Everything should be fine. Mozilla enhancements has been updated. There are some differences.

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On 8/23/2022 2:25 PM, Don H wrote:

Running latest Win 10 aand latest released version of NVDA.
I am currently runing Thunderbird version 91.13.0 and Thunderbird wants me to update to version 102.2.0
Does this new vversion of Thunderbird work well with NVDA or is this the one that has issues that came up on the list a while back?
Thanks

Running latest Win 10 aand latest released version of NVDA.

I am currently runing Thunderbird version 91.13.0 and Thunderbird wants

me to update to version 102.2.0

Does this new vversion of Thunderbird work well with NVDA or is this the

one that has issues that came up on the list a while back?

Thanks

Running latest Win 10 aand latest released version of NVDA.
I am currently runing Thunderbird version 91.13.0 and Thunderbird wants me to update to version 102.2.0
Does this new vversion of Thunderbird work well with NVDA or is this the one that has issues that came up on the list a while back?
Thanks

Running latest Win 10 aand latest released version of NVDA.
I am currently runing Thunderbird version 91.13.0 and Thunderbird wants me to update to version 102.2.0
Does this new vversion of Thunderbird work well with NVDA or is this the one that has issues that came up on the list a while back?
Thanks

Oh yes, Window-Eyes was the smartest screen reader out there. I still miss it.

 

All the best

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: 18 August 2022 14:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] apostrophe prononciation

 

Wow!  I had window eyes, and I didn’t see that.  Pam.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2022 3:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] apostrophe prononciation

 

But some synths are smart enough to do it for you. Window-Eyes had a great feature for punctuation, called "Controlled By Synthesiser". This literally let the synth do its thing. If you do that with Eloquence and you type 1.1, you'll get One Point One, but if you type a full stop at the end of a sentence, it would say Period.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Sent: 18 August 2022 08:09

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] apostrophe prononciation

 

One has to be careful on context though as dot is point in decimals.

Also, hand  altering has issues with hash or number since this character as I recall is used in the system as a marker so you end up with two of them in that entry. Never be too hasty.

Brian

 

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2022 10:15 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] apostrophe prononciation

 

 

Wow, you’re the first I’ve heard of Brian to change Dot to Period. It’s quicker to say Dot.

 

 

 

All the best

 

 

 

Steve

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel

Sent: 17 August 2022 17:26

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] apostrophe prononciation

 

 

 

What are you currently getting for "apostrophe"?

 

There is the symbol:  in- word '

which is what you'd have in contractions that would need to be changed from

"tick" to "apostrophe."  There are also three standalone instances of that

character.

 

The easiest way to make sure you've got all of them is to enter the word

(no quotes) "tick" in the filter box, then what gets returned from that

filtering in the first 4 entries are all of the various instances of the

tick/apostrophe where you would want to change the replacement to apostrophe

and, possibly, left apostrophe and right apostrophe if you are concerned

about pairing.

 

In looking at the file Mr. Spivey made reference to, the only thing

contained in it is the changes the user has made, and nothing else.  Mine

has entries for the period character to make it say period rather than dot

in certain contexts.  Hence the reason removing it effectively resets

everything to defaults.  And since it is a text file, and probably has not

too many entries for most users, if you did really want to check just what

you've changed, and perhaps delete individual entries, opening it in Notepad

and reviewing those lines is relatively simple.  You just have to be careful

about what you're doing.

--

 

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

 

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability

to express powerful meanings indirectly.

 

         ~ Vance Packard

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have you tryed CereProc voices?

Works just fine on modern windows unlike the cepstral ones

Cepstral dont care on mac os anymore

For example

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows

 

Från: Shaun Everiss
Skickat: den 23 augusti 2022 01:15
Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Voices not working - Other Synthesizer Options

 

aah good to know.

Its a pitty that acapella do not do sapi voices anymore because I was tempted to buy them and maybe the atnt stuff from maxiaids but really I really don't need any mmore its just I only have the realspeak synths and would like a few more bundles if I can.

 

On 23/08/2022 3:14 am, mattias wrote:

Stay away from cepstral!

They are unstable on modern windows

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows

 

Från: Wesley Martin
Skickat: den 21 augusti 2022 23:58
Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Voices not working - Other Synthesizer Options

 

Hi. I'm a relatively new list member, but I'd like to respond. I use primarily the Microsoft Richard Canadian voice, even though I live in the USA. Also, you can get some very high-quality voices at cepstral.com  but they're not free.

