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Re: google chrome: problem only in the first page, can you try?

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If you switch away, say to desktop then back does thepage work then?
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From: "Simone Dal Maso" <simone.dalmaso@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 10:01 AM
Subject: [nvda] google chrome: problem only in the first page, can you try?


Hello,
I'm using google chrome with a blank page as main page.
When I open Chrome, then I press alt-d to go to address bar and then I search something.
As a result, I see the page loaded into the screen, but NVDA is not able to read the content, it says busy document.
I should open another page, for example m.facebook.com, then return to address bar and search something again, and now it works.
Do you have the same issues?



Re: my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

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The info we need is, for example in the web browsers is it the page info that is not reading, ie does the pull down menu system work. In outlook which bits work and which do not.

Its all a need to pinpoint where the problem lies. The fact that Jaws still works only means that its interacting with the system in a different way, you might find in fact that other applications have issues with jaws.
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From: "Moty Azrad" <motiaz@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10


Chris,



I worte here some times that NVDA does not work with, google chrome, or firefox.esr, or MS Outlook 2010 Etc.

Again, I hope some one helps me. Gene worte here that this problem had been discussed here and the solution was written here but up to now, I didn't get any solution.

Thanks and hope for more support.



Thanks much again.



Moti



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10



What is not working properly???

Without further information its all going to be a guess









From: Arlene <mailto:nedster66@gmail.com>
Sent: 05 February 2018 22:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10



Hi, this person's having this problem with win ten.



-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra

Sent: February-05-18 6:47 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10



hello.

just disk clean up does not cause problem for nvda.

i use disk clean up on windows xp, c drive only and have no issue with nvda.



On 2/5/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:

You have evidently removed a program that unregistered some dll files.
How to reregister them has been discussed on the list before. I
didn't keep the information and I'll leave it to others to tell you
where to find it, as to how to reregister them. It's a simple
procedure and it will probably solve your problem.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Moty Azrad
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 6:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN
WINDOWS10
Dear all,
I have windows10 home edition 64 bits.
Jaws 2018 works very well.
Nvda, 2017.4 or any snapshot, don't work properly.
My question:
Every month, I am doing disk cleanup and use the file system cleaning too.
I delete it and make after that defrag or optimize my SSD C: drive.
can NVDA be damaged with this action I'm doing monthly?
Again, Jaws is not damaged and works very well but NVDA, does not work
properly with some programs as: firefox, google chrome, ms outlook
2010 Etc.
I use to delete my restore points and create manually one.
Thanks for any explanation or help for my isuue with NVDA.
Moti




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Re: NVDA question

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Is there a way as in previous versions oof office to place recognised text in a new word document?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 2:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question


Hi Kerryn,

I copied this from last October's In-Process re using OCR. Basically:

To do OCR with NVDA 2017.4 on Windows 10:
1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.
2. Press *NVDA+r*. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports
“Result document”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text
recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around
this just like a document in WordPad. Press *NVDA+down arrow* (laptop:
*NVDA+a*) to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press *control+home* to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press *down arrow* to move through and read the text line by line.
6. When finished, press *escape* to exit the virtual document.

Or, using Windows 7 or 8 OR NVDA earlier than 2017.3:
1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.
2. Press *NVDA+r*. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports
“Done”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text
recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around
this using the review cursor. Press *numpad plus* (laptop: *NVDA+shift+a*)
to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press *shift+numpad 7* (laptop: *NVDA+control+home*) to move to the top
of the virtual document.
5. Press *numpad 9* (laptop: *NVDA+down arrow*) to move through and read
the text line by line.

The article is: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-5th-october-2017/

With regard to "utilising the mouse arrow", could you please clarify
exactly what you are trying to do? Yes it is possible to do several things
either with the mouse, or to the mouse and with further information, I can
give you steps for that also.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <
k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:

1 how to use NVDA to do OCR? say for pdf documents
2 with jaws the mouse arrow is utilised, could the mouse arrow be used
with NVDA?
hey devin could u contact me privately?
email is
k_gunness@yahoo.ca
thanks

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@gmail.com>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Sent:* Sunday, February 4, 2018 6:18 PM
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

I like the idea too, along with voice changes or sounds to denote
different attributes, such as style changes in word and email, or HTML
elements on the web.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by
World Services for the Blind

On Feb 4, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:

This actually reminds me of JFW in that an attachment was detected and for
me I had a sliding tone play so I could know what was going on very
quickly. I like the idea actually.

On Feb 4, 2018, at 3:12 AM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:

You are assuming a sound would be wanted for every punctuation sign. And
at least in Engglish and many languages, there aren't that many. Period,
question mark, colon, semicolon quotation marks and you might want a sound
for ellipsis. You could have more sounds as well. You could have sounds
in the pronunciation dictionary so you can assign sounds for whatever you
want. The user could even put sound files in the program if he/she doesn't
like what is provided. Now let's see what kinds of sounds we might have.
Bell, whistle, door close, door open, chime, and all sorts of variations
such as high pitch bell, low pitch bell, car dor, a door such as in a
house, and other people may come up with all sorts of other examples. The
world is full of distinctive sounds. And JAWS has had such a feature for
probably over a dedcade so this is not at all a novel idea.

