But most people use IMAP, not POP these days. If you use a different
computer, all the mail you have saved on the server or that is in the
inbox will automatically download to the e-mail program on the computer
you are using.

As for efficient, while I haven't used on line interfaces much and I
might alter my opinion if I did, I haven't found any interface that is
as efficient as an e-mail program where I just move down a list of
messages and press enter on one I want to read.

In GMail, for example, If I want to read an e-mail without hearing a lot
of verbiage I don't care about, I have to keep switching between having
browse mode off and browse mode on. If I use the browse mode off method
GMail provides to move from one message to another and have it read
while leaving browse mode off, there is a lot of excessive verbiage that
is announced at the beginning of every message.

Gene

On 8/2/2022 8:13 AM, Thomas N. Chan wrote:

You can download emails onto your gmail.
like example, if you have an hotmail or yahoo email, you can set it up
whereby it will download like pop email onto a label aka folder. more
efficient as compared to an email client.
I can move to different computer and see the same email. I delete
one, it will be gone from the rest. since gmail itself allows you to
download mails, you can also delete it or leave it on your mail server.
your email client can only work if you have a working computer. if
your computer dies or laptop gone, then where is all your emails?

It might be subjective if email client is faster for some but I can
move around in gmail faster than on outlook.


Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 3:28 PM Gene <gsasner@...
<mailto:gsasner@...>> wrote:

I used to think that you needed a different interface for online
e-mail with every provider. I was informed by a knowledgeable
person, however, that GMail allows you to use GMail for different
providers. I don't know how this is done nor what providers you
can use with the GMail interface.

I don't think any online interface for e-mail is as efficient as
an e-mail program for blind users but if people want to use online
interfaces, knowing that GMail offers consolidation may be
important for some users with different providers.

Gene

On 8/2/2022 2:21 AM, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io
<http://groups.io> wrote:

Oh I'm sure, but the big niggled I have on web delivered mail is
that having accounts on different ISPs each and every interface
is totally different, whereas all are the same in a client in
most respects. I try to keep things simple.
Brian

Hello Halie,

I had the same misunderstanding, I thought I needed to buy a new version of Vocaliser voices, but all you need to do is update the license as described by others, don't forget to unsubscribe your license key before installing the update.

You will need to download the voices again when complete.

Best Regards, Jim.

With the Code Factory Vocalizer Voices not working in the latest NVDA version, what are people using at this point?  If you could provide me with links where I can get new voices, that would be great.

Thanks,

Haylie

-- 

What version of the Code Factory voices?  They are not working on the computer I updated to the latest version of NVDA.

Thanks,

Haylie

I’m using the code factory voices with the latest nvda version.  What seems to be the trouble? They are working fine here, knock on wood.

Are you using an add-on for the voices?  I don't use them and I don't recall, from the little I played with them if an add-on is required.  If so, the add-on needs updating.  I'll let others discuss how to do that.

Meanwhile, you asked about other voices.  From the little playing around with the Vocalizer Voices I did, it appears to me that the Microsoft One Core Voice Cira is roughly equivalent to the Vocalizer lower quality options.  I consider the lower quality options to be significantly superior in naturalness to the supposedly higher quality options.  They pause more naturally and they may have less problems joining words together. 

You may want to continue to use Code Factory Voices but meantime, Cira may be a good free option that is already on the machine.
You may like David but Cira is a little better at diction.

Gene

On 8/20/2022 8:00 PM, Haylie Gallacher wrote:

What version of the Code Factory voices?  They are not working on the computer I updated to the latest version of NVDA.

Thanks,

Haylie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2022 6:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Voices not working - Other Synthesizer Options

 

I’m using the code factory voices with the latest nvda version.  What seems to be the trouble? They are working fine here, knock on wood.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Haylie Gallacher
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2022 2:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Voices not working - Other Synthesizer Options

 

With the Code Factory Vocalizer Voices not working in the latest NVDA version, what are people using at this point?  If you could provide me with links where I can get new voices, that would be great.

Thanks,

Haylie

What version of the Code Factory voices?  They are not working on the computer I updated to the latest version of NVDA.

Thanks,

Haylie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2022 6:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Voices not working - Other Synthesizer Options

 

I’m using the code factory voices with the latest nvda version.  What seems to be the trouble? They are working fine here, knock on wood.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Haylie Gallacher
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2022 2:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Voices not working - Other Synthesizer Options

 

With the Code Factory Vocalizer Voices not working in the latest NVDA version, what are people using at this point?  If you could provide me with links where I can get new voices, that would be great.

Thanks,

Haylie

I’m using the code factory voices with the latest nvda version.  What seems to be the trouble? They are working fine here, knock on wood.

With the Code Factory Vocalizer Voices not working in the latest NVDA
version, what are people using at this point?  If you could provide me
with links where I can get new voices, that would be great.

Thanks,

Haylie

Hi Janet

Thanks for this. Insert and End alone did nothing for me. But when I pressed Insert Shift End in Word, it worked. because I was in laptop mode. When I switched to desktop mode, Insert End worked.

