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Re: did you test libreoffice 5.3 and later to read dialogs using screen review?

 

openoffice has minor updates in these years and the last minor update
was in december which was version 4.1.5
and 4.2.0
is near to release i think.
which version of libreoffice do you have?

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Libra Office a couple of versions back was quite good on the document
editor front. I tend not to update to the latest versions as they nearly
always have issues. Open Office seems to have stalled. When wwas it last
updated?
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] did you test libreoffice 5.3 and later to read dialogs
using screen review?


Hello:

LibreOffice is not very accessible with screen readers.

Apache OpenOffice works OK with NVDA. It may not be perfect. But! At
least in my experience it's better than LibreOffice!

Appearantly none of the open source office suites are very interested in

accessibility for the blind! They will not even make an attempt to have a

dialog with screen reader developers to see how the can improve their
software so that the blind can have better access to the software!

At least for selfish reasons Microsoft has worked with screen reader
developers to make MS Office accessible for screen reader users.

More/many blind screen reader users really need to demand from open
source office suites developers to provide great accessibility for the
blind!

I'm so very sorry! That i've not been of much help to you! but, I've had

a very bad experience with LibreOffice in particular, and, with open
source/freeware office suites as a whole!

I really do hope that everyone who reads this will take the time to send

very nice/polite emails to LibreOffice telling them that blind people
really want to use their software and if they make it accessible. Blind
people are very loyal to those who develop blind friendly software!!!



On 2/24/2018 9:12 AM, zahra wrote:
hello every one.
i asked this questions in different posts, but did not recieve reply.
libreoffice since version 5.3, shows dialogs like one combine word
without space when i read them using screen review!
i did not learn object review and sometimes does not work me, so i
prefer to use screen review always.
i appreciate if users of libreoffice give me advice what should i do
to restore previous behaviour of libreofficefor showing dialogs and
messages.
i recorded one sample and i am ready to send if someone helps me in this

regard.
i appreciate any help, God bless you all!
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Re: FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers mustsupport uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps#ADVISORY

Gene
 

A lot of businesses are slow to upgrade because their system works and they don't want the cost of training and of replacing a system that works well.  It's not just in the UK.  Microsoft is in the position, starting with XP, that they built reasonably mature operating systems and, aside from security and convenience features, it has to do what is done in mature capitalist markets, that is create a desire for things people didn't know they wanted before.  So the emphasis in Windows 10 is to get people to pay for and use all sorts of Microsoft services and to drive payments to Bing, by making it the default search engine, etc.  But a lot of people, businesses and institutions won't upgrade despite the new features and the services that are more convenient to use with Windows 10 or are not available in earlier versions of Windows. 
 
Looking back, this sort of thing had to happen.  It happens in all mature markets.  Once you stop selling necessities, or really useful fundamental services, you start selling increasingly less central services and products and you try to develop a demand for them.  That's why Windows 10 is free.  It's not the operating system that is the point.  It's getting it on as many machines as possible.  It's as though cars somehow became so cheap that they could be given away and more money could be made from selling services related to the car.
 
Gene

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Hmm well it just feels hard to learn its keys and then you do it feels very
sluggish to me, but then I only get to use it when I am on windows 10, and
so I'm not exposed to it most of the time. Most people I know are on windows
7 and that includes most of the people who work for the NHS in the UK as
well, so I think although here we may suggest that windows ten is the way
all should go, many companies and organisations are reluctant to break what
is working for them and blind people who work for them will have to use what
they have.
 Like XP which is still in use a lot in the UK, I think the hype over
windows 10 is much over the top. I think that while they keep moving
goalposts about many admins will steer clear in case it mangles already
running systems.

However that is my own opinion, and I'm not entering into  a my screenreader
is better than yours thread on here.
 Brian

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apps#ADVISORY #WinTen1709 #WinTen1803


Narrator to slow and clunky?
What do you meen with clunky?
Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

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mustsupport uIA notification event in order to announce various things from
apps#ADVISORY #WinTen1709 #WinTen1803

It seems to me like Microsoft are slipping back into the ways that got them
into the brown sticky stuff with edge. Ie changing things and putting out
releases with no advisory to the screenreader community of a big change in
the system. we have seen it in Skype recently too. Somebody over there at
Microsoft needs to get a better grip on changes that affect access software
and not merely assume narrator is all that matters.

