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Re: Getting a custom Chromium-based application to work with NVDA
Hi, For situations like this, an app module for the app must tell NVDA that a certain window is a Chrome document (via chooseNVDAObjectOverlayClasses method). A simple app aliasing (which is essentially what you’re doing with JAWS) won’t work in NVDA at the moment (in Python, app module aliasing is done by “from something import *”), as there is no app module for Chrome, as NV Access believes that the rendering engine used by Chrome is used in other situations. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Graham McDermott
Hi, I have an application that is using an embedded Chromium browser to render to the screen. As such it exposes the accessibility interfaces available from Chrome. What do I need to do to get my application to be recognised by NVDA as a chromium-based browser, and use the Chromium ia2 code? In Jaws I can specify in a config file that my task (say "myapp.exe") is Chromium by putting an entry "myapp=Chrome" in the ConfigNames.ini file. Is there an equivalent in NVDA? Thanks, Graham
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Getting a custom Chromium-based application to work with NVDA
Graham McDermott
Hi, I have an application that is using an embedded Chromium browser to render to the screen. As such it exposes the accessibility interfaces available from Chrome. What do I need to do to get my application to be recognised by NVDA as a chromium-based browser, and use the Chromium ia2 code? In Jaws I can specify in a config file that my task (say "myapp.exe") is Chromium by putting an entry "myapp=Chrome" in the ConfigNames.ini file. Is there an equivalent in NVDA? Thanks, Graham
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Re: problem solved with vlc media player
Brian's Mail list account
Yes I'm almost sure its a windows update modifying a dll file or registry entry. a similar mess can occur if you do a check and replace system files with sfc. You find email has gone and some file associations and running programs no longer work. in the case of email usually an install over fixes it, and a reinstall for other software. I suspect that somewhere in Windows no checking of the underlying settings is done when system files and registry are changed.
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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 4:57 AM Subject: [nvda] problem solved with vlc media player Hi, everyone,
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Re: off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook
Brian's Mail list account
Yes well that can happen of course. I have hived a year or so off to an archive folder myself.
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From: "molly the blind tech lover" <brainardmolly@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook hi.
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Re: can't get vlc media player to start
go to www.codecguide.com and get the mega codec pack and make sure you have the latest vlc from videolan.org.
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On 12/20/2018 5:47 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I tried opening the program and then playing the movie but there was no sound.
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Re: can't get vlc media player to start
Well just make sure you do not run it in skin mode, skin mode is inaccessible for some reason.
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On 12/20/2018 5:45 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I'll give vlc media player another try.
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Re: Hello/Still Noticing Slight Performance Decrease When Navigating with NVDA 2018.4
hi.
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for me, my system is for 2016 and with 2core cpu and 2.5 gb ram. after 2016.2, the only excellent and responsive version is 2017.1 which i decided to keep and use it forever. i dont use chrome or thunderbird, but, in firefox, only 2017.1 is reliable, fast and responsive.
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Tony, --
By God, were I given all the seven heavens with all they contain in order that I may disobey God by depriving an ant from the husk of a grain of barley, I would not do it. imam ali
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Re: Hello/Still Noticing Slight Performance Decrease When Navigating with NVDA 2018.4
David Goldfield
Tony, Thank you for confirming what I have noticed. The performance hit I'm seeing is significant enough that I really prefer what the previous version. However, I am impressed with the experimental UIA support which I enabled in my NVDA.ini file for use with
Word. I definitely notice the difference, particularly on my machine which is not the fastest machine around. What I'd really like to see most in NVDA is a refactoring of the speech to improve latency and, dare I make this comparison, to make it behave more
like JAWS. Specifically, I'm referring to the responsiveness when navigating using the cursor and when typing. David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist
WWW.David-Goldfield.Com
On 12/18/2018 1:53 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:
I noticed this in Chrome too - 2018.4 is slightly slower than 2018.3.2. All the betas of 2018.4 were slower as well. However, with 2018.3.2 I had a problem of weird behavior with missing keystrokes in browse mode. So it seems to me some bugs were fixed that both solved my problem and made chrome a bit slower. On 12/17/18, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:My guess is that nobody else is experiencing this issue as I'm seeing no other posts about this. When I navigate by links with K or shift K in Thunderbird and even, to an extent, in Chrome I notice a slight slowdown in responsiveness compared to 2018.3. For a short time I thought it was my computer as I was sometimes seeing this occur in 2018.3.2 but, in general, 2018.3.2 is still somewhat faster. I sent Quentin a debug file with all addons disabled but I'm assuming there was nothing obvious in the output as I haven't heard back. I notice this with Espeak. On a faster machine I do not notice this but on a slower Athlon 2.9 GHZ there is a slight but noticeable difference. Just wondering if anybody has noticed this and if something changed in the code regarding navigation? -- David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=WWW.David-Goldfield.Com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C02baf334e89b435b7a8008d6651a2b34%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636807560394078993&sdata=VQyb5%2B5iHZPxlsV9qvHkN5yCHwYNnI1uT%2FTfEq%2B8qkA%3D&reserved=0<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2FWWW.David-Goldfield.Com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C02baf334e89b435b7a8008d6651a2b34%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636807560394078993&sdata=suBnh5KjAV4okePbqYQnpsXB6sIO691ItYJEhhM1enU%3D&reserved=0>
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problem solved with vlc media player
Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, everyone,
I did a fresh install of vlc media, opened it and put in my movie I wanted to watch. It started playing after a few seconds. I think the reinstall did the trick. Thank you all for your help. Rosemarie
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Re: can't get vlc media player to start
Rosemarie Chavarria
I tried opening the program and then playing the movie but there was no sound.
