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Re: NVDA 2018.4 Beta 2: Improved Responsiveness in Mozilla Thunderbird

Quentin Christensen
 

Thanks for your investigation!

Re upgrading Windows, if you still have 2018.3.2 and it is still snappier than the newer betas, then the update to Windows won't have changed anything.

If you go into your General settings (NVDA+CONTROL+G) and set the logging level to "debug", then OK.  Recreate the issue - ie navigate links on a web page, then send me a copy of the log, I can have a look.  You can find the log in the %temp% folder as %temp%\nvda.log

You can either copy the contents into the body of a message, or attach the file to an email.  If you attach the file, you will need to send it to me directly rather than back to the group here - info@....

Kind regards

Quentin.


On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 1:22 PM David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:

Quentin,

Your advice regarding the use of add-ons as a possible cause for slower responsiveness was worth pursuing as I do use several add-ons, including the Mozilla enhancements add-on which you mentioned. Per your advice I disabled every add-on which was running, restarted NVDA, and compared 2018.4 beta 2 with 2018.3.2, both of which had all add-ons disabled. There is still a slightly noticeable difference between 2018.4 Beta 2 and 2018.3.2. It is not as bad as it was in beta 1 but it is somewhat noticeable. Again, this is when I navigate through links in a message in Thunderbird by pressing K or shift-K. 2018.3.2 is incredibly snappy but beta 2 has a slightly noticeable lag. I am using Espeak. I did upgrade to Windows 10 build 1809; this shouldn't matter but I thought I'd mention it because it could well be important. What can I do or what logs can I send to you which might help you to figure out what I am hearing?

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com
On 11/26/2018 9:34 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi David,

I can't notice much difference - it seems pretty snappy in all three versions (2018.3.2, beta1 and beta2).  Are you using an add-on like the Mozilla app enhancements which might affect responsiveness?

If you might be, if you press NVDA+q, then down arrow to "restart with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER, you can check what it is like without any add-ons.  If that is much snappier, you could first check for updates to any addons you use - Joseph Lee particularly regularly releases updates to his add-ons which often improve performance.

Otherwise, if you could send me a copy of your log at input / output or debug level, I can see if I can find anything slowing you down.

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 2:39 PM David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:

Hi.

Last week I mentioned that NVDA 2018.4 beta 1 was exhibiting slower responsiveness with certain keypresses. This was noticed in Thunderbird but also in Google Chrome, two programs which I use daily. I'm happy to report that this situation has improved and the responsiveness is much better in beta 2. However, the 2018.3.2 production build still seems snappier regarding the time it takes me to press a key until I hear the output or results of that press. I most notice this when navigating by links using K or shift-K. I'm very pleased that things have improved with beta 2 but I do hope that the final 2018.4 release will behave identically to 2018.3.2. Could someone from NV Access comment on this? Were changes made to NVDA which could, potentially, increase latency with key presses?


--
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com


--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: BETA2 DOESN'T READ TABLES IN PDF DOCUMENTS

Quentin Christensen
 

I just tried with a file in Adobe Reader 2019.008.20081 and I can read and navigate the table in this PDF file ok.

It is quite likely the way that the PDF file was made, which you'll likely only know if you were the one who created it.

If you can email it to me, I can have a look, but short of recreating the PDF from the original source, there's probably not a lot to do with an existing file.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 12:19 PM Alexandre Alves Toco <alexandretoco@...> wrote:

Hi, opened a pdf that has a table in adobe reader.

Same problem as 2018.3.2. Nvda doesn’t recognize the table.

 

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Another problem.

 

Just hit control w to close the page, your settings will automatically save and change as you make them.

On 11/30/2018 1:42 PM, MAX wrote:
OK. I followed the instructions and changed the settings about 2 hours ago. Now I am sitting here with chrome open on the settings page. How do I save my changes and close the page. I can’t find a thing. Please help..



73 (Regards).


Max K 4 O D S.


I've Never Lost the Wonder.


Antique Electronics Site: <http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/> http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 6:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another problem.


A very good scanner that specifically targets adware, potentially unwanted programs (PUPs), browser toolbars, and browser hijacks is:
AdwCleaner


Re: Longstanding issue with NVDA reading lines that end with numbers

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Sile,

If it is known, it's not one I've noticed before.  I just copied your text into Notepad, and looking back at my NVDA log, as I down arrowed through the text, for each line, it took between 17 and 19ms between recording the keypress in the log, and recording that it was reading the line aloud.  When I read with NVDA+down arrow, it read the whole text and I didn't detect a pause before that particular line either.

