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Re: Best blogging software for use with NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

I personally use and loe wordpress on my own sites. I self host all of them.


Take care

On 28 Aug 2018, at 15:49, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I have decided to be brave and set up a blog on my site at www.multisensorydesign.ie to discuss various aspects of the approach and ideas for multisensory design as against purely visual solutions such as those that cause us such a nuisance.

 

I have been doing some research and WordPress keeps coming up. Is this the best option for managing a blog non-visually using NVDA?

 

All ideas and suggestion welcome!

 

Cearbhall

 

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Re: reading mail in outlook 365

Quentin Christensen
 

Since this is the second email in a row to ask a similar question, I'm curious, why do people read pieces of text that may be long, using the arrow keys rather than Say All (NVDA+down arrow or NVDA+a depending on your setup)?

Note that I'm not saying you SHOULD do it one way or the other, just wanting a better understanding of why people do things the way they do.  For me, I use Say All with a finger ready on SHIFT to pause speech as needed.

You can force Outlook to open emails as plain text rather than HTML (File menu, options, Trust centre, Email security, read all standard email in plain text), however, that displays links to external images as links and reads out the full link of each, rather than the HTML view which simply denotes "graphic".

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 7:44 AM, Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:
I decided to try my hand with Outlook 365. I liked it, overall. However, emails with NVDA and Outlook 365 didn't read as well as they do with Thunderbird and NVDA. For example, it appears that using arrow keys in some emails in Outlook 365 is not a great solution. All you see is blank lines and graphics, whereas you see links and a fairly compact view in Thunderbird. The tab key doesn't change this in any way, shape or form.


Has anyone else seen this, and if you have, does anyone have a solution? For me, using Outlook 365 won't work unless I can get around these issues. I'm using the latest version of NVDA alpha. Any help with this one is much appreciated, and thanks in advance.







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Re: strange stuff happening with the latest version of NVDA and Windows 1803

Pranav Lal
 

Hi George,

On my computer, the background is set to harmony and the color is set to its defaults.

I have not made any changes to the theme.

Pranav


Re: Can't select words using latest stable versions Firefox, NVDA

Jackie
 

Hey Travis, I'd forgotten about portable ff! Thanks for the reminder!
Indeed, that worked. So I decided to paw thru what few FF addons I had
installed, & of course it had to be my favorite screen capture tool!
@#$%! So something in the last update of ff proved incompatible
w/Nimbus Screen Capture. O, well--I can just as easily use Screen
Grab, I guess. I sure hate it like bloody double-hockey-stick when
that happens, though. Man all these addons can really cause problems
when they want to!

Thanks again for the reminder about portable ff. & editing w/ff will
be a lot easier again. That's particularly true as I use GMail on the
web & not an email client. That was getting tedious, & past time to
get fixed.

On 8/28/18, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:
Hi Jackie,


Here's one thing I thought of trying. This should tell us if your
Firefox update might have corrupted things somehow.


Grab the portable version of Firefox:

https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable

It's version 62.0.2, the latest right now, and choose where you want it
on your computer.

When done, open it up and see if you can select text normally, or if
you're still having trouble. If things are normal, your desktop
installation may have corrupted, and you might have to uninstall and
reinstall Firefox. If things are still not working properly with the
portable edition, you may have to do the same uninstalling/reinstalling,
but this time with NVDA.

Another idea is to disable all NVDA and/or Firefox add-ons and
extensions and see if something there may be causing troubles. If things
work after that, try enabling things one at a time, and one of them will
likely break Firefox selection for you, but you'll know what the culprit
is this time.

Hopefully something will work.

I just tested things again with NVDA 2018.2, Windows 10 and Firefox
61.0.2, both 64-bit, and all worked as expected.

Good luck,

Travis

On 8/28/2018 3:39 PM, Jackie wrote:
Unfortunately, it's been doing this since I updated sometime last
week, ie, it's been restarted multiple times since.

On 8/28/18, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:
Try restarting NVDA. I did have that work one time when the normal
selection methods seemed to be broken. No guarantees, but worth a try at
least I think. Pressing ctrl+alt+n will automatically close and restart
NVDA.

Travis

On 8/28/2018 3:22 PM, Jackie wrote:
Well, it works when a whole line is selected, but not word by word.

On 8/28/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi

it is not happening on my version of fire fox and it is the latest
version 61 some thing  a rather. It is selecting what I want and i
hear
it say the word then selecting or is it selected all the line i want
then copy it.

So no problems but I am using a 32 bit version of fire fox but do not
think that would  just because you have a 64 bit version it would do
it.