Gene
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*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

No maybe not but this would need a lot of sounds and I question how easy it

might be to come up with enough of them to be easy to recognise.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


The user would select the sound for the specific punctuation. There
wouldn't be preassigned sounds.

Gene
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Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


I'm sure you were aware that there was a now dead comedian who made a lot
of
money with his monologues where he substituted sounds for Punctuation!
Victor Borge'

Now my one problem with having a mode like this is, given the number of
different marks and their meaning in different circumstances in different
languages, it could need one heck of a lot of individual sounds to cover
them all. I do know what you are getting at different sorts of brackets and
colons etc, are main candidates, with underscores being also useful.

Maybe this is add on territory ie a programmers version as most of us
prefer
not to hear these greater thans etc all over the place, but obviously such
things are important in programming as are brackets and indents etc.
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From: "Tony Malykh" <anton.malykh@gmail.com <anton.malykh@gmailcom>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


Hello all,

Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a
developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of
punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren ..." I wish
to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to
do
so in NVDA?

Thanks
Tony













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Re: my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

Gene
 

People can tell you how to attempt to solve the problem.  It sounds to me like the problem of unregistered dll files.  Aside from that, you don't have to reset Windows if you can't solve the problem by registering the dll files again if you have system restore on and if you have a restore point from before the problem began.  You should have system restore on or some other reversion system available.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Moty Azrad
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

Chris,

 

I am using NVDA for some years and now my NVDA DOES NOT WORK PROPERLY.

I CAN USE IT LITTLE BIT FOR READING DOCUMENTS WITH ms word but many other programs do't work.

 

I see that no one may help and I will have to go to reset my PC to solve that problem.

 

Thanks

 

Moti

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 11:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

What does or doesnt nvda do specifically?

 

 

From: Moty Azrad
Sent: 06 February 2018 07:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

Chris,

 

I worte here some times that NVDA does not work with, google chrome, or firefox.esr, or MS Outlook 2010 Etc.

Again, I hope some one helps me. Gene worte here that this problem had been discussed here and the solution was written here but up to now, I didn't get any solution.

Thanks and hope for more support.

 

Thanks much again.

 

Moti

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

What is not working properly???

Without further information its all going to be a guess

 

 

 

 

From: Arlene
Sent: 05 February 2018 22:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

Hi, this person's having this problem with win ten.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra

Sent: February-05-18 6:47 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

hello.

just disk clean up does not cause problem for nvda.

i use disk clean up on windows xp, c drive only and have no issue with nvda.

 

On 2/5/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> You have evidently removed a program that unregistered some dll files.

> How to reregister them has been discussed on the list before.  I

> didn't keep the information and I'll leave it to others to tell you

> where to find it, as to how to reregister them.  It's a simple

> procedure and it will probably solve your problem.

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Moty Azrad

> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 6:07 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN

> WINDOWS10

> Dear all,

> I have windows10 home edition 64 bits.

> Jaws 2018 works very well.

> Nvda, 2017.4 or any snapshot, don't work properly.

> My question:

> Every month, I am doing disk cleanup and use the file system cleaning too.

> I delete it and  make after that defrag or optimize my SSD C: drive.

> can NVDA be damaged with this action I'm doing monthly?

> Again, Jaws is not damaged and works very well but NVDA, does not work

> properly with some programs as: firefox, google chrome, ms outlook

> 2010 Etc.

> I use to delete my restore points and create manually one.

> Thanks for any explanation or help for my isuue with NVDA.

> Moti

 

 

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in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:

indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.

best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Outlook 2013 and NVDA locking on password prompt

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Yes I've seen something similar on network password on windows 7, but its not always doing it. Sounds like a focus issue.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Pranav Lal" <pranav.lal@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 12:47 AM
Subject: [nvda] Outlook 2013 and NVDA locking on password prompt


Hi all,

I use Outlook 2013 at work on Windows 10. If I connect to my work e-mail
from a network other than my work network, I am asked for a password. This
window comes up as a separate window on the computer. If I switch focus to
that window using alt+tab, NVDA tells me that it is not responding. I am
unable to enter any text in it but I can read the window title using nvda
key + t.

If someone clicks with the mouse to get focus to that window, I am able to
enter my password.

Has anyone else encountered this? I am using NVDA 2017.4.

Pranav



Re: my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

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Actually ccleaner does not really do much optimising, so is safe on ssds, it just clears out clutter in both the files and registry.
I'd not use one of the third party defrag and optimiser on an ssd as it often does multiple read writes to the disc.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10


Well optimising your ssd is supposed to shorten its life.

I have not noticed dammage while cleaning things to anything but google some of the chrome extentions can get dammaged.

I clear my restores every 6 months.

You shouldn't need to clean things every month.

I run ccleaner each session and at the end of the day to clear any potential nastys out of my temp locations.

I get a lot of malware in my temp locations which I don't care much if someone gets in there as I am always clearing that out of my temp locations.

As for disk cleanup every 6 munths or so.

Most of it is small fry, temp locations, and a few other things.

The biggest waste of space are old windows updates and logs.

If you ever clear windows defender its going to say your system is not secure and prompt you to scan till you do because its got nothing to show its been activated or anything so I don't clear this.

As for restore points, I clear points every so often, I do clear all points before a major windows update and make another.

What I wish was for ms to clear all recovery partitons which were not the current windows update, yeah I know I can do this via partid but I'd like a guid thing or an automated things to clear out well partitions and resize things accordingly which are not manufacturer or the latest windows upgrade partition.