Narrator is still too slow and clunky to use every day.
 I was going to get a windows 10 machine but until they stop messing about
I'm sorely tempted to stay old fashioned!

Have they lost that Jenny whats her name from the accessibility management
who seemed to do a good job before?
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From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must
support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps
#ADVISORY #WinTen1709 #WinTen1803


> Hi all,
>
>
>
> First, apologies for mentioning competition, but I felt it is best to do
> so
> given the overall context. Second, the advisory is deemed major (to severe
> for some cases) and is applicable for people running Windows 10 Fall
> Creators Update and beyond. The source of this advisory is a Win10 forum
> hosted on Groups.IO at https://win10.groups.io/g/win10.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Joseph Lee
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 9:42 AM
> To: win10@win10.groups.io
> Subject: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA
> notification event in order to announce various things from apps #ADVISORY
> #WinTen1709 #WinTen1803
>
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
>
>
> The following advisory is considered major in that it impacts all known
> screen readers )except for one or two; feel free to pass this on, although
> please do cite where you've got the advisory from):
>
>
>
> Problem: notifications from apps such as Calculator, Microsoft Store and
> others are not announced by screen readers.
>
>
>
> Background: in Windows 10 Version 1709 and later, if apps are written
> correctly, they can send notification texts to be announced by screen
> readers. A UIA client such as a screen reader must be able to catch this
> in
> order to announce certain notifications, including Calculator's display
> window, app update status in Microsoft Store, various notifications from
> Edge, Alarms and Clock and other apps.
>
>
>
> Steps to reproduce:
>
>
>
> 1. While using Windows 10 Version 1709 or later (including current
> Insider Preview builds), launch an app such as Alarms and Clock (be sure
> it
> is the latest version).
> 2. In case of Alarms and Clock, go to Stopwatch tab and start and stop
> the stopwatch.
> 3. For Calculator, do some calculations.
>
>
>
> Expected: screen reader announces messages such as "Stopwatch stopped" in
> Alarms and Clock and "display is something" in Calculator.
>
> Actual: only Narrator announces such texts.
>
> Cause: other screen readers do not track UIA notification event. This is
> due
> to the fact that Version 1709 introduces this event, which requires
> tracking
> a newer UIA interface.
>
>
>
> Known solutions/mitigations/workarounds and impact:
>
>
>
> * Narrator: green light/okay; works out of the box (requires Version
> 1709 and later).
> * JAWS for Windows: red light/major; no support (version 2018.1802.78
> did not solve the Calculator display text problem, for instance).
> * NonVisual Desktop Access: yellow light/solution being tested
> (through an add-on update).
>
>
>
> This advisory will be closed once major screen readers (in addition to the
> three listed above) provides at least a basic solution.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
>
>
>









Re: something strange in outlook

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What add ons are you using, anything that might be affected? My guess its uia again.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] something strange in outlook


Hi, Sam,



I set outlook to plain text but that didn't fix the problem. It is probably something with NVDA.



Rosemarie







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Taylor
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 5:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] something strange in outlook



It now occurs to me that this began to happen for me when I was running betas a couple of weeks ago, and this behaviour has crept into the NVDA RC1 build. It is an NVDA bug that is worth reporting. Perhaps the Outlook message is somehow being modified. This doesn't happen when an alternate screenreader is tested. Note that you need to navigate past the first line of the message. Happy to report this if nobody has done so.



On 25/02/2018 11:50, Gary Metzler wrote:

Hi Rosemary,

I am having the same issue. I hope someone has an answer.

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Subject: [nvda] something strange in outlook

Hi, everyone,

Yesterday and today I noticed something different in outlook. When I hit
escape to get out of a message, I get a message saying that the body of the
message has changed and do I want to save it. I've never seen this before.
Is there something I might need to change in either outlook or NVDA?

Thanks for your help in advance.

Rosemarie


Re: something strange in outlook

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Now this is interesting. Is yours one of the versions of Outlook that uses Word as its editor?
I get this all the time in word. I have a feeling its nvda hooking into something making it think something has changed, for example. I create a word document, I save it, I then go to exit word and it says the text has changed do I want to save it again so to speak. Not every time, but enough to be annoying.