Gene nz

On 8/29/2018 9:43 AM, Jackie wrote:
Using Firefox version 61.0.2 (64-bit), when I press control shift
right arrow, words are no longer selected. Anyone else notice this?




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Re: Windows 10 and email

 

Abbie,

           You're quite welcome.   That's what venues like this are supposed to be about:  helping one another (even if that, at times, is done with a dope slap.  Luckily unnecessary here!)

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Update on Amazon Kindle Site with NVDA

Abbie Taylor
 

I just now tried to purchase another Kindle book from the Amazon site. When I couldn't find the button to buy with one click with NVDA, not even with object navigation, I switched to System Access, and sure enough, there was the button, and I was able to successfully complete the purchase without having to call Amazon's disability customer service.


It sounds to me, then, that the issue here may be with NVDA, although folks who use Jaws or Narrator could possibly try the site to see if they can find that elusive button. I wonder if there is something NVDA developers can do to allow the program to read these buttons. Surely there are other such buttons on other sites that NVDA won't read, even with object navigation, but that are easily recognized by other programs. Not all screen readers are created equal. This is just an idea for what it's worth.


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Re: Best blogging software for use with NVDA

 

If you've got a self-hosted site, then WordPress is an excellent choice. It's very accessible from my experience. I've used the .com version of WordPress to create my own personal blog, and I'm loving it.
With a self-hosted WordPress installation, you can install your own plugins and themes. Heck, you can even turn it into a website, complete with a blog and a forum.


Re: Can't select words using latest stable versions Firefox, NVDA

Kwork
 

Hi Jackie,


Here's one thing I thought of trying. This should tell us if your Firefox update might have corrupted things somehow.


Grab the portable version of Firefox:

https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable

It's version 62.0.2, the latest right now, and choose where you want it on your computer.

When done, open it up and see if you can select text normally, or if you're still having trouble. If things are normal, your desktop installation may have corrupted, and you might have to uninstall and reinstall Firefox. If things are still not working properly with the portable edition, you may have to do the same uninstalling/reinstalling, but this time with NVDA.

Another idea is to disable all NVDA and/or Firefox add-ons and extensions and see if something there may be causing troubles. If things work after that, try enabling things one at a time, and one of them will likely break Firefox selection for you, but you'll know what the culprit is this time.

Hopefully something will work.

I just tested things again with NVDA 2018.2, Windows 10 and Firefox 61.0.2, both 64-bit, and all worked as expected.

Good luck,

Travis

On 8/28/2018 3:39 PM, Jackie wrote:
Unfortunately, it's been doing this since I updated sometime last
week, ie, it's been restarted multiple times since.

On 8/28/18, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:
Try restarting NVDA. I did have that work one time when the normal
selection methods seemed to be broken. No guarantees, but worth a try at
least I think. Pressing ctrl+alt+n will automatically close and restart
NVDA.

Travis

On 8/28/2018 3:22 PM, Jackie wrote:
Well, it works when a whole line is selected, but not word by word.

On 8/28/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi

it is not happening on my version of fire fox and it is the latest
version 61 some thing  a rather. It is selecting what I want and i hear
it say the word then selecting or is it selected all the line i want
then copy it.

So no problems but I am using a 32 bit version of fire fox but do not
think that would  just because you have a 64 bit version it would do it.

Gene nz

On 8/29/2018 9:43 AM, Jackie wrote:
Using Firefox version 61.0.2 (64-bit), when I press control shift
right arrow, words are no longer selected. Anyone else notice this?



Re: Best blogging software for use with NVDA

Jackie
 

He's already got a self-hosted site, David. So just install WordPress
into a subdirectory like blog & you're good to go, Cearbhall.

My free tutorials at www.wp4newbs.com should get you up & running.

On 8/28/18, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:
Yes,
www.wordpress.com
is very easy to use, I have set up a blog on there, but still deciding what
to do with it.
I definitely recommend Word press.
The .com is free, the .org site you pay so much, but you can create more
professional looking blogs.
David Moore


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 6:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Best blogging software for use with NVDA

Hi everyone,

I have decided to be brave and set up a blog on my site at
www.multisensorydesign.ie to discuss various aspects of the approach and
ideas for multisensory design as against purely visual solutions such as
those that cause us such a nuisance.

I have been doing some research and WordPress keeps coming up. Is this the
best option for managing a blog non-visually using NVDA?

All ideas and suggestion welcome!

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...







