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Re: NVDA Remote question.

Sarah k Alawami
 

If you go to their website, you will be able to dl the latest.

 

Good luck.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Noseworthy
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2022 9:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Remote question.

 

Hi Gang:

 

Is there a version of NVDA Remote that works with the latest version of NVDA?

 

Thanks all over the place.

 

 


Re: NVDA Remote question.

 

This is the direct link to the latest remote add-on:

https://nvdaremote.com/remote-2.5.nvda-addon





On 7/18/2022 12:27 PM, Jim Noseworthy wrote:

Hi Gang:

 

Is there a version of NVDA Remote that works with the latest version of NVDA?

 

Thanks all over the place.

 

 


NVDA Remote question.

Jim Noseworthy
 

Hi Gang:

 

Is there a version of NVDA Remote that works with the latest version of NVDA?

 

Thanks all over the place.

 

 


Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Richard Bartholomew
 

Hi,

Yes, and, from memory, the operators were usually reluctant to do this regularly since it needed a thin rubber sleeve to be fitted over the plattern to absorb the impact of the hammers and produce the dots!

Richard Bartholomew

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Grossoehme
Sent: 18 July 2022 16:54
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Carl: Yes there was a program that used the period command to produce braille. There was a large punched card deck that made this possible with a large translation table to produce dots in the right order to make this happen in order to write on a line printer grade 1 or grade 2 braille. It took 11 lines for one line of braille to be printed. This program used a 1403 IBM Printer back in the early 1970's. I used this program myself in 1972 through 1975.

Dave


On 7/15/2022 12:21 PM, Karl Smith wrote:
You are correct but I think the article was really aimed at human interest describing Ted and the NVDA developers. A real history of how blind people have accessed computers in various ways would take a book. I met a man when I was in Jr. High who worked at the air force base near the school. He had a program I think he wrote which used the period on a line printer to smack the paper hard enough to emboss useable braille for him to read.

Karl


------------------------------

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Access Technology Consultant
4304 South El Camino St.
Taylorsville, Utah 84129

Phone: 866-824-7885
Fax: 866-824-7885
E-mail: karl@...
Alternate E-Mail: karl.axistech@...


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard
Traxler
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 10:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Yes, there was:
TexTalker by Street
Screen Talk, Vocal-Eyes, and Window-Eyes by GW Windows Bridge Vert and
Vert Pro ProTalk ISOSS Flipper ASAP ASAW Artic Tiny Talk VOS (Verbal
Operating System)

And, probably, many more. And each of them probably have a background story. To do a proper history, one could write a book; not just an article.

Howard
On 7/15/2022 10:02 AM, Chris Smart wrote:
I still miss ASAP and my Accent PC card. LOL



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard
Traxler
Sent: July 15, 2022 11:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Very good as a summary. A complete history would have covered many more screen readers and their developers.

Howard


On 7/15/2022 9:40 AM, Aravind R wrote:
very nice informative article.

On 15/07/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io
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Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility week, or
are we late to the party due to inaccessibility. grin
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 4:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)


Hi,

I came across this today and am sharing it here because I think
that many here will find it interesting. (Link below my name.)

-Laurie




The hidden history of screen readers






https://www.theverge.com/23203911/screen-readers-history-blind-hent
e
r
-curran
-teh-nvda

































Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Gene
 

I haven't read the article yet but isn't it the history of Windows screen-readers?  ASAP was a DOS screen-reader and I think an exceptionally good one.  There was a Windows version, ASAW, which was somewhat similar but which wasn't as good as ASAP.  It worked on the same principle but it didn't work as well and didn't have as many features, either because they couldn't be implemented in Windows using the way the screen-reader analyzed what was on the screen for technical reasons or for other reasons.

I used ASAW with Windows 3.1 and Windows 95 but it wasn't developed beyond that and was incompatible with Windows 98 and later versions.

Gene

On 7/18/2022 9:26 AM, Ken Perry wrote:

Not so great article.  It is a Jaws love piece.   They don't even mention things like ASAP which I found was a much more superior product than Jaws and without it I would have never made it through College without writing my own screen reader.

