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Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
 

Mary you get my point that certain people on this list seem to miss.  If nvda ever does make an add on to fix this problem and you don't want to use then don't use it but don't say that we should just have one way to deal with edit boxes as the answer to the problem for you there is no problem but some it is.  There are lots of add ons that I will never use but I don't say that we don't an add on for that.  We all have our own preferences but why should we be locked in to only one way to do what we want to do? This is the problem with the blind community theyare all to content to just axcept the way thing are because it's the way it has always been.  This is the reason that we don't see more accessability people will not advocate for change and they think that we should all do the same.  I do hope that the developers of nvda can find a fix for this problem or develope an add on to fix the problem.  Would you really be on a job and take to much time to complete a task just because you can't do it in the most efficient way?  You would not last very long on that job and if we want imployers to conciter allowing us to use nvda on a job then we do need to get this problem fixt.  If you have nothing but time on your hands then you might not care how much time it takes to fill out a form but not everyone has that option.  I think that people should conciter the needs of all nvda users instead of being so selfish If a fix can be found it will not just benifit me but every nvda user who may find it preferable.  If an add on ever does becomes available I will getright then and it would be the greatest add on that has ever been made available.  One way ofperforming a task is not the best for everyone but some of you just can't comprehend that.  If it's good enough for me then it should be good enough for you but thats just not true.  Thats a very narrow minded way of thinking.  It seems that alot of blind people just don't want to advocate for anything well not me I am not afraid to do so or speak my mind when I feel that somthing needs to  be changed and I don't care how many people disagree with me I have the right to express myself and I will never stop doing so.  I will always keep on advocating for anything that I feel should be changed and if you disagree with me thats fine it's your right to do so.  I don't agree with alot of what people say on here or on any other lists that I am on.  I am glad that there are people on this list who do agree with me I say thank you and I do greatly appreciate this.  Those of you who don't agree might learn somthing that the world does not and should not revolve arround what only want or don'twant.  You just might see how benifit there might beby doing somthing that you might not agree with or feel that there is a need for.  The needs of all users are just as important as yours are so don't limit yourself to the way you like somthing and nothing else.  Do all sight people always do everything in the same way well no and neither should the blind. I am not trying to forceanyone to change the way they do somthing just be more opend to new ideas that you may not agree with.  One way does not work best for everyone.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/31/2018 3:11 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
What’s so great about the tab key is that it is the most efficient way of filling out a form, after you have looked at it to make sure you’ve seen everything that’s there. A lot fewer keystrokes. The longer the form, the more efficient the What’s so great about the tab key is that it is the most efficient way of filling out a form, after you have looked at it to make sure you’ve seen everything that’s there. A lot fewer keystrokes. The longer the form, the more efficient the tab key. It’s a pain to have to go in and out of forms mode for every single field. Sure, you can use it. But it’s not the most efficient way, and if sighted people had to do something that was much less efficient, website would be hearing about it and changes would be made. I agree that we have had to do work around for years and will undoubtedly have to continue to do so. And it’s interesting why should it work for Jaws and not for nvDA? That is something that somebody on the NVDA side of things should be looking into. This could be a symptom of a more general problem. Lord knows, I have been seeing plenty of sites where tabbing through a form does not work well with NVDA.
Mary
On Aug 31, 2018, at 12:07 PM, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:

What's so great about using the tab key anyway? Sure, it's convenient sometimes, but it's hardly the best way of navigating a site, and even on a form, you can miss valuable information if you don't inspect things more carefully.

When people say something is inaccessible, I'm always skeptical nowadays. They might be onto something, but it's entirely possible what they really mean is that they don't like it. I personally hate it when the only option in a programme is to tab tab tab around everywhere to find buttons to press. Give me good quick keystrokes to input, or at least menus! But hey, not having those doesn't mean the programme is inaccessible, it's just inconvenient.

And I don't think this site is terribly inconvenient for NVDA users. I'd be interested to hear why NVDA doesn't behave the same as JAWS does, but at the end of the day, it doesn't have to.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: August 31, 2018 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

I agree, and I'm amazed at some of the people here who have been prepared to scathingly condemn the site and its owners without even checking to see whether their assertion that "it's completely inaccessible" is in fact correct.

It could be better, agreed (but then again, what couldn't), but that's a far cry from "totally unusable, and they don't deserve business".

Antony.

On Friday 31 August 2018 at 20:40:55, JM Casey wrote:

Seriously. What a lot of fuss over not much this all is.
--
90% of networking problems are routing problems.
9 of the remaining 10% are routing problems in the other direction.
The remaining 1% might be something else, but check the routing anyway.

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Re: who knows this?

Gene
 

The link is:
I tried the site with Firefox and it didn't read the fiels correctly with NVDA.  It does with JAWS.  It is now, in my opinion a question for NVDA developers to look at.  is this an NVDA problem or a site problem?  Does this affect enough sites to be worked on or is the number so very small that the correction, if there is one, isn't justified?
 
