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Re: NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

Jonathan COHN
 

Hello,

He play/pause button does not respond to keyboard input, it does respond to clicks. So, you should be able to use NVDA+* and then * to move the mouse to the object navigator and then click on it. Also, there is a good chance that nvda+enter will work.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 3/4/18, 1:58 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Rusty Perez" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of rustys.lists@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey folks,
Has any one had success playing music on the bandcamp web site?
Here's a link to a page.
Try and activate any of the play/pause buttons with space or nvda
enter and nothing happens. My wife confirms that she can click with
the mouse and getit to play.
I'm pasting a link to a band called "screenreader' because I thought
that was appropriate. :)


https://screenreader.bandcamp.com/


Re: NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

John Isige
 

That's fine. I do know the layout, and what I'm doing works fine for me.
Sorry I'm not super worried about doing things in the most efficient way
possible.

On 3/4/2018 14:02, Gene wrote:
That isn't an efficient way to find the name of the track on a site
who's layout you don't know.  It is likely to be a heading or you may
find it reasonably efficiently if it isn't by using the skip blocks of
links command.  On this page, the name is a heading.  After you see
the name and look down to see if there is other information you want
to see such as the name of the group, using the b command is the most
efficient way to get to the control.  Just using commands like page
down and arrow keys doesn't give you any point of reference.  You are
just moving a certain distance you hope will place you on or near the
item.  Searching for likely structures such as a heading is a much
better bet when a page layout isn't known.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* John Isige <mailto:gwynn@tds.net>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 04, 2018 1:47 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

I do know them, yes. I use the arrows because there are a lot of other
buttons, plus I probably want to see the track name first. So I'll use
something like page down or headings to get to the tracks, and navigate
through them. In any case, yeah, get on the button however you do it,
the real thing you need is routing and clicking with the slash. That's
why I said "I use the arrow keys", implying that you could do whatever
the hell you like.


On 3/4/2018 13:37, Gene wrote:
You don't have to use the arrow keys.  You can use the letter b.  Do
you know quick navigation keys for move to button, move to check box,
move to edit field, move to heading, and perhaps there are one or two
or three others I am not thinking of now. These are essential for
efficient navigation.  In addition, you can tab to these structures if
you aren't exactly on them. Using the arrow keys is inefficient and in
some cases, it may not place you exactly on a control.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* John Isige <mailto:gwynn@tds.net>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 04, 2018 1:28 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

1. Get to a play button, I do this with the arrow keys.


2. Hit NVDA-numpad slash.


3. Hit numpad-slash.


4. Hear music come from your noise-making thingies.


I should add, this is in Firefox.


On 3/4/2018 12:55, Rusty Perez wrote:
Hey folks,
Has any one had success playing music on the bandcamp web site?
Here's a link to a page.
Try and activate any of the play/pause buttons with space or nvda
enter and nothing happens. My wife confirms that she can click with
the mouse and getit to play.
I'm pasting a link to a band called "screenreader' because I thought
that was appropriate. :)


https://screenreader.bandcamp.com/








Re: can't get into preferences

Brice Mijares
 

That did not work. I just uninstalled and reinstall from a portable copy. thanks anyway.

On 3/4/2018 11:31 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:
Try another reboot see if that works
*From: *Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@att.net>
*Sent: *04 March 2018 19:21
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] can't get into preferences
Earlier I went into preferences and unchecked NVDA at log in screen and
unchecked  load automatically after bootup. The reason I did this is
that NVDA was taking longer than usual to completly load. After I
rebooted the machine and loaded NVDA manually, I couldn't get into
preferences to recheck these to check boxes. Any Ideas before I have to
uninstall and reinstall? thanks.


Re: NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

Gene
 

That isn't an efficient way to find the name of the track on a site who's layout you don't know.  It is likely to be a heading or you may find it reasonably efficiently if it isn't by using the skip blocks of links command.  On this page, the name is a heading.  After you see the name and look down to see if there is other information you want to see such as the name of the group, using the b command is the most efficient way to get to the control.  Just using commands like page down and arrow keys doesn't give you any point of reference.  You are just moving a certain distance you hope will place you on or near the item.  Searching for likely structures such as a heading is a much better bet when a page layout isn't known. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: John Isige
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2018 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

I do know them, yes. I use the arrows because there are a lot of other
buttons, plus I probably want to see the track name first. So I'll use
something like page down or headings to get to the tracks, and navigate
through them. In any case, yeah, get on the button however you do it,
the real thing you need is routing and clicking with the slash. That's
why I said "I use the arrow keys", implying that you could do whatever
the hell you like.


On 3/4/2018 13:37, Gene wrote:
> You don't have to use the arrow keys.  You can use the letter b.  Do
> you know quick navigation keys for move to button, move to check box,
> move to edit field, move to heading, and perhaps there are one or two
> or three others I am not thinking of now. These are essential for
> efficient navigation.  In addition, you can tab to these structures if
> you aren't exactly on them. Using the arrow keys is inefficient and in
> some cases, it may not place you exactly on a control.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* John Isige <mailto:gwynn@...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 04, 2018 1:28 PM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site
>
> 1. Get to a play button, I do this with the arrow keys.
>
>
> 2. Hit NVDA-numpad slash.
>
>
> 3. Hit numpad-slash.
>
>
> 4. Hear music come from your noise-making thingies.
>
>
> I should add, this is in Firefox.
>
>
> On 3/4/2018 12:55, Rusty Perez wrote:
> > Hey folks,
> > Has any one had success playing music on the bandcamp web site?
> > Here's a link to a page.
> > Try and activate any of the play/pause buttons with space or nvda
> > enter and nothing happens. My wife confirms that she can click with
> > the mouse and getit to play.
> > I'm pasting a link to a band called "screenreader' because I thought
> > that was appropriate. :)
> >
> >
> > https://screenreader.bandcamp.com/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>





Re: NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

John Isige
 

I do know them, yes. I use the arrows because there are a lot of other
buttons, plus I probably want to see the track name first. So I'll use
something like page down or headings to get to the tracks, and navigate
through them. In any case, yeah, get on the button however you do it,
the real thing you need is routing and clicking with the slash. That's
why I said "I use the arrow keys", implying that you could do whatever
the hell you like.

On 3/4/2018 13:37, Gene wrote:
You don't have to use the arrow keys.  You can use the letter b.  Do
you know quick navigation keys for move to button, move to check box,
move to edit field, move to heading, and perhaps there are one or two
or three others I am not thinking of now. These are essential for
efficient navigation.  In addition, you can tab to these structures if
you aren't exactly on them. Using the arrow keys is inefficient and in
some cases, it may not place you exactly on a control.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* John Isige <mailto:gwynn@tds.net>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 04, 2018 1:28 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

1. Get to a play button, I do this with the arrow keys.


2. Hit NVDA-numpad slash.


3. Hit numpad-slash.


4. Hear music come from your noise-making thingies.


I should add, this is in Firefox.


On 3/4/2018 12:55, Rusty Perez wrote:
Hey folks,
Has any one had success playing music on the bandcamp web site?
Here's a link to a page.
Try and activate any of the play/pause buttons with space or nvda
enter and nothing happens. My wife confirms that she can click with
the mouse and getit to play.
I'm pasting a link to a band called "screenreader' because I thought
that was appropriate. :)


https://screenreader.bandcamp.com/





Re: NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

Gene
 

You don't have to use the arrow keys.  You can use the letter b.  Do you know quick navigation keys for move to button, move to check box, move to edit field, move to heading, and perhaps there are one or two or three others I am not thinking of now.  These are essential for efficient navigation.  In addition, you can tab to these structures if you aren't exactly on them.  Using the arrow keys is inefficient and in some cases, it may not place you exactly on a control. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: John Isige
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2018 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

1. Get to a play button, I do this with the arrow keys.


2. Hit NVDA-numpad slash.


3. Hit numpad-slash.


4. Hear music come from your noise-making thingies.


I should add, this is in Firefox.