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On 12/18/2018 5:35 PM, Gene wrote:
Your message doesn't say what is or isn't happening. You say you can't play something. You don't say whether the program opens or what happens when you try to play the item. Since we don't know specifically what happens, we can't address the question properly, though someone may provide a solution. But how do we know that the player isn't muted, opening, playing the file with no sound. We don't know if that is happening but it is important to give detailed information when presenting a problem.
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Re: can't get vlc media player to start
Rosemarie Chavarria
I'll give vlc media player another try.
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On 12/18/2018 5:39 PM, Gene wrote:
you repeatedly do this. Get rid of or say you are going to get rid of a program. You haven't given the list sufficient time to ask about and propose possible solutions.
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Re: is there a short cut key for Use NVDA on the Windows logon screen (requires administrator privileges)
No, the only way to do that is have all computers continuously running nvda at startup.
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It may be easier to login then start nvda on a desktop. I am not sure if nvda can be started after login but only for certain user profiles. But assuming thats the case, using narator to login and having nvda start on the profiles that have it active would be fine. For full desktops. For remote sessions locked down web pages etc, as an admin especially if you can't do anything with it, the easiest way would be to have something or a way to connect remotely to those services or simply previde a way to do it away from location. But suppose you needed it again. Assuming you had profiles for those sessions, those accounts would have to have nvda running on them. It would be easier in my view to have terminals assigned for the blind to use or for those that don't need sound, nvda running all the time but with sound off and all you would have to do is turn on speaker etc. The easiest option would be in that case for speech users similar to the eft pos terminals at banks. Plug in a set of headphones and go nuts, now I realise that this is a real pain in the rear end as you will need a set of phones. I have often done banking but I always manage to forget headsets and don't carry them about. For a locked down terminal, like a site or a certain program, as an admin I'd feel comfortable previding connection info for that device knowing you couldn't do anything with it. However it is my opinion for the remote units and resources including locked down websites and net based web portals to allow those that need access to them a way to do that from their own devices is probably better and more managible than well doing it on a terminal. If security is that of a big deal, you would need to obtain a session login which would last as long as you were physically on location, once you logged out, everything including that image of the system especially if it was for something would be lost or changed daily. With some of these remote systems you can get access for something, then reformat and kill the instance and bring it back when you needed it. However if you did that one assumes you would have to have images of instances to use. I know about some of this and how it works but have never done it myself. To be honest though I rarely do any work on a terminal at location, if I can I do it on my own device via an interface or something. The other way is to have some sort of roming profile, each member that needs it would have their account setup with what they needed, and that would be that. I havn't done anything with nvda on a network server but for jaws something like this would work, nvda isn't jaws but there is no reason why you couldn't have it always running on a server and access to services for it for certain things.
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Re: off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook
molly the blind tech lover
I understand. I watch youtube videos about computer performance and a lot of the time people say the more ram the faster your computer will be. But that is very misleading. It also depends on the processor speed among other things. I got my emails back, by the way. A friend helped me figure it out.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 7:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook
Yes, but that is completely separate from RAM. Ram is where information is stored your computer uses. A program you run is usually in RAM. It is memory. the Processor is active. it makes calculations. But there is much more to determine the speed of a computer than just the processor. The motherboard has a speed, the speed at which information travels through it. I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss it much but the motherboard is basically the assembly that connects components of your computer so they can communicate with each other.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook
Well if you have a faster processor, doesn’t that improve performance?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
I should add that if you have insufficient RAM, your computer will run slowly. But if you have sufficient RAM, just adding more won't speed it up. If you never use more than three GB of RAM and you have four, adding more RAM won't do anything. You already have 1GB that is free at all times. I often see people say, the more RAM, the faster your machine will run.
