Is this still available? I rather want it to be available in other software
including Jaws and some self voicing and mp3 creation software so we can
use the same voice somebody likes.
And no rude comments about anyone liking Espeak please, each to their own.
Brian

Hi, everyone,



Just want to admit that I was wrong about the blind mice megamall site not
being accessible. I just became a member. To the person who said that the
site is not accessible, you have to look at the form in browse mode. Then
you can fill it out. I looked at the site in both firefox and internet
explorer. This is a great lesson to learn for all of us--not to jump to
conclusions.



Rosemarie

Thank you for your kind words. I wanted to make it right with the group.
Next time I'll think before I post.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 4:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] just became a blind mice megamall member

That took a lot of courage to admit, Rosemarie, especially on a public
forum. I admire you a lot for doing that, in case it actually matters.

Again, I have no affiliation whatever w/Blind Mice Mall. Indeed, truth be
told, I resent the name, but that has to do w/personal issues which are
completely my responsibility & nothing whatever to do w/them.
Still, I felt that calling their site inaccessible was ill-informed at best
& libelous at worst.

What you did was really stand-up. Not many would've done that.
Congratulations on your integrity of character!

On 9/8/18, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, everyone,



Just want to admit that I was wrong about the blind mice megamall site
not being accessible. I just became a member. To the person who said
that the site is not accessible, you have to look at the form in
browse mode. Then you can fill it out. I looked at the site in both
firefox and internet explorer. This is a great lesson to learn for all
of us--not to jump to conclusions.



Rosemarie

--
Remember! Friends Help Friends Be Cybersafe Jackie McBride Helping
Cybercrime Victims 1 Person at a Time https://brighter-vision.com

Hi, everyone,



Just want to admit that I was wrong about the blind mice megamall site
not being accessible. I just became a member. To the person who said
that the site is not accessible, you have to look at the form in
browse mode. Then you can fill it out. I looked at the site in both
firefox and internet explorer. This is a great lesson to learn for all
of us--not to jump to conclusions.



Rosemarie

Hi, everyone,



Just want to admit that I was wrong about the blind mice megamall site
not being accessible. I just became a member. To the person who said
that the site is not accessible, you have to look at the form in
browse mode. Then you can fill it out. I looked at the site in both
firefox and internet explorer. This is a great lesson to learn for all
of us--not to jump to conclusions.



Rosemarie

Hi, everyone,



Just want to admit that I was wrong about the blind mice megamall site not
being accessible. I just became a member. To the person who said that the
site is not accessible, you have to look at the form in browse mode. Then
you can fill it out. I looked at the site in both firefox and internet
explorer. This is a great lesson to learn for all of us--not to jump to
conclusions.



Rosemarie

FYI, the most commonly accepted definition of malware as used by
security pros is software that is installed on a user's computer w/o
their knowledge or consent.

On 9/8/18, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:

I think there are better ways of expressing that than saying "every software

package you use is malware".

Also, why should an anti-virus scanner claim that something that simply
hasn't
been signed by Microsoft is malware? Firstly, it has to give a name to the

virus or Trojan that has been found in the package, and secondly any scanner

which kept giving false positive results would quickly lose reputation to
the
competition, who search for actual virus code rather than assuming "not
signed
by Microsoft" = "suspicious".


Antony.

On Saturday 08 September 2018 at 22:15:45, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Its not me, I was simply pointing out that most software doesn't have a
valid security signature which is why antivirus stuff has issues with it.

That was my point.

Only certain software does, my other point was with all the certs being
hacked/lost/released early or whatever that maybe it is not the best to
use especially since a lot of normal non corperate users may not be able
to afford it though I have not seen any proof of this.

On 9/9/2018 8:08 AM, Antony Stone wrote:

What on earth is your definition of "malware", Shaun?

Antony.

On Saturday 08 September 2018 at 22:05:05, Shaun Everiss wrote:

To be honest, every software package you use is malware.

And its not because its malware, ages back microsoft developed a
certification system based on signatures.

While thats used a lot, its either to expensive or only given to
certain
companies, microsoft uses it, norton does, some other manufacturers of
high profile use it but most of us don't.

If your file has a known signature, ie is microsoft software then its
fine.

If not it needs to be trusted.

