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Re: Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next

Simon Eigeldinger
 

Hi Brian,

This is just a german only problem i have had.
already have reported to the espeak ng team and it has been fixed in espeak ng master.
nvda next has espeak ng master from a few weeks where the bug is present.

Greetings,
Simon


Am 22.02.2018 um 10:47 schrieb Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io:

I'm still using the old Espeak in the speech palyer in espeak as the weird ways some words are said in ng is still a problem.
brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 3:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next
Hi Simon,
What version of eSpeak-NG are you using?  Looking at:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/releases indicates that the latest
version is 1.49.2, which we updated to prior to NVDA 2017.4.
Having said that, I know there are still issues with eSpeak, some of which
are tracked on our issue tracker, and some on eSpeak-NG's here:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/issues
Kind regards
Quentin.
On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 5:35 AM, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@vol.at
wrote:
Hi all,

The currently used espeak ng has a bug in the german language.
The bug has been fixed and espeak ng should be updated to latest master.
haven't opened a ticket yet because i thought i'll not make to much
noise about it.
though i can open a ticket as well if the devs prefer that.

Greetings and thanks,
Simon



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Re: Bug in espeak ng used in NVDA Next

Simon Eigeldinger
 

Hi,

NVDA next is using espeak ng 1.49.3 dev at the moment.
espeak ng hasn't got a new release.
though the latest espeak ng in nvda next is from the master branch.
in espeak ng master the bug was fixed.
this is a german only bug where there are issues with some phoneme changes.

Greetings,
Simon


Am 22.02.2018 um 04:32 schrieb Quentin Christensen:

Hi Simon,
What version of eSpeak-NG are you using? Looking at:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/releases indicates that the latest
version is 1.49.2, which we updated to prior to NVDA 2017.4.
Having said that, I know there are still issues with eSpeak, some of which
are tracked on our issue tracker, and some on eSpeak-NG's here:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/issues
Kind regards
Quentin.
On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 5:35 AM, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@vol.at
wrote:
Hi all,

The currently used espeak ng has a bug in the german language.
The bug has been fixed and espeak ng should be updated to latest master.
haven't opened a ticket yet because i thought i'll not make to much
noise about it.
though i can open a ticket as well if the devs prefer that.

Greetings and thanks,
Simon



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question

anthony borg
 

Hi folks

Can somebody explain to me how to download a podcast from the internet using windows media player please?

Thanks in advance

Anthony


Re: virtual recorder

Gene
 

That's because the link is incorrect.  It's
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
From: Stephen
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] virtual recorder