If you could set your NVDA log to debug, reproduce the issue and send me a copy of the log, I'd be happy to look into it for you.

Otherwise, I can only think of the usual troubleshooting suggestions:
- Try disabling add-ons (and if that helps, ensure you have the latest versions for all your add-ons, and try enabling them one at a time to see where the slowdown is coming from)
- Try a different synthesizer
- Do you have any speech dictionary entries or pronunciation entries which might affect numbers?

Does it only happen when the number is specifically at the end of the line?  EG does:

Order number 4977509 has been sent

exhibit the behaviour as well, or only

Order number 4977509

Regards

Quentin.


On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 12:10 PM Tyler Spivey <tspivey@...> wrote:
No. What synth are you using?
On 11/29/2018 5:02 PM, Sile via Groups.Io wrote:
> Hello
>
>
> I have noticed for a long time that NVDA takes a long time to read lines
> that start with words but end with numbers, e.g.:
>
>
> Order number 4977509
>
> Is this a known issue?  It is particularly noticeable in plain text files.
>
>
> --Sile
>
>
>
>






--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA 2018.4 Beta 2: Improved Responsiveness in Mozilla Thunderbird

David Goldfield
 

Quentin,

Your advice regarding the use of add-ons as a possible cause for slower responsiveness was worth pursuing as I do use several add-ons, including the Mozilla enhancements add-on which you mentioned. Per your advice I disabled every add-on which was running, restarted NVDA, and compared 2018.4 beta 2 with 2018.3.2, both of which had all add-ons disabled. There is still a slightly noticeable difference between 2018.4 Beta 2 and 2018.3.2. It is not as bad as it was in beta 1 but it is somewhat noticeable. Again, this is when I navigate through links in a message in Thunderbird by pressing K or shift-K. 2018.3.2 is incredibly snappy but beta 2 has a slightly noticeable lag. I am using Espeak. I did upgrade to Windows 10 build 1809; this shouldn't matter but I thought I'd mention it because it could well be important. What can I do or what logs can I send to you which might help you to figure out what I am hearing?

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com
On 11/26/2018 9:34 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi David,

I can't notice much difference - it seems pretty snappy in all three versions (2018.3.2, beta1 and beta2).  Are you using an add-on like the Mozilla app enhancements which might affect responsiveness?

If you might be, if you press NVDA+q, then down arrow to "restart with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER, you can check what it is like without any add-ons.  If that is much snappier, you could first check for updates to any addons you use - Joseph Lee particularly regularly releases updates to his add-ons which often improve performance.

Otherwise, if you could send me a copy of your log at input / output or debug level, I can see if I can find anything slowing you down.

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 2:39 PM David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:

Hi.

Last week I mentioned that NVDA 2018.4 beta 1 was exhibiting slower responsiveness with certain keypresses. This was noticed in Thunderbird but also in Google Chrome, two programs which I use daily. I'm happy to report that this situation has improved and the responsiveness is much better in beta 2. However, the 2018.3.2 production build still seems snappier regarding the time it takes me to press a key until I hear the output or results of that press. I most notice this when navigating by links using K or shift-K. I'm very pleased that things have improved with beta 2 but I do hope that the final 2018.4 release will behave identically to 2018.3.2. Could someone from NV Access comment on this? Were changes made to NVDA which could, potentially, increase latency with key presses?


--
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com


--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA and Word 2016

Quentin Christensen
 

There are a few other places in Word which use object descriptions - items in the ribbon for instance.


On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 10:19 AM Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
I confirm that if you uncheck report object descriptions in the NVDA
settings the double announcing of menu items stops.  Not sure what
unchecking this setting causes overall in other situations.

On 11/29/2018 4:34 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
> This is a known issue though I'm not sure whether anyone has tried to
> tackle it lately: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8390
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 5:22 AM Don H <lmddh50@...
> <mailto:lmddh50@...>> wrote:
>
>     Running NVDA 2018-4 beta 2 on a win 10 computer and using Word 2016.
>     I am finding the use of the ribbon menues very workable.  However one
>     little annoying issue I am having is the repeat of entries in the menu.
>     For example if I go to the file menu and arrow down the entries it will
>     say everything twice.  It will say open open or save save etc.  Is
>     there
>     some setting to fix this issue?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>






--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: In-Process for November 28

David Goldfield
 

I use the Lire app for iOS. I believe if you search for nvaccess.org it will automatically find the In Process blog feed.