To be honest I don't know why ms doesn't do it itself when upgrading why leave a lot of non functional 500mb partitions at all.




On 6/02/2018 1:07 a.m., Moty Azrad wrote:
Dear all,


I have windows10 home edition 64 bits.

Jaws 2018 works very well.

Nvda, 2017.4 or any snapshot, don't work properly.

My question:

Every month, I am doing disk cleanup and use the file system cleaning too.

I delete it and make after that defrag or optimize my SSD C: drive.

can NVDA be damaged with this action I'm doing monthly?

Again, Jaws is not damaged and works very well but NVDA, does not work
properly with some programs as: firefox, google chrome, ms outlook 2010 Etc.

I use to delete my restore points and create manually one.


Thanks for any explanation or help for my isuue with NVDA.

Moti



Re: my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

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I doubt very much if it cares which windows it is, one can get similar weird stuff on them all.

I think he needs to be more specific with the actual failings.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10


Hi, this person's having this problem with win ten.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: February-05-18 6:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

hello.
just disk clean up does not cause problem for nvda.
i use disk clean up on windows xp, c drive only and have no issue with nvda.

On 2/5/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
You have evidently removed a program that unregistered some dll files.
How to reregister them has been discussed on the list before. I
didn't keep the information and I'll leave it to others to tell you
where to find it, as to how to reregister them. It's a simple
procedure and it will probably solve your problem.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Moty Azrad
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 6:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN
WINDOWS10


Dear all,



I have windows10 home edition 64 bits.

Jaws 2018 works very well.

Nvda, 2017.4 or any snapshot, don't work properly.

My question:

Every month, I am doing disk cleanup and use the file system cleaning too.

I delete it and make after that defrag or optimize my SSD C: drive.

can NVDA be damaged with this action I'm doing monthly?

Again, Jaws is not damaged and works very well but NVDA, does not work
properly with some programs as: firefox, google chrome, ms outlook
2010 Etc.

I use to delete my restore points and create manually one.



Thanks for any explanation or help for my isuue with NVDA.

Moti


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Re: my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

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The problem with Jaws is that it costs a packet, and so do the updates.

I'm sure the problem is not complex, but as is most things on computers, pinpointing the actual cause needs some logic applied to the diagnostics and only try one thing at a time.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10


Noti, I hope they find or you find a work around for NVDA to work with your
win ten system. Good thing you have jaws 18. It's good to have a back up
screen reader should one go gunnybag.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Moty
Azrad
Sent: February-05-18 8:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN
WINDOWS10

Hello Brain and Gene and others,

First, thanks for your trying to help.
To answer your questions brian:
I sure turn off Jaws and works with NVDA ONLY.
Second, the problem with NVDA OCCURS WITH ALL THE SYNTHS THAT I TRIED.
With Espeak, Microsoft Sapi 5 Etc.
Nvda does not work properly with Google Chrome too and firefox.esr and with
Outlook 2010 program.
I believe that NVDA IS DAMAGED AND I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO REPAIR IT OR TO
RESET MY PC.
To reset my pc, I will go when I don't have any other solution.
But again, Jaws 2018 works very well with all the programs I have in my pc.

If my problem was discussed here, I'll be happy to get the solution as Gene
worte here and I'll be much thankful for any help.

Moti

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Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 5:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN
WINDOWS10

Not really, but if we knew what exactly the issue you are having is,
somebody might be able to give you an educated guess as to what is going on.

Do you have the latest version of the windows 10 essentials add on
installed?
Also which synth are you using and do you turn off jaws when using nvda.
However a really detailed description of the problem is what we need on
cases like this.
Brian

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From: "Moty Azrad" <motiaz@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 05, with Microsoft Sapi 5 Etc.
I installed and reinstalled NVDA MANY TIMES BUT THIS PROGRAM DOES NOT WORK
NO12:07 PM
Subject: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN
WINDOWS10


Dear all,



I have windows10 home edition 64 bits.

Jaws 2018 works very well.

Nvda, 2017.4 or any snapshot, don't work properly.

My question:

Every month, I am doing disk cleanup and use the file system cleaning too.

I delete it and make after that defrag or optimize my SSD C: drive.

can NVDA be damaged with this action I'm doing monthly?

Again, Jaws is not damaged and works very well but NVDA, does not work
properly with some programs as: firefox, google chrome, ms outlook
2010 Etc.

I use to delete my restore points and create manually one.



Thanks for any explanation or help for my isuue with NVDA.

Moti










Re: CCleaner and NVDA

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It works well some focus issues but nothing serious at all that I can see, though use the portable version rather than the installed on in case it installs Avast without asking, and its a swine to remove.
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From: "Steve Nomer" <swnomer@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 5:22 PM
Subject: [nvda] CCleaner and NVDA


Has anyone had experience using CCleaner with NVDA?


Thanks,


Steve



Re: my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

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Hmm, well, I do not know enough about Outlook to comment, but this sounds to me like it might be windows related.
When we said reset, what we meant was that if you found it used to work and now it does not, if you could take your machine back to a date before it went wrong in nvda, then it worked, job solved, if not then there is probably an issue with nvda.
Try creating a portable copy from a new version of the download. OK so some things it cannot read since its not an installed copy but if it behaves as expected, it most probably means there is corruption somewhere in the installed copy. Somebody later on explains how to reset it. Also although you do not use add ons, did you perhaps set up a profile?