Also, this form illustrates the reason people should be taught to down arrow rather than tab through forms in general.  Consider the following:
Password (must be at least 6 characters and contain at least 1 number):
 
Password is the field and JAWS sees that text.  But the information about must be six characters, etc. is not read.  That is important information and a lot of people won't sign up successfully without seeing it.  They won't include a number or it will be too short. 
 
There are a lot of sites that have information that may be important between fields that is not read when tabbing.  Again, another example of poor Internet instruction.  There are forms where I know, as an experienced user, that I don't have to worry about missing possible information between the fields.  But what about all the inexperienced users?  What about people who fill out a form, don't know the importance of down arrowing, not tabbing through a form, and don't understand why the form is not being accepted?  Had they down arrowed and seen information about the syntax to use in a field, they'd know. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] who knows this?

Hi, I had little luck with Jaws either on that web site. i still could not
read what the fields were withoug messing about with different modes etc.
Not sure what is going on and to be honest if its that hard to use it, then
goodbye.
 I do worry though that we may be looking at different forms. If somebody
wishes to actually post a direct link to the sign up page, I'm happy to try
it directly.
 Brian

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>I would say no then, and see if you can find out
>
> What happen with nvda b when the message pops up, Unfortunately some
> programs tend to put text in as a graphic, so then you have a problem.
> I assume you used screen navigation to get out of the yes no buttons and
> see if there is any text there?
> Brian
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> From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
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> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 10:12 AM
> Subject: [nvda] who knows this?
>
>
>> hello friends from nvda,
>> I have a fairly simple question, sometimes there is a choice in windows
>> because of an update for example.
>> I can now choose yes, install or no, do not install.
>> I just can not manage to read the question that I have to say yes or no
>> to.
>> not even with the numeric keypad.
>> not even with nvda-key plus 7
>> who knows what to do?
>> thanks in advance!
>> paul otter
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: Issues and tissues

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi there,
I suspect my Windows 7 settings would have been retained during the Windows 10 upgrade process. I have just checked that though just to make sure, and it is indeed still set to do nothing.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 31/08/2018 08:03 PM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:
One thing you could check with the sound ducking is to go into control panel then open sound and go to the communication tab and set the automatic volume control to do nothing
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The audio fade in is known about by Microsoft. its a realtech driver issue.
they should have fixed this by now. Apparently the hardware is turned off
after each use, what a silly thing to do. the only answer is to continuously
play a silent sound at the moment.
And you wonder why I am not on 10 on my main machine?
Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Damien Garwood" <damien@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 3:58 PM
Subject: [nvda] Issues and tissues

> Hi there,

> After a lot of umming and ahhing, I am once again climbing the dreaded

> mountain of Windows 10.

> I have a lot of first impressions that make me want to throw the stupid

> thing out the window (no pun intended), instead I'm resorting to crying

> with frustration.

> There are three things specific to using Windows 10 with NVDA that I
can't

> quite figure out.

> 1. Window focus issues: Alt tabbing through windows (Winamp
especially, I

> find I have to alt+tab to it twice for it to recognise that Winamp is

> focused), new dialogs opening (can't access confirmation messages on
file

> operations, again, alt+tab will announce the application's main window

> rather than any dialog that might be opened, manually opening or
closing a

> dialog, such as obtaining information from GoldWave's set marker dialog,

> again I'm having to close and reopen that to get it to do anything

> useful).

> 2. Audio issues: Slight fade-in before any sound plays from my audio

> device. This never happened in Windows 7 and it can be rather

> disconcerting when speech starts a word and you mishear it ("A"
instead of

> "The", "I" instead of "My" etc), and audio sometimes being ducked
despite

> audio ducking being turned off in NVDA. At first I thought it was some

> kind of power saving issue, but after setting my power settings to
highest

> possible it still hasn't stopped, and there is nothing to do with
audio in

> there in the first place.

> 3. Keyboard? issues: Press alt+f4 to close something, and you see
yourself

> arrowing through a menu bar (I'm guessing because the new application
has

> registered the alt press).

> Has anyone found a way around these, or is it just me that's having
these

> issues?

> There are a lot of other things about using Windows 10 generally that
I've

> managed to either avoid or completely disable that I think may help
other

> people, and a few things that I could do with knowing myself, so if
anyone

> knows of a Windows 10 for the blind or similar list, then I might
post my

> full impressions and experiences there as well.

> Cheers.

> Damien.