David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com
On 11/28/2018 4:23 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Gerardo,

Depending on how you subscribe to your RSS feeds, your browser might find the feed automatically at: https://www.nvaccess.org/category/in-process/

If you need the address manually for your RSS program, it is: https://www.nvaccess.org/category/in-process/feed/

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 1:29 AM Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...> wrote:

MIght you have this publication on a blog, so as to subscribe to it via my RSS Reader? Thanks for info.

 

                                                                                              Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: Quentin Christensen
Enviado: miércoles, 28 de noviembre de 2018 12:32 a. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: [nvda] In-Process for November 28

 

Hi everyone,

 

In-Process is now available.  Featuring information on NVDA 2018.4, the beta process, and our visit to Jakarta.  Available here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-28th-november-2018/

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: I can't select radio buttons on a webpage using NVDA

Dan Beaver
 

Gene,


I am running Chrome as my browser. 


Yes, I am talking about those items at the top.  If you click on those they open to additional lists of items that can be clicked on.  Most of them are no longer are identified by NVDA as links.


Dan

On 11/29/2018 8:23 PM, Gene wrote:
I can't run recent versions of NVDA so I can't compare how the page works when I look at it to your experience.  It may help, however if you tell us what browser you are using and give an example of something that used to be a link.  I want to make sure you aren't talking about the three or four clickable items at the top of the page for changing part of the page for the subject you are interested in.
 
Gene. 
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't select radio buttons on a webpage using NVDA

I have a very similar problem on the site:


lds.org


There are 2 lists of items at the top of the page.  NVDA doesn't even announce them as links or buttons as it used to do.  I suspect this is due to some changes to the site but it seems it should still work since other links on the same page work just fine.


This has started over the past few releases of NVDA and has been getting worse.  I just noticed how bad it has gotten today.


Any improvements in this would be very greatly appreciated.


Dan Beaver

On 11/29/2018 6:29 PM, Sile via Groups.Io wrote:
Hello


Just wondering if anyone has run into this problem with NVDA.  I am trying to select radio buttons that are within a table (basically ranking students on a scale from 1-5 on several criteria, with each criterion being one row of radio buttons.)


It doesn't matter whether I use firefox or chrome, the radio buttons don't seem to change state whether I hit spacebar or return, or whether I am in edit mode or not.


Anyone got any ideas?


--Sile





-- 
Dan Beaver (KC4DOY)
-- 
Dan Beaver (KC4DOY)


Re: I can't select radio buttons on a webpage using NVDA

Gene
 

I can't run recent versions of NVDA so I can't compare how the page works when I look at it to your experience.  It may help, however if you tell us what browser you are using and give an example of something that used to be a link.  I want to make sure you aren't talking about the three or four clickable items at the top of the page for changing part of the page for the subject you are interested in.
 
Gene. 

----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't select radio buttons on a webpage using NVDA

I have a very similar problem on the site:


lds.org


There are 2 lists of items at the top of the page.  NVDA doesn't even announce them as links or buttons as it used to do.  I suspect this is due to some changes to the site but it seems it should still work since other links on the same page work just fine.


This has started over the past few releases of NVDA and has been getting worse.  I just noticed how bad it has gotten today.


Any improvements in this would be very greatly appreciated.


Dan Beaver

On 11/29/2018 6:29 PM, Sile via Groups.Io wrote:
Hello


Just wondering if anyone has run into this problem with NVDA.  I am trying to select radio buttons that are within a table (basically ranking students on a scale from 1-5 on several criteria, with each criterion being one row of radio buttons.)


It doesn't matter whether I use firefox or chrome, the radio buttons don't seem to change state whether I hit spacebar or return, or whether I am in edit mode or not.


Anyone got any ideas?


--Sile





-- 
Dan Beaver (KC4DOY)


BETA2 DOESN'T READ TABLES IN PDF DOCUMENTS

Alexandre Alves Toco
 

Hi, opened a pdf that has a table in adobe reader.

Same problem as 2018.3.2. Nvda doesn’t recognize the table.

 

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 


Re: Longstanding issue with NVDA reading lines that end with numbers

Tyler Spivey
 

No. What synth are you using?

On 11/29/2018 5:02 PM, Sile via Groups.Io wrote:
Hello


I have noticed for a long time that NVDA takes a long time to read lines
that start with words but end with numbers, e.g.:


Order number 4977509

Is this a known issue?  It is particularly noticeable in plain text files.