Brian

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Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2018 1:47 AM
Subject: [nvda] something strange in outlook


Hi, everyone,

Yesterday and today I noticed something different in outlook. When I hit
escape to get out of a message, I get a message saying that the body of the
message has changed and do I want to save it. I've never seen this before.
Is there something I might need to change in either outlook or NVDA?

Thanks for your help in advance.

Rosemarie



Re: VOIP client usable with NVDA

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I thought most voip systems these days were hardware that emulated a land line you could plug your phone into. I had vonage for a while but found its tone detection was poor and got wrong numbers all the time.
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Subject: [nvda] VOIP client usable with NVDA


Hi everyone,

As the subject suggests, I'm looking for a VOIP client that I can use with
NVDA. Currently, I'm using 3cx for windows. It's not all that compatible and
is proving to be quite a challenge. If anyone has any suggestions on how to
make it more accessible, or on another client that is more accessible, I'd
love to hear from you.

Thanks,
Rayn


Re: FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps #advisory

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This is the downside of the so called free market of course. You will note that Apple build in their screenreader, and hence there are no third party ones. However is the apple offering the best thing? No as there are still apple ready bits of software ported over that do not work with their screenreader, in the same way we see ported over code compiled for windows which was written for something else and hence has no access at all.
Quite what the answer is here I'm not sure and its probably a debate for a more open forum than this one.
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Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps #ADVISORY #WinTen1709 #WinTen1803


Dear all, dear Joseph,



I was an user of Jaws, Window Eyes, Dolphin and Cobra. I had conversations with developers of any of these screen readers and I always got the impression that everyone wants to push his own concept of screen reading. Developers are trying to compete through different concepts. The biggest disadvantage of this approach is that users of these screen readers have a totally different perception of accessibility. Currently I am providing support for Cobra screen reader users who are changing to NVDA. And I am so glad to be in this community! I mean, NVDA tries to put all accessibility concepts into one standard which is very important. This is why NVDA users would cope with almost every screen reader but it is not so easy for users of other screen readers to change to NVDA. The reason is that user of other screen readers would have to learn more concepts of getting information digitally.



In my view, it was a very big step backwards to make a commercial product out of screen readers which should actually provide a high standard for accessibility. Instead of a common standard approach, we have thousants of users who understand accessibility in very different ways. This makes it difficult for Microsoft and other API providers to consider all these requirements.



I can understand that Microsoft cannot answer questions properly because they get lots of different perspectives. And this is the second reason why our community must grow and show that we have a common understanding regarding accessibility. NV Access has to play its important consultant role in conversations with software developers, and ideally other screen reader developers should cooperate with each other to achieve a good standard.



But unfortunately we still have a big debate between screen reader users and developers. Many users think that screen reader development can only take place if we have many screen readers. But in fact this would be the wrong way because this would be a break to improvements.

On the other hand developers of commercial screen readers are focusing on their product and do not have open eyes for other concepts of other screen readers. So, they try to keep their conceptual background away from going public, which could happen if they disclose important technical information to Microsoft etc.



I thank you Joseph for your crucial work and for your engagement in this community. We rely on developers like you when it comes to accessibility.





Best

Adriani





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Hi,

No, Jenny is still around and leading accessibility efforts at Microsoft.

In response to a post regarding MS slipping back to dark ages: in this context (the overall thread), both sides (MS and screen reader vendors) are at fault: Microsoft for not communicating things well, and screen reader vendors taking a while to respond. At least NVDA is taking the lead in responding back.

As for what’s going on behind the scenes: NVDA did not respond to UIA notification events. We did have means of tracking it for a while (via an add-on), but it wasn’t until yesterday that we began responding properly (again via an add-on update). For those who know where this is going: yes, NVDA will read UIA notification text starting next week once Windows 10 App Essentials 18.03 is released. But this is just a start: I’m using that ad-on to field test what will eventually be edits to NVDA screen reader source code to let NVDA announce notifications without help from an add-on or two (and I’m working on both of these at the moment). This is the reason why I put “yellow light” for NVDA because work is in progress to let NVDA announce notifications.