>

>

>

>


Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Mary Otten
 

What’s so great about the tab key is that it is the most efficient way of filling out a form, after you have looked at it to make sure you’ve seen everything that’s there. A lot fewer keystrokes. The longer the form, the more efficient the What’s so great about the tab key is that it is the most efficient way of filling out a form, after you have looked at it to make sure you’ve seen everything that’s there. A lot fewer keystrokes. The longer the form, the more efficient the tab key. It’s a pain to have to go in and out of forms mode for every single field. Sure, you can use it. But it’s not the most efficient way, and if sighted people had to do something that was much less efficient, website would be hearing about it and changes would be made. I agree that we have had to do work around for years and will undoubtedly have to continue to do so. And it’s interesting why should it work for Jaws and not for nvDA? That is something that somebody on the NVDA side of things should be looking into. This could be a symptom of a more general problem. Lord knows, I have been seeing plenty of sites where tabbing through a form does not work well with NVDA.
Mary

On Aug 31, 2018, at 12:07 PM, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:

What's so great about using the tab key anyway? Sure, it's convenient sometimes, but it's hardly the best way of navigating a site, and even on a form, you can miss valuable information if you don't inspect things more carefully.

When people say something is inaccessible, I'm always skeptical nowadays. They might be onto something, but it's entirely possible what they really mean is that they don't like it. I personally hate it when the only option in a programme is to tab tab tab around everywhere to find buttons to press. Give me good quick keystrokes to input, or at least menus! But hey, not having those doesn't mean the programme is inaccessible, it's just inconvenient.

And I don't think this site is terribly inconvenient for NVDA users. I'd be interested to hear why NVDA doesn't behave the same as JAWS does, but at the end of the day, it doesn't have to.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: August 31, 2018 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

I agree, and I'm amazed at some of the people here who have been prepared to scathingly condemn the site and its owners without even checking to see whether their assertion that "it's completely inaccessible" is in fact correct.

It could be better, agreed (but then again, what couldn't), but that's a far cry from "totally unusable, and they don't deserve business".

Antony.

On Friday 31 August 2018 at 20:40:55, JM Casey wrote:

Seriously. What a lot of fuss over not much this all is.
--
90% of networking problems are routing problems.
9 of the remaining 10% are routing problems in the other direction.
The remaining 1% might be something else, but check the routing anyway.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.






Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

What's so great about using the tab key anyway? Sure, it's convenient sometimes, but it's hardly the best way of navigating a site, and even on a form, you can miss valuable information if you don't inspect things more carefully.

When people say something is inaccessible, I'm always skeptical nowadays. They might be onto something, but it's entirely possible what they really mean is that they don't like it. I personally hate it when the only option in a programme is to tab tab tab around everywhere to find buttons to press. Give me good quick keystrokes to input, or at least menus! But hey, not having those doesn't mean the programme is inaccessible, it's just inconvenient.

And I don't think this site is terribly inconvenient for NVDA users. I'd be interested to hear why NVDA doesn't behave the same as JAWS does, but at the end of the day, it doesn't have to.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: August 31, 2018 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

I agree, and I'm amazed at some of the people here who have been prepared to scathingly condemn the site and its owners without even checking to see whether their assertion that "it's completely inaccessible" is in fact correct.

It could be better, agreed (but then again, what couldn't), but that's a far cry from "totally unusable, and they don't deserve business".

Antony.

On Friday 31 August 2018 at 20:40:55, JM Casey wrote:

Seriously. What a lot of fuss over not much this all is.
--
90% of networking problems are routing problems.
9 of the remaining 10% are routing problems in the other direction.
The remaining 1% might be something else, but check the routing anyway.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


Re: Issues and tissues

Chris
 

One thing you could check with the sound ducking is to go into control panel then open sound and go to the communication tab and set the automatic volume control to do nothing

 

 

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Sent: 31 August 2018 18:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues and tissues

 

The audio fade in is known about by Microsoft. its a realtech driver issue.

they should have fixed this by now. Apparently the hardware is turned off

after each use, what a silly thing to do. the only answer is to continuously

play a silent sound at the moment.

And you wonder why I am not on 10 on my main machine?

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Damien Garwood" <damien@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 3:58 PM

Subject: [nvda] Issues and tissues

 

 

> Hi there,

> After a lot of umming and ahhing, I am once again climbing the dreaded

> mountain of Windows 10.

> I have a lot of first impressions that make me want to throw the stupid

> thing out the window (no pun intended), instead I'm resorting to crying

> with frustration.

> There are three things specific to using Windows 10 with NVDA that I can't

> quite figure out.

> 1. Window focus issues: Alt tabbing through windows (Winamp especially, I

> find I have to alt+tab to it twice for it to recognise that Winamp is

> focused), new dialogs opening (can't access confirmation messages on file

> operations, again, alt+tab will announce the application's main window

> rather than any dialog that might be opened, manually opening or closing a

> dialog, such as obtaining information from GoldWave's set marker dialog,

> again I'm having to close and reopen that to get it to do anything

> useful).

> 2. Audio issues: Slight fade-in before any sound plays from my audio

> device. This never happened in Windows 7 and it can be rather

> disconcerting when speech starts a word and you mishear it ("A" instead of

> "The", "I" instead of "My" etc), and audio sometimes being ducked despite

> audio ducking being turned off in NVDA. At first I thought it was some

> kind of power saving issue, but after setting my power settings to highest

> possible it still hasn't stopped, and there is nothing to do with audio in

> there in the first place.