 

 

Have you tryed CereProc voices?

Works just fine on modern windows unlike the cepstral ones

Cepstral dont care on mac os anymore

For example

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows

 

Från: Shaun Everiss
Skickat: den 23 augusti 2022 01:15
Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Voices not working - Other Synthesizer Options

 

aah good to know.

Its a pitty that acapella do not do sapi voices anymore because I was tempted to buy them and maybe the atnt stuff from maxiaids but really I really don't need any mmore its just I only have the realspeak synths and would like a few more bundles if I can.

 

On 23/08/2022 3:14 am, mattias wrote:

Stay away from cepstral!

They are unstable on modern windows

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows

 

Från: Wesley Martin
Skickat: den 21 augusti 2022 23:58
Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Voices not working - Other Synthesizer Options

 

Hi. I'm a relatively new list member, but I'd like to respond. I use primarily the Microsoft Richard Canadian voice, even though I live in the USA. Also, you can get some very high-quality voices at cepstral.com  but they're not free.

 

 

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 01:02 AM, Tyler Spivey wrote:

Your current symbol level is causing the symbols to be ignored. For example, a ' on its own won't be read unless you set your symbol level to all.
You could argue that NVDA should automatically set the symbol level to all and reset it when the dialog closes so it's easier for people to edit their symbols, but that's not how it works.

-
Then, I have to say, someone wasn't thinking.  In a dialog such as that one you need to have the symbol/punctuation indicated, always, otherwise you have no freakin' idea of what it is you might be working with (unless you already knew that "tick" was the replacement for a single quote, etc.)  You could also believe, with ease, that you're actually working with a character (e.g. semicolon) that you're not working with at all.

I honestly see no reason for that dialog to announce what are hidden separator characters during the editing process that the end user cannot see (if they can literally see) nor need to know about in any way.  They're not relevant for what the end user is trying to do.

I'll have to put together a bug report later today, because if all of this behavior doesn't constitute a bug, I don't know what would.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 09:47 AM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:

It’s the windows mail ap.

-
And what synth is in use?  Does this occur across different synths?

I'm with Gene in that I have never, even once, heard "flat" used as a substitute for either "period" or "dot."

I would definitely be looking at the punctuation & symbol settings focusing on sentence-ending period if this occurs across multiple synths.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

NVDA has a setting in the Punctuation/symbol pronunciation dialog for every setting that says something like send symbol to synthesizer. 
You may be able to do the same or roughly the same thing for individual punctuation marks and other symbols as you evidently could globally in Window-eyes..

Those interested may wish to experiment.

Gene

Wow!  I had window eyes, and I didn’t see that.  Pam.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2022 3:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] apostrophe prononciation

 

But some synths are smart enough to do it for you. Window-Eyes had a great feature for punctuation, called "Controlled By Synthesiser". This literally let the synth do its thing. If you do that with Eloquence and you type 1.1, you'll get One Point One, but if you type a full stop at the end of a sentence, it would say Period.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via groups.io

Sent: 18 August 2022 08:09

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] apostrophe prononciation

 

One has to be careful on context though as dot is point in decimals.

Also, hand  altering has issues with hash or number since this character as I recall is used in the system as a marker so you end up with two of them in that entry. Never be too hasty.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2022 10:15 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] apostrophe prononciation

 

 

Wow, you’re the first I’ve heard of Brian to change Dot to Period. It’s quicker to say Dot.

 

 

 

All the best

 

 

 

Steve

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel

Sent: 17 August 2022 17:26

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] apostrophe prononciation

 

 

 

What are you currently getting for "apostrophe"?

 

There is the symbol:  in- word '

which is what you'd have in contractions that would need to be changed from

"tick" to "apostrophe."  There are also three standalone instances of that

character.

 

The easiest way to make sure you've got all of them is to enter the word

(no quotes) "tick" in the filter box, then what gets returned from that

filtering in the first 4 entries are all of the various instances of the

tick/apostrophe where you would want to change the replacement to apostrophe

and, possibly, left apostrophe and right apostrophe if you are concerned

about pairing.

 

In looking at the file Mr. Spivey made reference to, the only thing

contained in it is the changes the user has made, and nothing else.  Mine

has entries for the period character to make it say period rather than dot

in certain contexts.  Hence the reason removing it effectively resets

everything to defaults.  And since it is a text file, and probably has not

too many entries for most users, if you did really want to check just what

you've changed, and perhaps delete individual entries, opening it in Notepad

and reviewing those lines is relatively simple.  You just have to be careful

about what you're doing.