On 3/4/2018 12:55, Rusty Perez wrote:
> Hey folks,
> Has any one had success playing music on the bandcamp web site?
> Here's a link to a page.
> Try and activate any of the play/pause buttons with space or nvda
> enter and nothing happens. My wife confirms that she can click with
> the mouse and getit to play.
> I'm pasting a link to a band called "screenreader' because I thought
> that was appropriate. :)
>
>
> https://screenreader.bandcamp.com/
>
>
>




Re: NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

Lino Morales
 

Well I’ll try this on the main page. Do you happen to know if this site is running old Adobe Flash or do they have an HTML 5 player.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Rusty Perez
Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 1:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

 

Hey folks,
Has any one had success playing music on the bandcamp web site?
Here's a link to a page.
Try and activate any of the play/pause buttons with space or nvda
enter and nothing happens. My wife confirms that she can click with
the mouse and getit to play.
I'm pasting a link to a band called "screenreader' because I thought
that was appropriate. :)


https://screenreader.bandcamp.com/

 


Subject lines etc.

Lino Morales
 

Yeah I think Gene has asked Karren to do this before several times I believe. I think Nimer should amend the list rules to reflect this.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Governor staten
Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 11:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] browser question for NVDA

 

You should have created a new subject so that threads are not confused. People are more likely to read your message, and answer, if it is a separate subject line. I cannot see how the message you're replying to is even close to what you are asking about.

 

 

 

On 3/4/2018 11:53 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

hi all
i am using firefox ESR
with NVDA
NVDA reads everything together on a website
when i am on a website, NVDA says remove cluster to read the text, how do i do this?

----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2018 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)



Headsets don't usualy have drivers they work off generic drivers or something some do have drivers but the interfaces don't work with access the drivers do.




On 4/03/2018 5:04 a.m., Melissa Jean wrote:

I wanted a headset. I also in particular about how to wear this headset--I prefer behind the head. I used my jaws trial and it did not do the same things that my synthesizer for NVDA did. I have 30 days left still to either get used to it or choose a different set. I might try and find the same model but using just a regular plug-in. I think I might look into getting eloquence--I'm hoping the other version that is not the ad on version works better. Thank you for taking the time to give me some opinions.

Melissa

On Mar 3, 2018, at 6:37 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

You might do better, and it would be simplir and perhaps cheaper, to get a simple pair of headphones you plug into the output jack of a sound card.  Just regular headphones that you can use with any standard output jack.  Many times, settings, if they are available to change bass and trebble are inaccessible in sound card software.  Just getting a cheap pair of headphones might be the best solution.  For convenience, you could get an extension cable with a volume knob so you can leave the computer volume setting the same.

If you want headphones for serious music listening you could get good standard headphones or good USB headphones but just for screen-reader use, just a cheap pair, maybe ten or fifteen U.S. dollars, might be fine.  I haven't listened to really cheap headphones so you might want to spend a little more.  If there is a store near you where you can buy headphones and it has a good return policy, that would allow you to return them more conveniently than by shipping them back somewhere.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Melissa Jean
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2018 5:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Yes, these are USB headphones. I have gone through the sound setting to see if I can adjust them separately since they are basically their own sound card, but I have not been able to find something that would change the amount of base it is putting out.

Melissa


On Mar 3, 2018, at 12:59 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Are you using USB speakers and a USB headphone as    well?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Melissa Jean
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 9:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

I figured it out. It helped to use the JAWS trial I had to do it. It
picks up more than NVDA does.
However the voices are ... odd. I'm hearing another voice when I'm
typing and don't know what it is. It is a tad laggy when it comes to
my typing.
Oh, well... I will have to figure it out or get a newer headset,
lol.This new one has a lot of bass to it that I can't turn off. It
also clips off the first letter of most lines, words, and button for
some reason when I use the add that shall not be named which is why I
looked into this again.

Thanks for your help, appreciate it.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:

Hey again.

Yes, now that you mention it, I remember that list box where you have to
select being somewhat too silent with NVDA. I think I had better luck with
JAWS 18, which I also have on this computer. I think I'll try playing with
it again and see exactly what happens. This is something that NVDA users
should certainly be able to do without trouble.

I did not download that .exe file. It seemed like a better idea to just use
the Windows interface to do this. I think the source is trustworthy but I'm
not positive, and you'd have to give the program admin rights to muck about
with your file permissions, so I dunno.

The good news is that Windows actually comes with a take ownership utility.
It's called takeown.exe and I didn't know about it until recently. The bad
news (possibly) is that it's command line only, so you'll have to get the
syntax right and everything. You'd have to run in command prompt,
administrator, or in powershell. I took a quick look at the usage info with
"takeown /?" and, maybe because it's Friday evening and my brain is fried
trying to apply to jobs, but as of now I can't make head nor tail of it. If
you're familiar with Windows command line applications though, this could be
a no-brainer for you. It's been a long time since I had to tinker much with
such things.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa
Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 5:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Thanks for that. I got most of it, but I guess I had been missing something
when I was trying.
Have you tried using the take ownership exe they suggested? I admit that I
wanted to try that because I'm having trouble selecting things while going
through the properties/security window.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:

Hey Melissa.

Rather than try to duplicate what I did before, I'm just going to
paste this URL for you. If you follow these instructions, I'm 99% sure
you will be able to get it to work.

https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-take-ownership-and-get-full-access-to-
files-and-folders-in-windows-10/

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Melissa Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Sorry for being late to reply to this email. I got a new headset and
it doesn't seem to be playing well with the synth I am using and
wanted to use the microsoft voices.... I went to edit the ini file and
of course it did not work. I went into the properties and I can't seem
to find a way to give full access or write permissions to at least
administrator so that I can save the changes I made to the ini file.
Anyone have an idea as to how or what I should do to edit this please?

Thanks much
On 2/20/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:

Hey.

I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep
mucking with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to put it
in one's user data location would certainly be nice. And I do not
know if this can be done at all. Anyone?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file?
Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific setings
files.

Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for adjusting
these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn
gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of JM Casey"
<nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of crystallogic@...> wrote:

     Hi Melissa.

     Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough to run
notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using Windows 10
at least. You will have to grant yourself permission to change the
file by taking ownership of it using the attributes in the properties
dialog. To be honest, I don't 100% understand how ownership rites in
Windows 10 function.
I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting, which is
the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft changing it back
again.
Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this
particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.

     Where exactly the file is depends on what you are
using....whether you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer Core1
voices? Each voice has its own ini. The file I edited was at this path
location:
     C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
     And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
     M1033David.INI


     The lines you are looking ror are these two:
     IntonationPhraseBoundary=
     SentenceBoundary=

     I do not remember what the original values were at the moment,
but I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I altered the
sentence boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better to me, though
you may prefer less of a pause. Play around and see what you get and
what you like.

     If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are
resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on the list
may understand this better than I do. It's one of those things which
I thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a Windows ini file
showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works.
Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.



     -----Original Message-----
     From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Melissa Jean
     Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
     To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
     Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

     This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this purchase.
I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to worry
about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.

     I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn me off
from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing updating the ini
file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.

     What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line found to
edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
     Sorry for the barrage of questions.