> 3. Keyboard? issues: Press alt+f4 to close something, and you see yourself

> arrowing through a menu bar (I'm guessing because the new application has

> registered the alt press).

> Has anyone found a way around these, or is it just me that's having these

> issues?

> There are a lot of other things about using Windows 10 generally that I've

> managed to either avoid or completely disable that I think may help other

> people, and a few things that I could do with knowing myself, so if anyone

> knows of a Windows 10 for the blind or similar list, then I might post my

> full impressions and experiences there as well.

> Cheers.

> Damien.

>

>

 

 

 

 


Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Sorry, but why do you say it's inaccessible? It might not work in quite the way you like or are used to, but it's quite accessible using the latest NVDA, Firefox ESR and Windows 10 1803. Sure, the fields aren't read aloud when you tab between them once the forms mode comes on, but all you have to do is hit insert-space. Or you could look at the form before you start entering data, so you know what you have to fill out using the arrow keys.

It is interesting that JAWS 18 reads the labels in the way you are used to while NVDA doesn't. It'd be worthwhile perhaps to find out why this is. But it's really a very minor inconvenience, no?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: August 30, 2018 9:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

I just tried the site with webbie and it's not accessible. These people should be ashamed of themselves--especially since they claim to be a site designed for use with screen readers.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 5:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

I just tried to go in to the site with webie and it just says edit when I tab from edit box to edit box.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 8:49 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Brian,

Do you have the webbie browser? Maybe you can try with that one. Since webbie is text-based, maybe you might have better luck with it.
Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
brian
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 5:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit box to edit box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest version of fire fox. When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when I tab from edit box to edit box is edit. I have restarted nvda with add ons disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been going on for years now and they have not fixt the problem. This problem occures in every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign up for email newsletters. you can't fill out any form if you don't know what information is required in each edit box this makes the site not accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of nvda and the latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.

Brian Sackrider








Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

ely.r@...
 

Jackie
Thank you for this. As has always been the case, if you have many tools in your toolbox and one does not work the way you hoped, try another one. That is why they are in your toolbox!
Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 2:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Seriously. What a lot of fuss over not much this all is.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: August 30, 2018 10:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

The problem is that the site is based on older technology. No--the tab key does not work particularly well on the site, as is the case w/many sites. But using arrow keys works very well. Using them, all form fields are labeled, etc, using latest stable NVDA, Firefox, & Chrome.

So those who are having problems--have you tried using arrow keys? You know, folks, it can cost a lot of money to keep websites up w/the latest technologies. & these evolve so rapidly that one can find oneself in a position of almost constantly having to pay for a revamp.
If the site truly were inaccessible, I'd have something to say--if for no other reason that the web is what I do--but this from my experience is not inaccessible nor has it ever been. Try up/down arrow keys, yall. I think you'll like the results.

On 8/30/18, brian <sackriderbrian45@...> wrote:
somone who can fill out the contact form can contact them as I
said I have always had this problem so that means for several versions
of nvda so maybe we need an add on to read edit boxes when you tab
from edit box to edit box so you can hear what you need to put in to
the edit boxes.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 10:06 PM, Gene wrote:
Please stop rushing to condemnation. You have no grounds to not
purchase from the site. You don't know if this is a problem just
with new versions of NVDA. I looked at the site a number of years
ago and I didn't use Chrome. It worked properly. Please get the
facts about these kinds of situations before rushing to judgment. If
this is an NVDA problem, it is not a Mice Mart problem. If it only
happends in current or very recent versions of NVDA, then something
has very likely changed in NVDA. Once we determine if the problem is
very likely an NVDA or a site problem, we don't know if the site has
been contacted and how they have responded. If it is there proboem,
do they know about it? You have no facts.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 8:17 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Hi, Brian,

This is a mystery to me too. I was planning to buy a cookbook that
has microwave recipes that you make in a mug but I don't think I'll
shop on that site. I wonder if they ever will fix that site.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *brian
*Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:10 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Gene this is a mystery why you don't have this problem and I have
always had this problem when you tab from edit box do you hear what
it say what you need to put in to the box? I don't.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:07 PM, Gene wrote:

I don't know why you have the problem. I looked at the site using
an older version of NVDA and of Chrome and had no problem. I also
looked at it years ago and saw no such problem.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

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*Sent:*Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:29 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit box to
edit
box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest version of
fire
fox. When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when I tab
from
edit box to edit box is edit. I have restarted nvda with add ons
disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been going on for
years now and they have not fixt the problem. This problem
occures in
every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign up for email
newsletters. you can't fill out any form if you don't know what
information is required in each edit box this makes the site not
accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of nvda and the
latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.