I have been thinking of writing a book on the history of access including all the old fogies before they pass away.  Think anyone would be interested in that?

ken

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 10:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Great article.

However, and perhaps I misunderstood, but it sounds like the author suggests Jaws for Windows was the first screenreader for Windows. Nope. The first was Windows Bridge, from SynthaVoice Computers Inc. and was out at least three years before JFW.



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aravind R
Sent: July 15, 2022 10:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

very nice informative article.

On 15/07/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io <bglists@...> wrote:
Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility week, or are 
we late to the party due to inaccessibility. grin  Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)


Hi,

I came across this today and am sharing it here because I think that 
many here will find it interesting. (Link below my name.)

-Laurie




The hidden history of screen readers






https://www.theverge.com/23203911/screen-readers-history-blind-henter-
curran
-teh-nvda




















Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Dave Grossoehme
 

In approximately 1974 there was a fellow in Denver that produced a machine that you used a stylus to read the punches of each hole in order to read the characters on a punched card.

Dave

On 7/15/2022 12:21 PM, Karl Smith wrote:
You are correct but I think the article was really aimed at human interest describing Ted and the NVDA developers. A real history of how blind people have accessed computers in various ways would take a book. I met a man when I was in Jr. High who worked at the air force base near the school. He had a program I think he wrote which used the period on a line printer to smack the paper hard enough to emboss useable braille for him to read.

Karl


------------------------------

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Access Technology Consultant
4304 South El Camino St.
Taylorsville, Utah 84129

Phone: 866-824-7885
Fax: 866-824-7885
E-mail: karl@...
Alternate E-Mail: karl.axistech@...


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 10:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Yes, there was:
TexTalker by Street
Screen Talk, Vocal-Eyes, and Window-Eyes by GW Windows Bridge Vert and Vert Pro ProTalk ISOSS Flipper ASAP ASAW Artic Tiny Talk VOS (Verbal Operating System)

And, probably, many more. And each of them probably have a background story. To do a proper history, one could write a book; not just an article.

Howard
On 7/15/2022 10:02 AM, Chris Smart wrote:
I still miss ASAP and my Accent PC card. LOL



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard
Traxler
Sent: July 15, 2022 11:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Very good as a summary. A complete history would have covered many more screen readers and their developers.

Howard


On 7/15/2022 9:40 AM, Aravind R wrote:
very nice informative article.

On 15/07/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io
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Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility week, or
are we late to the party due to inaccessibility. grin
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Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 4:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)


Hi,

I came across this today and am sharing it here because I think that
many here will find it interesting. (Link below my name.)

-Laurie




The hidden history of screen readers






https://www.theverge.com/23203911/screen-readers-history-blind-hente
r
-curran
-teh-nvda
































Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

Dave is correct. I would have mentioned this myself but for the life of me i can't think of the name IBM used for this software. I know if I heard it, I would remember.


On 7/18/2022 11:30 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:

Making a search on startpage.com I found out that IBM had a screen reader for Dos.  This was written by a fellow at Harver university by the name of Jim Thatcher as the first Screen Reader.  I wouldn't be surprised by that, when IBM was the first company to have anything that was accessible for the old Main Frame computer.

Dave


On 7/15/2022 11:23 AM, Gene wrote:
This article from AFB says that the first  Windows screen-reader was Window Bridge.
https://www.afb.org/aw/1/4/16165
The first screen reader for a Windows operating system was not released until 1992 when Syntha-Voice Computers released SlimWare Window Bridge for Windows 3.1.

Gene

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Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Dave Grossoehme
 

Carl:  Yes there was a program that used the period command to produce braille.  There was a large punched card deck that made this possible with a large translation table to  produce dots in the right order to make this happen in order to write on a line printer grade 1 or grade 2 braille.  It took 11 lines for one line of braille to be printed.  This program used a 1403 IBM Printer back in the early 1970's.  I used this program myself in 1972 through 1975.