I can't even get virtual recorder, I get a 404 error.
if I go to the main website I get asked for a password.
At 08:57 PM 2/22/2018, you wrote:
>Just reformat and it will be gone.
>
>Its why I am against all this software bundling.
>
>A good reformat fixes everything if there is a problem a reformat will fix it.
>
>It just really angers me the user that this bundling has to yhappen at all.
>
>I mean if it wasn't for all this bundling and some extra monitering
>with pro versions and slowing things down I'd probably buy the entire kit.
>
>
>
>
>On 22/02/2018 10:42 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>>Yes I know. I'm not as power user as you are, but I have an xp
>>machine upstairs which accidentally got avast on it. I got a
>>sighted person to uninstall it, but now there are a few core
>>services still running which cannot be removed without, according
>>to my research, using safe mode and a special remover from avast.
>>
>>I'm sure all this seemed like a good idea to the vendors, but to
>>the end user they are a pain. on our studio windows 7 machine avast
>>seems to have been gotten rid of but there are still one or too
>>bits that cannot be deleted claiming the partition that they refer
>>to is in use but cannot be accessed from windows. How do I really
>>know if avast is good or has it seated some bits of itself out of
>>sight and is now sending data back? I'm not about to reformat that
>>would be both impossible and stop the paper being published for a
>>couple of weeks.
>>Brian
>>
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>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
>>To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:31 AM
>>Subject: [nvda] virtual recorder
>>
>>
>>>Hi.
>>>
>>>http://opopanax.net/dl is where all of the virtual recorder is.
>>>
>>>Recently I have come to the conclusion that if it wasn't for
>>>ransomware, I think I'd actually go without antivirus, a firewall
>>>or any security software at all.
>>>
>>>It seems that all a lot of this stuff does is target things that
>>>were working fine and screw them over.
>>>
>>>The blind are targeted a lot.
>>>
>>>Bgt excluded since that and how its written is just something
>>>antiviruses don't like.
>>>
>>>The only way to fix the issue is exclude parts of your hard drive.
>>>
>>>I have half a mind to just exclude all my drives and take my chances.
>>>
>>>I do this to a few folders in my backup drives but to be honest I
>>>do wander at how security software has degraded not just in
>>>accessibility but functionality as well.
>>>
>>>In the old days I used to use zone alarm and a few other firewalls.
>>>
>>>Lets see, load 1, and suddenly the antivirus software says its
>>>bad, part of it is deleted, the system is screwed.
>>>
>>>A reformat fixes it but now I need to find another.
>>>
>>>The other certainly works, blocking everything including changed
>>>ips and remote shares which may have been fine if it was not
>>>inaccessible, and if I had a static ip it would be fine but I
>>>don't have one of those.
>>>
>>>So printers drives etc.
>>>
>>>I simply abandoned sharing and internal remoting all together.
>>>
>>>Msse doesn't seem to be that bad but I can see I am going to have
>>>to restructure bits of my hard drive.
>>>
>>>Firstly, directories for games, office apps, etc, and have those
>>>excluded, then an unprocessed folder in my root just so I can find
>>>out what exactly is not a virus when something is caught.
>>>
>>>That may be a blessing as I have to structure my drives which I don't do.
>>>
>>>On the other hand it takes time.
>>>
>>>I am unsure about usb drives I guess you have to have apps in
>>>portable apps on e f g etc and exclude that and hope like hell
>>>nothing screws up.
>>>
>>>And while this promotes best practice, it certainly stops me
>>>trying to get something better than crappy msse/defender.
>>>
>>>If the crappy antivirus and malware software has so much false
>>>alarms what will a really good bit of software do.
>>>
>>>No, I know what that did, I trialed on the network something and
>>>it decided that windows was a virus.
>>>
>>>2 weeks later and 3 reformats for the 3 computers and reinstalling
>>>of things and either buying, or trying to get back lost licences
>>>to products I allready own, I went online to the site I got the
>>>programs to complain, and they had up and left.
>>>
>>>And were nowhere on the net at all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>




Re: virtual recorder

Stephen
 

I can't even get virtual recorder, I get a 404 error.
if I go to the main website I get asked for a password.

At 08:57 PM 2/22/2018, you wrote:
Just reformat and it will be gone.

Its why I am against all this software bundling.

A good reformat fixes everything if there is a problem a reformat will fix it.

It just really angers me the user that this bundling has to yhappen at all.

I mean if it wasn't for all this bundling and some extra monitering with pro versions and slowing things down I'd probably buy the entire kit.




On 22/02/2018 10:42 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes I know. I'm not as power user as you are, but I have an xp machine upstairs which accidentally got avast on it. I got a sighted person to uninstall it, but now there are a few core services still running which cannot be removed without, according to my research, using safe mode and a special remover from avast.

I'm sure all this seemed like a good idea to the vendors, but to the end user they are a pain. on our studio windows 7 machine avast seems to have been gotten rid of but there are still one or too bits that cannot be deleted claiming the partition that they refer to is in use but cannot be accessed from windows. How do I really know if avast is good or has it seated some bits of itself out of sight and is now sending data back? I'm not about to reformat that would be both impossible and stop the paper being published for a couple of weeks.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:31 AM
Subject: [nvda] virtual recorder


Hi.

http://opopanax.net/dl is where all of the virtual recorder is.

Recently I have come to the conclusion that if it wasn't for ransomware, I think I'd actually go without antivirus, a firewall or any security software at all.

It seems that all a lot of this stuff does is target things that were working fine and screw them over.

The blind are targeted a lot.

Bgt excluded since that and how its written is just something antiviruses don't like.

The only way to fix the issue is exclude parts of your hard drive.

I have half a mind to just exclude all my drives and take my chances.

I do this to a few folders in my backup drives but to be honest I do wander at how security software has degraded not just in accessibility but functionality as well.

In the old days I used to use zone alarm and a few other firewalls.

Lets see, load 1, and suddenly the antivirus software says its bad, part of it is deleted, the system is screwed.

A reformat fixes it but now I need to find another.