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Re: Windows 10 and email

Abbie Taylor
 

@Brian Vogel, thank you so much for the link to the Mozilla add-on to Thunderbird. Once I installed this, it took me a few minutes to figure out that in order to configure columns in a message list, you have to select an item such as correspondent and then determine where it should be by pressing the up and down buttons. For those of you who use Sero, it's very similar to the process of determining the order of items on your home screen.


This is truly wonderful. Now I can use first letter navigation in my message lists. Thank you again, Brian.


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Re: Best blogging software for use with NVDA

David Moore
 

Yes,

www.wordpress.com

is very easy to use, I have set up a blog on there, but still deciding what to do with it.

I definitely recommend Word press.

The .com is free, the .org site you pay so much, but you can create more professional looking blogs.

David Moore

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 6:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Best blogging software for use with NVDA

 

Hi everyone,

 

I have decided to be brave and set up a blog on my site at www.multisensorydesign.ie to discuss various aspects of the approach and ideas for multisensory design as against purely visual solutions such as those that cause us such a nuisance.

 

I have been doing some research and WordPress keeps coming up. Is this the best option for managing a blog non-visually using NVDA?

 

All ideas and suggestion welcome!

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

 


Best blogging software for use with NVDA

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Hi everyone,

 

I have decided to be brave and set up a blog on my site at www.multisensorydesign.ie to discuss various aspects of the approach and ideas for multisensory design as against purely visual solutions such as those that cause us such a nuisance.

 

I have been doing some research and WordPress keeps coming up. Is this the best option for managing a blog non-visually using NVDA?

 

All ideas and suggestion welcome!

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 


Re: Can't select words using latest stable versions Firefox, NVDA

Jackie
 

Unfortunately, it's been doing this since I updated sometime last
week, ie, it's been restarted multiple times since.

On 8/28/18, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:
Try restarting NVDA. I did have that work one time when the normal
selection methods seemed to be broken. No guarantees, but worth a try at
least I think. Pressing ctrl+alt+n will automatically close and restart
NVDA.

Travis

On 8/28/2018 3:22 PM, Jackie wrote:
Well, it works when a whole line is selected, but not word by word.

On 8/28/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi

it is not happening on my version of fire fox and it is the latest
version 61 some thing  a rather. It is selecting what I want and i hear
it say the word then selecting or is it selected all the line i want
then copy it.

So no problems but I am using a 32 bit version of fire fox but do not
think that would  just because you have a 64 bit version it would do it.

Gene nz

On 8/29/2018 9:43 AM, Jackie wrote:
Using Firefox version 61.0.2 (64-bit), when I press control shift
right arrow, words are no longer selected. Anyone else notice this?




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Re: Can't select words using latest stable versions Firefox, NVDA

Kwork
 

Try restarting NVDA. I did have that work one time when the normal selection methods seemed to be broken. No guarantees, but worth a try at least I think. Pressing ctrl+alt+n will automatically close and restart NVDA.

Travis

On 8/28/2018 3:22 PM, Jackie wrote:
Well, it works when a whole line is selected, but not word by word.

On 8/28/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi

it is not happening on my version of fire fox and it is the latest
version 61 some thing  a rather. It is selecting what I want and i hear
it say the word then selecting or is it selected all the line i want
then copy it.

So no problems but I am using a 32 bit version of fire fox but do not
think that would  just because you have a 64 bit version it would do it.

Gene nz

On 8/29/2018 9:43 AM, Jackie wrote:
Using Firefox version 61.0.2 (64-bit), when I press control shift
right arrow, words are no longer selected. Anyone else notice this?



Re: windows mail still have the problem

Mark <mark@...>
 

Hi no its only windows mail NVDA does stop speaking

Working fine apart from that

Tried disabling all addons and still the same

Mark.

 

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From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: 28 August 2018 23:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows mail still have the problem

 

hi

 

No problem with closing it every time i just use the alt key + f4 key to do this. This is on a windows 10 machine ver 1803 with nvda 2018.2.1

 

Is your machine sluggish? all of the time or is it say when you close the app it seems slow to close it.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 8/29/2018 10:01 AM, Mark wrote:

Hi about 3 weeks ago I reported that if I close windows mail NVDA stop talking and I have to close it down and re open it

Its still just the same

Mark.

 

 

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Windows 10 NVDA list

Kwork
 

Is the Windows 10 NVDA list still active, or was it merged with this list? I can't remember now. If still a separate entity, what is the subscribe address? Thanks.

Travis


Re: Can't select words using latest stable versions Firefox, NVDA

Jackie
 

Well, it works when a whole line is selected, but not word by word.