     Thank you
     On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
     > I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at least
absolutely

     > have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he pauses
between
     > sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after a
period is

     > completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still, at
least you can adjust it.
     > Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered it back
to
     > original setting at least three times now, and I've had to
change it
     > back.
     >
     >
     >
     > -----Original Message-----
     > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
     > Rosemarie Chavarria
     > Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
     > Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
     >
     > Hi, David,
     >
     > Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.
     >
     > Rosemarie
     >
     >
     >
     > -----Original Message-----
     > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
     > James Robinson
     > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
     > Cc: blindtech@groups.io; win10@groups.io
     > Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
     >
     > Hello!
     >
     > You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of
deactivating
     > constantly.  I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have
in
     > NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as
Eloquence or

     > the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little better than
the
     > standard NVDA voice in my opinion.  I think CodeFactory could make
     > this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other screen
readers.
     > They end up making the program far too much trouble to use in NVDA
     > than it is worth.  I'll just eat the cost because I don't
expect them

     > to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the voices.
     > I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the future.
     >
     > Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers? If
so, how

     > do we do it?
     >
     > James Robinson
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >

























 







 


Re: NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

Gene
 

Don't try to use object navigation, document navigation or screen  review.  They are the last resort and won't work most of the time.  Be on the button in browse mode.  Route the mouse to the current location, numpad insert and while holding it, press numpad slash.  Then release both keys.  Then left click with numpad slash.  You should always try this when space bar and then enter fail.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2018 12:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

Hey folks,
Has any one had success playing music on the bandcamp web site?
Here's a link to a page.
Try and activate any of the play/pause buttons with space or nvda
enter and nothing happens. My wife confirms that she can click with
the mouse and getit to play.
I'm pasting a link to a band called "screenreader' because I thought
that was appropriate. :)


https://screenreader.bandcamp.com/



Re: can't get into preferences

Chris
 

Try another reboot see if that works

 

 

From: Brice Mijares
Sent: 04 March 2018 19:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] can't get into preferences

 

Earlier I went into preferences and unchecked NVDA at log in screen and

unchecked  load automatically after bootup. The reason I did this is

that NVDA was taking longer than usual to completly load. After I

rebooted the machine and loaded NVDA manually, I couldn't get into

preferences to recheck these to check boxes. Any Ideas before I have to

uninstall and reinstall? thanks.

 

 

 


Re: NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

John Isige
 

1. Get to a play button, I do this with the arrow keys.


2. Hit NVDA-numpad slash.


3. Hit numpad-slash.


4. Hear music come from your noise-making thingies.


I should add, this is in Firefox.

On 3/4/2018 12:55, Rusty Perez wrote:
Hey folks,
Has any one had success playing music on the bandcamp web site?
Here's a link to a page.
Try and activate any of the play/pause buttons with space or nvda
enter and nothing happens. My wife confirms that she can click with
the mouse and getit to play.
I'm pasting a link to a band called "screenreader' because I thought
that was appropriate. :)


https://screenreader.bandcamp.com/


can't get into preferences

Brice Mijares
 

Earlier I went into preferences and unchecked NVDA at log in screen and unchecked load automatically after bootup. The reason I did this is that NVDA was taking longer than usual to completly load. After I rebooted the machine and loaded NVDA manually, I couldn't get into preferences to recheck these to check boxes. Any Ideas before I have to uninstall and reinstall? thanks.


Re: NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Yeah, I'm noticing the same thing, and am stuck.
It is working with JAWS 18.
On my old machine I could never get the bandcamp player to play either.

If there's no solution to this, we should probably bring this up with Bandcamp support.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rusty Perez
Sent: March 4, 2018 2:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

More info.
When I try to focus the play button by navigating with object review or document review mode, nvda reports "off screen"
I'm pretty novice at these review modes so can someone tell me what's going on here, and what I may be able to do to fix this?
I'm thinking of releasing some of my music on bandcamp, but not if it's not accessible. :)

Rusty


On 3/4/18, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey folks,
Has any one had success playing music on the bandcamp web site?
Here's a link to a page.
Try and activate any of the play/pause buttons with space or nvda
enter and nothing happens. My wife confirms that she can click with
the mouse and getit to play.
I'm pasting a link to a band called "screenreader' because I thought
that was appropriate. :)


https://screenreader.bandcamp.com/




Re: NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

Rusty Perez
 

More info.
When I try to focus the play button by navigating with object review
or document review mode, nvda reports "off screen"
I'm pretty novice at these review modes so can someone tell me what's
going on here, and what I may be able to do to fix this?
I'm thinking of releasing some of my music on bandcamp, but not if
it's not accessible. :)

Rusty

On 3/4/18, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey folks,
Has any one had success playing music on the bandcamp web site?
Here's a link to a page.
Try and activate any of the play/pause buttons with space or nvda
enter and nothing happens. My wife confirms that she can click with
the mouse and getit to play.
I'm pasting a link to a band called "screenreader' because I thought
that was appropriate. :)


https://screenreader.bandcamp.com/




NVDA doesn't work with bandcamp web site

Rusty Perez
 

Hey folks,
Has any one had success playing music on the bandcamp web site?
Here's a link to a page.
Try and activate any of the play/pause buttons with space or nvda
enter and nothing happens. My wife confirms that she can click with
the mouse and getit to play.
I'm pasting a link to a band called "screenreader' because I thought
that was appropriate. :)


https://screenreader.bandcamp.com/


Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

I guess you are right. I used to be able to do this with XP and an SB card. Now that I’ve looked, I can’t find a master tone control setting in Win 10/Realtech. I just use equalizers in players like Winamp and VlC to control tone, as well as my analog subwoofer control. I suppose it’s lucky that the voice synthesis coming out of my headphones when I wear them isn’t so bassy that it bothers my ears.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: March 3, 2018 2:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

 

I've never seen such adjustments in the volume settings.  I've seen an accessible equalizer in one sound card ai've used and still use as an internal soundcard on an XP machine.  But that feature isn't in the volume settings.  It's in an interface specific to that sound card.  My impression is that, even where such a feature may exist, it is often not accessible.  I have no idea what may be available in the case of the headphones but if my experience with one sound card can be generalized from, and I don't know if it can, it may be in an interface specific to the headphones.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2018 11:24 AM

Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

 

Hi.

I'm somewhat familiar with overly bassy headphones, but not, I think the type you have described. All my headphones have always used RCA plugs or the other small jack whose designation I can't recall at the moment, and have plugged either directly into the sound card or into the connected speakers themselves.

Do you have a speakers or volume icon in your system tray? I believe you can also get to this through sound in  control panel. There should be  bass/trebble adjustment sliders there at the very least, as well as a general volume setting.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa Jean
Sent: March 3, 2018 12:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

I looked when I first plugged it in. It was the first thing I had looked for. I only recall seeing something about Microsoft headphones and there being a combo box that would go to the Microsoft store if I opened it. I will have to look at it again when I get a chance to. I was not able to find anything like that.