Brian Sackrider





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Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Antony Stone
 

I agree, and I'm amazed at some of the people here who have been prepared to
scathingly condemn the site and its owners without even checking to see
whether their assertion that "it's completely inaccessible" is in fact
correct.

It could be better, agreed (but then again, what couldn't), but that's a far
cry from "totally unusable, and they don't deserve business".

Antony.

On Friday 31 August 2018 at 20:40:55, JM Casey wrote:

Seriously. What a lot of fuss over not much this all is.
--
90% of networking problems are routing problems.
9 of the remaining 10% are routing problems in the other direction.
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Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Seriously. What a lot of fuss over not much this all is.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: August 30, 2018 10:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

The problem is that the site is based on older technology. No--the tab key does not work particularly well on the site, as is the case w/many sites. But using arrow keys works very well. Using them, all form fields are labeled, etc, using latest stable NVDA, Firefox, & Chrome.

So those who are having problems--have you tried using arrow keys? You know, folks, it can cost a lot of money to keep websites up w/the latest technologies. & these evolve so rapidly that one can find oneself in a position of almost constantly having to pay for a revamp.
If the site truly were inaccessible, I'd have something to say--if for no other reason that the web is what I do--but this from my experience is not inaccessible nor has it ever been. Try up/down arrow keys, yall. I think you'll like the results.

On 8/30/18, brian <sackriderbrian45@...> wrote:
somone who can fill out the contact form can contact them as I
said I have always had this problem so that means for several versions
of nvda so maybe we need an add on to read edit boxes when you tab
from edit box to edit box so you can hear what you need to put in to
the edit boxes.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 10:06 PM, Gene wrote:
Please stop rushing to condemnation. You have no grounds to not
purchase from the site. You don't know if this is a problem just
with new versions of NVDA. I looked at the site a number of years
ago and I didn't use Chrome. It worked properly. Please get the
facts about these kinds of situations before rushing to judgment. If
this is an NVDA problem, it is not a Mice Mart problem. If it only
happends in current or very recent versions of NVDA, then something
has very likely changed in NVDA. Once we determine if the problem is
very likely an NVDA or a site problem, we don't know if the site has
been contacted and how they have responded. If it is there proboem,
do they know about it? You have no facts.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 8:17 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Hi, Brian,

This is a mystery to me too. I was planning to buy a cookbook that
has microwave recipes that you make in a mug but I don't think I'll
shop on that site. I wonder if they ever will fix that site.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *brian
*Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:10 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Gene this is a mystery why you don't have this problem and I have
always had this problem when you tab from edit box do you hear what
it say what you need to put in to the box? I don't.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:07 PM, Gene wrote:

I don't know why you have the problem. I looked at the site using
an older version of NVDA and of Chrome and had no problem. I also
looked at it years ago and saw no such problem.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

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*Sent:*Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:29 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit box to
edit
box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest version of
fire
fox. When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when I tab
from
edit box to edit box is edit. I have restarted nvda with add ons
disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been going on for
years now and they have not fixt the problem. This problem
occures in
every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign up for email
newsletters. you can't fill out any form if you don't know what
information is required in each edit box this makes the site not
accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of nvda and the
latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.

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Re: who knows this?

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Hi, I had little luck with Jaws either on that web site. i still could not read what the fields were withoug messing about with different modes etc. Not sure what is going on and to be honest if its that hard to use it, then goodbye.
I do worry though that we may be looking at different forms. If somebody wishes to actually post a direct link to the sign up page, I'm happy to try it directly.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] who knows this?


I would say no then, and see if you can find out

What happen with nvda b when the message pops up, Unfortunately some programs tend to put text in as a graphic, so then you have a problem.
I assume you used screen navigation to get out of the yes no buttons and see if there is any text there?
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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 10:12 AM
Subject: [nvda] who knows this?


hello friends from nvda,
I have a fairly simple question, sometimes there is a choice in windows because of an update for example.
I can now choose yes, install or no, do not install.
I just can not manage to read the question that I have to say yes or no to.
not even with the numeric keypad.
not even with nvda-key plus 7
who knows what to do?
thanks in advance!
paul otter




Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Gene
 

I'm not sure I understand the problem and I don't know if this is a problem specific to your computer or not.  I don't think anyone has reported this on the site other than you and I don't recall seeing this problem in general.  I can't say never, because who knows what sites I've seen with unusual scripting but I don't recall seeing this discussed before.  At this point, we can't assume, without more discussion, that this is a general problem. 
 
Also, if people don't know how to deal with forms where you have to arrow instead of tab, then they won't be able to work with a lot of forms.  I did an Internet tutorial years ago because so many blind people didn't, and probably still don't, know how to deal with sites that have various common problems but are completely useable, if not completely accessible, by the definition of accessibility.  Useability, even good useability does not necessitate perfect accessibility.  And perfect accessibility still doesn't mean the site will be convenient to use.  Read some New York Times articles.  The site is perfectly accessible.  But there are links to different articles in the middle of article text, interruptions asking for reader information on the issue being discussed if it is very contraversial, and blocks of links, sometimes five or more, in the middle of articles  Compared to that, this site is a model of convenience. 
 