--Sile




Re: Another problem.

MAX <max@...>
 

Thank you.


73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 6:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another problem.


Well they are changed automatically, you can just use alt f4 and close out of chrome and when you go in your changes will be there.


On 11/30/2018 10:35 AM, MAX wrote:
Thank you for the help. I changed a number of things. Now how do I close that page and make sure my changes have been saved?





73 (Regards).



Max K 4 O D S.



I've Never Lost the Wonder.



Antique Electronics Site: <http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/> http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Desert Moon
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 12:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another problem.



Hello Maxx and Else,

A basic question missing in the conversation so far is: Has the built-in pop-up blockin function in Google Chrome being turned off?

1. Click the Customize and control Google Chrome menu (the three horizontal bars in the upper right corner)
2. Select Settings.
3. At the bottom, click "Advanced Settings"... .
4. Under Privacy, click "Content Settings".
5. Make sure the box "Pop-ups and Redirects Blocked" is checked.




Re: NVDA and MS office

Don H
 

Microsoft Home and student does not Outlook but for me Thunderbird works well for my Email client and I don't need the calendar and other features in Outlook. I am mostly interested in Word.

On 11/29/2018 6:53 PM, Kevin wrote:
But home and student does not have Outlook!
E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
*From: *Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...>
*Sent: *Thursday, November 29, 2018 6:53 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] NVDA and MS office
For those wanting to upgrade their Microsoft office I was able to get
office home and student 2016 for $60.


Longstanding issue with NVDA reading lines that end with numbers

Sile
 

Hello


I have noticed for a long time that NVDA takes a long time to read lines that start with words but end with numbers, e.g.:


Order number 4977509

Is this a known issue?  It is particularly noticeable in plain text files.


--Sile


Re: ccleaner servey

Kevin <kleeva5@...>
 

What’s ini mean and is it different than the standard?

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 11:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner servey

 

This is the ini file I have used so far.

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kbbbqs8blbyuev9/ccleaner.ini?dl=1

 

Every few days or so maybe every day or 2 you will have to copy this

file back to ccleaner because its going to reset a few things sadly but

oh well.

 

 

 

 

On 11/30/2018 7:33 AM, Tyler Wood wrote:

> Hi,

> What settings are recommended for the .ini file?

> thanks

> On 2018-11-29 12:25 p.m., Shaun Everiss wrote:

>> Hi all.

>> 

>> For those that subscribe via email to cleaner news they have a servey

>> with the latest version update and I strongly recomend you take it.

>> 

>> I have completed it with the issues of. 1.  accessibility to all

>> features, quickclean, and interface issues.

>> 

>> and 2.  the fact that some settings can not be got to and that some

>> settings if changed are not honored at all and reverted like

>> quickclean stuff.

>> 

>> Why they choose to do this now is beyond me but they are doing it so.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 


Re: I can't select radio buttons on a webpage using NVDA

Dan Beaver
 

I have a very similar problem on the site:


lds.org


There are 2 lists of items at the top of the page.  NVDA doesn't even announce them as links or buttons as it used to do.  I suspect this is due to some changes to the site but it seems it should still work since other links on the same page work just fine.


This has started over the past few releases of NVDA and has been getting worse.  I just noticed how bad it has gotten today.


Any improvements in this would be very greatly appreciated.


Dan Beaver

On 11/29/2018 6:29 PM, Sile via Groups.Io wrote:
Hello


Just wondering if anyone has run into this problem with NVDA.  I am trying to select radio buttons that are within a table (basically ranking students on a scale from 1-5 on several criteria, with each criterion being one row of radio buttons.)


It doesn't matter whether I use firefox or chrome, the radio buttons don't seem to change state whether I hit spacebar or return, or whether I am in edit mode or not.


Anyone got any ideas?


--Sile





-- 
Dan Beaver (KC4DOY)


Re: NVDA and MS office

Kevin <kleeva5@...>
 

But home and student does not have Outlook!

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Don H
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 6:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and MS office

 

For those wanting to upgrade their Microsoft office I was able to get

office home and student 2016 for $60.

 

 

 

 


Re: Another problem.

Tyler Spivey
 

If there's no save button, then it saves automatically. That's a trend
these days.

On 11/29/2018 4:42 PM, MAX wrote:
OK.  I followed the instructions and changed the settings about 2 hours
ago.  Now I am sitting here with chrome open on the settings page.  How
do I save my changes and close the page.  I can’t find a thing.  Please
help..