That should also show up if it works with a portable copy too.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Moty Azrad" <motiaz@gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10


Hello Brain and Gene and others,

First, thanks for your trying to help.
To answer your questions brian:
I sure turn off Jaws and works with NVDA ONLY.
Second, the problem with NVDA OCCURS WITH ALL THE SYNTHS THAT I TRIED.
With Espeak, Microsoft Sapi 5 Etc.
Nvda does not work properly with Google Chrome too and firefox.esr and with
Outlook 2010 program.
I believe that NVDA IS DAMAGED AND I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO REPAIR IT OR TO
RESET MY PC.
To reset my pc, I will go when I don't have any other solution.
But again, Jaws 2018 works very well with all the programs I have in my pc.

If my problem was discussed here, I'll be happy to get the solution as Gene
worte here and I'll be much thankful for any help.

Moti

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WINDOWS10

Not really, but if we knew what exactly the issue you are having is,
somebody might be able to give you an educated guess as to what is going on.

Do you have the latest version of the windows 10 essentials add on
installed?
Also which synth are you using and do you turn off jaws when using nvda.
However a really detailed description of the problem is what we need on
cases like this.
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Sent: Monday, February 05, with Microsoft Sapi 5 Etc.
I installed and reinstalled NVDA MANY TIMES BUT THIS PROGRAM DOES NOT WORK
NO12:07 PM
Subject: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN
WINDOWS10


Dear all,



I have windows10 home edition 64 bits.

Jaws 2018 works very well.

Nvda, 2017.4 or any snapshot, don't work properly.

My question:

Every month, I am doing disk cleanup and use the file system cleaning too.

I delete it and make after that defrag or optimize my SSD C: drive.

can NVDA be damaged with this action I'm doing monthly?

Again, Jaws is not damaged and works very well but NVDA, does not work
properly with some programs as: firefox, google chrome, ms outlook
2010 Etc.

I use to delete my restore points and create manually one.



Thanks for any explanation or help for my isuue with NVDA.

Moti







Re: Logging how NVDA tracks focus

Felix G.
 

I agree! That's why I am searching for a way to log all events which could, in principle, mean that the focus has changed. Given such logging facilities, we could then compare the cases in which it works to those in which it doesn't.

Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> schrieb am Di., 6. Feb. 2018 um 14:18 Uhr:

Well without some idea of why things are being not seen, its very hard to be
specific, even back in the xp days some machines were more prone to the
problem without any kind of observable difference affecting anything else.
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From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@...>
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Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Logging how NVDA tracks focus


> Hello Brian,
> thank you for the additional information. My original question was not
> touched upon here and therefore remains open.
> Best regards,
> Felix
>
> Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
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> schrieb am Mo., 5. Feb. 2018 um 16:43 Uhr:
>
>> Yess look at the log, often at least in the case of Firefox i see core
>> frozen in stack messages and this I think means that nvda is unable to
>> intercept the data it needs to tell what is going on.
>>
>> However a move away and back normally puts it back. In a way what nvda
>> needs
>> is to protect enough running resources to always allow it to run when
>> other
>> software momentarily gobbles up the computer processor time.This, I
>> suspect
>> needs to be sorted by Microsoft. jaws, I fancy has some kind of system
>> different to nnvda in this respect. Core frozen in stack has been with us
>> for ever.
>>  Brian
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 1:56 PM
>> Subject: [nvda] Logging how NVDA tracks focus
>>
>>
>> > Hello,
>> > I am currently searching for clues why NVDA sometimes fails to track
>> > focus.
>> > Remember those moments when you launch a program, a window opens but
>> > NVDA
>> > doesn't announce it, even insisting you are still on the desktop when
>> > you
>> > ask it via NVDA+t? Or those times when it just says "Mozilla Firefox,"
>> > ignoring that focus has long since moved on to the address bar? The
>> common
>> > denominator of all these scenarios is this: NVDA has lost track of the
>> > focus, believing it where it once was rather than where it is now.
>> > The proof can be found by pressing NVDA+f1 in those cases, requesting
>> > technical information about the current navigator object. If we assume
>> > NVDA
>> > is configured so that the navigator object follows focus, this
>> > technical
>> > information should always indicate that the object in question indeed
>> > has
>> > focus. And in most cases it does. Just not in those special cases I'm
>> > trying to hunt down. In those instances, I am always rewarded with the
>> > line:
>> > hasFocus: False
>> > So, even though the navigator object has been set up to follow the
>> > focus,
>> > it has somehow ended up on an object which doesn't have focus. Or to
>> > put
>> > this differently: Focus has moved on, leaving the navigator object
>> > trailing
>> > behind like a shadow at sunset.
>> > Which makes me wonder: Is there a way to log how NVDA tracks focus? In
>> > other words, is there a way to tell NVDA to log each incoming event
>> > which
>> > makes it think the focus has changed, and also where it thinks it went?
>> > The
>> > time has come that we once and for all find out where things go wrong.
>> > Is
>> > it a UIA event that never arrives? One which arrives but has wrong
>> > parameters? One which arrives but is incorrectly interpreted?
>> > I tried setting the log level to debug but in the resulting logs I saw
>> > nothing pertaining to focus events. That's why I'm asking.
>> > All the best,
>> > Felix
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>





Re: Logging how NVDA tracks focus

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Well without some idea of why things are being not seen, its very hard to be specific, even back in the xp days some machines were more prone to the problem without any kind of observable difference affecting anything else.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Logging how NVDA tracks focus


Hello Brian,
thank you for the additional information. My original question was not
touched upon here and therefore remains open.
Best regards,
Felix

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schrieb am Mo., 5. Feb. 2018 um 16:43 Uhr:

Yess look at the log, often at least in the case of Firefox i see core
frozen in stack messages and this I think means that nvda is unable to
intercept the data it needs to tell what is going on.

