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Locked Re: Windows App Essentials 22.09.1 #addonrelease

 

Hi,

Okay, what does WinVer say?

Cheers,

Joseph


Locked Re: Windows App Essentials 22.09.1 #addonrelease

 

On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 09:58 AM, tim wrote:
I can't blame him for asking this, because win 7 is dead and has been for 3 years.
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It's also probable that Windows 7 support in NVDA itself will be disappearing within the next year.

Those who wish to continue using a supported version of NVDA had ought to take this on board and update to Windows 10 if they still have Windows 7.

The moment that NVDA drops support for Windows 7 I will assiduously enforce (as I do now) the rule about discussion of out-of-support (by both NVDA and Windows) software being inappropriate on the NVDA main group. [The Chat Subgroup is open season, and most conversation there is about how to use specific pieces of software where the "screen reader aspect" is incidental.]

People need to realize that it is difficult enough to deal with the combinations of things that actually remain in support, and it is not a good use of valuable time to keep "clutching corpses."
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

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       ~ Irving Babbitt


Re: NVDA's built-in OCR Capabilities

 

On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 10:34 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Not as far as I know with NVDA,
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Thanks.

Then for those who are dealing with documents, whether short or long (I've done documents in the hundreds of pages), that they know they'll be referring to again and again or want to share with others, I offer the following:  Using Tracker Software’s PDF-Xchange Viewer to OCR Process Image Scanned PDFs

It's not particularly labor intensive when you know that you need to reference a given PDF over and over again and only want to have to do OCR processing once.  Tracker also supplies multiple language packs beyond the "core four" at no charge.  I had a client once who was using PDF-Xchange Viewer to OCR process scanned PDFs in Swedish.

I've also encouraged my clients who were grad students, who kept being given image scanned PDFs created years ago, to OCR process them this way then give the resulting file back to their professor, asking them to replace the one they've been using that has no text layer, so future blind students don't have to do this at all.
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       ~ Irving Babbitt


Re: confusion about add-on updates

 

On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 11:08 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:
It says I am running 21H1 and it requires 21H2 or 22H2. 
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You have an issue with Windows Update.  Version 21H2 has been the latest version of both Windows 10 and 11 for heading in to a year now.  Version 22H2 is due for release in the near future, but is not yet out yet.

Go to the Microsoft Windows 10 Download Page, then activate the Update Now button/link to force an update to 21H2 (the November 2021 update).
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It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection.

       ~ Irving Babbitt


Re: Preventing NVDA from speaking headers in Access

 

On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 06:08 PM, Ann Byrne wrote:
The database has fields in columns that have headers.
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I'd suggest reaching out to member TheeQuinn about this.  I do not believe she reads the group routinely, but she did an entire series of YouTube tutorials on using MS-Access with NVDA.  If anyone might know of the top of their head, it would be her.
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       ~ Irving Babbitt


Re: confusion about add-on updates

Sarah k Alawami
 

What build is your windows 10, this would help.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 8:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] confusion about add-on updates

 

I am running windows 10 and have NVDA Version: 2022.2.2

I looked in check for add-on updates and it says I have an update for "Windows App Essentials" available.  However, when I try to do the update it comes back after trying to download and install it that I am running an unsupported version of windows.  It says I am running 21H1 and it requires 21H2 or 22H2. 

 

I checked my windows update and it says I am up to date and have no updates available.

 

Why am I seeing a Windows App Essentials update when my version of Windows is incompatible?  Do I need to do something different to update to a compatible version of Windows?

-- 
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confusion about add-on updates

Dan Beaver
 

I am running windows 10 and have NVDA Version: 2022.2.2

I looked in check for add-on updates and it says I have an update for "Windows App Essentials" available.  However, when I try to do the update it comes back after trying to download and install it that I am running an unsupported version of windows.  It says I am running 21H1 and it requires 21H2 or 22H2. 


I checked my windows update and it says I am up to date and have no updates available.


Why am I seeing a Windows App Essentials update when my version of Windows is incompatible?  Do I need to do something different to update to a compatible version of Windows?

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: NVDA's built-in OCR Capabilities

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Brian,

 

Not as far as I know with NVDA, but JAWS allows you to open the resulting file in Word, and it retains formatting as best it can. So it is definitely best out there for built in OCR to a screen reader.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 08 September 2022 16:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's built-in OCR Capabilities

 

Topic retitled for clarity and archival purposes.

But I also have a question:  Do any of the "internal" OCR options result in the file being OCRed having those changes kept permanently?  I can't imagine that the single page "quick and dirty" OCR would do this as it would make no sense to even try because many documents are more than one page, and a partially OCRed file is as bad as one that still needs to be processed.  But I don't know much about the NVDA Advanced OCR (NAO) Add-On other than that it exists and what its primary purpose is.