Memory is one of the most widely misunderstood technical aspects of computers and I've seen more nonsense about RAM than about any other technical aspect of computers. The more memory the better? How can more memory speed up a computer that already has free memory when you are just adding more that won't be used.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook
It depends on how much RAM is being used. If your RAM is so low that your computer must use virtual memory, that is, placing information on your hard drive instead of in RAM, your computer would be slow in operation or slow in switching from program to program as you alt tab and open another program you have alt tabbed to.
Deleting the messages in your inbox doesn't have anything to do with memory use. You've deleted the messages. They are gone. They weren't in RAM to start with, they were on your hard drive and were displayed in the inbox. Now they are gone.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook
i'm talking about ram as in low memory. i have plenty of disk space. but if your computer doesn'"t have a lot of ram, does that mean the machine will be slow? i thought the more ram you have, and the faster your processor, the faster your machine will be. i could be wrong, though.
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 6:07 pm Gene <gsasner@... wrote:
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Re: off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook
Gene
Yes, but that is completely separate from
RAM. Ram is where information is stored your computer uses. A
program you run is usually in RAM. It is memory. the Processor is
active. it makes calculations. But there is much more to
determine the speed of a computer than just the processor. The motherboard
has a speed, the speed at which information travels through it. I don't
have the technical knowledge to discuss it much but the motherboard is basically
the assembly that connects components of your computer so they can communicate
with each other.
The speed with which information travels through the motherboard is important in determining the speed. Also, processors have a cache. That is where information is temporarily stored. If a fast processor has a low cache, thaqt can slow your computer as well because information isn't stored in the processor cache and thus takes longer for the processor to access. Again, I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss that in detail but others may want to discuss such matters. Gene
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Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails
from my inbox folder in outlook Well if you have a faster processor, doesn’t that improve performance?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
I should add that if you have insufficient RAM, your computer will run slowly. But if you have sufficient RAM, just adding more won't speed it up. If you never use more than three GB of RAM and you have four, adding more RAM won't do anything. You already have 1GB that is free at all times. I often see people say, the more RAM, the faster your machine will run.
Memory is one of the most widely misunderstood technical aspects of computers and I've seen more nonsense about RAM than about any other technical aspect of computers. The more memory the better? How can more memory speed up a computer that already has free memory when you are just adding more that won't be used.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook
It depends on how much RAM is being used. If your RAM is so low that your computer must use virtual memory, that is, placing information on your hard drive instead of in RAM, your computer would be slow in operation or slow in switching from program to program as you alt tab and open another program you have alt tabbed to.
Deleting the messages in your inbox doesn't have anything to do with memory use. You've deleted the messages. They are gone. They weren't in RAM to start with, they were on your hard drive and were displayed in the inbox. Now they are gone.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook
i'm talking about ram as in low memory. i have plenty of disk space. but if your computer doesn'"t have a lot of ram, does that mean the machine will be slow? i thought the more ram you have, and the faster your processor, the faster your machine will be. i could be wrong, though.
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 6:07 pm Gene <gsasner@... wrote:
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Re: off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook
molly the blind tech lover
Well if you have a faster processor, doesn’t that improve performance?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 7:09 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook
I should add that if you have insufficient RAM, your computer will run slowly. But if you have sufficient RAM, just adding more won't speed it up. If you never use more than three GB of RAM and you have four, adding more RAM won't do anything. You already have 1GB that is free at all times. I often see people say, the more RAM, the faster your machine will run.
Memory is one of the most widely misunderstood technical aspects of computers and I've seen more nonsense about RAM than about any other technical aspect of computers. The more memory the better? How can more memory speed up a computer that already has free memory when you are just adding more that won't be used.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook
It depends on how much RAM is being used. If your RAM is so low that your computer must use virtual memory, that is, placing information on your hard drive instead of in RAM, your computer would be slow in operation or slow in switching from program to program as you alt tab and open another program you have alt tabbed to.
