Hello gene

Last thursday I got the update of the windows essential for NVDA, but by mistake instead I pressed alt-y to install it, I pressed the escape key.

So do I have to do that update manually now? and if I have to do that from where I should do it?

Thanks in advance

Anthony


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 11 August 2018 01:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: windows essential update


I don't have a suggestion about how to eliminate the behavior but I suspect you are asking because you reboot regularly, perhaps once a day. This is unnecessary. You should reboot from time to time, but you may not have to do so for many days or perhaps a seven day week or more. You can experiment and see at what point the system develops instability or odd problems start to occur. You can use hibernate and eliminate the problem except when you do a full reboot.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@...>

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 6:36 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 startup and NVDA


Well I have the same issues on my systems one of which doesn't have
anything, so it all depends on the order things start, sometimes things
start, sometimes nvda starts just to early for the desktop, sometimes
well it doesn't start but then it will if I wait.



On 8/11/2018 1:44 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Its not just windows 10. I use 7, and sometimes I get the long period
when nothing will work. sometimes it says unknown, then start, then a
pause then desktop and sometimes landscape too. I have discovered that
most of this silliness is due to a driver Jaws added onto my machine.
although I do not have jaws set to come on at start, I recently took
advantage of a very cheap licence for it and it seems to have added a
video driver without asking. I thought these display drivers all went
away after Windows XP, but it seems not. I think the loading of this
slugs te machine and causes stuff to be spoken not previously seen.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 11:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] Win10 startup and NVDA


Hi All,

Does anyone experience this:

After I turn on my laptop, enter my password, it goes to the desktop
and NVDA voice comes up;

Then a long silence during which no key works;

then a message announcing the size of the window;

then long silence; and finally the desktop is working.

Is there anyone to disable the announcing of the window size? Any
other suggestion?

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click



On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 06:27 PM, Gene wrote:

If the site is coded so unconventionally, as Brian says, who knows
what is causing the problem.

Gene, what happens when you activate that link? When I
activate it, whether by regular mouse click or in a screen reader, the
end result is dead silence and, in the case of a screen reader, with
no object having focus anywhere in the visible area where the link
activation makes the page scroll to.

If I were not able to see exactly what's happening, and
what NVDA "sees" as happening via the Focus Highlight add-on, I'd
definitely think that activating that link "did nothing" and repeated
space bar presses or hits of enter after activating it initially do
nothing more since nothing's got focus where they clearly intend for
the user to begin picking from two dropdown lists.

It's just plain weird, weird, weird.

Well I have the same issues on my systems one of which doesn't have
anything, so it all depends on the order things start, sometimes things
start, sometimes nvda starts just to early for the desktop, sometimes
well it doesn't start but then it will if I wait.



On 8/11/2018 1:44 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
> Its not just windows 10. I use 7, and sometimes I get the long period
> when nothing will work. sometimes it says unknown, then start, then a
> pause then desktop and sometimes landscape too. I have discovered that
> most of this silliness is due to a driver Jaws added onto my machine.
> although I do not have jaws set to come on at start, I recently took
> advantage of a very cheap licence for it and it seems to have added a
> video driver without asking. I thought these  display drivers all went
> away after Windows XP, but it seems not. I think the loading of this
> slugs te machine and causes stuff to be spoken not previously seen.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal E-mail to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pascal Lambert" <rambeau68@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 11:48 PM
> Subject: [nvda] Win10 startup and NVDA
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone experience this:
>
> After I turn on my laptop, enter my password, it goes to the desktop
> and NVDA voice comes up;
>
> Then a long silence during which no key works;
>
> then a message announcing the size of the window;
>
> then long silence; and finally the desktop is working.
>
> Is there anyone to disable the announcing of the window size?  Any
> other suggestion?
>
> Many thanks
>
> Blessings
>
> Pascal
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Brian Vogel
> Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:36 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 06:27 PM, Gene wrote:
>
> If the site is coded so unconventionally, as Brian says, who knows
> what is causing the problem.
>
>               Gene, what happens when you activate that link? When I
> activate it, whether by regular mouse click or in a screen reader, the
> end result is dead silence and, in the case of a screen reader, with
> no object having focus anywhere in the visible area where the link
> activation makes the page scroll to.
>
>                If I were not able to see exactly what's happening, and
> what NVDA "sees" as happening via the Focus Highlight add-on, I'd
> definitely think that activating that link "did nothing" and repeated
> space bar presses or hits of enter after activating it initially do
> nothing more since nothing's got focus where they clearly intend for
> the user to begin picking from two dropdown lists.
>
>                It's just plain weird, weird, weird.
>