David

Want to preface by saying in no way was I hoping anyone here would do
troubleshooting I can do, was just looking for feedback to the question "is
this sort of math reading error common/known" so I could rule out it being
something with the LMS, with the version of Mathjax used, etc. to widen my
knowledgebase before knowing what to try out next.

I will now answer my own question, being given the hint by you all to
experiment with the set synths and voices. I had not done this because the
goal on our side is to provide accessible and readable math, with the
responsibility for the customization needed for this screenreader or that
being with the user.

This reading error occurs also in FF, and I should have said this (but
Chrome is our target browser since it is the one used by the schools.)

The default synth setting is what we are using since we adjusted nothing
after installation. It is Windows OneVoice with the voice Microsoft David.
I tries the other two OneVoice voice options; the pronunciation issue
remained. So then I changed the synth setting to Microsoft Speech API v. 5,
using the Microsoft Dave voice, and now it reads "x cubed" as expected!

Thank you for the breadcrumbs leading me to the information I needed most,
which was essentially confirmation that the math is accessible, and the
reading issue here lies with NVDA specifications that need tweaking.

Very grateful!

Joy

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022, 1:50 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 01:42 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:

To you "eekup" seems an english message?

For me it is not an english message...

-
Which is precisely the point and the problem. It's isolated to cubed
variables, and one of them, the X one, is at least far closer to what it
should be than the Y one is.

All other instances referenced make it crystal clear that the announcement
is both correct, and in English.

I don't know how that could possibly have been clearer from the initial
problem statement, message #98716
<https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/98716>. This is one of the
best-written complex problem statements I've ever had the privilege to read
on this group.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his
ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.*

~ Vance Packard

Sounds incredibly complicated! I hate to say this, but now I have another
problem! I've been trying it out on my partner's computer and it worked for
a while, but while playing Pyramid, I needed to bring up a new deal. Neither
Enter nor Space would work to do this, then, subsequently, NVDA stopped
reading any card buttons with arrows at all. Could this be a setting within
NVDA that needs to change, or a bug within the game app -- which, I know is
outside of the scope of this list. I just thought the NVDA part would be
worth asking.

On 20 Aug 2022, at 3:09 am, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:


Hi Iris, You're welcome.

Yes, it wasn't until recently that Microsoft made improvements to
Solitaire Collection in terms of accessibility. Back in say, 2015 (when
Windows 10 made its debut), cards and card decks were not labeled
properly; rather, they were labeled using a UIA (UI Automation) facility
that I haven't even thought of, something Narrator did support then (that
facility was called "localized control type", a text representing how
screen readers should report what the control is to users but localized
for various languages; in Solitaire Collection, cards and card decks were
"shown" (presented to screen readers) as an unknown control with the
actual card suit and rank seen as a distinct control type, localized to
various languages, including, surprisingly enough, United States English;
how this is even possible is way beyond the scope of this forum as it
touches multilingual user interface). This changed a few weeks ago with
the release of Solitaire Collection 4.13, with cards and card decks having
actual labels in a form that NVDA can better understand (technical: UIA
name property; the internals of this is again beyond the scope of this
forum as we need to go into geeky side of UIA support from NVDA).

Although I don't have extensive knowledge of parts of UI Automation and
deeper parts of NVDA as several members here, you can count me in as a
resident NVDA developer (or used to be as my immediate occupation is a
university instructor and a graduate student). And no, my contributions
are not as widely applied as say, Tyler Spivey's.

Cheers,

Joseph

On 20 Aug 2022, at 3:09 am, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:



Hi Iris, You're welcome.

Yes, it wasn't until recently that Microsoft made improvements to Solitaire Collection in terms of accessibility. Back in say, 2015 (when Windows 10 made its debut), cards and card decks were not labeled properly; rather, they were labeled using a UIA (UI Automation) facility that I haven't even thought of, something Narrator did support then (that facility was called "localized control type", a text representing how screen readers should report what the control is to users but localized for various languages; in Solitaire Collection, cards and card decks were "shown" (presented to screen readers) as an unknown control with the actual card suit and rank seen as a distinct control type, localized to various languages, including, surprisingly enough, United States English; how this is even possible is way beyond the scope of this forum as it touches multilingual user interface). This changed a few weeks ago with the release of Solitaire Collection 4.13, with cards and card decks having actual labels in a form that NVDA can better understand (technical: UIA name property; the internals of this is again beyond the scope of this forum as we need to go into geeky side of UIA support from NVDA).

Although I don't have extensive knowledge of parts of UI Automation and deeper parts of NVDA as several members here, you can count me in as a resident NVDA developer (or used to be as my immediate occupation is a university instructor and a graduate student). And no, my contributions are not as widely applied as say, Tyler Spivey's.

Cheers,

Joseph

Hi all,

I know you can press F6 a few times to get to the Status bar. Does NVDA
also have a keystroke combination to reveal it like JAWS has Insert
Page Down?

Thanks,

David