Melissa
> On Mar 3, 2018, at 10:30 AM, Tyler Spivey <tspivey@...> wrote:
>
> Have you tried disabling the audio enhancements? In the Sound control
> panel, press Properties on your headset, see if it has an Enhancements
> tab. There should be a checkbox in there called Disable all
> enhancements. Check it.
>
>> On 3/3/2018 8:04 AM, Melissa Jean wrote:
>> I wanted a headset. I also in particular about how to wear this
>> headset--I prefer behind the head. I used my jaws trial and it did
>> not do the same things that my synthesizer for NVDA did. I have 30
>> days left still to either get used to it or choose a different set. I
>> might try and find the same model but using just a regular plug-in. I
>> think I might look into getting eloquence--I'm hoping the other
>> version that is not the ad on version works better. Thank you for
>> taking the time to give me some opinions.
>>
>> Melissa
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2018, at 6:37 AM, Gene <gsasner@...
>> <mailto:gsasner@...>> wrote:
>>
>>> You might do better, and it would be simplir and perhaps cheaper, to
>>> get a simple pair of headphones you plug into the output jack of a
>>> sound card.  Just regular headphones that you can use with any
>>> standard output jack.  Many times, settings, if they are available
>>> to change bass and trebble are inaccessible in sound card software.
>>> Just getting a cheap pair of headphones might be the best solution.
>>> For convenience, you could get an extension cable with a volume knob
>>> so you can leave the computer volume setting the same.
>>>
>>> If you want headphones for serious music listening you could get
>>> good standard headphones or good USB headphones but just for
>>> screen-reader use, just a cheap pair, maybe ten or fifteen U.S.
>>> dollars, might be fine.  I haven't listened to really cheap
>>> headphones so you might want to spend a little more.  If there is a
>>> store near you where you can buy headphones and it has a good return
>>> policy, that would allow you to return them more conveniently than by shipping them back somewhere.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Melissa Jean <mailto:Melissa.J.Hammitt@...>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 03, 2018 5:35 AM
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> *Subject:* Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up
>>> on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)
>>>
>>> Yes, these are USB headphones. I have gone through the sound setting
>>> to see if I can adjust them separately since they are basically
>>> their own sound card, but I have not been able to find something
>>> that would change the amount of base it is putting out.
>>>
>>> Melissa
>>>
>>> On Mar 3, 2018, at 12:59 AM, Gene <gsasner@...
>>> <mailto:gsasner@...>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are you using USB speakers and a USB headphone as well?
>>>>
>>>> Gene
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> *From:* Melissa Jean <mailto:Melissa.J.Hammitt@...>
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2018 9:21 PM
>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up
>>>> on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)
>>>>
>>>> I figured it out. It helped to use the JAWS trial I had to do it.
>>>> It picks up more than NVDA does.
>>>> However the voices are ... odd. I'm hearing another voice when I'm
>>>> typing and don't know what it is. It is a tad laggy when it comes
>>>> to my typing.
>>>> Oh, well... I will have to figure it out or get a newer headset,
>>>> lol.This new one has a lot of bass to it that I can't turn off. It
>>>> also clips off the first letter of most lines, words, and button
>>>> for some reason when I use the add that shall not be named which is
>>>> why I looked into this again.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your help, appreciate it.
>>>>
>>>> On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...
>>>> <mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:
>>>>> Hey again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, now that you mention it, I remember that list box where you
>>>> have to
>>>>> select being somewhat too silent with NVDA. I think I had better
>>>> luck with
>>>>> JAWS 18, which I also have on this computer. I think I'll try
>>>> playing with
>>>>> it again and see exactly what happens. This is something that NVDA
>>>> users
>>>>> should certainly be able to do without trouble.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did not download that .exe file. It seemed like a better idea to
>>>> just use
>>>>> the Windows interface to do this. I think the source is
>>>>> trustworthy
>>>> but I'm
>>>>> not positive, and you'd have to give the program admin rights to
>>>> muck about
>>>>> with your file permissions, so I dunno.
>>>>>
>>>>> The good news is that Windows actually comes with a take ownership
>>>> utility.
>>>>> It's called takeown.exe and I didn't know about it until recently.
>>>> The bad
>>>>> news (possibly) is that it's command line only, so you'll have to
>>>> get the
>>>>> syntax right and everything. You'd have to run in command prompt,
>>>>> administrator, or in powershell. I took a quick look at the usage
>>>> info with
>>>>> "takeown /?" and, maybe because it's Friday evening and my brain
>>>>> is
>>>> fried
>>>>> trying to apply to jobs, but as of now I can't make head nor tail
>>>> of it. If
>>>>> you're familiar with Windows command line applications though,
>>>>> this
>>>> could be
>>>>> a no-brainer for you. It's been a long time since I had to tinker
>>>> much with
>>>>> such things.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa
>>>>> Jean
>>>>> Sent: March 2, 2018 5:48 PM
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up
>>>>> on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for that. I got most of it, but I guess I had been missing
>>>> something
>>>>> when I was trying.
>>>>> Have you tried using the take ownership exe they suggested? I
>>>>> admit
>>>> that I
>>>>> wanted to try that because I'm having trouble selecting things
>>>> while going
>>>>> through the properties/security window.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...
>>>> <mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hey Melissa.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rather than try to duplicate what I did before, I'm just going to
>>>>>> paste this URL for you. If you follow these instructions, I'm 99%
>>>>>> sure you will be able to get it to work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-take-ownership-and-get-full-acces
>>>>>> s-to-
>>>>>> files-and-folders-in-windows-10/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Melissa Jean
>>>>>> Sent: March 2, 2018 2:52 PM
>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up
>>>>>> on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry for being late to reply to this email. I got a new headset
>>>>>> and it doesn't seem to be playing well with the synth I am using
>>>>>> and wanted to use the microsoft voices.... I went to edit the ini
>>>>>> file and of course it did not work. I went into the properties
>>>>>> and I can't seem to find a way to give full access or write
>>>>>> permissions to at least administrator so that I can save the changes I made to the ini file.
>>>>>> Anyone have an idea as to how or what I should do to edit this please?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks much
>>>>>> On 2/20/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...
>>>> <mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep
>>>>>>> mucking with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to
>>>>>>> put it in one's user data location would certainly be nice. And
>>>>>>> I do not know if this can be done at all. Anyone?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Cohn, Jonathan
>>>>>>> Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
>>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving
>>>>>>> up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file?
>>>>>>> Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific
>>>>>>> setings files.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for
>>>>>>> adjusting these rather than the ini file.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Wishes,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>>>>>> gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Wishes,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of JM Casey"
>>>>>>> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of
>>>> crystallogic@... <mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Hi Melissa.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough
>>>>>>> to run notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using
>>>>>>> Windows 10 at least. You will have to grant yourself permission
>>>>>>> to change the file by taking ownership of it using the
>>>>>>> attributes in the properties dialog. To be honest, I don't 100%
>>>>>>> understand how ownership rites in Windows 10 function.
>>>>>>> I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting,
>>>>>>> which is the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft
>>>>>>> changing it back again.
>>>>>>> Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this
>>>>>>> particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Where exactly the file is depends on what you are
>>>>>>> using....whether you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer
>>>>>>> Core1 voices? Each voice has its own ini. The file I edited was
>>>>>>> at this
>>>> path
>>>>>>> location:
>>>>>>>      C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
>>>>>>>      And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
>>>>>>>      M1033David.INI
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      The lines you are looking ror are these two:
>>>>>>>      IntonationPhraseBoundary=
>>>>>>>      SentenceBoundary=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      I do not remember what the original values were at the
>>>>>>> moment, but I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I
>>>>>>> altered the sentence boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better
>>>>>>> to me, though you may prefer less of a pause. Play around and
>>>>>>> see what you get and what you like.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are
>>>>>>> resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on the
>>>>>>> list may understand this better than I do. It's one of those
>>>>>>> things which I thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a
>>>>>>> Windows ini file showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works.
>>>>>>> Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>      From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Melissa Jean
>>>>>>>      Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
>>>>>>>      To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>      Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this
>>>> purchase.
>>>>>>> I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to
>>>>>>> worry about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn
>>>>>>> me off from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing
>>>>>>> updating the ini file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line
>>>>>>> found to edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
>>>>>>>      Sorry for the barrage of questions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Thank you
>>>>>>>      On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...
>>>> <mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:
>>>>>>>      > I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at
>>>>>>> least absolutely
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      > have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he
>>>>>>> pauses between
>>>>>>>      > sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after
>>>>>>> a period is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      > completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still,
>>>>>>> at least you can adjust it.
>>>>>>>      > Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered
>>>>>>> it
>>>> back
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>      > original setting at least three times now, and I've had
>>>>>>> to change it
>>>>>>>      > back.
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>      > -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>      > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>>>>>> Of
>>>>>>>      > Rosemarie Chavarria
>>>>>>>      > Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
>>>>>>>      > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>      > Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>      > Hi, David,
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>      > Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>      > Rosemarie
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>      > -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>      > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>>>>>> Of
>>>>>>>      > James Robinson
>>>>>>>      > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
>>>>>>>      > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>      > Cc: blindtech@groups.io <mailto:blindtech@groups.io>;
>>>> win10@groups.io <mailto:win10@groups.io>
>>>>>>>      > Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>      > Hello!
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>      > You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of
>>>>>>> deactivating
>>>>>>>      > constantly.  I checked out one of the Microsoft voices
>>>>>>> they
>>>> have
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>      > NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as
>>>>>>> Eloquence or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      > the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little
>>>>>>> better than the
>>>>>>>      > standard NVDA voice in my opinion.  I think CodeFactory
>>>> could make
>>>>>>>      > this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other
>>>>>>> screen readers.
>>>>>>>      > They end up making the program far too much trouble to
>>>>>>> use
>>>> in NVDA
>>>>>>>      > than it is worth.  I'll just eat the cost because I don't
>>>>>>> expect them
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      > to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the
>>>> voices.
>>>>>>>      > I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the
>>>> future.
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>      > Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows
>>>>>>> offers?  If so, how
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      > do we do it?
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>      > James Robinson
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>
>
>