Dave

On 7/15/2022 12:21 PM, Karl Smith wrote:
You are correct but I think the article was really aimed at human interest describing Ted and the NVDA developers. A real history of how blind people have accessed computers in various ways would take a book. I met a man when I was in Jr. High who worked at the air force base near the school. He had a program I think he wrote which used the period on a line printer to smack the paper hard enough to emboss useable braille for him to read.

Karl


------------------------------

Karl Smith
Access Technology Consultant
4304 South El Camino St.
Taylorsville, Utah 84129

Phone: 866-824-7885
Fax: 866-824-7885
E-mail: karl@...
Alternate E-Mail: karl.axistech@...


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 10:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Yes, there was:
TexTalker by Street
Screen Talk, Vocal-Eyes, and Window-Eyes by GW Windows Bridge Vert and Vert Pro ProTalk ISOSS Flipper ASAP ASAW Artic Tiny Talk VOS (Verbal Operating System)

And, probably, many more. And each of them probably have a background story. To do a proper history, one could write a book; not just an article.

Howard
On 7/15/2022 10:02 AM, Chris Smart wrote:
I still miss ASAP and my Accent PC card. LOL



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard
Traxler
Sent: July 15, 2022 11:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Very good as a summary. A complete history would have covered many more screen readers and their developers.

Howard


On 7/15/2022 9:40 AM, Aravind R wrote:
very nice informative article.

On 15/07/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io
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Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility week, or
are we late to the party due to inaccessibility. grin
Brian

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Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 4:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)


Hi,

I came across this today and am sharing it here because I think that
many here will find it interesting. (Link below my name.)

-Laurie




The hidden history of screen readers






https://www.theverge.com/23203911/screen-readers-history-blind-hente
r
-curran
-teh-nvda
































Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Dave Grossoehme
 

Making a search on startpage.com I found out that IBM had a screen reader for Dos.  This was written by a fellow at Harver university by the name of Jim Thatcher as the first Screen Reader.  I wouldn't be surprised by that, when IBM was the first company to have anything that was accessible for the old Main Frame computer.

Dave


On 7/15/2022 11:23 AM, Gene wrote:

This article from AFB says that the first  Windows screen-reader was Window Bridge.
https://www.afb.org/aw/1/4/16165
The first screen reader for a Windows operating system was not released until 1992 when Syntha-Voice Computers released SlimWare Window Bridge for Windows 3.1.

Gene


Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Gaylen Kapperman
 

Ken, Yeah! I think your writing a book on the topic is an excellent idea...capture all of the knowledge about the past before it disappears!
Gaylen Kapperman

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Perry via groups.io
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2022 9:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Not so great article. It is a Jaws love piece. They don't even mention things like ASAP which I found was a much more superior product than Jaws and without it I would have never made it through College without writing my own screen reader.

I have been thinking of writing a book on the history of access including all the old fogies before they pass away. Think anyone would be interested in that?

ken

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 10:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Great article.

However, and perhaps I misunderstood, but it sounds like the author suggests Jaws for Windows was the first screenreader for Windows. Nope. The first was Windows Bridge, from SynthaVoice Computers Inc. and was out at least three years before JFW.



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aravind R
Sent: July 15, 2022 10:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

very nice informative article.

On 15/07/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io <bglists@...> wrote:
Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility week, or are
we late to the party due to inaccessibility. grin Brian

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Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 4:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)


Hi,

I came across this today and am sharing it here because I think that
many here will find it interesting. (Link below my name.)

-Laurie




The hidden history of screen readers






https://www.theverge.com/23203911/screen-readers-history-blind-henter-
curran
-teh-nvda

















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Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Ken Perry
 

Not so great article. It is a Jaws love piece. They don't even mention things like ASAP which I found was a much more superior product than Jaws and without it I would have never made it through College without writing my own screen reader.

I have been thinking of writing a book on the history of access including all the old fogies before they pass away. Think anyone would be interested in that?

ken

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 10:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Great article.