The other certainly works, blocking everything including changed ips and remote shares which may have been fine if it was not inaccessible, and if I had a static ip it would be fine but I don't have one of those.

So printers drives etc.

I simply abandoned sharing and internal remoting all together.

Msse doesn't seem to be that bad but I can see I am going to have to restructure bits of my hard drive.

Firstly, directories for games, office apps, etc, and have those excluded, then an unprocessed folder in my root just so I can find out what exactly is not a virus when something is caught.

That may be a blessing as I have to structure my drives which I don't do.

On the other hand it takes time.

I am unsure about usb drives I guess you have to have apps in portable apps on e f g etc and exclude that and hope like hell nothing screws up.

And while this promotes best practice, it certainly stops me trying to get something better than crappy msse/defender.

If the crappy antivirus and malware software has so much false alarms what will a really good bit of software do.

No, I know what that did, I trialed on the network something and it decided that windows was a virus.

2 weeks later and 3 reformats for the 3 computers and reinstalling of things and either buying, or trying to get back lost licences to products I allready own, I went online to the site I got the programs to complain, and they had up and left.

And were nowhere on the net at all.






Re: NVDA or Firefox56 bug?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I've seen this as well, but only sometimes with 52esr.
It seems like its simulating and alt tab.



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From: "Gerardo Corripio" <gera1027@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 12:17 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA or Firefox56 bug?


Using latest NVDA with Firefox56, on some sites, like Goodreads, when I either Enter or space on a link to open it, it takes me back to the Desktop or the last program I was on; what's weirder still is that Firefox remains open within the Alt+tab cycle. Any ideas if this might be a Firefox or NVDA issue?

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Re: Blindspot is a windowless spotify

Felix G.
 

Hi!
It's a program that lets you search and play music from Spotify. The special thing about it is that it has no window on the screen. It's invisible and only communicates to the user by sending messages through the screen reader. You communicate to it via special keyboard commands, just like screen reader shortcuts. So you don't even need to switch applications to, for example, stop or resume the music. It's just always there waiting for its commands.
Best regards,
Felix

Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...> schrieb am Do., 22. Feb. 2018 um 15:04 Uhr:

OK but what can you do using this program? and does it work with NVDA, or not yet? I've got Spotify Premium so.


El 22/02/2018 a las 07:53 a.m., Robert Kingett escribió:

Since the developer moved to Github I thought I would share the below link. It is very much like the qube in the fact that it has no window. Maybe some developers here can assist with this or something? I used it once. Years ago. It still needs a premium Spotify account to run I believe. The releases are in a table. It has windows installers.


https://github.com/craigbrett17/blindspot/releases


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Re: Blindspot is a windowless spotify

Gerardo Corripio
 

OK but what can you do using this program? and does it work with NVDA, or not yet? I've got Spotify Premium so.


El 22/02/2018 a las 07:53 a.m., Robert Kingett escribió:

Since the developer moved to Github I thought I would share the below link. It is very much like the qube in the fact that it has no window. Maybe some developers here can assist with this or something? I used it once. Years ago. It still needs a premium Spotify account to run I believe. The releases are in a table. It has windows installers.


https://github.com/craigbrett17/blindspot/releases


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Blindspot is a windowless spotify

 

Since the developer moved to Github I thought I would share the below link. It is very much like the qube in the fact that it has no window. Maybe some developers here can assist with this or something? I used it once. Years ago. It still needs a premium Spotify account to run I believe. The releases are in a table. It has windows installers.


https://github.com/craigbrett17/blindspot/releases


Number processing

Lars Bjørndal <lrs@...>
 

After installing NVDA v.2017.4, Espeak started to read numbers digit by
digit, instead of reading the whole number. I'm using the Norwegian
version. The number 2017 was prevously read, translated to English, two
thousand and seventeen, and now it's read as two zero one seven.

Can this change be reverted, or is there plans to implement an option to
choose which method to use?

Lars


NVDA or Firefox56 bug?

Gerardo Corripio
 

Using latest NVDA with Firefox56, on some sites, like Goodreads, when I either Enter or space on a link to open it, it takes me back to the Desktop or the last program I was on; what's weirder still is that Firefox remains open within the Alt+tab cycle. Any ideas if this might be a Firefox or NVDA issue?