Convenience of reading has significantly decreased over the years because more and more sites have gotten rid of printer version links to articles.  The problem with this site is minor compared to how things are changing on sites in general.
 
Should the owner correct the problem?  Yes.  He may be completely unaware of it if the site still works properly with JAWS.  But this is an example of where users have not been properly taught, either by trainers, or by training material.  It is very poor training not to teach people various methods to deal with such problems as this, which are common.  There are who knows how many millions of sites in the world.  You can't be a good Internet user unless you know how to deal with common problems. 
 
Maybe people who are angry about the small problem with this site should redirect their anger to the large problem of inferior, completely inadequate, training blind Internet users get in so many instances that makes use of sites with minor problems so difficult for them.  With the millions upon millions of sites around the world, this is a serious problem.  I don't know if there is an NVDA tutorial on Internet use but whether there is or not, if such training isn't given in the tutorial, serious consideration should be given to adding it. 
 
I did a comprehensive Internet tutorial years ago.  It took perhaps twenty or thirty hours of work.  I don't have the patience to do another, updated tutorial.  I would be willing to help if one is being prepared now or if one already exists.  I'd be willing to review it and make changes or suggest changes.  But let's keep this in perspective.  That this form has generated so much discussion is not the main issue.  the inadequate training blind people get is.
 
Gene

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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Yes but that was not happening. It seems to me like its jumping to the wrong
field or nvda thinks its in one while it is in another. The thing is, most
sites are fine so what is it about some that causes the jumping issue?
 Brian

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From: "hurrikennyandopo ..." <hurrikennyandopo@...>
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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda


> Hi
>
>
> I remember a while back jamie saying at times what is meant to be going
> with that field was not read correctly. In most cases it might of been
> if done correctly but alot of times it was not.
>
>
> I have no problem with going into a edit area if i tab into it then
> arrowing up to see what the field name is and if it corospondes with
> athat field.
>
>
>
> in other cases where it is done correctly it is automatically read out
> so then it goes back to the people who done say the form etc it is not
> done correctly by the guide lines.
>
>
> If all guide lines were done correctly there would not be some of these
> hacks.
>
>
> Just a simple example you ask a user of the shark how do you jump down
> to the notification area and they would give you a shortcut insert key +
> f11 if i remember.
>
>
> yet a windows command is Windows key + letter B the arrow to what you
> want.
>
>
> In a form i have used another screen reader and heard it say the wrong
> things for the areas that you tabbed into.. it is like it does not line
> up correctly and the only way is to arrow up to see what is correct.
>
>
> I did not see the link but i guess i would be able to fill it in no
> worries it would have to be pretty bad not to.
>
>
> Any how if it is goverment yes they can fix if you tell them if private
> they do not have to there as far as i know is no law.
>
>
> A good web developer would fix the problem if you told them or may even
> test to see if you told them you used a screen reader and which one and
> how to reproduce the problem.
>
>
> One who does not care will just leave it.
>
>
> Gene nz
>
>
> Gene nz
>
>
>
> On 8/31/2018 9:34 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>> There lots of sites like this. Some work in jaws but not nvda and some
>> the reverse. Does anyone know if there is an agreed convention to
>> where the text of the field identifier should be or whether a page
>> author can add some code to force screen readers to read it?
>> I've also come across the same issue on surveys where one does not
>> know if the checkbox or radio button is before or after the legend and
>> in others graphic tags are used with no alt tags.
>> Somebody needs to sort these issues out and come up with hard and fast
>> rules for everyone to use I think.
>> Brian
>>
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>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian" <sackriderbrian45@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 1:29 AM
>> Subject: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda
>>
>>
>>> When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit box to
>>> edit box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest version
>>> of fire fox. When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when I
>>> tab from edit box to edit box is edit. I have restarted nvda with add
>>> ons disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been going on
>>> for years now and they have not fixt the problem. This problem
>>> occures in every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign
>>> up for email newsletters. you can't fill out any form if you don't
>>> know what information is required in each edit box this makes the
>>> site not accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of nvda
>>> and the latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.
>>>
>>> Brian Sackrider
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: Issues and tissues

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Well I can see why Jaws has stuff like its translation of ribbons and all sorts of bolted on work arounds. I do really feel Microsoft have dropped the ball and are letting others carry it.
It would be interesting to know if the sound issues also affect narrator? If they do then I think somebody at Microsoft needs to de pass if that is a word the current realtech drivers. You should not have to plug in an external sound device to get the thing to work when it worked on 7.