However, and perhaps I misunderstood, but it sounds like the author suggests Jaws for Windows was the first screenreader for Windows. Nope. The first was Windows Bridge, from SynthaVoice Computers Inc. and was out at least three years before JFW.



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Sent: July 15, 2022 10:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

very nice informative article.

On 15/07/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io <bglists@...> wrote:
Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility week, or are
we late to the party due to inaccessibility. grin Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)


Hi,

I came across this today and am sharing it here because I think that
many here will find it interesting. (Link below my name.)

-Laurie




The hidden history of screen readers






https://www.theverge.com/23203911/screen-readers-history-blind-henter-
curran
-teh-nvda

















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Re: "input gesture dialog" bug

 

Hi all,

Looks like a fix is being deployed to alpha build users, and if things go well, folks will get it as part of NVDA 2022.3.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Luke Davis
 

On Jul 16, Shawn via groups.io wrote:

I had a Commodore 64 in the early 90s with the BB Talker word processor and Sam Say, some Sam games that also used Software Automatic Mouth. I also had
another software screen readers that would let me play some conventional games and text based games, I can't remember the name of it, but it used the same
voice and cartridge that the Intelligent Talking Terminal used. I had that too, but I didn't have a license for that, and it couldn't be cracked.
I would have killed for any of those back in the late 80s and early 90s. I never (until just now) knew that any of it existed. I loved the C64, and later the C128, when I had enough vision to use them (slowly, reading one. Character. At. A. Time.). But that vision never extended to some of the text heavy programs like word processors or online services like Compuserve or the BBSes.

It was very hit or miss in what I could and couldn't do with them. Programming in BASIC was fine, as long as I could keep the screen in 40 character, high contrast mode. But some of those alternate text and graphics modes, made even reading text impossible. Meanwhile I could do some graphics well enough to design colored sprites, though never to do anything useful with them other than amuse myself by moving them around the screen and interacting with each other.

Even made my own windowing system, in BASIC, at one time, which looked slightly like very early Windows dialogs and UIs, though I had never seen any of those.
(As in: outlined box with a title bar, a reverse video info bar, and a soothing background color window with text and outlined buttons and such.)

If I could have gotten a C64 to talk outside of the few games that did it from time to time, that would have been delightful.

Luke


Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Luke Davis
 

On Jul 16, Karl Smith wrote:

Does anyone remember the speakwalizer? This was a hardware device developed by someone in the NFB which
connected to a DOS computer and provided speech. I don’t think it required a screen reader as I believe it took information sent to it from the screen and
allowed the user to navigate with controls on the device. I seem to remember it was the only device which would talk during computer setup even before the
OS was running but I may be wrong about that.
I had heard of it, though I don't know if I knew its name. It was this mythical amazing thing that could let you do BIOS/CMOS configurations and accessible OS installs. In my circles there were rumors floating about it, but nobody knew where or how to get one.

I eventually got so good with the DOS setup process, that I could do the whole thing without sighted help; but being able to do POST and firmware work would have been grand indeed.

That was a much more necessary technology to have back then, if you were in the PC building game. I was, but never had any money to really try and track that gadget down.

Luke


Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Brian's Mail list account
 

Yes there were lots of these. What I never understood though was that many home computers like The Spectrum had third party synths at silly cheap prices, under 30 quid, and a rudimentary screenreader for inputting basic, but it did not have other half, ie the ability to readscreen output, unless you put it into a string using the allophonic notation.
OK so this was probably only lack of memory and maybe a bit of speed, but it was never done. I mean we were talking processors running at 3.5Mhz 8 bit here, yet recognisable speech in games through machine code was often very possible. It was obviously the lack of will. The industry would rather make a music synth or drum machine instead of something that spoke the text.
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Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)


I know this is not exactly screen reader related but if you wanna talk
about it terms of my first experience with the Internet you could actually
go back to newspaper audio text telephone information services where I
lived in Kansas City there was a service called Startouch and there were
other such services over the country in the 80s and 90s were you could
enter a four digit code after calling a number for news weather and other
information and it had what we would consider at that time were considered
good synthesizers obviously the technology has improved my first screen
reader that I remember using was Jaws 4.0 and windows 98 Notification





Re: When updating nvda, do I always need to deactivate / activate the eloquence nvda add on again?