On 8/28/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi

it is not happening on my version of fire fox and it is the latest
version 61 some thing  a rather. It is selecting what I want and i hear
it say the word then selecting or is it selected all the line i want
then copy it.

So no problems but I am using a 32 bit version of fire fox but do not
think that would  just because you have a 64 bit version it would do it.

Gene nz

On 8/29/2018 9:43 AM, Jackie wrote:
Using Firefox version 61.0.2 (64-bit), when I press control shift
right arrow, words are no longer selected. Anyone else notice this?



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Re: Windows 10 and email

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

With the physical mouse if i remember right it was find the thing hold down the left key on it then drag it to the place where you want it then let that key off.


Been 30 years or so i guess since i have done it that way.


Gene nz



On 8/29/2018 10:04 AM, Kwork wrote:

Thanks, Gene. I never really knew what locking and unlocking the mouse meant. As you said, easy enough to do now that I get it.

On 8/28/2018 1:53 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


yes you had to use object navigation to do it you would then find the column you wanted use the lock mouse button go to the place where you wanted it then unlock the mouse. It was quite easy to do but if people were not use to it they would not go there.


I think you could also do it with the physical mouse do the same thing.


when the golden cursor come to the add on website then it would let you use the arrow keys to move the mouse around and a bit more. Even labeling i think you call it hot spots.


That would make it super easy.


later on tonight I will add in a link to the tutorial on mozilla thunder bird to this add on. so people know it is there. I think some of the new users are not aware they can install add ons or where to go for extra functionality.


I just figured people knew it was there so did not add it into the tutorial but it looks as though people are unaware.


Gene nz




On 8/29/2018 3:09 AM, Kwork wrote:

That would be a reason I avoided it for so many years. I remember reading about this being a problem natively before. While I figured out how to show and hide columns using object navigation, I still can't figure out how to re-order them without the add-on. Probably some sort of drag and drop which I've never really gotten NVDA to do properly. JAWS has always had the edge there.

As I didn't want to use web mail, though GMail's basic html is quite accessible, and since I couldn't even get NVDA to read the setup screen for Microsoft's own mail program, I decided to fight with Thunderbird instead, at least for now.  My very favorite mail client I ever used was Windows Vista's version of Windows Mail, the only thing not great being that you couldn't have more than one identity. Outlook Express was my second favorite though large identities could get corrupt at times, losing all messages in the process, something Windows Mail on Vista solved by having each message be its own file rather than the full identity be one large file. A dream program for me would have been Vista's Windows Mail, but with identities added, but with the messages still being one to a file rather than the whole identity.

I tried Windows Live, but it was moving very slow on this machine, even the earlier installer Brian had saved.

Travis

On 8/28/2018 7:46 AM, Gene wrote:
While Thunderbird is generally accessible, I consider this ability not being accessible in the program to be a significant failure to make the program accessible.  If the designers are going to follow an eccentric layout for who knows why, they have an obligation to make changing it accessible, especially since this format change affects blind screen-reader users significantly. 
 
That's one reason I refuse to use the program.  I consider this to be a serious enough disregarding of accessibility that I refuse to use it unless I really need to.  I know there are ways around the problem but this really leaves a bad taste in my mouth and the problem has been around for years, as long as I've casually followed the program, which has been perhaps eight years or more. 
 
The designers must have gotten complaints over the years, probably a lot of them. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 and email

Same here, Travis. That's one of my biggest pet peeves about Thunderbird, the fact that it displays the subject first instead of the sender's name. So far, I haven't been able to find a way to fix this, either. That's one  reason why I tried the mail app, which does display messages with the sender first.

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Re: windows mail still have the problem

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

hi


No problem with closing it every time i just use the alt key + f4 key to do this. This is on a windows 10 machine ver 1803 with nvda 2018.2.1


Is your machine sluggish? all of the time or is it say when you close the app it seems slow to close it.


Gene nz



On 8/29/2018 10:01 AM, Mark wrote:

Hi about 3 weeks ago I reported that if I close windows mail NVDA stop talking and I have to close it down and re open it

Its still just the same

Mark.

 

 

Tune in to the number one station on the web TAFN radio
http://tafn.org.uk/listen
Or for our catch up service on demand http://www.tafn.org.uk/on-demand
or for our upcoming weekly schedule
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part of the accessible friends network
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Sent from Windows 10 Mail.

 



Re: strange behavior with add on updater

 

This evening when I launched NVDA 2018.2.1 and Add-On Updater popped up, indicating that it had an update for itself, it was impossible to interact with the checkbox, even using a mouse, and thus the update could not be completed.  I had to cancel out of the Add-On Updater dialog.

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