I'm not sure about the focus issues, but they are bad enough to be really irritating in my view. I'm sure there are maybe some configuration choices that might make it better. Trouble is, the best person would be Jonathan Moser but he is really linked in with Freedom Scientific, and so many of the queries you ask really need somebody to have a long hard look at nvda with 10. If Microsoft would actually stop updating it so often, maybe some of us could, but while they are, I only dabble in it occasionally.
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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 3:58 PM
Subject: [nvda] Issues and tissues


Hi there,
After a lot of umming and ahhing, I am once again climbing the dreaded mountain of Windows 10.
I have a lot of first impressions that make me want to throw the stupid thing out the window (no pun intended), instead I'm resorting to crying with frustration.
There are three things specific to using Windows 10 with NVDA that I can't quite figure out.
1. Window focus issues: Alt tabbing through windows (Winamp especially, I find I have to alt+tab to it twice for it to recognise that Winamp is focused), new dialogs opening (can't access confirmation messages on file operations, again, alt+tab will announce the application's main window rather than any dialog that might be opened, manually opening or closing a dialog, such as obtaining information from GoldWave's set marker dialog, again I'm having to close and reopen that to get it to do anything useful).
2. Audio issues: Slight fade-in before any sound plays from my audio device. This never happened in Windows 7 and it can be rather disconcerting when speech starts a word and you mishear it ("A" instead of "The", "I" instead of "My" etc), and audio sometimes being ducked despite audio ducking being turned off in NVDA. At first I thought it was some kind of power saving issue, but after setting my power settings to highest possible it still hasn't stopped, and there is nothing to do with audio in there in the first place.
3. Keyboard? issues: Press alt+f4 to close something, and you see yourself arrowing through a menu bar (I'm guessing because the new application has registered the alt press).
Has anyone found a way around these, or is it just me that's having these issues?
There are a lot of other things about using Windows 10 generally that I've managed to either avoid or completely disable that I think may help other people, and a few things that I could do with knowing myself, so if anyone knows of a Windows 10 for the blind or similar list, then I might post my full impressions and experiences there as well.
Cheers.
Damien.



Re: Issues and tissues

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The audio fade in is known about by Microsoft. its a realtech driver issue. they should have fixed this by now. Apparently the hardware is turned off after each use, what a silly thing to do. the only answer is to continuously play a silent sound at the moment.
And you wonder why I am not on 10 on my main machine?
Brian

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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 3:58 PM
Subject: [nvda] Issues and tissues


Hi there,
After a lot of umming and ahhing, I am once again climbing the dreaded mountain of Windows 10.
I have a lot of first impressions that make me want to throw the stupid thing out the window (no pun intended), instead I'm resorting to crying with frustration.
There are three things specific to using Windows 10 with NVDA that I can't quite figure out.
1. Window focus issues: Alt tabbing through windows (Winamp especially, I find I have to alt+tab to it twice for it to recognise that Winamp is focused), new dialogs opening (can't access confirmation messages on file operations, again, alt+tab will announce the application's main window rather than any dialog that might be opened, manually opening or closing a dialog, such as obtaining information from GoldWave's set marker dialog, again I'm having to close and reopen that to get it to do anything useful).
2. Audio issues: Slight fade-in before any sound plays from my audio device. This never happened in Windows 7 and it can be rather disconcerting when speech starts a word and you mishear it ("A" instead of "The", "I" instead of "My" etc), and audio sometimes being ducked despite audio ducking being turned off in NVDA. At first I thought it was some kind of power saving issue, but after setting my power settings to highest possible it still hasn't stopped, and there is nothing to do with audio in there in the first place.
3. Keyboard? issues: Press alt+f4 to close something, and you see yourself arrowing through a menu bar (I'm guessing because the new application has registered the alt press).
Has anyone found a way around these, or is it just me that's having these issues?
There are a lot of other things about using Windows 10 generally that I've managed to either avoid or completely disable that I think may help other people, and a few things that I could do with knowing myself, so if anyone knows of a Windows 10 for the blind or similar list, then I might post my full impressions and experiences there as well.
Cheers.
Damien.



Re: {NVDA} Problems installing NVDA 2018.2.1 on a Win 10 Computer

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That is an odd one.
I would say its fine, after all what could go wrong... On the other hand don't answer that. I have never had that happen to me on a new install, I've had it refuse to create the desktop icon or just fail to restart, but not the problem you have. It might be an idea to create a portable version on a hard disc folder as well to be on the safe side.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 12:22 PM
Subject: [nvda] {NVDA} Problems installing NVDA 2018.2.1 on a Win 10 Computer


Hi!

I've tried to install NVDA 2018.2.1 on a Win 10 Computer.
After starting the installation I'm told, that I am trying to install an olderversion of NVDA. But there has never been NVDA on the Computer.

Is it advisable, to ignore this message?
What is the possbiel reason for this message?


Greetings - Hermann.


■■■


Gesendet: Freitag, 31. August 2018 um 12:44 Uhr
Von: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>
An: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [nvda] who knows this?