Brian's Mail list account
 

Of course the only people who can tell you that are the vendors. I suspect that depends on exactly where the update goes wrong. I remember back in the days I used Dolphin screenreaders, they were pretty laid back if this kind of thing happened as were the third parties selling voices not normally included, and that was years ago.
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Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] When updating nvda, do I always need to deactivate / activate the eloquence nvda add on again?


Hi Gene and Brian

Gene is right, my question is indeed more about licensing.

So basically, within the eloquence and vocalizer add on compatible
release cycle. If I wanted to try out the latest NVDA beta, do I always
need to: one, deactivate the eloquence and vocalizer addon.

Two: update NVDA

Three: reactivate the eloquence and vocalizer addon again.

If one just updates NVDA but something goes Arie during the update
process, does that mean the user loses one of the three activation keys
that come with the purchased addon product.

Hoping this explanation is now crystal clear!

With kind regards

Daniel

On 15/07/2022 10:43, Gene wrote:
Its a question about licensing.

Gene

On 7/15/2022 3:18 AM, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:
I'm not sure what you are saying. I'd have thought that as the
drivers are part of nvda, at least when it updates, it has to do a
restart and hence cannot speak.
In the case of windows updates when windows does this it normally
runs in a mode where as few bits of windows are running as possible,
so it can update system files and then reboots. So are you saying
that this loses the paid for voices unless you deactivated them
before the update then re enable after it? That would seem a little
odd since most registered software seems happy to re initialise as
windows reboots.
What are you trying to hear during the update process, as of course
Narrator can be set to at least talk some prompts, and maybe finding
a different default voice might help, but unless Microsoft are going
to do an Apple and put in Eloquence as standard, you are probably
stuck with whatever happens here.
Brian


Re: When updating nvda, do I always need to deactivate / activate the eloquence nvda add on again?

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Well, most software I have licenses for checks at boot time of the software.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] When updating nvda, do I always need to deactivate / activate the eloquence nvda add on again?


Its a question about licensing.

Gene

On 7/15/2022 3:18 AM, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:
I'm not sure what you are saying. I'd have thought that as the drivers
are part of nvda, at least when it updates, it has to do a restart and
hence cannot speak.
In the case of windows updates when windows does this it normally runs
in a mode where as few bits of windows are running as possible, so it
can update system files and then reboots. So are you saying that this
loses the paid for voices unless you deactivated them before the
update then re enable after it? That would seem a little odd since
most registered software seems happy to re initialise as windows reboots.
What are you trying to hear during the update process, as of course
Narrator can be set to at least talk some prompts, and maybe finding a
different default voice might help, but unless Microsoft are going to
do an Apple and put in Eloquence as standard, you are probably stuck
with whatever happens here.
Brian


Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

 

Oh man.

I started with the keynote gold on the toshiba 1850 unit now dead.

Forget where it is now but if you can get to the talking dosbox archive thhere is a file called oldgames.7z.

This contains my now dead floppy disk archive.

In amongst the interactive fiction and pc games, there are coppies of keysoft 1.3ff, mastertouch 1.32, mastertouch 2 which I got from somewhere, wordperfect 5.1, dos 6.22 and its supplimentry support disk, and a few other things from the olden days.

Now chances are you won't have the hardware to power all this stuff up but software is out there.

I haven't bothered with talkingdosbox and its files because the project hasen't gone anywhere for ages now and I haven't needed to bother with it.

On 17/07/2022 6:33 am, Karl Smith wrote:
There was also a version of VERT on laptops they called personal vert. I was directing a camp for blind teenagers the summer of 1990 and they, naturally, started calling it pervert.

Karl


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Karl Smith
Access Technology Consultant
4304 South El Camino St.
Taylorsville, Utah 84129

Phone: 866-824-7885
Fax: 866-824-7885
E-mail: karl@...
Alternate E-Mail: karl.axistech@...