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Anyone from Brazil

Walmir Schultz <wsautodidata@...>
 

Hi,

Anyone from Brazil in this group?


Re: Windows 10 detected of virus in Virtual Recorder

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Robert
I had the same issue, below is a précis of the steps to add/remove exclusions to defender.

To add an exclusion toWindows Defender.

1. Open the Windows Defender Security Center app, and activate the Virus & threat protection icon.

2. activate the Virus & threat protection settings link.

3. activate the Add or remove exclusions link under the Exclusion ssection.

4. activate the Add an exclusion plus button, and go to step 5 (file), step 6(folder), step 7 (file type), or step 8 (process) below depending on the type of exclusion you want to add.

5. To Add a File Exclusion to Windows Defender

Note: This option is to add a specific file as an exclusion to no longer be scanned by Windows Defender.
A) activate File under Add an exclusion.
B) Navigate to and select a file you want to exclude, activate Open, and go to step 9 below.

6. To Add a Folder Exclusion to Windows Defender
Note:This option is to add a folder as an exclusion to no longer have the folder and the files in the folder scanned by Windows Defender.
A) activate Folder under Add an exclusion.
B) Navigate to and select a folder you want to exclude, activate Select folder, and go to step 9 below.

7. To Add a File Type Exclusion to Windows Defender
Note: This option is to add a file extension as an exclusion to no longer have all files with that file type scanned by Windows Defender.
A) activate File type under Add an exclusion. (see screenshot below step 4)
B) Enter a file extension you want to exclude, activate Add, and go to step 9 below.

8. To Add a Process Exclusion to Windows Defender
Note: This option is to add a process as an exclusion to no longer have any file associated with it scanned by Windows Defender.
A) activate Process under Add an exclusion.
B) Enter a process name you want to exclude, activate Add, and go to step 9 below.

9. activate Yes when prompted by UAC to approve.

10. Repeat step 4 above if you would like to add another exclusion to Windows Defender.

11. When finished, you can close Settings.


To remove an exclusion from Windows Defender

Repeat steps 1 to 3 as in 'To add an exclusion...' above.

4. select an added exclusion that you want to remove, and activate its Remove button.

5. activate Yes when prompted by UAC to approve.

6. Repeat step 4 above if you would like to remove another exclusion.

7. When finished, you can close Settings.


HTH
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Mendoza
Sent: 21 February 2018 23:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 detected of virus in Virtual Recorder

Early this morning when I am about to run the Virtual recorder and haven't use it for awhile the Windows Defender of my Windows 10 detected that there is a virus that's need to be scanned offline. not sure what happened but before the same program has been used with no problem for couple of months ago. Any thought or experience for this. Thanks.
--

Robert Mendoza


Re: Firefox ESR

 

Well skype7 works for me right now.

And when it dies, I just won't use skype anymore I suppose.

With firefox, I will never download it ever again.

Waterfox will handle itself till june as it is and after that aparently it will continue as its own opensource mozilla port aparently.

Even if it doesn't one hopes that it stays securely updated or at least is not deleted since I will be using it from now on.

June this year is when all old firefox extentions will die  with the new firefox but who knows.

To be honest, I hardly use skype.

I use it for the nvda group, and if push comes to shove, I can get out of nvda group.

Calling is its own problem.

I guess my next thing will to get an iphone or something and run things off whats app maybe skype but well.

On 22/02/2018 11:04 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think the only reason I'd update firefox now is if the new version handled pages  in the future better, or had a feature I needed to have.
I'm not saying never, but I do feel that we need to be a little less gung ho at accepting every update offered to us, since we are a minority user group, often rough edges for many can spell unusability for us, and for those using the system for earning a living this is bad news.
Take the recent Skype thread as a for instance. all the sysadmins went ahead and many blind users were at a  a stroke unable to do their work.
That kind of  inaccessibility as with firefox 57 is, in my view unacceptable at any level by any company.
It simply should have been part of routine testing.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
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Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 12:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox ESR


What software does not run in such an environment?

I can only think of machines without a network connection, and that's hardly
useful these days (secure, agreed, but what can they do?).


Antony.

On Thursday 22 February 2018 at 00:39:12, Gene wrote:

Not all software.  All software that you use in an environment where it
comes into contact with possibly malicious content such as browsers.
There is lots of software that you don't need to upgrade.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 5:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox ESR


"ESR" means Extended Support Release.