Cheers,

Joseph



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Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps #ADVISORY #WinTen1709 #WinTen1803



From what I have read, they lost her. I don't see her name on anything recent when I do a Google search. I'm not completely certain though and, yeah. I hear you. XP still is the best thing Microsoft created.


Re: Finally solved my problems with Win10 not updating!

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Yes I have a laptop like that. unfortunately the bios update is no longer available from Dell.
Its just another way to make working computers into door stops.
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Subject: [nvda] Finally solved my problems with Win10 not updating!


Hello all,

I'd like to thank everyone who helped me with suggestions and thoughts last year...
Tony, I think it was you who, amongst other things, suggested to try and update the BIOS.

After tens of different and useless attempts to find out what software or hardware component caused the blocking, my husband finally looked for a newer version of the bios and found it.
He updated it and... LO AND BEHOLD! Now I have the latest Windows version!

Thanks to you all, really, from the bottom of my heart.

We had given up, but Windows had starte nagging me ove the last few weeks, attempting to update at least 20 times a day... So it was time to do something serious about it, and here we are!

Ciao, bless you all!
Ollie


Re: FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps #advisory

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XP should be dead, but there are as I said once before there are still reasons due to politics, wealth or lack of it and other things where a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush if that bush is not available to you right now!


Eventually of course you will be restricted to old software.
I came across a lady a couple of weeks ago still running windows 98, and the machine was on line and did not have any viruses at all.
Of course she was the only user and was using an old version of supernova on it. Until the hardware dies, it will probably suit her. its debatable which will go first her or the hardware!

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I agree with Joseph here also. He and I had a nice 20 MIN or so talk on Skype last night and yes Jenny is still at MS. And Robert XP is dead. Embrace the future of WIN 10 and as I always say viva la NVDA!

Lino Morales

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Hi,
No, Jenny is still around and leading accessibility efforts at Microsoft.
In response to a post regarding MS slipping back to dark ages: in this context (the overall thread), both sides (MS and screen reader vendors) are at fault: Microsoft for not communicating things well, and screen reader vendors taking a while to respond. At least NVDA is taking the lead in responding back.
As for what’s going on behind the scenes: NVDA did not respond to UIA notification events. We did have means of tracking it for a while (via an add-on), but it wasn’t until yesterday that we began responding properly (again via an add-on update). For those who know where this is going: yes, NVDA will read UIA notification text starting next week once Windows 10 App Essentials 18.03 is released. But this is just a start: I’m using that ad-on to field test what will eventually be edits to NVDA screen reader source code to let NVDA announce notifications without help from an add-on or two (and I’m working on both of these at the moment). This is the reason why I put “yellow light” for NVDA because work is in progress to let NVDA announce notifications.
Cheers,
Joseph

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From what I have read, they lost her. I don't see her name on anything recent when I do a Google search. I'm not completely certain though and, yeah. I hear you. XP still is the best thing Microsoft created.


Re: did you test libreoffice 5.3 and later to read dialogs using screen review?

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Libra Office a couple of versions back was quite good on the document editor front. I tend not to update to the latest versions as they nearly always have issues. Open Office seems to have stalled. When wwas it last updated?
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Subject: Re: [nvda] did you test libreoffice 5.3 and later to read dialogs using screen review?


Hello:

LibreOffice is not very accessible with screen readers.

Apache OpenOffice works OK with NVDA. It may not be perfect. But! At least in my experience it's better than LibreOffice!

Appearantly none of the open source office suites are very interested in accessibility for the blind! They will not even make an attempt to have a dialog with screen reader developers to see how the can improve their software so that the blind can have better access to the software!

At least for selfish reasons Microsoft has worked with screen reader developers to make MS Office accessible for screen reader users.

More/many blind screen reader users really need to demand from open source office suites developers to provide great accessibility for the blind!

I'm so very sorry! That i've not been of much help to you! but, I've had a very bad experience with LibreOffice in particular, and, with open source/freeware office suites as a whole!

I really do hope that everyone who reads this will take the time to send very nice/polite emails to LibreOffice telling them that blind people really want to use their software and if they make it accessible. Blind people are very loyal to those who develop blind friendly software!!!



