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Re: A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

Hi.  I can confirm this.  I tried with three apps specifically, Thunderbird, This pc and Device manager.  when you press the context menu and arrow up or down, the first two letters of the app is spoken in conjunction with the context menu items, for example, "thwrite message" for Thunderbird.  Cheers!


On 3/20/2018 11:17 PM, Ronald J Glaser wrote:

Using a snap shot of nvda the out look speaking the first part still exsists as well. so I also again do agree with chrsi, this has to be a nvda issue


On 3/20/2018 9:33 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Hey there guys.

 

I’m experiencing a few things with NVDA 2018.1.

 

Firstly, my build of Windows:

 

Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.192)

 

Two things. Firstly, when I open the start menu and then search for something, say, for example, I do a search for outlook. I then hear Outlook 2016 Desktop app, which is normal, but then here’s where the kind of strange thing is coming into play.

 

If I press either shift+F10 or my application’s key to open up the context menu on sed item, As I then down arrow through the context menu, I’m continuously with each press of the down arrow key hearing the first syllable of the word outlook.

 

So for example, instead of hearing pin to taskbar, I’d hear, out pin to taskbar. Only it’s not even the word out. It’s more like ow. The t phoneme gets cut off entirely. So, realisticly, it’s more like, alpin to taskbar. Ow open. Etc. Why in the world is it doing this? Just for reference, I don’t have this problem with JAWS 2018, so clearly, this appears from what little knowledge I know, to be an NVDA thing specifically. Now, whether this is a falt of NVDA in a whole, or a falt of the Windows 10 Essentials addon, I’m not sure. It might even be a combination of both. I just don’t know.

 

The other thing I am observing which really would be nice is, I’ve tried using alt+shift+arrow keys on my start screen to move my pinned tiles around and rearrange them. Though this works absolutely beautifully by the way, I find that it’s a little bit confusing as though I hear the row/column coordinants when arrowing around, and also can hear the group headers, it’s hard for one to know what row/column of a particular group header certain tiles are being moved into when using alt+shift+arrows, as NVDA won’t announce this information as you’re moving. Therefore, you have to kind of mentally in your head keep things mathematicly straight. For instance, if I’m on the second header group on a row, and in that group the tile is one row by one column big, and I know I want that item in the first columm first row of the first header group on that row, if the icon initially is in row 2 collumn 2, then I know I need to move it up one row with alt+shift+up arrow, then to get to that first group in row 1 collumn 1, I’d have to then alt+left arrow 7 times. The first press to go to column 1 of that same group, the next to scoach it over to the previous left hand group’s collum 6, then 5 more times to get it over to column 1.

 

Hopefully, I’ve not just made your heads explode trying to think through that. You see though my point. This is very difficult, at best, as you really don’t have any feedback from NVDA as you’re moving the icon around. So one may have to move the tile a few places, then check, and see what group/coordinants within that group the tile is now located, then either continue, or compensate for their miscounting calculation. It can be done, but it’s a major pain in the arse.

 

This leads me to a proposal. How hard would it be either natively in NVDA, or within the Win10 Essentials addon to get it so that NVDA, while moving the tyle, to read the coordinants as it does just by arrowing around? I think this would be great for users, as being able to rearrange those items has really sped up my workflow.

 

Chris.


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Re: A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

Ronald J Glaser
 

Using a snap shot of nvda the out look speaking the first part still exsists as well. so I also again do agree with chrsi, this has to be a nvda issue


On 3/20/2018 9:33 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Hey there guys.

 

I’m experiencing a few things with NVDA 2018.1.

 

Firstly, my build of Windows:

 

Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.192)

 

Two things. Firstly, when I open the start menu and then search for something, say, for example, I do a search for outlook. I then hear Outlook 2016 Desktop app, which is normal, but then here’s where the kind of strange thing is coming into play.

 

If I press either shift+F10 or my application’s key to open up the context menu on sed item, As I then down arrow through the context menu, I’m continuously with each press of the down arrow key hearing the first syllable of the word outlook.

 

So for example, instead of hearing pin to taskbar, I’d hear, out pin to taskbar. Only it’s not even the word out. It’s more like ow. The t phoneme gets cut off entirely. So, realisticly, it’s more like, alpin to taskbar. Ow open. Etc. Why in the world is it doing this? Just for reference, I don’t have this problem with JAWS 2018, so clearly, this appears from what little knowledge I know, to be an NVDA thing specifically. Now, whether this is a falt of NVDA in a whole, or a falt of the Windows 10 Essentials addon, I’m not sure. It might even be a combination of both. I just don’t know.