Every now and then, a Firefox release is labeled as ESR, and it means they
promise to support it for longer than the other in-between releases.

There is no reason to switch from a standard release to an ESR release
unless:

a) you like always running the latest release, and the ESR release is the
latest one

or

b) you are currently running a no-longer-supported release, you don't want
to update to the latest release, but there's an ESR release somewhere in
between which you are happy with.

Basically, do not run unsupported software.  If security vulnerabilities
are discovered, you may well run into problems and they will be nobody
else's fault.

So, either run a recent (supported) standard version, or run an ESR version
(which may be older, but has support for longer), but either way, update
before that version becomes unsupported.

The above is true for all software, not just Firefox.  Not all projects
have ESR versions, but many do - some are known as LTR - Long Term
Release.


Antony.

On Wednesday 21 February 2018 at 23:58:42, Andrea Sherry wrote:
What is this? Is it necessary to use instead of regular Firefox?

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Re: OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Who said that?
I think the point was I just did in google
"oeclassic download"
And up came the address and that was it. No not using it yet, but may well do if it looks like it will suit.
The windows 10 offering is surely a joke written by the tea boy.
Brian

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From: "Karim Lakhani" <karim.lakhani@shaw.ca>
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Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 2:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues


Are you telling me to unsubscribe from this list?
I'll just use Google as my support?
The reason I ask questions here is because if another blind person has the
URL, that means they may be using the software, and I will give it a shot.
In my experience, TB, OEclassic, are not as good as outlook.
I've been using outlook 2003 and it's hard to change a goat.
I'm not sure the point you are trying to make, don't ask questions on the
list?
I'm still having a hell of a time with TB and I have looked at help and
sometimes getting a prospective from a blind person can be really helpful.
If people don't want questions on a tech list for the bind please state
that in a list of rules, such as don't ask questions until you have made
sure to exhaust, all resources before asking a question on this list?
A clarification by someone wood be appreciated.
Have a great day!



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Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility
issues


https://www.oeclassic.com/download


Strange that innit?
Simply search for these things on Google its faster than asking here!

Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility
issues


where do we find OE classic?



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brice Mijares
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility
issues

Okay, thanks for the clarification.

On 2/20/2018 5:44 AM, Gene wrote:
This is a different program.?? It's OE Classic.?? You are talking
about the original Outlook express.
Gene
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*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more
accessibility issues

Didn't I hear when windows 10 has a major update it removes OE?

On 2/20/2018 5:05 AM, Robert Kingett wrote:
> I did some web crawling. The pro version has identities, so not
sure if > that is something you want, but I would comb through all
of their news > section <https://www.oeclassic.com/news> to see what
features have been > added. The free version is on 27 now. 28, the
more accessible version, > will be free when the pro version shoots
up to 29. I can wait. No big > deal for me, but I think it is a one
time payment? And you get upgrades > for life? I'll have to look at
the
website again though.
>











Re: Firefox ESR

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I think the only reason I'd update firefox now is if the new version handled pages in the future better, or had a feature I needed to have.
I'm not saying never, but I do feel that we need to be a little less gung ho at accepting every update offered to us, since we are a minority user group, often rough edges for many can spell unusability for us, and for those using the system for earning a living this is bad news.
Take the recent Skype thread as a for instance. all the sysadmins went ahead and many blind users were at a a stroke unable to do their work.
That kind of inaccessibility as with firefox 57 is, in my view unacceptable at any level by any company.
It simply should have been part of routine testing.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 12:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox ESR


What software does not run in such an environment?

I can only think of machines without a network connection, and that's hardly
useful these days (secure, agreed, but what can they do?).


Antony.

On Thursday 22 February 2018 at 00:39:12, Gene wrote:

Not all software. All software that you use in an environment where it
comes into contact with possibly malicious content such as browsers.
There is lots of software that you don't need to upgrade.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 5:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox ESR


"ESR" means Extended Support Release.

Every now and then, a Firefox release is labeled as ESR, and it means they
promise to support it for longer than the other in-between releases.

There is no reason to switch from a standard release to an ESR release
unless:

a) you like always running the latest release, and the ESR release is the
latest one

or

b) you are currently running a no-longer-supported release, you don't want
to update to the latest release, but there's an ESR release somewhere in
between which you are happy with.