If the file is to be used over and over and over again, and neither adds a text layer that sticks with the file, there are other options that do just that.  But they're not done by NVDA itself or an add-on.
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It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection.

       ~ Irving Babbitt


Re: Preventing NVDA from speaking headers in Access

tim
 

Try playing around with the settings for tables.

You will find it under NVDA preferences,settings, document formating.


On 9/8/2022 5:41 PM, Ann Byrne wrote:

Access 2016, but it seems to be universal.  How can I prevent Access from speaking row/column numbers when moving from cell to cell.  I am using Access remotely, so everything is slow anyway; but NVDA speaks row/column information every time I move to a new cell, and it speaks it twice.  I have tried disabling table headers, but that doesn't do it.

Any suggestions as to what might work?

Thx,







Locked Re: Windows App Essentials 22.09.1 #addonrelease

tim
 

I can't blame him for asking this, because win 7 is dead and has ben for 3 years.

Things do move on that is call progress.


On 9/8/2022 11:49 PM, William James wrote:

Man, somebody has had their cereal urinated into this morning!  🚽

Pro Max

On Sep 7, 2022, at 3:55 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:



Hi,

Speaking as the author of Windows App Essentials: may I ask that when discussing this add-on that we DO NOT bring up Windows 7 anymore (please)?

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Controlling Your Email Traffic from Groups.io - Plus using the Group Archive #adminnotice

tim
 

I do that same thing only with imap. That way I get no problems from any box running TB they all show the same        


On 9/8/2022 9:27 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Brian, I don't understand why you can't organise messages into folders using IMAP. What's POP3 got to do with it?

All the best

Steve

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Controlling Your Email Traffic from Groups.io - Plus using the Group Archive #adminnotice

I would not call this group high traffic, and after all if you sort to topics you can easily bypass things you are not interested in. This sort of thing is why I like to keep a machine running pop3.
 I have every group in a different folder auto sorted by the header details.
 Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Controlling Your Email Traffic from Groups.io - Plus using the Group Archive #adminnotice


Every time the group hits what appears to be "a heavy volume period" as far as messages go I invariably see several people unsubscribing from the group. 
If that's what you want to do, that's fine, but it's also unnecessary if it's the volume of messages you find problematic. Groups.io, unlike most other email list services, gives you exquisite control over the messages you receive from a group and the format you receive them in. Here's the tutorial, in either MS-Word or PDF format, take your pick, for doing just
that:
Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io ( https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1B941pSg2OCRKGukRg1d5w7nwu8wJLUaK )
(docx)

Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io ( https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1UVwnIVuM1KudnIRqyoDG4Mp3366gRlAF )
(PDF)

Because there are times you may want to find something you know was discussed in the past, I'm including these tutorials as well:
*Searching a Groups.io Topics Page/Archive
* (
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1HczDVJcIHqun9Ne2e4RlYbzHZBDLy6CN ) *Browsing a Groups.io Topics Page/Archive* ( https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1M3O2CIUjsXJFvOl18zUkGDncrMZmo0Sg )
*
* (
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1HczDVJcIHqun9Ne2e4RlYbzHZBDLy6CN )
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for the supreme act of judgment and selection.

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Re: Access to Windows 10 Games: Suggestion for compatibility update or add-on for NVDA

farhan israk
 

Thank you for replying to my question regarding the Microsoft flight simulator. How can I contact Microsoft in this regard?


On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 9:13 PM David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:

Joseph,

You’re absolutely right in that application developers need to receive feedback from the community as their solutions will benefit a larger number of users. As an aside, there are many terms I could use to describe the output and quality of your work. Laziness has never been one of them.

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2022

NVDA Certified Expert

 

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 10:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Access to Windows 10 Games: Suggestion for compatibility update or add-on for NVDA

 

Hi,

If they are read using Narrator, chances are that I might pick up Solitaire Collection again but that's unlikely for several reasons, one of them being school (it's graduate school application season for some of us). I think it would be better to send feedback directly to Microsoft as it is their game after all rather than taking care of it from NVDA as feedback to the game maker can help users of many technologies in the long term (no, I'm not saying this to imply that I'm lazy; it is so that folks need to recognize the harm done when things are not designed with impact on disability in mind; will talk about connection between source code and advocacy when the opportunity presents itself as it can get really philosophical).

Cheers,

Joseph


Locked Re: Windows App Essentials 22.09.1 #addonrelease

P. Otter
 

hello all,
I was installing this app but I get the message that I've a wrong windows version.
I do'nt understand it, becouse I've windows 10 with the last updates and the last version of nvda 2022.2
how can it be?
what can I do?
greetings paul otter


Op 8-9-2022 om 14:46 schreef Joseph Lee:

Hi,

I get that. The cool thing is, Windows App Essentials will not even run on Windows 7 - one of the first things the add-on does when NVDA starts is check if you've got a compatible Windows 10 or 11 release, so on Windows 7, people can safely assume that the add-on will not cause problems unless an app is using the same executable name as that of a Windows 10 or 11 app.