Re: browser question for NVDA

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 

thank u all

----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] browser question for NVDA


hi.
just in brows mode, deactivate use screen layout when supported or press nvda+v
you dont need to do anything for removing clusters i think!
i sometimes recieve this message and dont anything.
i think its for reader mode.

On 3/4/18, Governor staten <govsta@gmail.com> wrote:
You should have created a new subject so that threads are not confused.
People are more likely to read your message, and answer, if it is a
separate subject line. I cannot see how the message you're replying to
is even close to what you are asking about.



------------------------------------------------------------------------


On 3/4/2018 11:53 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:
hi all
i am using firefox ESR
with NVDA
NVDA reads everything together on a website
when i am on a website, NVDA says remove cluster to read the text, how
do i do this?

----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2018 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)


Headsets don't usualy have drivers they work off generic drivers or
something some do have drivers but the interfaces don't work with
access the drivers do.




On 4/03/2018 5:04 a.m., Melissa Jean wrote:
I wanted a headset. I also in particular about how to wear this
headset--I prefer behind the head. I used my jaws trial and it did
not do the same things that my synthesizer for NVDA did. I have 30
days left still to either get used to it or choose a different set.
I might try and find the same model but using just a regular
plug-in. I think I might look into getting eloquence--I'm hoping the
other version that is not the ad on version works better. Thank you
for taking the time to give me some opinions.

Melissa
On Mar 3, 2018, at 6:37 AM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:

You might do better, and it would be simplir and perhaps cheaper,
to get a simple pair of headphones you plug into the output jack of
a sound card. Just regular headphones that you can use with any
standard output jack. Many times, settings, if they are available
to change bass and trebble are inaccessible in sound card
software. Just getting a cheap pair of headphones might be the
best solution. For convenience, you could get an extension cable
with a volume knob so you can leave the computer volume setting the
same.

If you want headphones for serious music listening you could get
good standard headphones or good USB headphones but just for
screen-reader use, just a cheap pair, maybe ten or fifteen U.S.
dollars, might be fine. I haven't listened to really cheap
headphones so you might want to spend a little more. If there is a
store near you where you can buy headphones and it has a good
return policy, that would allow you to return them more
conveniently than by shipping them back somewhere.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Melissa Jean
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2018 5:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up
on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Yes, these are USB headphones. I have gone through the sound
setting to see if I can adjust them separately since they are
basically their own sound card, but I have not been able to find
something that would change the amount of base it is putting out.

Melissa

On Mar 3, 2018, at 12:59 AM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:

Are you using USB speakers and a USB headphone as well?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Melissa Jean
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 9:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up
on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

I figured it out. It helped to use the JAWS trial I had to do it. It
picks up more than NVDA does.
However the voices are ... odd. I'm hearing another voice when I'm
typing and don't know what it is. It is a tad laggy when it comes to
my typing.
Oh, well... I will have to figure it out or get a newer headset,
lol.This new one has a lot of bass to it that I can't turn off. It
also clips off the first letter of most lines, words, and button for
some reason when I use the add that shall not be named which is why I
looked into this again.

Thanks for your help, appreciate it.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@ca.inter.net> wrote:
Hey again.

Yes, now that you mention it, I remember that list box where you
have to
select being somewhat too silent with NVDA. I think I had better
luck with
JAWS 18, which I also have on this computer. I think I'll try
playing with
it again and see exactly what happens. This is something that
NVDA users
should certainly be able to do without trouble.

I did not download that .exe file. It seemed like a better idea
to just use
the Windows interface to do this. I think the source is
trustworthy but I'm
not positive, and you'd have to give the program admin rights to
muck about
with your file permissions, so I dunno.

The good news is that Windows actually comes with a take
ownership utility.
It's called takeown.exe and I didn't know about it until
recently. The bad
news (possibly) is that it's command line only, so you'll have to
get the
syntax right and everything. You'd have to run in command prompt,
administrator, or in powershell. I took a quick look at the usage
info with
"takeown /?" and, maybe because it's Friday evening and my brain
is fried
trying to apply to jobs, but as of now I can't make head nor tail
of it. If
you're familiar with Windows command line applications though,
this could be
a no-brainer for you. It's been a long time since I had to tinker
much with
such things.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Melissa
Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 5:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Thanks for that. I got most of it, but I guess I had been missing
something
when I was trying.
Have you tried using the take ownership exe they suggested? I
admit that I
wanted to try that because I'm having trouble selecting things
while going
through the properties/security window.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@ca.inter.net> wrote:
Hey Melissa.

Rather than try to duplicate what I did before, I'm just going to
paste this URL for you. If you follow these instructions, I'm
99% sure
you will be able to get it to work.

https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-take-ownership-and-get-full-access-to-


files-and-folders-in-windows-10/

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Melissa Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving
up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Sorry for being late to reply to this email. I got a new headset
and
it doesn't seem to be playing well with the synth I am using and
wanted to use the microsoft voices.... I went to edit the ini
file and
of course it did not work. I went into the properties and I
can't seem
to find a way to give full access or write permissions to at least
administrator so that I can save the changes I made to the ini
file.
Anyone have an idea as to how or what I should do to edit this
please?

Thanks much
On 2/20/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@ca.inter.net> wrote:
Hey.

I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep
mucking with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to
put it
in one's user data location would certainly be nice. And I do not
know if this can be done at all. Anyone?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving
up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file?
Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific
setings
files.

Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for
adjusting
these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn
gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of JM Casey"
<nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of crystallogic@ca.inter.net>
wrote:

Hi Melissa.

Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough
to run
notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using
Windows 10
at least. You will have to grant yourself permission to change the
file by taking ownership of it using the attributes in the
properties
dialog. To be honest, I don't 100% understand how ownership
rites in
Windows 10 function.
I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting,
which is
the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft changing it
back
again.
Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this
particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.