Basically, do not run unsupported software. If security vulnerabilities
are discovered, you may well run into problems and they will be nobody
else's fault.

So, either run a recent (supported) standard version, or run an ESR version
(which may be older, but has support for longer), but either way, update
before that version becomes unsupported.

The above is true for all software, not just Firefox. Not all projects
have ESR versions, but many do - some are known as LTR - Long Term
Release.


Antony.

On Wednesday 21 February 2018 at 23:58:42, Andrea Sherry wrote:
What is this? Is it necessary to use instead of regular Firefox?

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Re: Windows 10 detected of virus in Virtual Recorder

 

Well I have hung on to my sanity, but I know people that have snapped.

They exclude their program files, user files, download files and windows folders in fact all their drives from the virus software because they just can't handle it anymore.

On 22/02/2018 10:44 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I tend to just tell it to ignore it if things happen like this. In msse you can do this.
Obviously you need to be sure of the origin of the software.

it does the same to passview some software I use to get back peoples forgotten email client passwords too.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenron" <lenron93@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 detected of virus in Virtual Recorder


stupid anti virus crap always breaking programs.

On 2/22/18, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@gmail.com> wrote:
Now even my backup in my flash drive has been removed. Does anyone here
the link to download the installer for Virtual Recorder. I appreciate
your response.

Robert Mendoza

On 2/22/2018 3:03 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
I will give it a try once again. Thanks, Shaun!

Robert Mendoza

On 2/22/2018 11:07 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmph its just windows defender targeting the blind again.

Programs your av detects is ok suddenly are problems, just exclude
that folder, you may have to reinstall virtual recorder.




On 22/02/2018 12:19 p.m., Robert Mendoza wrote:
Early this morning when I am about to run the Virtual recorder and
haven't use it for awhile the Windows Defender of my Windows 10
detected that there is a virus that's need to be scanned offline.
not sure what happened but before the same program has been used
with no problem for couple of months ago. Any thought or experience
for this. Thanks.








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Re: virtual recorder

 

Just reformat and it will be gone.

Its why I am against all this software bundling.

A good reformat fixes everything if there is a problem a reformat will fix it.

It just really angers me the user that this bundling has to yhappen at all.

I mean if it wasn't for all this bundling and some extra monitering with pro versions and slowing things down I'd probably buy the entire kit.

On 22/02/2018 10:42 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes I know. I'm not as power user as you are, but I have an xp machine upstairs which accidentally got avast on it. I got a sighted person to uninstall it, but now there are a few core services still running which cannot be removed without, according to my research, using safe mode and a special remover from avast.

I'm sure all this seemed like a good idea to the vendors, but to the end user they are a pain. on our studio windows 7 machine avast seems to have been gotten rid of but there are still one or too bits that cannot be deleted claiming the partition that they refer to is in use but cannot be accessed from windows. How do I really know if avast is good or has it seated some bits of itself out of sight and is now sending data back? I'm not about to reformat that would be both impossible and stop the paper being published for a couple of weeks.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:31 AM
Subject: [nvda] virtual recorder


Hi.

http://opopanax.net/dl is where all of the virtual recorder is.

Recently I have come to the conclusion that if it wasn't for ransomware, I think I'd actually go without antivirus, a firewall or any security software at all.

It seems that all a lot of this stuff does is target things that were working fine and screw them over.

The blind are targeted a lot.

Bgt excluded since that and how its written is just something antiviruses don't like.

The only way to fix the issue is exclude parts of your hard drive.

I have half a mind to just exclude all my drives and take my chances.

I do this to a few folders in my backup drives but to be honest I do wander at how security software has degraded not just in accessibility but functionality as well.

In the old days I used to use zone alarm and a few other firewalls.

Lets see, load 1, and suddenly the antivirus software says its bad, part of it is deleted, the system is screwed.

A reformat fixes it but now I need to find another.

The other certainly works, blocking everything including changed ips and remote shares which may have been fine if it was not inaccessible, and if I had a static ip it would be fine but I don't have one of those.

So printers drives etc.

I simply abandoned sharing and internal remoting all together.

Msse doesn't seem to be that bad but I can see I am going to have to restructure bits of my hard drive.