On 2/24/2018 9:12 AM, zahra wrote:
hello every one.
i asked this questions in different posts, but did not recieve reply.
libreoffice since version 5.3, shows dialogs like one combine word
without space when i read them using screen review!
i did not learn object review and sometimes does not work me, so i
prefer to use screen review always.
i appreciate if users of libreoffice give me advice what should i do
to restore previous behaviour of libreofficefor showing dialogs and
messages.
i recorded one sample and i am ready to send if someone helps me in this regard.
i appreciate any help, God bless you all!
--
Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@gmail.com



Re: FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps #advisory

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Oh good, as listening to her interview last year she sounded very committed to me.
I do feel that a company like Microsoft should not put stuff out like this without properly testing it with real world access tools though, and if they are changing stuff like Skype and using via for more things they really need to delay till everyone else catches up, what is a couple of months in the great scheme of things. We have seen this with Firefox recently and there are probably other bits of software out there with issues too.
The decision for many is this.
Go with what you have and hope windows 10 settles down to just updates, or go for it now and get periodic loss of access. The former is my choice as I use the pc a lot for my communications and charity work, but if you have more than one device its often a good idea to keep both just in case of course!
I'd be scratching my head if I only had one puter and it was on this crazy windows 10 new version every few months treadmill at the moment. I have always steered clear of online systems like google mail and docs since one unfortunate change in a web site can spell disaster. That is why I still use outlook express and an older version of word and windows 7.
Eggs in one basket is an old but very true proverb.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps #ADVISORY #WinTen1709 #WinTen1803


Hi,

No, Jenny is still around and leading accessibility efforts at Microsoft.

In response to a post regarding MS slipping back to dark ages: in this context (the overall thread), both sides (MS and screen reader vendors) are at fault: Microsoft for not communicating things well, and screen reader vendors taking a while to respond. At least NVDA is taking the lead in responding back.

As for what’s going on behind the scenes: NVDA did not respond to UIA notification events. We did have means of tracking it for a while (via an add-on), but it wasn’t until yesterday that we began responding properly (again via an add-on update). For those who know where this is going: yes, NVDA will read UIA notification text starting next week once Windows 10 App Essentials 18.03 is released. But this is just a start: I’m using that ad-on to field test what will eventually be edits to NVDA screen reader source code to let NVDA announce notifications without help from an add-on or two (and I’m working on both of these at the moment). This is the reason why I put “yellow light” for NVDA because work is in progress to let NVDA announce notifications.

Cheers,

Joseph



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From what I have read, they lost her. I don't see her name on anything recent when I do a Google search. I'm not completely certain though and, yeah. I hear you. XP still is the best thing Microsoft created.


Re: Fw: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2018.1rc1 released

Antony Stone
 

The question appears to be "what is NVDA 2018.1rc1 used for?", which seems a
bit of an odd question for this list, but maybe Anthony simply isn't familiar
with RC versions of software?

Basically, NVDA 2018.1rc1 is a "release candidate", and should work just like
2018.1 will, unless any significant problems get found.

Hope that helps,


Antony.

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Fw: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2018.1rc1 released

What is that used for if I may ask rosemarie please?

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Fw: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2018.1rc1 released

Hi, Brian,

I just downloaded itand so-far it's working great.

Rosemarie

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Subject: [nvda] Fw: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2018.1rc1 released

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Subject: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2018.1rc1 released

Hi all,


NVDA 2018.1rc1 has just been released. This will be identical to the
2018.1 final release unless any critical bugs are found.


Blog post:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2018-1rc1-released-for-testing/


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Re: Test and a worning

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Bah humbug is all I'll say, but its working again now, though there are posts missing on the email feed of course. Thing is everyone is now migrating to groups.io and I suspect traffic has gone up considerably. Brian

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They are having issues right ow. Someone reported groups.io as a fishing site on edge apparently. You can find out more at I think it's status.groups.io

hope that helps a bit.


Take care

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I got my messages not posting again this morning. Now unbounced the account. It could be that others might have the same issue if a server on the list has been blacklisted, so just wanted to mention this. Of course if its happened already you won't see this message!
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Re: question

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No cos media player, winamp etc can play streams as well.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] question


If it plays in a media player, most likely you have the file already
downloaded on your computer. Open the searchbox or whatever it is called
in Windows 10 and type:

%temp%

Check the folder that opens for a file with mp4 or waf or something like
that. You might even have the name in the download list of your browser.