 

The other thing I am observing which really would be nice is, I’ve tried using alt+shift+arrow keys on my start screen to move my pinned tiles around and rearrange them. Though this works absolutely beautifully by the way, I find that it’s a little bit confusing as though I hear the row/column coordinants when arrowing around, and also can hear the group headers, it’s hard for one to know what row/column of a particular group header certain tiles are being moved into when using alt+shift+arrows, as NVDA won’t announce this information as you’re moving. Therefore, you have to kind of mentally in your head keep things mathematicly straight. For instance, if I’m on the second header group on a row, and in that group the tile is one row by one column big, and I know I want that item in the first columm first row of the first header group on that row, if the icon initially is in row 2 collumn 2, then I know I need to move it up one row with alt+shift+up arrow, then to get to that first group in row 1 collumn 1, I’d have to then alt+left arrow 7 times. The first press to go to column 1 of that same group, the next to scoach it over to the previous left hand group’s collum 6, then 5 more times to get it over to column 1.

 

Hopefully, I’ve not just made your heads explode trying to think through that. You see though my point. This is very difficult, at best, as you really don’t have any feedback from NVDA as you’re moving the icon around. So one may have to move the tile a few places, then check, and see what group/coordinants within that group the tile is now located, then either continue, or compensate for their miscounting calculation. It can be done, but it’s a major pain in the arse.

 

This leads me to a proposal. How hard would it be either natively in NVDA, or within the Win10 Essentials addon to get it so that NVDA, while moving the tyle, to read the coordinants as it does just by arrowing around? I think this would be great for users, as being able to rearrange those items has really sped up my workflow.

 

Chris.


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Re: A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

Ronald J Glaser
 

I can confirm what chris, is saying here when searching for outlook 2016 I have the same build of  windows ten as chris, has and yes this does happen. I tried  with thunderbird and that does nto exibit the same behavior as the out situation does, I also second chris's request for the alt and shft keys to tekk us what part we are moving the tiles to.



On 3/20/2018 9:46 AM, David Griffith wrote:

 

It is slightly odd as I have identical Windows version and NVDA with latest Essentials Addon. Despite  this I am completely unable to reproduce your Outlook problem with the start menu and the application key.

If I start typing Outlook and then bring up the application key,   the context menus all read entirely normally.

This seems to suggest that there may be something local to your setup causing this.

I am using Eloquence synth derived from my old Kurzweil  installation but I am not sure if this should make any difference.

I never attempt to rearrange the Desktop so I cannot comment on the second issue you raise.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: 20 March 2018 14:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

 

Hey there guys.

 

I’m experiencing a few things with NVDA 2018.1.

 

Firstly, my build of Windows:

 

Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.192)

 

Two things. Firstly, when I open the start menu and then search for something, say, for example, I do a search for outlook. I then hear Outlook 2016 Desktop app, which is normal, but then here’s where the kind of strange thing is coming into play.

 

If I press either shift+F10 or my application’s key to open up the context menu on sed item, As I then down arrow through the context menu, I’m continuously with each press of the down arrow key hearing the first syllable of the word outlook.

 

So for example, instead of hearing pin to taskbar, I’d hear, out pin to taskbar. Only it’s not even the word out. It’s more like ow. The t phoneme gets cut off entirely. So, realisticly, it’s more like, alpin to taskbar. Ow open. Etc. Why in the world is it doing this? Just for reference, I don’t have this problem with JAWS 2018, so clearly, this appears from what little knowledge I know, to be an NVDA thing specifically. Now, whether this is a falt of NVDA in a whole, or a falt of the Windows 10 Essentials addon, I’m not sure. It might even be a combination of both. I just don’t know.

 

The other thing I am observing which really would be nice is, I’ve tried using alt+shift+arrow keys on my start screen to move my pinned tiles around and rearrange them. Though this works absolutely beautifully by the way, I find that it’s a little bit confusing as though I hear the row/column coordinants when arrowing around, and also can hear the group headers, it’s hard for one to know what row/column of a particular group header certain tiles are being moved into when using alt+shift+arrows, as NVDA won’t announce this information as you’re moving. Therefore, you have to kind of mentally in your head keep things mathematicly straight. For instance, if I’m on the second header group on a row, and in that group the tile is one row by one column big, and I know I want that item in the first columm first row of the first header group on that row, if the icon initially is in row 2 collumn 2, then I know I need to move it up one row with alt+shift+up arrow, then to get to that first group in row 1 collumn 1, I’d have to then alt+left arrow 7 times. The first press to go to column 1 of that same group, the next to scoach it over to the previous left hand group’s collum 6, then 5 more times to get it over to column 1.