Hi Paul!
Here is what I do when I hear those choices and not a message!
I just press:
Windows+M to go to the desktop,
And Press:
Alt+Tab, and it says the message to me, along with the choices.
That works every time.
David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: P. Otter
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 5:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] who knows this?

hello friends from nvda,
I have a fairly simple question, sometimes there is a choice in windows
because of an update for example.
I can now choose yes, install or no, do not install.
I just can not manage to read the question that I have to say yes or no to.
not even with the numeric keypad.
not even with nvda-key plus 7
who knows what to do?
thanks in advance!
paul otter








Re: who knows this?

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Erm no, not for me!
Some are just really irritating!
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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] who knows this?


Hi Paul!
Here is what I do when I hear those choices and not a message!
I just press:
Windows+M to go to the desktop,
And Press:
Alt+Tab, and it says the message to me, along with the choices.
That works every time.
David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: P. Otter
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 5:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] who knows this?

hello friends from nvda,
I have a fairly simple question, sometimes there is a choice in windows
because of an update for example.
I can now choose yes, install or no, do not install.
I just can not manage to read the question that I have to say yes or no to.
not even with the numeric keypad.
not even with nvda-key plus 7
who knows what to do?
thanks in advance!
paul otter







Re: who knows this?

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I would say no then, and see if you can find out

What happen with nvda b when the message pops up, Unfortunately some programs tend to put text in as a graphic, so then you have a problem.
I assume you used screen navigation to get out of the yes no buttons and see if there is any text there?
Brian
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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 10:12 AM
Subject: [nvda] who knows this?


hello friends from nvda,
I have a fairly simple question, sometimes there is a choice in windows because of an update for example.
I can now choose yes, install or no, do not install.
I just can not manage to read the question that I have to say yes or no to.
not even with the numeric keypad.
not even with nvda-key plus 7
who knows what to do?
thanks in advance!
paul otter


Re: test:

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No the attached elephant did not arrive!
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Subject: [nvda] test:


Test




Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

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Yes but that was not happening. It seems to me like its jumping to the wrong field or nvda thinks its in one while it is in another. The thing is, most sites are fine so what is it about some that causes the jumping issue?
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Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda


Hi


I remember a while back jamie saying at times what is meant to be going
with that field was not read correctly. In most cases it might of been
if done correctly but alot of times it was not.


I have no problem with going into a edit area if i tab into it then
arrowing up to see what the field name is and if it corospondes with
athat field.



in other cases where it is done correctly it is automatically read out
so then it goes back to the people who done say the form etc it is not
done correctly by the guide lines.


If all guide lines were done correctly there would not be some of these
hacks.


Just a simple example you ask a user of the shark how do you jump down
to the notification area and they would give you a shortcut insert key +
f11 if i remember.


yet a windows command is Windows key + letter B the arrow to what you want.


In a form i have used another screen reader and heard it say the wrong
things for the areas that you tabbed into.. it is like it does not line
up correctly and the only way is to arrow up to see what is correct.


I did not see the link but i guess i would be able to fill it in no
worries it would have to be pretty bad not to.


Any how if it is goverment yes they can fix if you tell them if private
they do not have to there as far as i know is no law.


A good web developer would fix the problem if you told them or may even
test to see if you told them you used a screen reader and which one and
how to reproduce the problem.


One who does not care will just leave it.


Gene nz


Gene nz



On 8/31/2018 9:34 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
There lots of sites like this. Some work in jaws but not nvda and some
the reverse. Does anyone know if there is an agreed convention to
where the text of the field identifier should be or whether a page
author can add some code to force screen readers to read it?
I've also come across the same issue on surveys where one does not
know if the checkbox or radio button is before or after the legend and
in others graphic tags are used with no alt tags.
Somebody needs to sort these issues out and come up with hard and fast
rules for everyone to use I think.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 1:29 AM
Subject: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda


When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit box to
edit box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest version
of fire fox. When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when I
tab from edit box to edit box is edit. I have restarted nvda with add
ons disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been going on
for years now and they have not fixt the problem. This problem
occures in every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign
up for email newsletters. you can't fill out any form if you don't
know what information is required in each edit box this makes the
site not accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of nvda
and the latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.

Brian Sackrider








Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

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Well I do, but not for very long!
I will go look later this evening uk time.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: "Gene" <gsasner@...>; <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda


We have now seen that three or four people have reported problems. Do any of these people have JAWS installed and preferably the latest or a very recent version? We need to see if the same people, using the same browser, have problems with the site using JAWS. If not, then it appears to me that NVDA developers should examine the issue. If JAWS has problems too, that makes it considerably more likely that it is a problem with the site. In that case, the site should be notified. I'm sure there is some sort of contact link.

But we need more information before we know the best way to proceed. If it appears to be an NVDA issue, the developers can determine if it is. There is no use reporting a problem to the site if we don't yet know if it is likely to be a site problem or not.

Gene