Firstly, directories for games, office apps, etc, and have those excluded, then an unprocessed folder in my root just so I can find out what exactly is not a virus when something is caught.

That may be a blessing as I have to structure my drives which I don't do.

On the other hand it takes time.

I am unsure about usb drives I guess you have to have apps in portable apps on e f g etc and exclude that and hope like hell nothing screws up.

And while this promotes best practice, it certainly stops me trying to get something better than crappy msse/defender.

If the crappy antivirus and malware software has so much false alarms what will a really good bit of software do.

No, I know what that did, I trialed on the network something and it decided that windows was a virus.

2 weeks later and 3 reformats for the 3 computers and reinstalling of things and either buying, or trying to get back lost licences to products I allready own, I went online to the site I got the programs to complain, and they had up and left.

And were nowhere on the net at all.







Re: espeak volume quite low

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Assuming the other advice has been followed in this thread, then I'm at a bit of a loss as its plenty loud enough. Not as loud as maybe some voices in other synths, like Serena for example but those voices are very compressed and have few dynamics at all, therefore their average loudness sounds more, much like the adverts in tv programs for the same reason.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Covici" <covici@ccs.covici.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] espeak volume quite low


I am using Max as the variant. Volume is a lot lower than normal
stuff.

On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 07:48:21 -0500,
zahra wrote:

hi.
do you use espeak bundled with nvda or
do you use espeak sapi5?
if you use espeak of sapi5, it depend on the valume of your choice in
control panel, valume control.
if you use espeak which is installed by default with nvda, i did not
try other synthesizer,
but for me the valume is loud and i select 60 or 70 for its valume.
also, it depend on the voice that you selected.
which variant are you using?

On 2/21/18, John Covici <covici@ccs.covici.com> wrote:
Hi. I am noticing that espeak has quite alower volume than other
system sounds, or listening to a video or anything else, even though
the volume is set at 100% in voice settings. How can I fix?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

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Re: Firefox ESR

 

i have sometimes slowness in 52.6 which i tested and think its because
of spectre bug fix.
i read that fixing spectre makes slowness in some programs, but did
not read anything about effect of fixing spectre in firefox until now.

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My only moans ar the download dialogue is not read and you cannot have
navigational sounds any more.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@ca.inter.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 3:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox ESR


This brings me to the question – what sort of issues are users of Firefox 58

and NVDA experiencing? I know that other major screen-reader does not work
with any of the new FF versions, but nVDA does – seemingly quite well in
fact.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: February 21, 2018 7:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox ESR



This isn't just something Mozilla does every now and then. Extended Support

releases may be used by anyone but they are intended for businesses and
other institutions that don't want the program to be upgraded frequently.
The extended support release receives all security updates but the program
itself doesn't upgrade for one year after release.



The next ESR release will be this summer sometime in June, as I recall.



Because of all the changes being made in firefox now that may impair
performance for blind users and interfere with accessibility of some web
sites, those who don't want to use the new versions are instructed to use
the current ESR version which is version 52 of the program and was released

before these changes took place. Those who want to try the new versions, in

particular those who want to try new versions and send feedback regarding
problems and progress are encouraged to try the new versions as they are
released.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Andrea Sherry <mailto:sherryan@wideband.net.au>

Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 5:40 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox ESR



Thanks for that.

Andrea


On 22/02/2018 10:11 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
"ESR" means Extended Support Release.

Every now and then, a Firefox release is labeled as ESR, and it means
they
promise to support it for longer than the other in-between releases.

There is no reason to switch from a standard release to an ESR release
unless:

a) you like always running the latest release, and the ESR release is the
latest one

or

b) you are currently running a no-longer-supported release, you don't want

to
update to the latest release, but there's an ESR release somewhere in
between
which you are happy with.

Basically, do not run unsupported software. If security vulnerabilities
are
discovered, you may well run into problems and they will be nobody else's
fault.

So, either run a recent (supported) standard version, or run an ESR
version
(which may be older, but has support for longer), but either way, update
before that version becomes unsupported.

The above is true for all software, not just Firefox. Not all projects
have
ESR versions, but many do - some are known as LTR - Long Term Release.


Antony.

On Wednesday 21 February 2018 at 23:58:42, Andrea Sherry wrote:

What is this? Is it necessary to use instead of regular Firefox?

Andrea
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