 

Hopefully, I’ve not just made your heads explode trying to think through that. You see though my point. This is very difficult, at best, as you really don’t have any feedback from NVDA as you’re moving the icon around. So one may have to move the tile a few places, then check, and see what group/coordinants within that group the tile is now located, then either continue, or compensate for their miscounting calculation. It can be done, but it’s a major pain in the arse.

 

This leads me to a proposal. How hard would it be either natively in NVDA, or within the Win10 Essentials addon to get it so that NVDA, while moving the tyle, to read the coordinants as it does just by arrowing around? I think this would be great for users, as being able to rearrange those items has really sped up my workflow.

 

Chris.

 


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Re: A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

David Griffith
 

 

It is slightly odd as I have identical Windows version and NVDA with latest Essentials Addon. Despite  this I am completely unable to reproduce your Outlook problem with the start menu and the application key.

If I start typing Outlook and then bring up the application key,   the context menus all read entirely normally.

This seems to suggest that there may be something local to your setup causing this.

I am using Eloquence synth derived from my old Kurzweil  installation but I am not sure if this should make any difference.

I never attempt to rearrange the Desktop so I cannot comment on the second issue you raise.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: 20 March 2018 14:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

 

Hey there guys.

 

I’m experiencing a few things with NVDA 2018.1.

 

Firstly, my build of Windows:

 

Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.192)

 

Two things. Firstly, when I open the start menu and then search for something, say, for example, I do a search for outlook. I then hear Outlook 2016 Desktop app, which is normal, but then here’s where the kind of strange thing is coming into play.

 

If I press either shift+F10 or my application’s key to open up the context menu on sed item, As I then down arrow through the context menu, I’m continuously with each press of the down arrow key hearing the first syllable of the word outlook.

 

So for example, instead of hearing pin to taskbar, I’d hear, out pin to taskbar. Only it’s not even the word out. It’s more like ow. The t phoneme gets cut off entirely. So, realisticly, it’s more like, alpin to taskbar. Ow open. Etc. Why in the world is it doing this? Just for reference, I don’t have this problem with JAWS 2018, so clearly, this appears from what little knowledge I know, to be an NVDA thing specifically. Now, whether this is a falt of NVDA in a whole, or a falt of the Windows 10 Essentials addon, I’m not sure. It might even be a combination of both. I just don’t know.

 

The other thing I am observing which really would be nice is, I’ve tried using alt+shift+arrow keys on my start screen to move my pinned tiles around and rearrange them. Though this works absolutely beautifully by the way, I find that it’s a little bit confusing as though I hear the row/column coordinants when arrowing around, and also can hear the group headers, it’s hard for one to know what row/column of a particular group header certain tiles are being moved into when using alt+shift+arrows, as NVDA won’t announce this information as you’re moving. Therefore, you have to kind of mentally in your head keep things mathematicly straight. For instance, if I’m on the second header group on a row, and in that group the tile is one row by one column big, and I know I want that item in the first columm first row of the first header group on that row, if the icon initially is in row 2 collumn 2, then I know I need to move it up one row with alt+shift+up arrow, then to get to that first group in row 1 collumn 1, I’d have to then alt+left arrow 7 times. The first press to go to column 1 of that same group, the next to scoach it over to the previous left hand group’s collum 6, then 5 more times to get it over to column 1.

 

Hopefully, I’ve not just made your heads explode trying to think through that. You see though my point. This is very difficult, at best, as you really don’t have any feedback from NVDA as you’re moving the icon around. So one may have to move the tile a few places, then check, and see what group/coordinants within that group the tile is now located, then either continue, or compensate for their miscounting calculation. It can be done, but it’s a major pain in the arse.

 

This leads me to a proposal. How hard would it be either natively in NVDA, or within the Win10 Essentials addon to get it so that NVDA, while moving the tyle, to read the coordinants as it does just by arrowing around? I think this would be great for users, as being able to rearrange those items has really sped up my workflow.

 

Chris.

 


A few observations with NVDA 2018.1

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Hey there guys.

 

I’m experiencing a few things with NVDA 2018.1.

 

Firstly, my build of Windows:

 

Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.192)

 

Two things. Firstly, when I open the start menu and then search for something, say, for example, I do a search for outlook. I then hear Outlook 2016 Desktop app, which is normal, but then here’s where the kind of strange thing is coming into play.

 

If I press either shift+F10 or my application’s key to open up the context menu on sed item, As I then down arrow through the context menu, I’m continuously with each press of the down arrow key hearing the first syllable of the word outlook.