However a move away and back normally puts it back. In a way what nvda
needs
is to protect enough running resources to always allow it to run when other
software momentarily gobbles up the computer processor time.This, I suspect
needs to be sorted by Microsoft. jaws, I fancy has some kind of system
different to nnvda in this respect. Core frozen in stack has been with us
for ever.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 1:56 PM
Subject: [nvda] Logging how NVDA tracks focus


Hello,
I am currently searching for clues why NVDA sometimes fails to track
focus.
Remember those moments when you launch a program, a window opens but NVDA
doesn't announce it, even insisting you are still on the desktop when you
ask it via NVDA+t? Or those times when it just says "Mozilla Firefox,"
ignoring that focus has long since moved on to the address bar? The
common
denominator of all these scenarios is this: NVDA has lost track of the
focus, believing it where it once was rather than where it is now.
The proof can be found by pressing NVDA+f1 in those cases, requesting
technical information about the current navigator object. If we assume
NVDA
is configured so that the navigator object follows focus, this technical
information should always indicate that the object in question indeed has
focus. And in most cases it does. Just not in those special cases I'm
trying to hunt down. In those instances, I am always rewarded with the
line:
hasFocus: False
So, even though the navigator object has been set up to follow the focus,
it has somehow ended up on an object which doesn't have focus. Or to put
this differently: Focus has moved on, leaving the navigator object
trailing
behind like a shadow at sunset.
Which makes me wonder: Is there a way to log how NVDA tracks focus? In
other words, is there a way to tell NVDA to log each incoming event which
makes it think the focus has changed, and also where it thinks it went?
The
time has come that we once and for all find out where things go wrong. Is
it a UIA event that never arrives? One which arrives but has wrong
parameters? One which arrives but is incorrectly interpreted?
I tried setting the log level to debug but in the resulting logs I saw
nothing pertaining to focus events. That's why I'm asking.
All the best,
Felix




Re: important to read before installing c cleaner

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Might I just point out that Ccleaner still has a zip file portable version on their web site. this will run from anywhere you like and absolutely does not have anny rubbish. It is true that Avast now own it, but they only put that installer in the exe version so avast can be avoided by using said portable version.
This is what they told me anyway.
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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 8:57 AM
Subject: [nvda] important to read before installing c cleaner


Gene has some good precortionary information about installing c cleaner. I would like to add a little more to this information. Many of these free programs, whether they be slim versions, light versions, or portable,in recent times are coming loaded with mal ware. This wasn't always the case and there may be still some that are free of malware but now this depends on how the programmer compiles the installer.Here's what you can do, use an unzipping program, I like 7 zip, try to unzip the installer of the program that you want to install. If that works out, you'll have a folder with all the files including the main executable. Most of the time you could just run the program, there won't be any malware to worry about because you didn't use the installer to install the program.When you run the program this way, in most cases it will create a settings/data folder for it's operation, letting you know about the folder that there's nothing to worry about. In fact it could be a good thing if there's setting files such as i n i files that you might want to edit.I don't want to get to far a field, but I want to say something else. Just this last week, Roger was having problem with cdex to run in windows 10. Well it was either that day or the next day, I did a little looking around and found the latest version of cdex, it is v1.99, at the time had been out less than 24 hours. I donloded both versions, the main and portable versions, and both versions are loaded with malware, however if you can't uncheck the box of which there's 2 or 3, if you can't uncheck them using your screen reader, The good news is you could just unzip this one and run it. It runs very fast and smooth, under the very latest windows 10 64 bit. When you first run it, it will create that settings/data folder, and the great news is that you can edit the i n i files to your liking.This is very good if your main drive is ssd and you want your music folder to be on the drive, that's not your main drive. The only other thing I think and Roger has probably checked this is, is to go in the settings and make sure the burner you want to rip from is the one that is selected. If not selected, go ahead and select it.In closing if I can help in any way with any of this. Just let us know. If anyone wants it, I can zip up my copy and put it up on sendspace. Thanks for reading and happy safe computing.
Wayne
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Re: NVDA question

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 


hi quentin
i forgot, to do OCR using NVDA an addon has to be downloded or can be used just with the installation?
 
kerryn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

Hi Kerryn,

I copied this from last October's In-Process re using OCR.  Basically:

To do OCR with NVDA 2017.4 on Windows 10:
1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.
2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Result document”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this just like a document in WordPad. Press NVDA+down arrow (laptop: NVDA+a) to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press control+home to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press down arrow to move through and read the text line by line.
6. When finished, press escape to exit the virtual document.