Its not just windows 10. I use 7, and sometimes I get the long period when nothing will work. sometimes it says unknown, then start, then a pause then desktop and sometimes landscape too. I have discovered that most of this silliness is due to a driver Jaws added onto my machine. although I do not have jaws set to come on at start, I recently took advantage of a very cheap licence for it and it seems to have added a video driver without asking. I thought these  display drivers all went away after Windows XP, but it seems not. I think the loading of this slugs te machine and causes stuff to be spoken not previously seen.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Pascal Lambert" <rambeau68@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 11:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] Win10 startup and NVDA


Hi All,

Does anyone experience this:

After I turn on my laptop, enter my password, it goes to the desktop and NVDA voice comes up;

Then a long silence during which no key works;

then a message announcing the size of the window;

then long silence; and finally the desktop is working.

Is there anyone to disable the announcing of the window size?  Any other suggestion?

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click



On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 06:27 PM, Gene wrote:

If the site is coded so unconventionally, as Brian says, who knows what is causing the problem.

              Gene, what happens when you activate that link? When I activate it, whether by regular mouse click or in a screen reader, the end result is dead silence and, in the case of a screen reader, with no object having focus anywhere in the visible area where the link activation makes the page scroll to.

               If I were not able to see exactly what's happening, and what NVDA "sees" as happening via the Focus Highlight add-on, I'd definitely think that activating that link "did nothing" and repeated space bar presses or hits of enter after activating it initially do nothing more since nothing's got focus where they clearly intend for the user to begin picking from two dropdown lists.

               It's just plain weird, weird, weird.

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 01:24 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Try going to settings, then region and language , then the voice you want then adjust the rate of speech.

You mean Settings, Time & Language, then, depending on what you really intend to do:

1.  Region & Language Pane.   Use this pane if you wish to change the base speech rate for all voices in a given language pack.  You generally only need/want to do this if you have installed multiple languages or multiple dialects (e.g., US, UK, Australian, Canadian English) for a single language.  If this is the case, you then have to pick the Language under Preferred Languages for which you wish to change the default base speech rate used by Windows 10 itself, "activate it" [for me, a left mouse click] such that its Options button appears, then activate that.  Under the dialog that then pops up there is an area entitled "Speech" with a link Settings, which you have to activate.  Then there's a slider in that dialog for Rate.

2.  Speech Pane.  This allows you to tweak base rate for individual voices within a language pack or across language packs without changing them all.  There is a section entitled "Text to Speech" under which is a dropdown allowing you to pick the voice you want and once you have that there is a slider for Speed.  After you tweak the slider there is a "Preview" button to let you hear a sample of what your choice will sound like.

Of course, programs that use speech synthesis as part and parcel of their functioning generally allow rate tweaking from within their own settings, too.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 

You said you are having increasing problems with links not working.  I'm not just pursuing the question for this site.  You may have a more general problem.

Hi Gene, maybe I should just forget it.

Thank you very much for the help..

Scott

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Are you using any popup blockers or ad blockers or noscript or anything that may be causing this problem?  If the site is coded so unconventionally, as Brian says, who knows what is causing the problem. 

Yes I tried turning off browse mode and then clicking, no luck, however I notice the links say visited link, so I find that strange also.

Take care

Scott

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

I'm beginning to wonder if there is a problem with your system, I don't know what it might be.  Did you do the test of turning off browse mode and clicking links?  We need to determine if this is a UIA problem or something else. 

Hmmm, that is strange.  I’ve used both chrome and firefox. 

Scott

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

What browser are you using?  I had no problem clicking on links, including that one and the FAQ link.

Hello, I’m just trying to click on the get started link so I can sign up for an account.  I guess if all else fails, I will just have to sign up using a mobile app. 

Thank you

Scott

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Scott,

        The site you list has another twist on the hover over theme but it's not hover over.   That page is, overall, one of the most complex I've encountered in a long time.

         It's difficult to know what to experiment with.  If you have a specific control you'd like for me to explore to start let me know what it is.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 7:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need to speed up Slow voice on Windows start-up

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 01:24 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Try going to settings, then region and language , then the voice you want then adjust the rate of speech.