Cheers,

Joseph



Re: NVDA's built-in OCR Capabilities

Aravind R
 

at present, i use tesseract addon or if that failes then, use NOW add
on. if both fails, then i go for mobile based facilities like envision
AI or Seeing AI or android based i-stem app as last resort. mostly
things get solved within these options.

On 09/09/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io
<bglists@...> wrote:
The recent one I downloaded as an addon and apologies for my spelling uses
tesseract ocr. It seems to work quite well, obviously, its dependent on the

quality of the image its looking at. It certainly did not do a bad job on an

old scanned manual for an audio limiter with two pages and I saved it but
its not something I use every day, as I try to train the organisations to
use the source file, but obviously legacy files like old manuals do need to

be of good quality or the end result is in Klingon.


For the printed word, then I tend to use one of the many smart phone apps
and just set that up as a rostrum camera and snap each page, or use a
flatbed scanner and use one of the many engines on the image.
Brian

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From: "Howard Traxler" <htraxler7@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2022 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's built-in OCR Capabilities


Wondering about these OCR options: Do all the offerred programs use the
same OCR engine with just a little diferene in the interface? Can't
imagine that everyone wants to invent his own version of the wheel, as
they say.


Howard

On 9/8/2022 10:33 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Topic retitled for clarity and archival purposes.

But I also have a question: Do any of the "internal" OCR options
result in the file being OCRed having those changes kept permanently?
I can't imagine that the single page "quick and dirty" OCR would do
this as it would make no sense to even try because many documents are
more than one page, and a partially OCRed file is as bad as one that
still needs to be processed. But I don't know much about the NVDA
Advanced OCR (NAO) Add-On other than that it exists and what its
primary purpose is.

If the file is to be used over and over and over again, and neither
adds a text layer that sticks with the file, there are other options
that do just that. But they're not done by NVDA itself or an add-on.
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. . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection.

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Re: NVDA's built-in OCR Capabilities

Brian's Mail list account
 

The recent one I downloaded as an addon and apologies for my spelling uses tesseract ocr. It seems to work quite well, obviously, its dependent on the quality of the image its looking at. It certainly did not do a bad job on an old scanned manual for an audio limiter with two pages and I saved it but its not something I use every day, as I try to train the organisations to use the source file, but obviously legacy files like old manuals do need to be of good quality or the end result is in Klingon.


For the printed word, then I tend to use one of the many smart phone apps and just set that up as a rostrum camera and snap each page, or use a flatbed scanner and use one of the many engines on the image.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Traxler" <htraxler7@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2022 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's built-in OCR Capabilities


Wondering about these OCR options: Do all the offerred programs use the
same OCR engine with just a little diferene in the interface? Can't
imagine that everyone wants to invent his own version of the wheel, as
they say.


Howard

On 9/8/2022 10:33 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Topic retitled for clarity and archival purposes.

But I also have a question: Do any of the "internal" OCR options
result in the file being OCRed having those changes kept permanently?
I can't imagine that the single page "quick and dirty" OCR would do
this as it would make no sense to even try because many documents are
more than one page, and a partially OCRed file is as bad as one that
still needs to be processed. But I don't know much about the NVDA
Advanced OCR (NAO) Add-On other than that it exists and what its
primary purpose is.

If the file is to be used over and over and over again, and neither
adds a text layer that sticks with the file, there are other options
that do just that. But they're not done by NVDA itself or an add-on.
--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it
. . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection.

~ Irving Babbitt





Locked Re: Windows App Essentials 22.09.1 #addonrelease

William James
 

Man, somebody has had their cereal urinated into this morning!  🚽

Pro Max

On Sep 7, 2022, at 3:55 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:



Hi,

Speaking as the author of Windows App Essentials: may I ask that when discussing this add-on that we DO NOT bring up Windows 7 anymore (please)?

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: does anyone know why some add-ons on the Spanish repository are more up to date than the NVDA repository?

 

Well


This is the latest release link for tony's enhancements.

https://github.com/mltony/nvda-tonys-enhancements/releases/download/v1.14/tonysEnhancements-1.14.nvda-addon

I have asked tony I am sure to update the repo but the spanish community way is probably better and its probably a way I'd do it, update every time the releases branch is updated with a new file.

It would be better to do this.


Either that or for the moment, if addon updater detects a version of an addon greater than that on the site its not going to try to even install a lesser file.

I haven't read posts from tony and the last version was 24th april, so maybe someone else can add this in or whatever.

Is it worth me making another request?