Or, using Windows 7 or 8 OR NVDA earlier than 2017.3:
1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.
2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Done”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this using the review cursor. Press numpad plus (laptop: NVDA+shift+a) to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press shift+numpad 7 (laptop: NVDA+control+home) to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press numpad 9 (laptop: NVDA+down arrow) to move through and read the text line by line.


With regard to "utilising the mouse arrow", could you please clarify exactly what you are trying to do?  Yes it is possible to do several things either with the mouse, or to the mouse and with further information, I can give you steps for that also.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness@...> wrote:
1 how to use NVDA to do OCR? say for pdf documents
2 with jaws the mouse arrow is utilised, could the mouse arrow be used with NVDA?
hey devin could u contact me privately?
email is
thanks
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

I like the idea too, along with voice changes or sounds to denote different attributes, such as style changes in word and email, or HTML elements on the web.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World Services for the Blind

On Feb 4, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

This actually reminds me of JFW in that an attachment was detected and for me I had a sliding tone play so I could know what was going on very quickly. I like the idea actually.

On Feb 4, 2018, at 3:12 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

You are assuming a sound would be wanted for every punctuation sign.  And at least in Engglish and many languages, there aren't that many.  Period, question mark, colon, semicolon quotation marks and you might want a sound for ellipsis.  You could have more sounds as well.  You could have sounds in the pronunciation dictionary so you can assign sounds for whatever you want.  The user could even put sound files in the program if he/she doesn't like what is provided.  Now let's see what kinds of sounds we might have  Bell, whistle, door close, door open, chime, and all sorts of variations such as high pitch bell, low pitch bell, car dor, a door such as in a house, and other people may come up with all sorts of other examples.  The world is full of distinctive sounds.  And JAWS has had such a feature for probably over a dedcade so this is not at all a novel idea.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 2:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

No maybe not but this would need a lot of sounds and I question how easy it 
might be to come up with enough of them to be easy to recognise.
 Brian

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
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Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


The user would select the sound for the specific punctuation.  There 
wouldn't be preassigned sounds.

Gene
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Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


I'm sure you were aware that there was a now dead comedian who made a lot of
money with his monologues where he substituted sounds for Punctuation!
Victor Borge'

Now my one problem with having a mode like this is, given the number of
different marks and their meaning in different circumstances in different
languages, it could need one heck of a  lot of individual sounds to cover
them all. I do know what you are getting at different sorts of brackets and
colons etc, are main candidates, with underscores being also useful.

Maybe this is add on territory ie a programmers version as most of us prefer
not to hear these greater thans etc all over the place, but obviously such
things are important in programming as are brackets and indents etc.
 Brian

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From: "Tony Malykh" <anton.malykh@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


> Hello all,
>
> Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a
> developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of
> punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren .." I wish
> to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to do
> so in NVDA?
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
>
>











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Re: NVDA question

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 


hi quentin
thank u very much
with regards to the mouse arrow and NVDA, i was talking about can NVDA be used to operate the mouse cursor?
 
kerryn
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

Hi Kerryn,

I copied this from last October's In-Process re using OCR.  Basically:

To do OCR with NVDA 2017.4 on Windows 10:
1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.
2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Result document”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this just like a document in WordPad. Press NVDA+down arrow (laptop: NVDA+a) to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press control+home to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press down arrow to move through and read the text line by line.
6. When finished, press escape to exit the virtual document.

Or, using Windows 7 or 8 OR NVDA earlier than 2017.3:
1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.
2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Done”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this using the review cursor. Press numpad plus (laptop: NVDA+shift+a) to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press shift+numpad 7 (laptop: NVDA+control+home) to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press numpad 9 (laptop: NVDA+down arrow) to move through and read the text line by line.


With regard to "utilising the mouse arrow", could you please clarify exactly what you are trying to do?  Yes it is possible to do several things either with the mouse, or to the mouse and with further information, I can give you steps for that also.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness@...> wrote:
1 how to use NVDA to do OCR? say for pdf documents
2 with jaws the mouse arrow is utilised, could the mouse arrow be used with NVDA?
hey devin could u contact me privately?
email is
thanks
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

I like the idea too, along with voice changes or sounds to denote different attributes, such as style changes in word and email, or HTML elements on the web.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World Services for the Blind

On Feb 4, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

This actually reminds me of JFW in that an attachment was detected and for me I had a sliding tone play so I could know what was going on very quickly. I like the idea actually.

On Feb 4, 2018, at 3:12 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

You are assuming a sound would be wanted for every punctuation sign.  And at least in Engglish and many languages, there aren't that many.  Period, question mark, colon, semicolon quotation marks and you might want a sound for ellipsis.  You could have more sounds as well.  You could have sounds in the pronunciation dictionary so you can assign sounds for whatever you want.  The user could even put sound files in the program if he/she doesn't like what is provided.  Now let's see what kinds of sounds we might have  Bell, whistle, door close, door open, chime, and all sorts of variations such as high pitch bell, low pitch bell, car dor, a door such as in a house, and other people may come up with all sorts of other examples.  The world is full of distinctive sounds.  And JAWS has had such a feature for probably over a dedcade so this is not at all a novel idea.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 2:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

No maybe not but this would need a lot of sounds and I question how easy it 
might be to come up with enough of them to be easy to recognise.
 Brian

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


The user would select the sound for the specific punctuation.  There 
wouldn't be preassigned sounds.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


I'm sure you were aware that there was a now dead comedian who made a lot of
money with his monologues where he substituted sounds for Punctuation!
Victor Borge'

Now my one problem with having a mode like this is, given the number of
different marks and their meaning in different circumstances in different
languages, it could need one heck of a  lot of individual sounds to cover
them all. I do know what you are getting at different sorts of brackets and
colons etc, are main candidates, with underscores being also useful.