HTH,
Dzhovani

On 24.2.2018 г. 15:51, anthony borg wrote:

Yes it plays in media player when I hit enter on the link.

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Gene
*Sent:* 23 February 2018 14:38
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] question

But when you press enter on the link, what happens? Does it play In
Media Player? I believe someone described how to download a file such
as a podcast playing in Windows Media Player. But before that method
is of any use to you, does the file open in the player?

Gene

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*Subject:*Re: [nvda] question

Hi gene

It is on a website. And I want to download a copy of it. Thanks in
advance

Anthony

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[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Gene
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How are you getting to the podcast in the first place? Is it playing
in Media Player?

Gene

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*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] question

Hi folks

Can somebody explain to me how to download a podcast from the internet
using windows media player please?

Thanks in advance

Anthony


Re: question

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But you could easily play it in any media player. You need to tell us what file type it is.
Some are playlist files, ie the playlist is downloaded and this has the address in it of the file and its type.
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Yes it plays in media player when I hit enter on the link.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 23 February 2018 14:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question



But when you press enter on the link, what happens? Does it play In Media
Player? I believe someone described how to download a file such as a
podcast playing in Windows Media Player. But before that method is of any
use to you, does the file open in the player?



Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] question



Hi gene

It is on a website. And I want to download a copy of it. Thanks in advance

Anthony



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[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 22 February 2018 18:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
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How are you getting to the podcast in the first place? Is it playing in
Media Player?



Gene

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Subject: [nvda] question



Hi folks

Can somebody explain to me how to download a podcast from the internet using
windows media player please?

Thanks in advance

Anthony




Re: Blindspot is a windowless spotify

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Yes me too on the phone, except mine is older its an owasys from spain.
Its held together by parcel tape so sooner or later I'll have to join the real world of touchy feely phones.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Blindspot is a windowless spotify


I tried using the new windows 10 app and there are still unlabeled buttons. And none of the check boxes anounce themselves so I may go back to BlindSpot. I'm honestly shocked they made some aspects of the program accessible. How in the world did that happen? LOL! Someone suggested I just use their mobile app. I still use a flip phone! I perfer to use my laptop and desktop for, well, everything else. I'm old school, I guess. There are active feature suggestions popping up so someone is working on it, somewhere! LOL.


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National Centre for Biotech Information?
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It's the ncbi site.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 23 February 2018 17:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question



What site is it on?







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
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Subject: Re: [nvda] question



Hi gene

It is on a website. And I want to download a copy of it. Thanks in advance

Anthony



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Subject: Re: [nvda] question



How are you getting to the podcast in the first place? Is it playing in
Media Player?



Gene

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Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:34 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: [nvda] question



Hi folks

Can somebody explain to me how to download a podcast from the internet using
windows media player please?

Thanks in advance

Anthony




Re: FW: [win10] Version 1709 and beyond: screen readers must support uIA notification event in order to announce various things from apps #advisory

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She only just became a US citizen, being British of course. She seemed to get accessibility.
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From what I have read, they lost her. I don't see her name on anything recent when I do a Google search. I'm not completely certain though and, yeah. I hear you. XP still is the best thing Microsoft created.


Re: Fw: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2018.1rc1 released

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What is what used for?
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What is that used for if I may ask rosemarie please?

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Sent: 23 February 2018 17:46
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Fw: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2018.1rc1 released

Hi, Brian,

I just downloaded itand so-far it's working great.

Rosemarie

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Subject: [nvda] Fw: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2018.1rc1 released

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Subject: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2018.1rc1 released


Hi all,


NVDA 2018.1rc1 has just been released. This will be identical to the
2018.1 final release unless any critical bugs are found.


Blog post:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2018-1rc1-released-for-testing/


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Yes but so will a radio station, and you cannot download that as its length is not known at the start.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] question


The problem is that it isn’t a file but when I press enter on the link it starts playing

I hope you will be able to understand what I mean.