With the degree of certs being dropped similar to people losing their
keys quite a lot not to mention all the ssl issues over the past year
or
so, my view is that we should simply scrap the siganture security
system
or at least bring the cost down to a point where people would actually
use it.

On 9/9/2018 2:40 AM, Mallard wrote:

lol! I wouldn't believe there's a virus in the browser... rather, I'd
think there's a tendency on the part of some antivirus software to
see
a lot of open sourcr or somehow "non-standard" software as
potentially
harmful.

360 Total Security, which I'm using as an antivirus, kept blocking
NVDA, and it took me a good deal oftime and effort to make it believe
that NVDA is no malware...


Thanks Gene for your version of Tor. No hurry. Upload whenever you
have time.

Ciao,

Ollie

--
A user interface is like a joke.
If you have to explain it, it means it doesn't work.

Please reply to the
list;
please *don't* CC
me.

I think there are better ways of expressing that than saying "every software
package you use is malware".

Also, why should an anti-virus scanner claim that something that simply hasn't
been signed by Microsoft is malware? Firstly, it has to give a name to the
virus or Trojan that has been found in the package, and secondly any scanner
which kept giving false positive results would quickly lose reputation to the
competition, who search for actual virus code rather than assuming "not signed
by Microsoft" = "suspicious".


Antony.

On Saturday 08 September 2018 at 22:15:45, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Its not me, I was simply pointing out that most software doesn't have a
valid security signature which is why antivirus stuff has issues with it.

That was my point.

Only certain software does, my other point was with all the certs being
hacked/lost/released early or whatever that maybe it is not the best to
use especially since a lot of normal non corperate users may not be able
to afford it though I have not seen any proof of this.

On 9/9/2018 8:08 AM, Antony Stone wrote:

What on earth is your definition of "malware", Shaun?

Antony.

On Saturday 08 September 2018 at 22:05:05, Shaun Everiss wrote:

To be honest, every software package you use is malware.

And its not because its malware, ages back microsoft developed a
certification system based on signatures.

While thats used a lot, its either to expensive or only given to certain
companies, microsoft uses it, norton does, some other manufacturers of
high profile use it but most of us don't.

If your file has a known signature, ie is microsoft software then its
fine.

If not it needs to be trusted.

With the degree of certs being dropped similar to people losing their
keys quite a lot not to mention all the ssl issues over the past year or
so, my view is that we should simply scrap the siganture security system
or at least bring the cost down to a point where people would actually
use it.

On 9/9/2018 2:40 AM, Mallard wrote:

lol! I wouldn't believe there's a virus in the browser... rather, I'd
think there's a tendency on the part of some antivirus software to see
a lot of open sourcr or somehow "non-standard" software as potentially
harmful.

360 Total Security, which I'm using as an antivirus, kept blocking
NVDA, and it took me a good deal oftime and effort to make it believe
that NVDA is no malware...


Thanks Gene for your version of Tor. No hurry. Upload whenever you
have time.

Ciao,

Ollie

I think there are better ways of expressing that than saying "every software

package you use is malware".

Also, why should an anti-virus scanner claim that something that simply
hasn't
been signed by Microsoft is malware? Firstly, it has to give a name to the

virus or Trojan that has been found in the package, and secondly any scanner

which kept giving false positive results would quickly lose reputation to
the
competition, who search for actual virus code rather than assuming "not
signed
by Microsoft" = "suspicious".


Antony.

On Saturday 08 September 2018 at 22:15:45, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Its not me, I was simply pointing out that most software doesn't have a
valid security signature which is why antivirus stuff has issues with it.

That was my point.

Only certain software does, my other point was with all the certs being
hacked/lost/released early or whatever that maybe it is not the best to
use especially since a lot of normal non corperate users may not be able
to afford it though I have not seen any proof of this.

On 9/9/2018 8:08 AM, Antony Stone wrote:

What on earth is your definition of "malware", Shaun?

Antony.

On Saturday 08 September 2018 at 22:05:05, Shaun Everiss wrote:

To be honest, every software package you use is malware.

And its not because its malware, ages back microsoft developed a
certification system based on signatures.

While thats used a lot, its either to expensive or only given to
certain
companies, microsoft uses it, norton does, some other manufacturers of
high profile use it but most of us don't.

If your file has a known signature, ie is microsoft software then its
fine.

If not it needs to be trusted.