 

So for example, instead of hearing pin to taskbar, I’d hear, out pin to taskbar. Only it’s not even the word out. It’s more like ow. The t phoneme gets cut off entirely. So, realisticly, it’s more like, alpin to taskbar. Ow open. Etc. Why in the world is it doing this? Just for reference, I don’t have this problem with JAWS 2018, so clearly, this appears from what little knowledge I know, to be an NVDA thing specifically. Now, whether this is a falt of NVDA in a whole, or a falt of the Windows 10 Essentials addon, I’m not sure. It might even be a combination of both. I just don’t know.

 

The other thing I am observing which really would be nice is, I’ve tried using alt+shift+arrow keys on my start screen to move my pinned tiles around and rearrange them. Though this works absolutely beautifully by the way, I find that it’s a little bit confusing as though I hear the row/column coordinants when arrowing around, and also can hear the group headers, it’s hard for one to know what row/column of a particular group header certain tiles are being moved into when using alt+shift+arrows, as NVDA won’t announce this information as you’re moving. Therefore, you have to kind of mentally in your head keep things mathematicly straight. For instance, if I’m on the second header group on a row, and in that group the tile is one row by one column big, and I know I want that item in the first columm first row of the first header group on that row, if the icon initially is in row 2 collumn 2, then I know I need to move it up one row with alt+shift+up arrow, then to get to that first group in row 1 collumn 1, I’d have to then alt+left arrow 7 times. The first press to go to column 1 of that same group, the next to scoach it over to the previous left hand group’s collum 6, then 5 more times to get it over to column 1.

 

Hopefully, I’ve not just made your heads explode trying to think through that. You see though my point. This is very difficult, at best, as you really don’t have any feedback from NVDA as you’re moving the icon around. So one may have to move the tile a few places, then check, and see what group/coordinants within that group the tile is now located, then either continue, or compensate for their miscounting calculation. It can be done, but it’s a major pain in the arse.

 

This leads me to a proposal. How hard would it be either natively in NVDA, or within the Win10 Essentials addon to get it so that NVDA, while moving the tyle, to read the coordinants as it does just by arrowing around? I think this would be great for users, as being able to rearrange those items has really sped up my workflow.

 

Chris.


Re: DoubleTalk Synth

Ian Blackburn
 

There is an official add-ons webpage
The one listed  in this email has older add-ons
Many have been superseded by new ones


On 20 Mar 2018, at 9:59 pm, Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...> wrote:

Do you know of any other NVDA themed sites like Jeff's? Blogs, Facebook Groups, etc.? I'm a new user, and I'm building up my NVDA bookmarked resources to review at my leisure.


On 3/20/2018 6:41 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
Surely this is included in the DoubleTalk LT NVDA Add-on listed at
https://jeff.tdrealms.com/index.php?page=NVDA

"This is a driver for the Double Talk LT hardware speech synthesizer."


Antony.

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Not unless an nvda to synth driver is written I'd imagine.
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Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 4:12 PM
Subject: [nvda] DoubleTalk Synth


Hi,
I have a DoubleTalk external synth, that uses a serial cable.  I connected
it to a Serial to USB adapter, and my windows 7 automatically installed a
driver for the adapter.
I tried the DoubleTalk LT add-in and it did not work.
I also tried the TripleTalk USB add-in and that did not work either.
Neither show up in available synthesizers.
The Eloquence add-in shows up however, and the other add-ins have always
worked.
Shouldn't it show up in the synth selection?
And is there a way to probe to find the port that the USB adapter is on?
I looked in device manager, and it looks like it reads Comms 001 and 003.

Glenn


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Re: DoubleTalk Synth

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

Do you know of any other NVDA themed sites like Jeff's? Blogs, Facebook Groups, etc.? I'm a new user, and I'm building up my NVDA bookmarked resources to review at my leisure.


On 3/20/2018 6:41 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
Surely this is included in the DoubleTalk LT NVDA Add-on listed at
https://jeff.tdrealms.com/index.php?page=NVDA

"This is a driver for the Double Talk LT hardware speech synthesizer."


Antony.

On Tuesday 20 March 2018 at 11:31:48, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io 
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Not unless an nvda to synth driver is written I'd imagine.
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Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 4:12 PM
Subject: [nvda] DoubleTalk Synth


Hi,
I have a DoubleTalk external synth, that uses a serial cable.  I connected
it to a Serial to USB adapter, and my windows 7 automatically installed a
driver for the adapter.
I tried the DoubleTalk LT add-in and it did not work.
I also tried the TripleTalk USB add-in and that did not work either.
Neither show up in available synthesizers.
The Eloquence add-in shows up however, and the other add-ins have always
worked.
Shouldn't it show up in the synth selection?
And is there a way to probe to find the port that the USB adapter is on?
I looked in device manager, and it looks like it reads Comms 001 and 003.