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Deenadayalan Moodley
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Hi,

I also remember Softvert and Vert Plus.

Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Friday, 15 July 2022 18:07
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Yes, there was:
TexTalker by Street
Screen Talk, Vocal-Eyes, and Window-Eyes by GW Windows Bridge Vert and Vert Pro ProTalk ISOSS Flipper ASAP ASAW Artic Tiny Talk VOS (Verbal Operating System)

And, probably, many more. And each of them probably have a background story. To do a proper history, one could write a book; not just an article.

Howard
On 7/15/2022 10:02 AM, Chris Smart wrote:
I still miss ASAP and my Accent PC card. LOL



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard
Traxler
Sent: July 15, 2022 11:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Very good as a summary. A complete history would have covered many more screen readers and their developers.

Howard


On 7/15/2022 9:40 AM, Aravind R wrote:
very nice informative article.

On 15/07/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io
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Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility week, or
are we late to the party due to inaccessibility. grin
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 4:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)


Hi,

I came across this today and am sharing it here because I think that
many here will find it interesting. (Link below my name.)

-Laurie




The hidden history of screen readers






https://www.theverge.com/23203911/screen-readers-history-blind-hente
r
-curran
-teh-nvda






































Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

tim
 

I was using vocal eyes for dos in 1991 on a IBM PS2, and beta testing windows eyes the next year for win 3.11.

On 7/15/2022 11:00 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I thought it was window eyes which I have used. It might have also been vocal eyes in 1994 or so. I remember quitting to windows or quitting to doss.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 7:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Great article.

However, and perhaps I misunderstood, but it sounds like the author suggests Jaws for Windows was the first screenreader for Windows. Nope. The first was Windows Bridge, from SynthaVoice Computers Inc. and was out at least three years before JFW.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aravind R
Sent: July 15, 2022 10:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

very nice informative article.

On 15/07/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io <bglists@...> wrote:
Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility week, or are
we late to the party due to inaccessibility. grin Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 4:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)


Hi,

I came across this today and am sharing it here because I think that
many here will find it interesting. (Link below my name.)

-Laurie




The hidden history of screen readers






https://www.theverge.com/23203911/screen-readers-history-blind-henter-
curran
-teh-nvda

















Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Karl Smith
 

There was also a version of VERT on laptops they called personal vert. I was directing a camp for blind teenagers the summer of 1990 and they, naturally, started calling it pervert.

Karl


------------------------------

Karl Smith
Access Technology Consultant
4304 South El Camino St.
Taylorsville, Utah 84129

Phone: 866-824-7885
Fax: 866-824-7885
E-mail: karl@...
Alternate E-Mail: karl.axistech@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Deenadayalan Moodley
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Hi,

I also remember Softvert and Vert Plus.

Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Friday, 15 July 2022 18:07
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Yes, there was:
TexTalker by Street
Screen Talk, Vocal-Eyes, and Window-Eyes by GW Windows Bridge Vert and Vert Pro ProTalk ISOSS Flipper ASAP ASAW Artic Tiny Talk VOS (Verbal Operating System)

And, probably, many more. And each of them probably have a background story. To do a proper history, one could write a book; not just an article.

Howard
On 7/15/2022 10:02 AM, Chris Smart wrote:
I still miss ASAP and my Accent PC card. LOL



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard
Traxler
Sent: July 15, 2022 11:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)

Very good as a summary. A complete history would have covered many more screen readers and their developers.

Howard


On 7/15/2022 9:40 AM, Aravind R wrote:
very nice informative article.

On 15/07/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io
<bglists@...> wrote:
Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility week, or
are we late to the party due to inaccessibility. grin
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Laurie Mehta via groups.io" <lauriemehta@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 4:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)


Hi,

I came across this today and am sharing it here because I think that
many here will find it interesting. (Link below my name.)

-Laurie




The hidden history of screen readers






https://www.theverge.com/23203911/screen-readers-history-blind-hente
r
-curran
-teh-nvda

























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