With the degree of certs being dropped similar to people losing their
keys quite a lot not to mention all the ssl issues over the past year
or
so, my view is that we should simply scrap the siganture security
system
or at least bring the cost down to a point where people would actually
use it.

On 9/9/2018 2:40 AM, Mallard wrote:

lol! I wouldn't believe there's a virus in the browser... rather, I'd
think there's a tendency on the part of some antivirus software to
see
a lot of open sourcr or somehow "non-standard" software as
potentially
harmful.

360 Total Security, which I'm using as an antivirus, kept blocking
NVDA, and it took me a good deal oftime and effort to make it believe
that NVDA is no malware...


Thanks Gene for your version of Tor. No hurry. Upload whenever you
have time.

Ciao,

Ollie

--
A user interface is like a joke.
If you have to explain it, it means it doesn't work.

Please reply to the
list;
please *don't* CC
me.

Its not me, I was simply pointing out that most software doesn't have a
valid security signature which is why antivirus stuff has issues with it.

That was my point.

Only certain software does, my other point was with all the certs being
hacked/lost/released early or whatever that maybe it is not the best to
use especially since a lot of normal non corperate users may not be able
to afford it though I have not seen any proof of this.

On 9/9/2018 8:08 AM, Antony Stone wrote:

What on earth is your definition of "malware", Shaun?

Antony.

On Saturday 08 September 2018 at 22:05:05, Shaun Everiss wrote:

To be honest, every software package you use is malware.

And its not because its malware, ages back microsoft developed a
certification system based on signatures.

While thats used a lot, its either to expensive or only given to certain
companies, microsoft uses it, norton does, some other manufacturers of
high profile use it but most of us don't.

If your file has a known signature, ie is microsoft software then its
fine.

If not it needs to be trusted.

With the degree of certs being dropped similar to people losing their
keys quite a lot not to mention all the ssl issues over the past year or
so, my view is that we should simply scrap the siganture security system
or at least bring the cost down to a point where people would actually
use it.

On 9/9/2018 2:40 AM, Mallard wrote:

lol! I wouldn't believe there's a virus in the browser... rather, I'd
think there's a tendency on the part of some antivirus software to see
a lot of open sourcr or somehow "non-standard" software as potentially
harmful.

360 Total Security, which I'm using as an antivirus, kept blocking
NVDA, and it took me a good deal oftime and effort to make it believe
that NVDA is no malware...


Thanks Gene for your version of Tor. No hurry. Upload whenever you
have time.

Ciao,

Ollie

What on earth is your definition of "malware", Shaun?

Antony.

On Saturday 08 September 2018 at 22:05:05, Shaun Everiss wrote:

To be honest, every software package you use is malware.

And its not because its malware, ages back microsoft developed a
certification system based on signatures.

While thats used a lot, its either to expensive or only given to certain
companies, microsoft uses it, norton does, some other manufacturers of
high profile use it but most of us don't.

If your file has a known signature, ie is microsoft software then its fine.

If not it needs to be trusted.

With the degree of certs being dropped similar to people losing their
keys quite a lot not to mention all the ssl issues over the past year or
so, my view is that we should simply scrap the siganture security system
or at least bring the cost down to a point where people would actually
use it.

On 9/9/2018 2:40 AM, Mallard wrote:

lol! I wouldn't believe there's a virus in the browser... rather, I'd
think there's a tendency on the part of some antivirus software to see
a lot of open sourcr or somehow "non-standard" software as potentially
harmful.

360 Total Security, which I'm using as an antivirus, kept blocking
NVDA, and it took me a good deal oftime and effort to make it believe
that NVDA is no malware...


Thanks Gene for your version of Tor. No hurry. Upload whenever you
have time.

Ciao,

Ollie

To be honest, every software package you use is malware.

And its not because its malware, ages back microsoft developed a
certification system based on signatures.

While thats used a lot, its either to expensive or only given to certain
companies, microsoft uses it, norton does, some other manufacturers of
high profile use it but most of us don't.

If your file has a known signature, ie is microsoft software then its fine.

If not it needs to be trusted.

With the degree of certs being dropped similar to people losing their
keys quite a lot not to mention all the ssl issues over the past year or
so, my view is that we should simply scrap the siganture security system
or at least bring the cost down to a point where people would actually
use it.