Glenn


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Re: Choosing a Laptop

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

Well, she is taking up software engineering, which means that she needs a machine that can handle intensive work loads when she writes her programs.  She needs the space to install the programming environments that she will be working in, which includes IDEs, Debuggers and a lot of storage space because  the writeten programs itself takes up a considerable amount of space, ram and memory.  Furthermore, Lenovo is one of the longest lasting machines out there.  I've had mine for almost 4 years now and it is still performing to it's high standards.  I bought mine for around the same price, might be a bit less, but I've had no issues with my lenovo machine even though I use it for my programming work, plus music production work almost daily.  Sometimes, it is helpful to ourselves to pay for something that lasts, pick our pocket once, but never have to worry about longevity and reliability for at least a few years.  Cheers!

On 3/20/2018 12:33 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
That sounds like it's very expensive.



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Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

I think it is crazy to pay so much for a laptop.

On 3/17/2018 1:39 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:
I just looked at the Lenovo website since several people recommended
them. They have a 10% student discount on some of their laptops. I
think I might have just found a good one for me. Take a look at this:
https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X38
0-Yoga/p/20LH000MUS

I like how it can be a laptop or a tablet and how it has a fingerprint
reader. My mom said that I could get both a laptop and a Braille
notetaker or display if I could keep the payments for each one under
$100 per month. I did some calculations and found out that with this
laptop, if I take 2 years to pay it off, the payments would be about
$84 per month. It sounds like a really nice laptop. What do you all think?

On 3/17/2018 12:44 PM, Andre wrote:
How about computers for the blind.com? Phone: 214-340-6328



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Lanie Molinar
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of
lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software
development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new
laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a little
background info to help you understand what I'm looking for. I'm a
college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so I'll be
working with code and developing things. I also have several
disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I
can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer
doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing
lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with
Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if
that seems better. I would also be happy with something running
Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of RAM.
There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look for or
where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle being
used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is
low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good
payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a
laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For those
on software
development- related lists, I'm interested in what would be best for
a developer. I would really appreciate any help. Thanks.


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Re: DoubleTalk Synth

Antony Stone
 

Surely this is included in the DoubleTalk LT NVDA Add-on listed at
https://jeff.tdrealms.com/index.php?page=NVDA

"This is a driver for the Double Talk LT hardware speech synthesizer."


Antony.

On Tuesday 20 March 2018 at 11:31:48, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
wrote:

Not unless an nvda to synth driver is written I'd imagine.
brian

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From: "Ervin, Glenn" <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 4:12 PM
Subject: [nvda] DoubleTalk Synth


Hi,
I have a DoubleTalk external synth, that uses a serial cable. I connected
it to a Serial to USB adapter, and my windows 7 automatically installed a
driver for the adapter.
I tried the DoubleTalk LT add-in and it did not work.
I also tried the TripleTalk USB add-in and that did not work either.
Neither show up in available synthesizers.
The Eloquence add-in shows up however, and the other add-ins have always
worked.
Shouldn't it show up in the synth selection?
And is there a way to probe to find the port that the USB adapter is on?
I looked in device manager, and it looks like it reads Comms 001 and 003.

Glenn


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Re: To upgrade to 18.1

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I don't remember exactly when but one thing to watch for is loss of pronunciations dictionary in Espeak. Sometimes you need to manually copy the files over and rename them,but I've forgotten which versions are affected now.
Brian

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From: "Chris via Groups.Io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] To upgrade to 18.1


Yes you can update fro 17.3

If you go to the nvda menu then help then check for update to update

From: Ivan Cribb
Sent: 20 March 2018 07:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] To upgrade to 18.1

Please forgive the elementarynature of this question,I am still lerning.
I am running NVDA 17.3. I want to upgrade to 18.1. Can I do so from 17.3 or do I have to do so from ve.addess.
Ivan


Re: DoubleTalk Synth

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Not unless an nvda to synth driver is written I'd imagine.
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Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 4:12 PM
Subject: [nvda] DoubleTalk Synth


Hi,
I have a DoubleTalk external synth, that uses a serial cable. I connected it to a Serial to USB adapter, and my windows 7 automatically installed a driver for the adapter.
I tried the DoubleTalk LT add-in and it did not work.
I also tried the TripleTalk USB add-in and that did not work either.
Neither show up in available synthesizers.
The Eloquence add-in shows up however, and the other add-ins have always worked.
Shouldn't it show up in the synth selection?
And is there a way to probe to find the port that the USB adapter is on?
I looked in device manager, and it looks like it reads Comms 001 and 003.