Regards

Anthony



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Subject: Re: [nvda] question



Hello,



Pressing enter on the link will probably open it, if it’s to be downloaded, try the context menu, [key to the left of the right control key on a standard keyboard], you get options including maybe “save as” or “save target as”, this should bring up the normal save as dialogue and the file can be saved to a folder, from there it cvan be opened in a program such as Windows media player.

We don’t know what kindof file it is so can’t be specific, I hope this helps and good luck.







Best Regards, Jim.



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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:38 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



But when you press enter on the link, what happens? Does it play In Media Player? I believe someone described how to download a file such as a podcast playing in Windows Media Player. But before that method is of any use to you, does the file open in the player?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:15 AM

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Subject: Re: [nvda] question



Hi gene

It is on a website. And I want to download a copy of it. Thanks in advance

Anthony



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 22 February 2018 18:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] question



How are you getting to the podcast in the first place? Is it playing in Media Player?



Gene

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Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:34 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: [nvda] question



Hi folks

Can somebody explain to me how to download a podcast from the internet using windows media player please?

Thanks in advance

Anthony


Re: question

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Interestingly some sites muck things up for example a certain site used to have a different podcast address to download with a podcast downloader as well as the main one. I neglected to remove this address from my podcatcher, and then suddenly the other day it was trying to continuously download a file on the old address. This was because the site in question simply reused the rss link to send its stream out on.
That is probably not the best way them to have done things, and of course at any one time the file here was always incomplete and about four megs long as it kept refreshing from the start.

I guess these days there are so many ways to make files available its hard to know what is going on.
If you do ever want to record a file which won't let you download it, there are programs around that will, Virtual recorder is one of them, but remember unless you are careful, the screenreader and system sounds can get recorded as well.
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Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question


Hi gene

Your explanation is quite right. There isn’t any file to download but to play it on the website.

Regards

Anthony



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 24 February 2018 11:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question



I discussed the file type briefly but my main point is that using the context menu will allow you to save files on some sites and not on others. this is not related to the file type, it's how the site is constructed.



We don't know, but my guess is that, in this case, Internet Explorer is being used and the file opens in Windows Media player, hence the question of how to save from there.



In the context of other browsers, not the archaic Internet Explorer, the file is played in the browser when you press enter on the link. If you are on a site where save target as or equivalent doesn't work, you need to know that you can use the command control s while the file is playing, and save it while in the browser in that way.



Of course, that presupposes that you are dealing with an actual file that is playing from the site as a file, and not a stream. The stream plays a little of a file and then refreshes the buffer in the browser or player but the entire file is never available. Just a little bit ahead of where you are listening. It can't be saved because it is a stream, not a file playing as a file from the web site. Since this is called a podcast in the question, the odds are that it is an actual file being played from the web site, not a stream as I am using the word.



Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] question



Hello Gene,



If you read my message again, I do say, “We don’t know what kind of file it is so can’t be specific”,

It’s worth a try anyway, if the original questioner could say exactly what podcast is to be downloaded, that would be better.

As you rightly say,that is why you asked questions.

Best Regards, Jim.



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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:57 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



That is one way you can save many files. But it is important to know other ways as well. Some sites don't support downloading files in that way. That's why I asked questions such as whether the file opens in Windows media Player.



Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] question



Hello,



Pressing enter on the link will probably open it, if it’s to be downloaded, try the context menu, [key to the left of the right control key on a standard keyboard], you get options including maybe “save as” or “save target as”, this should bring up the normal save as dialogue and the file can be saved to a folder, from there it cvan be opened in a program such as Windows media player.

We don’t know what kindof file it is so can’t be specific, I hope this helps and good luck.







Best Regards, Jim.



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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:38 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



But when you press enter on the link, what happens? Does it play In Media Player? I believe someone described how to download a file such as a podcast playing in Windows Media Player. But before that method is of any use to you, does the file open in the player?



Gene

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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:15 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] question



Hi gene

It is on a website. And I want to download a copy of it. Thanks in advance

Anthony



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 22 February 2018 18:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] question



How are you getting to the podcast in the first place? Is it playing in Media Player?



Gene

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From: anthony borg <mailto:anthonyborg001@gmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:34 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: [nvda] question



Hi folks

Can somebody explain to me how to download a podcast from the internet using windows media player please?

Thanks in advance

Anthony