On 9/9/2018 2:40 AM, Mallard wrote:

lol! I wouldn't believe there's a virus in the browser... rather, I'd
think there's a tendency on the part of some antivirus software to see
a lot of open sourcr or somehow "non-standard" software as potentially
harmful.

360 Total Security, which I'm using as an antivirus, kept blocking
NVDA, and it took me a good deal oftime and effort to make it believe
that NVDA is no malware...


Thanks Gene for your version of Tor. No hurry. Upload whenever you
have time.

Ciao,

Ollie

lol! I wouldn't believe there's a virus in the browser... rather, I'd think there's a tendency on the part of some antivirus software to see a lot of open sourcr or somehow "non-standard" software as potentially harmful.

360 Total Security, which I'm using as an antivirus, kept blocking NVDA, and it took me a good deal oftime and effort to make it believe that NVDA is no malware...


Thanks Gene for your version of Tor. No hurry. Upload whenever you have time.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 08/09/2018 15:24, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William ha scritto:

Well, please don't spread miss leading information.
If you encounter virus, this is certainly not the problem of the browser , may be you have downloaded from non-trustful sources or may be the person has virus  already in his computer, etc. but there is nothing do with the browser itself.

Gene 於 8/9/2018 8:41 寫道:

You don't have to use it on the dark web nor with any unscrupulous sites.  It's intended use is to allow people who want to browse and make it vary hard to be tracked to do so. You can open any site you wish.  It is especially useful, from what I've read, for people living in countries where the Internet is censored.  You can see sites that are censored because you are using the server Tor provides and not using your Internet provider's server.  It is also much harder to track you.
Don't be frightened by the negative comments in this thread. Read the information on the web site and of course, if you want more information or to verify what you have read, there are all sorts of places to find information.  I'm sure Wikipedia has a comprehensive article about the Tor browser.
Also, I'll put the version in my Drop box account that I was talking about earlier today.  I'll do so either tonight or tomorrow.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* 特種兵 <mailto:afreettears@...>
*Sent:* Friday, September 07, 2018 7:15 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Talking about Tor: Is there any tutorial to use the programme?


   It gave me a bad impression, because the first time I saw him was
because my friend had a virus, and the file "readme" said that it would
use this browser to open a web page and pay them.
because The virus encoding your file.
   I hope that you will not encounter this situation, and don't be
stupid enough to pay, because you can't guarantee that they will return
the decoding file to you.
   I have seen this virus two or three times, so I don't like this
browser very much. It always makes me think that it is also an accomplice.

thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan

tim 於 2018/09/08 7:41 寫道:

take it from someone that uses that browser. Don’t use it on

windows you do not have enough protection to be safe.

It is used for dark web browser and every site will track you. If

you do want to use it on any op use a VPN.

I would check it on youtube search for dark web or deep web. You

will find stuff that is past real and is not tv.

Also don’t use any credit cards they mostly use crept coin.

On Sep 7, 2018, at 5:48 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...

<mailto:marrie12@...>> wrote:

When I used it as a proxy, it was very slow. That is the nature

of the browser, and it is just something we will have to deal with. No matter how many prophecies are online, it will still be slow. I was only getting maybe about 128kbps down and up. It was beautiful.

On September 7, 2018 11:13:18 "Mallard" <mallard@...

<mailto:mallard@...>> wrote:

Ciao Lino,


I tried a few years ago, but it slowed my machine down so much,

that I

gave up. I thought it was me doing something wrong, but then I

had a

much slower computer, with only a couple gb of ram...

Quack-Quadk,

Ollie The Duck





Il 07/09/2018 19:57, Lino Morales ha scritto:

What up Duck. From what I’ve been told Tore works like Firefox or
Waterfox. I’ve thought about using it myself a while. Have fun and
happy downloading.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>

for

Windows 10

------------------------------------------------------------------------

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of Mallard

<mallard@... <mailto:mallard@...>>
*Sent:* Friday, September 7, 2018 4:26:10 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Talking about Tor: Is there any tutorial to

use the

programme?
Hello list,

I've been wanting to use Tor for a whle, more out of curiosity

than of

real need, but have never found anyone to give me clues.

Is there any tutorial available, possibly in text, but also in

audio for

lack of text?

Thanks in advance for any help you can give.
Ciao,
Ollie