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Re: To upgrade to 18.1

Chris
 

Yes you can update fro 17.3

 

If you go to the nvda menu then help then check for update to update

 

From: Ivan Cribb
Sent: 20 March 2018 07:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] To upgrade to 18.1

 

Please forgive the elementarynature of this question,I am still lerning.

I am running NVDA 17.3. I want to upgrade to 18.1. Can I do so from 17.3 or do I have to do so from ve.addess.

Ivan

 


Strange symbols in conversion results in Calculator in Windows 10

 

Hello all,

I've recently stumbled upon some strange symbols which appear in unit and currency conversion results in the Calculator app in Windows 10. Those symbols appear right before and after the numeric results of a unit and currency conversion. in the input and output numeric fields. Usually they are not noticed by sighted or screen reader users, because they are invisible for the sighted and for screen reader users - most speech synthesizers do not read them aloud. One of our bulgarian speech synthesizers however does announce with a sound such strange symbols and that is how we've discovered them. After checking with NVDA's functionality to announce in decimal and hexadecimal form the numeric value of a symbol, I've discovered which are those symbols (well, at least their decimal and hexadecimal values anyway (smile)). And they are as follows:

Before the numeric result: decimal: 8234, hexadecimal: 0x202a.

After the numeric result: decimal: 8236, hexadecimal: 0x202c.

I couldn't find much information about those characters, except that the first one is called "Left-To-Right Embedding" and the second one - "Pop Directional Formatting". Can someone tell me what are those characters used for?

Furthermore, does someone have any idea why are those characters inserted in unit and currency conversion results in the Windows 10 calculator? Is it on purpose or by mistake? If the latter, shouldn't we report this to Microsoft, so they can fix it? And

one more thing - can someone else with a non-bulgarian locale Windows 10 system reproduce this behavior of the Calculator, or this is specific to the bulgarian locale?

Thanks much in advance!

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


Re: To upgrade to 18.1

Sam Taylor
 

Hi Ivan,

You can upgrade directly to the latest version which as you state is 18.1.

Thanks

Sam


On 20/03/2018 16:38, Ivan Cribb wrote:

Please forgive the elementarynature of this question,I am still lerning.

I am running NVDA 17.3. I want to upgrade to 18.1. Can I do so from 17.3 or do I have to do so from ve.addess.

Ivan


To upgrade to 18.1

Ivan Cribb <icribb@...>
 

Please forgive the elementarynature of this question,I am still lerning.

I am running NVDA 17.3. I want to upgrade to 18.1. Can I do so from 17.3 or do I have to do so from ve.addess.

Ivan


Re: FW: [win10] Official invitation: Joseph Lee will be talking about Windows 10 Version 1803 and beyond on March 26, 2018 at Accessible World Tek Talk

 

Hi,

Yes, it’ll be recorded and made available shortly after the presentation.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 9:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Official invitation: Joseph Lee will be talking about Windows 10 Version 1803 and beyond on March 26, 2018 at Accessible World Tek Talk

 

Hi, Joseph,

 

Will this presentation be recorded like they were in the past?

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] FW: [win10] Official invitation: Joseph Lee will be talking about Windows 10 Version 1803 and beyond on March 26, 2018 at Accessible World Tek Talk

 

Hi everyone,

Please pass this onto others interested in this presentation, especially to Windows 10 users. Thanks, and hope to see you on March 26th.

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 6:20 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] Official invitation: Joseph Lee will be talking about Windows 10 Version 1803 and beyond on March 26, 2018 at Accessible World Tek Talk

 

Hi all,

 

Please pass this onto other forums and folks interested in this:

 

Dear Windows 10 users, screen reader developers, Microsoft staff, third-party app developers, Windows Insiders and others,

 

You’re cordially invited to participate in an audio talk by Joseph Lee on Windows 10, to be held on Accessible World Pat Price Tek Talk room on Monday, March 26, 2018 at 5 PM Pacific. In this talk, Joseph will talk about recent changes to Windows 10 ecosystem, demonstrate key features included in Version 1803 (Spring Creators Update), and showcase a mystery feature from a future version of Windows 10, all using screen readers.