--

 

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

 

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability

to express powerful meanings indirectly.

 

         ~ Vance Packard

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow!  I had window eyes, and I didn’t see that.  Pam.

Sent from Mail for Windows

But some synths are smart enough to do it for you. Window-Eyes had a great feature for punctuation, called "Controlled By Synthesiser". This literally let the synth do its thing. If you do that with Eloquence and you type 1.1, you'll get One Point One, but if you type a full stop at the end of a sentence, it would say Period.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via groups.io

Sent: 18 August 2022 08:09

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] apostrophe prononciation

One has to be careful on context though as dot is point in decimals.

Also, hand  altering has issues with hash or number since this character as I recall is used in the system as a marker so you end up with two of them in that entry. Never be too hasty.

Brian

--

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2022 10:15 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] apostrophe prononciation

Wow, you’re the first I’ve heard of Brian to change Dot to Period. It’s quicker to say Dot.

All the best

Steve

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel

Sent: 17 August 2022 17:26

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] apostrophe prononciation

What are you currently getting for "apostrophe"?

There is the symbol:  in- word '

which is what you'd have in contractions that would need to be changed from

"tick" to "apostrophe."  There are also three standalone instances of that

character.

The easiest way to make sure you've got all of them is to enter the word

(no quotes) "tick" in the filter box, then what gets returned from that

filtering in the first 4 entries are all of the various instances of the

tick/apostrophe where you would want to change the replacement to apostrophe

and, possibly, left apostrophe and right apostrophe if you are concerned

about pairing.

In looking at the file Mr. Spivey made reference to, the only thing

contained in it is the changes the user has made, and nothing else.  Mine

has entries for the period character to make it say period rather than dot

in certain contexts.  Hence the reason removing it effectively resets

everything to defaults.  And since it is a text file, and probably has not

too many entries for most users, if you did really want to check just what

you've changed, and perhaps delete individual entries, opening it in Notepad

and reviewing those lines is relatively simple.  You just have to be careful

about what you're doing.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability

to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

I have heard of the following problem with speech programs before but can’t remember the solution. Using my laptop, if I stop using the keyboard for several seconds there is a delay when I start typing again. I get the same problem using NVDA or Narrator. Is there a setting within the Screenreader or is it a setting on the computer?

Brian

Have you tryed CereProc voices?

Works just fine on modern windows unlike the cepstral ones

Cepstral dont care on mac os anymore

For example

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows

 

Från: Shaun Everiss
Skickat: den 23 augusti 2022 01:15
Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Voices not working - Other Synthesizer Options

 

aah good to know.

Its a pitty that acapella do not do sapi voices anymore because I was tempted to buy them and maybe the atnt stuff from maxiaids but really I really don't need any mmore its just I only have the realspeak synths and would like a few more bundles if I can.

 

On 23/08/2022 3:14 am, mattias wrote:

Stay away from cepstral!

They are unstable on modern windows

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows

 

Från: Wesley Martin
Skickat: den 21 augusti 2022 23:58
Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Voices not working - Other Synthesizer Options

 

Hi. I'm a relatively new list member, but I'd like to respond. I use primarily the Microsoft Richard Canadian voice, even though I live in the USA. Also, you can get some very high-quality voices at cepstral.com  but they're not free.

 

 

The wonderful thing about the Windows OneCore voices, in all languages, is
that they're all free and able to be downloaded and installed in mere
minutes. I don't use anywhere near to all of the voices available for
English, but I have US, Canadian, UK, and Australian dialects installed.

Stay away from cepstral!

They are unstable on modern windows

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows

 

Från: Wesley Martin
Skickat: den 21 augusti 2022 23:58
Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Voices not working - Other Synthesizer Options

 

Hi. I'm a relatively new list member, but I'd like to respond. I use primarily the Microsoft Richard Canadian voice, even though I live in the USA. Also, you can get some very high-quality voices at cepstral.com  but they're not free.

 

Stay away from cepstral!

They are unstable on modern windows

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows

 

Från: Wesley Martin
Skickat: den 21 augusti 2022 23:58
Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Voices not working - Other Synthesizer Options

 

Hi. I'm a relatively new list member, but I'd like to respond. I use primarily the Microsoft Richard Canadian voice, even though I live in the USA. Also, you can get some very high-quality voices at cepstral.com  but they're not free.