Maybe this is add on territory ie a programmers version as most of us prefer
not to hear these greater thans etc all over the place, but obviously such
things are important in programming as are brackets and indents etc.
 Brian

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Malykh" <anton.malykh@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


> Hello all,
>
> Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a
> developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of
> punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren .." I wish
> to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to do
> so in NVDA?
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
>
>











--
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Training and Support Manager

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Re: my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

Chris
 

What I’m trying to get at is what is the behaviour you are experienceing?

Does it say nothing at all or says gibberish or unknown or something else  etc

 

I’m sorry but saying doesn’t work does not compute with me

 

One thing you could try is to delete/move/rename the profile folder in your c:\users\profile name\appdata\roaming\nvda

 

Then restart nvda which will create anew profile

With defaults see if that helps

 

And of course you did try a reboot firs rightt?

 

Other than that its a guess without further information

 

 

 

From: Moty Azrad
Sent: 06 February 2018 10:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

Chris,

 

I am using NVDA for some years and now my NVDA DOES NOT WORK PROPERLY.

I CAN USE IT LITTLE BIT FOR READING DOCUMENTS WITH ms word but many other programs do't work.

 

I see that no one may help and I will have to go to reset my PC to solve that problem.

 

Thanks

 

Moti

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 11:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

What does or doesnt nvda do specifically?

 

 

From: Moty Azrad
Sent: 06 February 2018 07:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

Chris,

 

I worte here some times that NVDA does not work with, google chrome, or firefox.esr, or MS Outlook 2010 Etc.

Again, I hope some one helps me. Gene worte here that this problem had been discussed here and the solution was written here but up to now, I didn't get any solution.

Thanks and hope for more support.

 

Thanks much again.

 

Moti

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

What is not working properly???

Without further information its all going to be a guess

 

 

 

 

From: Arlene
Sent: 05 February 2018 22:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

Hi, this person's having this problem with win ten.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra

Sent: February-05-18 6:47 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

hello.

just disk clean up does not cause problem for nvda.

i use disk clean up on windows xp, c drive only and have no issue with nvda.

 

On 2/5/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> You have evidently removed a program that unregistered some dll files.

> How to reregister them has been discussed on the list before.  I

> didn't keep the information and I'll leave it to others to tell you

> where to find it, as to how to reregister them.  It's a simple

> procedure and it will probably solve your problem.

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Moty Azrad

> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 6:07 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN

> WINDOWS10

> Dear all,

> I have windows10 home edition 64 bits.

> Jaws 2018 works very well.

> Nvda, 2017.4 or any snapshot, don't work properly.

> My question:

> Every month, I am doing disk cleanup and use the file system cleaning too.

> I delete it and  make after that defrag or optimize my SSD C: drive.

> can NVDA be damaged with this action I'm doing monthly?

> Again, Jaws is not damaged and works very well but NVDA, does not work

> properly with some programs as: firefox, google chrome, ms outlook

> 2010 Etc.

> I use to delete my restore points and create manually one.

> Thanks for any explanation or help for my isuue with NVDA.

> Moti

 

 

--

we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.

holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.

in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:

indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.

best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: important to read before installing CCleaner

 

Well the reason there is so much add ware is that a lot of stuff is free but aint really.

Some stuff is subscription based, some stuff you need to buy.

It will not totally solve the malware issue but if someone is loading loads of adds and stuff in their programs, chances are that they actually do need your cash so if you can I would try to support said dev rather than leach from them.

This may or may not get you out of all the malware, on the other hand you may just get a little more and they may even be happy to talk to you over email.

I have had to buy a few programs to avoid malware, some opensource stuff is full of malware and adds.

The thing is that resources and dev programs are not cheap.

Developers if they can try to keep their stuff free, but they need addware to keep it so and only do it for convenience.

I doubt that anyone actually uses adds for proffit, they don't get them that much but enough.

So if you can afford it grab it.

I do this for 1 offs.

I am not a subscription kind of guy though.

Its a shame adds can't be customised to things we could get in our local countries and then down to what we would hear and read normally in tv  the radio and news paper.

If all the adds that appeared on my system were like this it wouldn't be a problem because I am exposed to these and more on the radio and tv.

The issue is that most adds are for you to get drugs or something or well dodgy programs to fix issues that don't exist and more scams.

I think if we can smarten up the add industry all the spyware issue at least some of it will not be as bad.