 

Topics to be covered include:

 

  • Recent happenings on Windows 10, including introduction of S and Pro for Workstations, Microsoft Store, mixed reality.
  • Key features from Windows 10 Version 1709, including emoji entry, My People, Narrator changes and more.
  • Highlights from Version 1803, including Timeline, Focus Assist, and other changes.
  • A mystery feature from a future version of Windows 10 (you need to be there to listen to/see the demo).
  • Screen reader compatibility notices and future plans.

 

To join, go to accessibleworld.org, then go to Pat Price room. Then download Talking Communities client, and once it is installed, enter the room. Alternatively, the direct link to the Tek Talk room is:

http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2

 

Hope to see you on March 26th.

Sincerely,

Joseph Lee


Re: Choosing a Laptop

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

That sounds like it's very expensive.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

I think it is crazy to pay so much for a laptop.

On 3/17/2018 1:39 PM, Lanie Molinar wrote:
I just looked at the Lenovo website since several people recommended
them. They have a 10% student discount on some of their laptops. I
think I might have just found a good one for me. Take a look at this:
https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X38
0-Yoga/p/20LH000MUS

I like how it can be a laptop or a tablet and how it has a fingerprint
reader. My mom said that I could get both a laptop and a Braille
notetaker or display if I could keep the payments for each one under
$100 per month. I did some calculations and found out that with this
laptop, if I take 2 years to pay it off, the payments would be about
$84 per month. It sounds like a really nice laptop. What do you all think?

On 3/17/2018 12:44 PM, Andre wrote:
How about computers for the blind.com? Phone: 214-340-6328



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lanie Molinar
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Choosing a Laptop

Hi, everyone. This is Lanie Molinar. I'm sending this to a lot of
lists at once. Some are tech-related, some are related to software
development, and some are for students. I might have to get a new
laptop soon and have a few questions. First, let me give you a little
background info to help you understand what I'm looking for. I'm a
college student getting a degree in Software Engineering, so I'll be
working with code and developing things. I also have several
disabilities and health issues in addition to my blindness, so I
can't do much physically and spend a lot of my day on the computer
doing schoolwork, taking surveys for extra money, gaming, and doing
lots of other stuff. I'm fairly sure that I want a computer with
Windows 10, not a Mac, although I'm willing to look into a Mac if
that seems better. I would also be happy with something running
Linux. I definitely want something new, not used, with plenty of RAM.
There are so many options that I'm just not sure what to look for or
where to get it. Again, I also need something that can handle being
used all day, gaming, and developing software. My family is
low-income, so I need to get it from somewhere that offers good
payment plans. Can anyone give me some advice on how to choose a
laptop, good places to buy one from, and what I should get? For those
on software
development- related lists, I'm interested in what would be best for
a developer. I would really appreciate any help. Thanks.


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Re: FW: [win10] Official invitation: Joseph Lee will be talking about Windows 10 Version 1803 and beyond on March 26, 2018 at Accessible World Tek Talk

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Joseph,

 

Will this presentation be recorded like they were in the past?

 

Rosemarie

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] FW: [win10] Official invitation: Joseph Lee will be talking about Windows 10 Version 1803 and beyond on March 26, 2018 at Accessible World Tek Talk

 

Hi everyone,

Please pass this onto others interested in this presentation, especially to Windows 10 users. Thanks, and hope to see you on March 26th.

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 6:20 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] Official invitation: Joseph Lee will be talking about Windows 10 Version 1803 and beyond on March 26, 2018 at Accessible World Tek Talk

 

Hi all,

 

Please pass this onto other forums and folks interested in this:

 

Dear Windows 10 users, screen reader developers, Microsoft staff, third-party app developers, Windows Insiders and others,

 

You’re cordially invited to participate in an audio talk by Joseph Lee on Windows 10, to be held on Accessible World Pat Price Tek Talk room on Monday, March 26, 2018 at 5 PM Pacific. In this talk, Joseph will talk about recent changes to Windows 10 ecosystem, demonstrate key features included in Version 1803 (Spring Creators Update), and showcase a mystery feature from a future version of Windows 10, all using screen readers.

 

Topics to be covered include:

 

  • Recent happenings on Windows 10, including introduction of S and Pro for Workstations, Microsoft Store, mixed reality.
  • Key features from Windows 10 Version 1709, including emoji entry, My People, Narrator changes and more.
  • Highlights from Version 1803, including Timeline, Focus Assist, and other changes.
  • A mystery feature from a future version of Windows 10 (you need to be there to listen to/see the demo).
  • Screen reader compatibility notices and future plans.