You mean Settings, Time & Language, then, depending on what you really intend to do:

1.  Region & Language Pane.   Use this pane if you wish to change the base speech rate for all voices in a given language pack.  You generally only need/want to do this if you have installed multiple languages or multiple dialects (e.g., US, UK, Australian, Canadian English) for a single language.  If this is the case, you then have to pick the Language under Preferred Languages for which you wish to change the default base speech rate used by Windows 10 itself, "activate it" [for me, a left mouse click] such that its Options button appears, then activate that.  Under the dialog that then pops up there is an area entitled "Speech" with a link Settings, which you have to activate.  Then there's a slider in that dialog for Rate.

2.  Speech Pane.  This allows you to tweak base rate for individual voices within a language pack or across language packs without changing them all.  There is a section entitled "Text to Speech" under which is a dropdown allowing you to pick the voice you want and once you have that there is a slider for Speed.  After you tweak the slider there is a "Preview" button to let you hear a sample of what your choice will sound like.

Of course, programs that use speech synthesis as part and parcel of their functioning generally allow rate tweaking from within their own settings, too.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

Chris,

Thanks for getting back so quickly!

I cannot find any command to “copy my saved settings to login and other secure screens” in settings>general within NVDA. I don’t know if I am using NVDA at startup but if so, why is the voice different from Eloquence, which is the only voice that I use in NVDA? To answer this definitively, I would like to complete the action you describe abut I cannot see how to do it since this command does not appear in my settings

Can you help?

If you are using nvda on login screen it may well may be that you need to copy the saved settings to the login and other secure screens

To copy your currently saved settings over try opening nvda menu then preferences then under general press the button  copy my saved settings to login and other secure screens

Let nvda do its thing and then see how is then

Hi,

I’ve been unable to find an answer to this anywhere on the web for some time now, so, I hope someone on the list can advise me what to do.

I am running Windows10 Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.165)

with NVDA Version: 2018.2.1

I have Windows speaking the password prompt at bootup. The system is using a completely different voice from the Eloquence that I use in NVDA. That makes me think this is a Windows setting rather than an NVDA setting. I cannot find where the system voice is located or how it is managed so that I can adjust the speaking rate. Any ideas where I can find it and how to adjust the rate?

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

If you are using nvda on login screen it may well may be that you need to copy the saved settings to the login and other secure screens

To copy your currently saved settings over try opening nvda menu then preferences then under general press the button  copy my saved settings to login and other secure screens

Let nvda do its thing and then see how is then

Hi,

I’ve been unable to find an answer to this anywhere on the web for some time now, so, I hope someone on the list can advise me what to do.

I am running Windows10 Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.165)

with NVDA Version: 2018.2.1

I have Windows speaking the password prompt at bootup. The system is using a completely different voice from the Eloquence that I use in NVDA. That makes me think this is a Windows setting rather than an NVDA setting. I cannot find where the system voice is located or how it is managed so that I can adjust the speaking rate. Any ideas where I can find it and how to adjust the rate?

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

Hi,
The API this add-on uses is available on Windows 8 and later. The
person who is in charge of the overall framework (not me) for which
this add-on is a part of is investigating how to bring this feature to Windows 7 users too.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis
Zwicker
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 8:45 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Screen Curtain

Hi!

Why does Screen Curtain only work on win8 and later?

would be cool if it could be made to work under 7.


Greetings


Dennis

Hi,
The API this add-on uses is available on Windows 8 and later. The person who
is in charge of the overall framework (not me) for which this add-on is a
part of is investigating how to bring this feature to Windows 7 users too.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Zwicker
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 8:45 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Screen Curtain

Hi!

Why does Screen Curtain only work on win8 and later?

would be cool if it could be made to work under 7.


Greetings


Dennis

Hi,

 

I’ve been unable to find an answer to this anywhere on the web for some time now, so, I hope someone on the list can advise me what to do.

 

I am running Windows10 Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.165)

with NVDA Version: 2018.2.1

I have Windows speaking the password prompt at bootup. The system is using a completely different voice from the Eloquence that I use in NVDA. That makes me think this is a Windows setting rather than an NVDA setting. I cannot find where the system voice is located or how it is managed so that I can adjust the speaking rate. Any ideas where I can find it and how to adjust the rate?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

Hi,

I’ve been unable to find an answer to this anywhere on the web for some time now, so, I hope someone on the list can advise me what to do.

I am running Windows10 Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.165)

with NVDA Version: 2018.2.1

I have Windows speaking the password prompt at bootup. The system is using a completely different voice from the Eloquence that I use in NVDA. That makes me think this is a Windows setting rather than an NVDA setting. I cannot find where the system voice is located or how it is managed so that I can adjust the speaking rate. Any ideas where I can find it and how to adjust the rate?

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...