On 6/02/2018 8:56 p.m., wayne wrote:
Gene has some good precortionary information about installing c cleaner. I would like to add a little more to this information. Many of these free programs, whether they be slim versions, light versions, or portable,in recent times are coming loaded with mal ware. This wasn't always the case and there may be still some that are free of malware but now this depends on how the programmer compiles the installer.Here's what you can do, use an unzipping program, I like 7 zip, try to unzip the installer of the program that you want to install. If that works out, you'll have a folder with all the files including the main executable. Most of the time you could just run the program, there won't be any malware to worry about because you didn't use the installer to install the program.When you run the program this way, in most cases it will create a settings/data folder for it's operation, letting you know about the folder that there's nothing to worry about. In fact it could be a good thing if there's setting files such as i n i files that you might want to edit.I don't want to get to far a field, but I want to say something else. Just this last week, Roger was having problem with cdex to run in windows 10. Well it was either that day or the next day, I did a little looking around and found the latest version of cdex, it is v1.99, at the time had been out less than 24 hours. I donloded both versions, the main and portable versions, and both versions are loaded with malware, however if you can't uncheck the box of which there's 2 or 3, if you can't uncheck them using your screen reader, The good news is you could just unzip this one and run it. It runs very fast and smooth, under the very latest windows 10 64 bit. When you first run it, it will create that settings/data folder, and the great news is that you can edit the i n i files to your liking.This is very good if your main drive is ssd and you want your music folder to be on the drive, that's not your main drive. The only other thing I think and Roger has probably checked this is, is to go in the settings and make sure the burner you want to rip from is the one that is selected. If not selected, go ahead and select it.In closing if I can help in any way with any of this. Just let us know. If anyone wants it, I can zip up my copy and put it up on sendspace. Thanks for reading and happy safe computing.
Wayne
greenwood33@cox.net


Re: google chrome: problem only in the first page, can you try?

Simone Dal Maso
 

Hello,
as a work around I suggest:
1. don't use a blank webpage. I put google.com and now this problem is gone.
2. gmail is not accessible if you use adblocker or ublock. As a work around, I found this extension that block ads and allow NVDA to use gmail correctly. The only problem now is that must find an antisocial extension in order to hide facebook buttons. The extension for blocking ads is here:

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stop-ads-full-ad-blocking/mmpljmegdkddjkklnheaaldbcblcpjpb?utm_source=chrome-app-launcher-info-dialog

Il 06/02/2018 11:32, P. Otter ha scritto:
yes, what you say is correct, i've the same problem with gmail.google.com.
but there are more things wrong with chrome.
it is very quick, but sometimes .......
cheers
paul otter
Op 6-2-2018 om 11:01 schreef Simone Dal Maso:
Hello,
I'm using google chrome with a blank page as main page.
When I open Chrome, then I press alt-d to go to address bar and then I search something.
As a result, I see the page loaded into the screen, but NVDA is not able to read the content, it says busy document.
I should open another page, for example m.facebook.com, then return to address bar and search something again, and now it works.
Do you have the same issues?





Re: google chrome: problem only in the first page, can you try?

P. Otter
 

yes, what you say is correct, i've the same problem with gmail.google.com.
but there are more things wrong with chrome.
it is very quick, but sometimes .......
cheers
paul otter


Op 6-2-2018 om 11:01 schreef Simone Dal Maso:

Hello,
I'm using google chrome with a blank page as main page.
When I open Chrome, then I press alt-d to go to address bar and then  I search something.
As a result, I see the page loaded into the screen, but NVDA is not able to read the content, it says busy document.
I should open another page, for example m.facebook.com, then return to address bar and search something again, and now it works.
Do you have the same issues?




Re: my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

Moti Azrad
 

Chris,

 

I am using NVDA for some years and now my NVDA DOES NOT WORK PROPERLY.

I CAN USE IT LITTLE BIT FOR READING DOCUMENTS WITH ms word but many other programs do't work.

 

I see that no one may help and I will have to go to reset my PC to solve that problem.

 

Thanks

 

Moti

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 11:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

What does or doesnt nvda do specifically?

 

 

From: Moty Azrad
Sent: 06 February 2018 07:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

Chris,

 

I worte here some times that NVDA does not work with, google chrome, or firefox.esr, or MS Outlook 2010 Etc.

Again, I hope some one helps me. Gene worte here that this problem had been discussed here and the solution was written here but up to now, I didn't get any solution.

Thanks and hope for more support.

 

Thanks much again.

 

Moti

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

What is not working properly???

Without further information its all going to be a guess

 

 

 

 

From: Arlene
Sent: 05 February 2018 22:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

Hi, this person's having this problem with win ten.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra

Sent: February-05-18 6:47 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

hello.

just disk clean up does not cause problem for nvda.

i use disk clean up on windows xp, c drive only and have no issue with nvda.

 

On 2/5/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> You have evidently removed a program that unregistered some dll files.

> How to reregister them has been discussed on the list before.  I

> didn't keep the information and I'll leave it to others to tell you

> where to find it, as to how to reregister them.  It's a simple

> procedure and it will probably solve your problem.

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Moty Azrad

> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 6:07 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN

> WINDOWS10

> Dear all,

> I have windows10 home edition 64 bits.

> Jaws 2018 works very well.

> Nvda, 2017.4 or any snapshot, don't work properly.

> My question:

> Every month, I am doing disk cleanup and use the file system cleaning too.

> I delete it and  make after that defrag or optimize my SSD C: drive.

> can NVDA be damaged with this action I'm doing monthly?

> Again, Jaws is not damaged and works very well but NVDA, does not work

> properly with some programs as: firefox, google chrome, ms outlook

> 2010 Etc.

> I use to delete my restore points and create manually one.

> Thanks for any explanation or help for my isuue with NVDA.

> Moti

 

 

--

we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.

holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.

in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:

indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.

best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org