 

To join, go to accessibleworld.org, then go to Pat Price room. Then download Talking Communities client, and once it is installed, enter the room. Alternatively, the direct link to the Tek Talk room is:

http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2

 

Hope to see you on March 26th.

Sincerely,

Joseph Lee


Re: FW: [win10] Official invitation: Joseph Lee will be talking about Windows 10 Version 1803 and beyond on March 26, 2018 at Accessible World Tek Talk

 

Hi,

5 PM Pacific.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 6:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Official invitation: Joseph Lee will be talking about Windows 10 Version 1803 and beyond on March 26, 2018 at Accessible World Tek Talk

 

Hi Joseph,

Please, at what time on March 26?

Blessings

Pascal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 9:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] FW: [win10] Official invitation: Joseph Lee will be talking about Windows 10 Version 1803 and beyond on March 26, 2018 at Accessible World Tek Talk

 

Hi everyone,

Please pass this onto others interested in this presentation, especially to Windows 10 users. Thanks, and hope to see you on March 26th.

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 6:20 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] Official invitation: Joseph Lee will be talking about Windows 10 Version 1803 and beyond on March 26, 2018 at Accessible World Tek Talk

 

Hi all,

 

Please pass this onto other forums and folks interested in this:

 

Dear Windows 10 users, screen reader developers, Microsoft staff, third-party app developers, Windows Insiders and others,

 

You’re cordially invited to participate in an audio talk by Joseph Lee on Windows 10, to be held on Accessible World Pat Price Tek Talk room on Monday, March 26, 2018 at 5 PM Pacific. In this talk, Joseph will talk about recent changes to Windows 10 ecosystem, demonstrate key features included in Version 1803 (Spring Creators Update), and showcase a mystery feature from a future version of Windows 10, all using screen readers.

 

Topics to be covered include:

 

  • Recent happenings on Windows 10, including introduction of S and Pro for Workstations, Microsoft Store, mixed reality.
  • Key features from Windows 10 Version 1709, including emoji entry, My People, Narrator changes and more.
  • Highlights from Version 1803, including Timeline, Focus Assist, and other changes.
  • A mystery feature from a future version of Windows 10 (you need to be there to listen to/see the demo).
  • Screen reader compatibility notices and future plans.

 

To join, go to accessibleworld.org, then go to Pat Price room. Then download Talking Communities client, and once it is installed, enter the room. Alternatively, the direct link to the Tek Talk room is:

http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2

 

Hope to see you on March 26th.

Sincerely,

Joseph Lee


Re: FW: [win10] Official invitation: Joseph Lee will be talking about Windows 10 Version 1803 and beyond on March 26, 2018 at Accessible World Tek Talk

Pascal Lambert
 

Hi Joseph,

Please, at what time on March 26?

Blessings

Pascal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 9:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] FW: [win10] Official invitation: Joseph Lee will be talking about Windows 10 Version 1803 and beyond on March 26, 2018 at Accessible World Tek Talk

 

Hi everyone,

Please pass this onto others interested in this presentation, especially to Windows 10 users. Thanks, and hope to see you on March 26th.

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 6:20 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] Official invitation: Joseph Lee will be talking about Windows 10 Version 1803 and beyond on March 26, 2018 at Accessible World Tek Talk

 

Hi all,

 

Please pass this onto other forums and folks interested in this:

 

Dear Windows 10 users, screen reader developers, Microsoft staff, third-party app developers, Windows Insiders and others,

 

You’re cordially invited to participate in an audio talk by Joseph Lee on Windows 10, to be held on Accessible World Pat Price Tek Talk room on Monday, March 26, 2018 at 5 PM Pacific. In this talk, Joseph will talk about recent changes to Windows 10 ecosystem, demonstrate key features included in Version 1803 (Spring Creators Update), and showcase a mystery feature from a future version of Windows 10, all using screen readers.

 

Topics to be covered include:

 

  • Recent happenings on Windows 10, including introduction of S and Pro for Workstations, Microsoft Store, mixed reality.
  • Key features from Windows 10 Version 1709, including emoji entry, My People, Narrator changes and more.
  • Highlights from Version 1803, including Timeline, Focus Assist, and other changes.
  • A mystery feature from a future version of Windows 10 (you need to be there to listen to/see the demo).
  • Screen reader compatibility notices and future plans.

 

To join, go to accessibleworld.org, then go to Pat Price room. Then download Talking Communities client, and once it is installed, enter the room. Alternatively, the direct link to the Tek Talk room is:

http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2

 

Hope to see you on March 26th.

Sincerely,

Joseph Lee