Where exactly the file is depends on what you are
using....whether you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer
Core1
voices? Each voice has its own ini. The file I edited was at
this path
location:
C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
M1033David.INI


The lines you are looking ror are these two:
IntonationPhraseBoundary=
SentenceBoundary=

I do not remember what the original values were at the
moment,
but I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I altered the
sentence boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better to me, though
you may prefer less of a pause. Play around and see what you
get and
what you like.

If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are
resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on
the list
may understand this better than I do. It's one of those things
which
I thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a Windows ini
file
showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally
works.
Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On
Behalf
Of Melissa Jean
Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this
purchase.
I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to
worry
about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.

I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn
me off
from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing updating
the ini
file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.

What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line
found to
edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
Sorry for the barrage of questions.

Thank you
On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@ca.inter.net> wrote:
I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at least
absolutely

have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he
pauses
between
sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after a
period is

completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still, at
least you can adjust it.
Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered
it back
to
original setting at least three times now, and I've had to
change it
back.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf
Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

Hi, David,

Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf
Of
James Robinson
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: blindtech@groups.io; win10@groupsio
Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

Hello!

You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of
deactivating
constantly. I checked out one of the Microsoft voices
they have
in
NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as
Eloquence or

the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little
better than
the
standard NVDA voice in my opinion. I think CodeFactory
could make
this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other screen
readers.
They end up making the program far too much trouble to
use in NVDA
than it is worth. I'll just eat the cost because I don't
expect them

to do anything about the crazy requirements for using
the voices.
I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the
future.

Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows
offers? If
so, how

do we do it?

James Robinson





































--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: browser question for NVDA

 

hi.
just in brows mode, deactivate use screen layout when supported or press nvda+v
you dont need to do anything for removing clusters i think!
i sometimes recieve this message and dont anything.
i think its for reader mode.

On 3/4/18, Governor staten <govsta@gmail.com> wrote:
You should have created a new subject so that threads are not confused.
People are more likely to read your message, and answer, if it is a
separate subject line. I cannot see how the message you're replying to
is even close to what you are asking about.



------------------------------------------------------------------------


On 3/4/2018 11:53 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:
hi all
i am using firefox ESR
with NVDA
NVDA reads everything together on a website
when i am on a website, NVDA says remove cluster to read the text, how
do i do this?

----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2018 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)


Headsets don't usualy have drivers they work off generic drivers or
something some do have drivers but the interfaces don't work with
access the drivers do.




On 4/03/2018 5:04 a.m., Melissa Jean wrote:
I wanted a headset. I also in particular about how to wear this
headset--I prefer behind the head. I used my jaws trial and it did
not do the same things that my synthesizer for NVDA did. I have 30
days left still to either get used to it or choose a different set.
I might try and find the same model but using just a regular
plug-in. I think I might look into getting eloquence--I'm hoping the
other version that is not the ad on version works better. Thank you
for taking the time to give me some opinions.

Melissa
On Mar 3, 2018, at 6:37 AM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:

You might do better, and it would be simplir and perhaps cheaper,
to get a simple pair of headphones you plug into the output jack of
a sound card.  Just regular headphones that you can use with any
standard output jack.  Many times, settings, if they are available
to change bass and trebble are inaccessible in sound card
software.  Just getting a cheap pair of headphones might be the
best solution.  For convenience, you could get an extension cable
with a volume knob so you can leave the computer volume setting the
same.

If you want headphones for serious music listening you could get
good standard headphones or good USB headphones but just for
screen-reader use, just a cheap pair, maybe ten or fifteen U.S.
dollars, might be fine.  I haven't listened to really cheap
headphones so you might want to spend a little more.  If there is a
store near you where you can buy headphones and it has a good
return policy, that would allow you to return them more
conveniently than by shipping them back somewhere.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Melissa Jean
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2018 5:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up
on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Yes, these are USB headphones. I have gone through the sound
setting to see if I can adjust them separately since they are
basically their own sound card, but I have not been able to find
something that would change the amount of base it is putting out.

Melissa

On Mar 3, 2018, at 12:59 AM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:

Are you using USB speakers and a USB headphone as    well?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Melissa Jean
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 9:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up
on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

I figured it out. It helped to use the JAWS trial I had to do it. It
picks up more than NVDA does.
However the voices are ... odd. I'm hearing another voice when I'm
typing and don't know what it is. It is a tad laggy when it comes to
my typing.
Oh, well... I will have to figure it out or get a newer headset,
lol.This new one has a lot of bass to it that I can't turn off. It
also clips off the first letter of most lines, words, and button for
some reason when I use the add that shall not be named which is why I
looked into this again.

Thanks for your help, appreciate it.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@ca.inter.net> wrote:
Hey again.

Yes, now that you mention it, I remember that list box where you
have to
select being somewhat too silent with NVDA. I think I had better
luck with
JAWS 18, which I also have on this computer. I think I'll try
playing with
it again and see exactly what happens. This is something that
NVDA users
should certainly be able to do without trouble.

I did not download that .exe file. It seemed like a better idea
to just use
the Windows interface to do this. I think the source is
trustworthy but I'm
not positive, and you'd have to give the program admin rights to
muck about
with your file permissions, so I dunno.

The good news is that Windows actually comes with a take
ownership utility.
It's called takeown.exe and I didn't know about it until
recently. The bad
news (possibly) is that it's command line only, so you'll have to
get the
syntax right and everything. You'd have to run in command prompt,
administrator, or in powershell. I took a quick look at the usage
info with
"takeown /?" and, maybe because it's Friday evening and my brain
is fried
trying to apply to jobs, but as of now I can't make head nor tail
of it. If
you're familiar with Windows command line applications though,
this could be
a no-brainer for you. It's been a long time since I had to tinker
much with
such things.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Melissa
Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 5:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Thanks for that. I got most of it, but I guess I had been missing
something
when I was trying.
Have you tried using the take ownership exe they suggested? I
admit that I
wanted to try that because I'm having trouble selecting things
while going
through the properties/security window.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@ca.inter.net> wrote:
Hey Melissa.

Rather than try to duplicate what I did before, I'm just going to
paste this URL for you. If you follow these instructions, I'm
99% sure
you will be able to get it to work.

https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-take-ownership-and-get-full-access-to-


files-and-folders-in-windows-10/

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Melissa Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving
up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Sorry for being late to reply to this email. I got a new headset
and
it doesn't seem to be playing well with the synth I am using and
wanted to use the microsoft voices.... I went to edit the ini
file and
of course it did not work. I went into the properties and I
can't seem
to find a way to give full access or write permissions to at least
administrator so that I can save the changes I made to the ini
file.
Anyone have an idea as to how or what I should do to edit this
please?

Thanks much
On 2/20/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@ca.inter.net> wrote:
Hey.

I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep
mucking with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to
put it
in one's user data location would certainly be nice. And I do not
know if this can be done at all. Anyone?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving
up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file?
Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific
setings
files.

Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for
adjusting
these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn
gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of JM Casey"
<nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of crystallogic@ca.inter.net>
wrote:

     Hi Melissa.

     Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough
to run
notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using
Windows 10
at least. You will have to grant yourself permission to change the
file by taking ownership of it using the attributes in the
properties
dialog. To be honest, I don't 100% understand how ownership
rites in
Windows 10 function.
I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting,
which is
the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft changing it
back
again.
Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this
particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.

     Where exactly the file is depends on what you are
using....whether you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer
Core1
voices? Each voice has its own ini. The file I edited was at
this path
location:
     C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
     And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
     M1033David.INI


     The lines you are looking ror are these two:
     IntonationPhraseBoundary=
     SentenceBoundary=

     I do not remember what the original values were at the
moment,
but I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I altered the
sentence boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better to me, though
you may prefer less of a pause. Play around and see what you
get and
what you like.