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2018 6:08 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Another problem.

 

A very good scanner that specifically targets adware, potentially
unwanted programs (PUPs), browser toolbars, and browser hijacks is:  
AdwCleaner

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

/*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep.*/

          ~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/

 

 


Re: Another problem.

MAX <max@...>
 

OK.  I followed the instructions and changed the settings about 2 hours ago.  Now I am sitting here with chrome open on the settings page.  How do I save my changes and close the page.  I can’t find a thing.  Please help..

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 6:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another problem.

 

A very good scanner that specifically targets adware, potentially unwanted programs (PUPs), browser toolbars, and browser hijacks is:  
AdwCleaner

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: A query I meant to post earlier about windows messages

 

Please don't be scared about icons.

I have a client I service regularly, that said he had a lot of spyware and things on the net told him to download all these programs and buy into all sorts of things which he did, but had a lot more issues and still the same messages.

After clearing his system I got down to all the messages they were his notifications crying out ofr attention, if this is from action centre, opening action centre should list you the notification, where it came from, etc if it needs work it will tell all.

On 11/30/2018 10:42 AM, MAX wrote:
It's a message from the action center.



73 (Regards).


Max K 4 O D S.


I've Never Lost the Wonder.


Antique Electronics Site:
<http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/>
http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A query I meant to post earlier about windows messages


What sort of message and where? An e-mail message? What does it tell you
to do? Without more information this sounds like classic phishing.
Microsoft isn't going to monitor how many millions of e-mail programs and
let users know if something is incorrectly set.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Lino Morales <mailto:linomorales001@...>

Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 2:58 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] A query I meant to post earlier about windows messages


Well Maxy do as it says. Maybe a setting got messed up somewhere. I get
this sometimes and I do fix it. I'm assuming you are using the Mail app?


Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10


_____

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > on behalf of MAX
<max@... <mailto:max@...> >
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 3:51:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] A query I meant to post earlier about windows messages


Along that line I am getting a message every few days telling me that
Microsoft needs to fix my email. My email is working fine. I guess they
never heard the expression, if it aint broke don't fix it. What am I
saying? Microsoft is well known for fixing things that aint broke.


73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 11:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] A query I meant to post earlier about windows messages

hitting enter on that can help to open it however I don't always trust
windowsaction/ notiffication centre.

For example, during a clock sync the power dropped off and the router died.

I got it back every thing was out of sync, windows was alegal, everything
wouldn't open and everything was screaming at me.

It was waterfox that alerted me to the fact everything was backwards and
pointed me at my clock, which I changed.

Then everything worked.

But the messages stayed, and I had to tell action centre to ignore them
till they died.

On a similar note, notifications can report a problem, but in a criptic way
and after I have found and solved it.

I was upgrading one of my security/ backup programs.

And immediately I got a notification that I was unsafe, recomending a full
reset and reformat.

I was aware the thing was broken, and continued updating.

After this, I had to clear things.

I have had it say for example that I am using pirated windows, and my
accounts are not signing in and that a whole host of things are screwed and
that I should reset or something.

Yet when I have logged into where I need to go to check, not only are they
not showing no problems but checking on the server side shows that they
never existed.

Or existed for such a little time it didn't matter.

The only time that its ever really worked was when I was updating a
business server for my uncle and the system kept crashing, at that time,
windows put up the usual video card issue with the drivers crashing out.

A small note put that it was a bug with the driver, and to open a website
for instructions, where I found the manufacturer had added to the action
note that I needed a new driver and got a direct link to it.

But that was before things got weird.

Now, I do glance at notifications centre just like I would glance at the
paper, but 99.9% of the time I just clear them, in most cases its fixed,
not a problem or if it is, I can handle it without any issue.


On 11/29/2018 10:56 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
In Windows 7, sometimes in the tray icons is one saying you have one
message, basically some kind of problem report. I seldom seem to
notice it till then, so one might be forgiven for thinking that
invoking the context menu and selecting the open for the centre might
just give a clue to what it is.
However normally this opens a screen with things like troubleshooting,
security, maintenance etc, and seems to have no obvious way to simply
view that message.
Am I missing something obvious?
So if there is a quick way to just get to that message wherever it is
and read it it would be great. It normally tends to be something like
Backup issues or some odd crash of explorer or some such, but one can
never find the actual text until you accidentally resolve it by
guesswork and then you can see it in the old archive. Its a bit
pointless then!

Brian

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