Deleting the messages in your inbox doesn't have anything to do with memory use. You've deleted the messages. They are gone. They weren't in RAM to start with, they were on your hard drive and were displayed in the inbox. Now they are gone.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook
i'm talking about ram as in low memory. i have plenty of disk space. but if your computer doesn'"t have a lot of ram, does that mean the machine will be slow? i thought the more ram you have, and the faster your processor, the faster your machine will be. i could be wrong, though.
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 6:07 pm Gene <gsasner@... wrote:
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Re: off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook
Gene
I should add that if you have insufficient RAM,
your computer will run slowly. But if you have sufficient RAM, just adding
more won't speed it up. If you never use more than three GB of RAM and you
have four, adding more RAM won't do anything. You already have 1GB that is
free at all times. I often see people say, the more RAM, the faster your
machine will run.
Memory is one of the most widely misunderstood
technical aspects of computers and I've seen more nonsense about RAM than about
any other technical aspect of computers. The more memory the better?
How can more memory speed up a computer that already has free memory when you
are just adding more that won't be used.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails
from my inbox folder in outlook It depends on how much RAM is being used. If
your RAM is so low that your computer must use virtual memory, that is, placing
information on your hard drive instead of in RAM, your computer would be slow in
operation or slow in switching from program to program as you alt tab and open
another program you have alt tabbed to.
Deleting the messages in your inbox doesn't have
anything to do with memory use. You've deleted the messages. They
are gone. They weren't in RAM to start with, they were on your hard drive
and were displayed in the inbox. Now they are gone.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails
from my inbox folder in outlook i'm talking about ram as in low memory. i have plenty of disk space. but if your computer doesn'"t have a lot of ram, does that mean the machine will be slow? i thought the more ram you have, and the faster your processor, the faster your machine will be. i could be wrong, though. On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 6:07 pm Gene <gsasner@... wrote:
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Re: off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook
Gene
It depends on how much RAM is being used. If
your RAM is so low that your computer must use virtual memory, that is, placing
information on your hard drive instead of in RAM, your computer would be slow in
operation or slow in switching from program to program as you alt tab and open
another program you have alt tabbed to.
Deleting the messages in your inbox doesn't have
anything to do with memory use. You've deleted the messages. They
are gone. They weren't in RAM to start with, they were on your hard drive
and were displayed in the inbox. Now they are gone.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails
from my inbox folder in outlook i'm talking about ram as in low memory. i have plenty of disk space. but if your computer doesn'"t have a lot of ram, does that mean the machine will be slow? i thought the more ram you have, and the faster your processor, the faster your machine will be. i could be wrong, though. On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 6:07 pm Gene <gsasner@... wrote:
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Re: off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook
molly the blind tech lover
i'm talking about ram as in low memory. i have plenty of disk space. but if your computer doesn'"t have a lot of ram, does that mean the machine will be slow? i thought the more ram you have, and the faster your processor, the faster your machine will be. i could be wrong, though.
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 6:07 pm Gene <gsasner@... wrote:
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Re: off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook
Gene
I see you are using Outlook. I'll let others
continue the discussion but RAM shouldn't be the problem.
Gene
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Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails
from my inbox folder in outlook well there is no error message. it just appears the inbox is taking forever to load. most likely due to the fact there is one gig of ram available. the other 3 gigabytes of ram are being used for who knows what. i open outlook and it says inbox brainardmolly@.... and then the machine is quiet. when i use the up and down arrow keys nvda doesn't talk. guess outlook is trying to retrieve the mail but it can't because of the ram. On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 5:36 pm Gene <gsasner@... wrote:
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Re: off topic question about deleting all emails from my inbox folder in outlook
Gene
I don't know if you understand about RAM. Are
you talking about RAM, meaning memory used by your computer, or are you talking
about available disk space. Low Ram wouldn't cause your e-mail program not
to function. Low ram might cause your entire computer to function
slowly. You may be able to solve the problem by compressing your inbox but
how you do that depends on the program you are using. How are you
determining what is being used in terms of your four gigabytes
figure?
Gene
----- Original message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic question about deleting all emails
from my inbox folder in outlook well there is no error message. it just appears the inbox is taking forever to load. most likely due to the fact there is one gig of ram available. the other 3 gigabytes of ram are being used for who knows what. i open outlook and it says inbox brainardmolly@.... and then the machine is quiet. when i use the up and down arrow keys nvda doesn't talk. guess outlook is trying to retrieve the mail but it can't because of the ram. On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 5:36 pm Gene <gsasner@... wrote:
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