More importantly especially with the store, is it worth having spanish and main repos checked by the update and updating everything as needed?


On 9/09/2022 1:53 pm, Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías via groups.io wrote:

Hi all,

The good new is that now, the addons community website allow that another person can send a pull request to the repository Addon Files. Is necessary know the use of GitHub for send the update. More information: Requirements for add-on submissions (nvda-project.org)

The Spanish Catalog, in the case of the addons mentioned, update when a new version is available in the GitHub repository of the author. If you have the last version of Addon Updater, you can go to NVDA menu, preferences, settings, category Addon Updater and change the source for get the updates in a new combo box called Add-on update source to Spanish community add-ons catalog.

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Soporte a usuarios, Comunidad de NVDA en español.

Web: https://nvda.es

Experto certificado en NVDA

 

 

De: Shaun Everiss
Enviado: jueves, 8 de septiembre de 2022 04:32 p. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] does anyone know why some add-ons on the Spanish repository are more up to date than the NVDA repository?

 

We leave it up to the authors to upgrade the addons.

 

I have made a request to tony in the usual way months ago to update his

addon on official but never got a responce.

 

 

And he hasen't released since then so for whatever reason he may not be

doing anymore but yeah, maybe its time to just bump the latest 1.14

release up to the main repo.

 

I have the latest but I don't have the latest on updater so I have it

disabled and manually get it but this is  the only complaint.

 

 

On 9/09/2022 2:20 am, Governor staten wrote:

> The subject says it all. Tony's Enhancements is not up to date on the

> NVDA repository. It has been out for ever now. Why hasn't this been

> fixed up?

> Another add-on, VLC media player is not updated on the NVDA

> repository. Both of these add-ons are properly updated in the Spanish

> repository. Interested in when, or if this will be remedied.

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: does anyone know why some add-ons on the Spanish repository are more up to date than the NVDA repository?

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías
 

Hi all,

The good new is that now, the addons community website allow that another person can send a pull request to the repository Addon Files. Is necessary know the use of GitHub for send the update. More information: Requirements for add-on submissions (nvda-project.org)

The Spanish Catalog, in the case of the addons mentioned, update when a new version is available in the GitHub repository of the author. If you have the last version of Addon Updater, you can go to NVDA menu, preferences, settings, category Addon Updater and change the source for get the updates in a new combo box called Add-on update source to Spanish community add-ons catalog.

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Soporte a usuarios, Comunidad de NVDA en español.

Web: https://nvda.es

Experto certificado en NVDA

 

 

De: Shaun Everiss
Enviado: jueves, 8 de septiembre de 2022 04:32 p. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] does anyone know why some add-ons on the Spanish repository are more up to date than the NVDA repository?

 

We leave it up to the authors to upgrade the addons.

 

I have made a request to tony in the usual way months ago to update his

addon on official but never got a responce.

 

 

And he hasen't released since then so for whatever reason he may not be

doing anymore but yeah, maybe its time to just bump the latest 1.14

release up to the main repo.

 

I have the latest but I don't have the latest on updater so I have it

disabled and manually get it but this is  the only complaint.

 

 

On 9/09/2022 2:20 am, Governor staten wrote:

> The subject says it all. Tony's Enhancements is not up to date on the

> NVDA repository. It has been out for ever now. Why hasn't this been

> fixed up?

> Another add-on, VLC media player is not updated on the NVDA

> repository. Both of these add-ons are properly updated in the Spanish

> repository. Interested in when, or if this will be remedied.

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: please help again with PDF

Angelo Sonnesso
 

Do a web search for "Doxillion Document Converter", it is a program that you download to your computer.
It works well.


Angelo T Sonnesso
President
The First Flight Lions Club

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 11:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] please help again with PDF

I wrote to this list about a week ago, I think, asking how to convert a
scanned PDF and someone wrote me back with a place to go. I went to it
and used it and thought the file had saved but it has not. I also
thought I had written down how to do it but cannot find those
directions. I know it was some place I had to go on the internet. I hope
the person is still on here who sent that to me the other week. This
time I will doubly make sure I have the directions in more than one place.


Thanks for the help of whoever sent it or someone who may have saved it.
I even looked in my trash folder for it but cannot find it.


Sorry to bother you all with it again.


this is a file I need for my Lions Club.


Thanks again.



--
Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876


Re: NVDA's built-in OCR Capabilities

Rui Fontes
 

No, but you have two add-ons to do that:

tesseractOCR and NAO.


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team


Às 13:50 de 08/09/2022, Richard Kuzma via groups.io escreveu:

Does anyone know if nvda has a function like the convenient ocr option in jaws where you can right click – do the applications key on a pdf and arrow down to convenient ocr with jaws and press enter and jaws will try and ocr the file and pull the text out of it?

Thanks,

Rich