     If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are
resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on
the list
may understand this better than I do. It's one of those things
which
I thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a Windows ini
file
showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally
works.
Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.



     -----Original Message-----
     From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On
Behalf
Of Melissa Jean
     Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
     To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
     Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

     This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this
purchase.
I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to
worry
about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.

     I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn
me off
from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing updating
the ini
file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.

     What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line
found to
edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
     Sorry for the barrage of questions.

     Thank you
     On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@ca.inter.net> wrote:
     > I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at least
absolutely

     > have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he
pauses
between
     > sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after a
period is

     > completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still, at
least you can adjust it.
     > Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered
it back
to
     > original setting at least three times now, and I've had to
change it
     > back.
     >
     >
     >
     > -----Original Message-----
     > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf
Of
     > Rosemarie Chavarria
     > Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
     > Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
     >
     > Hi, David,
     >
     > Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.
     >
     > Rosemarie
     >
     >
     >
     > -----Original Message-----
     > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf
Of
     > James Robinson
     > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
     > Cc: blindtech@groups.io; win10@groups.io
     > Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
     >
     > Hello!
     >
     > You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of
deactivating
     > constantly.  I checked out one of the Microsoft voices
they have
in
     > NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as
Eloquence or

     > the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little
better than
the
     > standard NVDA voice in my opinion.  I think CodeFactory
could make
     > this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other screen
readers.
     > They end up making the program far too much trouble to
use in NVDA
     > than it is worth.  I'll just eat the cost because I don't
expect them

     > to do anything about the crazy requirements for using
the voices.
     > I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the
future.
     >
     > Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows
offers? If
so, how

     > do we do it?
     >
     > James Robinson
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >



























--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: browser question for NVDA

 

You should have created a new subject so that threads are not confused. People are more likely to read your message, and answer, if it is a separate subject line. I cannot see how the message you're replying to is even close to what you are asking about.





On 3/4/2018 11:53 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:
hi all
i am using firefox ESR
with NVDA
NVDA reads everything together on a website
when i am on a website, NVDA says remove cluster to read the text, how do i do this?

----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2018 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)


Headsets don't usualy have drivers they work off generic drivers or something some do have drivers but the interfaces don't work with access the drivers do.




On 4/03/2018 5:04 a.m., Melissa Jean wrote:
I wanted a headset. I also in particular about how to wear this headset--I prefer behind the head. I used my jaws trial and it did not do the same things that my synthesizer for NVDA did. I have 30 days left still to either get used to it or choose a different set. I might try and find the same model but using just a regular plug-in. I think I might look into getting eloquence--I'm hoping the other version that is not the ad on version works better. Thank you for taking the time to give me some opinions.

Melissa
On Mar 3, 2018, at 6:37 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

You might do better, and it would be simplir and perhaps cheaper, to get a simple pair of headphones you plug into the output jack of a sound card.  Just regular headphones that you can use with any standard output jack.  Many times, settings, if they are available to change bass and trebble are inaccessible in sound card software.  Just getting a cheap pair of headphones might be the best solution.  For convenience, you could get an extension cable with a volume knob so you can leave the computer volume setting the same.

If you want headphones for serious music listening you could get good standard headphones or good USB headphones but just for screen-reader use, just a cheap pair, maybe ten or fifteen U.S. dollars, might be fine.  I haven't listened to really cheap headphones so you might want to spend a little more.  If there is a store near you where you can buy headphones and it has a good return policy, that would allow you to return them more conveniently than by shipping them back somewhere.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Melissa Jean
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2018 5:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Yes, these are USB headphones. I have gone through the sound setting to see if I can adjust them separately since they are basically their own sound card, but I have not been able to find something that would change the amount of base it is putting out.

Melissa

On Mar 3, 2018, at 12:59 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Are you using USB speakers and a USB headphone as    well?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Melissa Jean
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 9:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

I figured it out. It helped to use the JAWS trial I had to do it. It
picks up more than NVDA does.
However the voices are ... odd. I'm hearing another voice when I'm
typing and don't know what it is. It is a tad laggy when it comes to
my typing.
Oh, well... I will have to figure it out or get a newer headset,
lol.This new one has a lot of bass to it that I can't turn off. It
also clips off the first letter of most lines, words, and button for
some reason when I use the add that shall not be named which is why I
looked into this again.

Thanks for your help, appreciate it.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
Hey again.

Yes, now that you mention it, I remember that list box where you have to
select being somewhat too silent with NVDA. I think I had better luck with
JAWS 18, which I also have on this computer. I think I'll try playing with
it again and see exactly what happens. This is something that NVDA users
should certainly be able to do without trouble.

I did not download that .exe file. It seemed like a better idea to just use
the Windows interface to do this. I think the source is trustworthy but I'm
not positive, and you'd have to give the program admin rights to muck about
with your file permissions, so I dunno.

The good news is that Windows actually comes with a take ownership utility.
It's called takeown.exe and I didn't know about it until recently. The bad
news (possibly) is that it's command line only, so you'll have to get the
syntax right and everything. You'd have to run in command prompt,
administrator, or in powershell. I took a quick look at the usage info with
"takeown /?" and, maybe because it's Friday evening and my brain is fried
trying to apply to jobs, but as of now I can't make head nor tail of it. If
you're familiar with Windows command line applications though, this could be
a no-brainer for you. It's been a long time since I had to tinker much with
such things.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa
Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 5:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Thanks for that. I got most of it, but I guess I had been missing something
when I was trying.
Have you tried using the take ownership exe they suggested? I admit that I
wanted to try that because I'm having trouble selecting things while going
through the properties/security window.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
Hey Melissa.

Rather than try to duplicate what I did before, I'm just going to
paste this URL for you. If you follow these instructions, I'm 99% sure
you will be able to get it to work.

https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-take-ownership-and-get-full-access-to-
files-and-folders-in-windows-10/

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Melissa Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Sorry for being late to reply to this email. I got a new headset and
it doesn't seem to be playing well with the synth I am using and
wanted to use the microsoft voices.... I went to edit the ini file and
of course it did not work. I went into the properties and I can't seem
to find a way to give full access or write permissions to at least
administrator so that I can save the changes I made to the ini file.
Anyone have an idea as to how or what I should do to edit this please?

Thanks much
On 2/20/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
Hey.

I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep
mucking with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to put it
in one's user data location would certainly be nice. And I do not
know if this can be done at all. Anyone?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file?
Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific setings
files.

Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for adjusting
these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn
gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of JM Casey"
<nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of crystallogic@...> wrote:

     Hi Melissa.

     Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough to run
notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using Windows 10
at least. You will have to grant yourself permission to change the
file by taking ownership of it using the attributes in the properties
dialog. To be honest, I don't 100% understand how ownership rites in
Windows 10 function.
I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting, which is
the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft changing it back
again.
Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this
particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.

     Where exactly the file is depends on what you are
using....whether you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer Core1
voices? Each voice has its own ini. The file I edited was at this path
location:
     C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
     And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
     M1033David.INI


     The lines you are looking ror are these two:
     IntonationPhraseBoundary=
     SentenceBoundary=

     I do not remember what the original values were at the moment,
but I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I altered the
sentence boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better to me, though
you may prefer less of a pause. Play around and see what you get and
what you like.

     If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are
resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on the list
may understand this better than I do. It's one of those things which
I thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a Windows ini file
showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works.
Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.



     -----Original Message-----
     From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Melissa Jean
     Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
     To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
     Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

     This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this purchase.
I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to worry
about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.

     I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn me off
from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing updating the ini
file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.

     What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line found to
edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
     Sorry for the barrage of questions.

     Thank you
     On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
     > I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at least
absolutely

     > have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he pauses
between
     > sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after a
period is

     > completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still, at
least you can adjust it.
     > Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered it back
to
     > original setting at least three times now, and I've had to
change it
     > back.
     >
     >
     >
     > -----Original Message-----
     > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
     > Rosemarie Chavarria
     > Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
     > Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
     >
     > Hi, David,
     >
     > Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.
     >
     > Rosemarie
     >
     >
     >
     > -----Original Message-----
     > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
     > James Robinson
     > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
     > Cc: blindtech@groups.io; win10@groups.io
     > Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
     >
     > Hello!
     >
     > You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of
deactivating
     > constantly.  I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have
in
     > NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as
Eloquence or

     > the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little better than
the
     > standard NVDA voice in my opinion.  I think CodeFactory could make
     > this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other screen
readers.
     > They end up making the program far too much trouble to use in NVDA
     > than it is worth.  I'll just eat the cost because I don't
expect them

     > to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the voices.
     > I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the future.
     >
     > Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers? If
so, how

     > do we do it?
     >
     > James Robinson
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >







































browser question for NVDA

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 

hi all
i am using firefox ESR
with NVDA
NVDA reads everything together on a website
when i am on a website, NVDA says remove cluster to read the text, how do i do this?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2018 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)


Headsets don't usualy have drivers they work off generic drivers or something some do have drivers but the interfaces don't work with access the drivers do.




On 4/03/2018 5:04 a.m., Melissa Jean wrote:
I wanted a headset. I also in particular about how to wear this headset--I prefer behind the head. I used my jaws trial and it did not do the same things that my synthesizer for NVDA did. I have 30 days left still to either get used to it or choose a different set. I might try and find the same model but using just a regular plug-in. I think I might look into getting eloquence--I'm hoping the other version that is not the ad on version works better. Thank you for taking the time to give me some opinions.

Melissa
On Mar 3, 2018, at 6:37 AM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:

You might do better, and it would be simplir and perhaps cheaper, to get a simple pair of headphones you plug into the output jack of a sound card. Just regular headphones that you can use with any standard output jack. Many times, settings, if they are available to change bass and trebble are inaccessible in sound card software. Just getting a cheap pair of headphones might be the best solution. For convenience, you could get an extension cable with a volume knob so you can leave the computer volume setting the same.

If you want headphones for serious music listening you could get good standard headphones or good USB headphones but just for screen-reader use, just a cheap pair, maybe ten or fifteen U.S. dollars, might be fine. I haven't listened to really cheap headphones so you might want to spend a little more. If there is a store near you where you can buy headphones and it has a good return policy, that would allow you to return them more conveniently than by shipping them back somewhere.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Melissa Jean
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2018 5:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Yes, these are USB headphones. I have gone through the sound setting to see if I can adjust them separately since they are basically their own sound card, but I have not been able to find something that would change the amount of base it is putting out.

Melissa

On Mar 3, 2018, at 12:59 AM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:

Are you using USB speakers and a USB headphone as well?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Melissa Jean
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 9:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

I figured it out. It helped to use the JAWS trial I had to do it. It
picks up more than NVDA does.
However the voices are ... odd. I'm hearing another voice when I'm
typing and don't know what it is. It is a tad laggy when it comes to
my typing.
Oh, well... I will have to figure it out or get a newer headset,
lol.This new one has a lot of bass to it that I can't turn off. It
also clips off the first letter of most lines, words, and button for
some reason when I use the add that shall not be named which is why I
looked into this again.

Thanks for your help, appreciate it.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@ca.inter.net> wrote:
Hey again.

Yes, now that you mention it, I remember that list box where you have to
select being somewhat too silent with NVDA. I think I had better luck with
JAWS 18, which I also have on this computer. I think I'll try playing with
it again and see exactly what happens. This is something that NVDA users
should certainly be able to do without trouble.

I did not download that .exe file. It seemed like a better idea to just use
the Windows interface to do this. I think the source is trustworthy but I'm
not positive, and you'd have to give the program admin rights to muck about
with your file permissions, so I dunno.

The good news is that Windows actually comes with a take ownership utility.
It's called takeown.exe and I didn't know about it until recently. The bad
news (possibly) is that it's command line only, so you'll have to get the
syntax right and everything. You'd have to run in command prompt,
administrator, or in powershell. I took a quick look at the usage info with
"takeown /?" and, maybe because it's Friday evening and my brain is fried
trying to apply to jobs, but as of now I can't make head nor tail of it. If
you're familiar with Windows command line applications though, this could be
a no-brainer for you. It's been a long time since I had to tinker much with
such things.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa
Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 5:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Thanks for that. I got most of it, but I guess I had been missing something
when I was trying.
Have you tried using the take ownership exe they suggested? I admit that I
wanted to try that because I'm having trouble selecting things while going
through the properties/security window.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@ca.inter.net> wrote:
Hey Melissa.

Rather than try to duplicate what I did before, I'm just going to
paste this URL for you. If you follow these instructions, I'm 99% sure
you will be able to get it to work.

https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-take-ownership-and-get-full-access-to-
files-and-folders-in-windows-10/

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Melissa Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Sorry for being late to reply to this email. I got a new headset and
it doesn't seem to be playing well with the synth I am using and
wanted to use the microsoft voices.... I went to edit the ini file and
of course it did not work. I went into the properties and I can't seem
to find a way to give full access or write permissions to at least
administrator so that I can save the changes I made to the ini file.
Anyone have an idea as to how or what I should do to edit this please?

Thanks much
On 2/20/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@ca.inter.net> wrote:
Hey.

I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep
mucking with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to put it
in one's user data location would certainly be nice. And I do not
know if this can be done at all. Anyone?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file?
Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific setings
files.

Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for adjusting
these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn
gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of JM Casey"
<nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of crystallogic@ca.inter.net> wrote:

Hi Melissa.

Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough to run
notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using Windows 10
at least. You will have to grant yourself permission to change the
file by taking ownership of it using the attributes in the properties
dialog. To be honest, I don't 100% understand how ownership rites in
Windows 10 function.
I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting, which is
the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft changing it back
again.
Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this
particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.

Where exactly the file is depends on what you are
using....whether you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer Core1
voices? Each voice has its own ini. The file I edited was at this path
location:
C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
M1033David.INI


The lines you are looking ror are these two:
IntonationPhraseBoundary=
SentenceBoundary=

I do not remember what the original values were at the moment,
but I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I altered the
sentence boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better to me, though
you may prefer less of a pause. Play around and see what you get and
what you like.

If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are
resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on the list
may understand this better than I do. It's one of those things which
I thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a Windows ini file
showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works.
Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Melissa Jean
Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this purchase.
I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to worry
about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.

I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn me off
from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing updating the ini
file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.

What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line found to
edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
Sorry for the barrage of questions.

Thank you
On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@ca.inter.net> wrote:
> I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at least
absolutely

> have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he pauses
between
> sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after a
period is

> completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still, at
least you can adjust it.
> Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered it
back
to
> original setting at least three times now, and I've had to
change it
> back.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On
Behalf
Of
> Rosemarie Chavarria
> Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hi, David,
>
> Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On
Behalf
Of
> James Robinson
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Cc: blindtech@groups.io; win10@groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hello!
>
> You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of
deactivating
> constantly. I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they
have
in
> NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as
Eloquence or

> the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little better
than
the
> standard NVDA voice in my opinion. I think CodeFactory could
make
> this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other screen
readers.
> They end up making the program far too much trouble to use in
NVDA
> than it is worth. I'll just eat the cost because I don't
expect them

> to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the
voices.
> I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the
future.
>
> Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers?
If
so, how

> do we do it?
>
> James Robinson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>