Re: please help again with PDF
Chris Mullins
Hi Betsy The NVDA add-on called NAO is very useful with PDF’s, I used it to read the solicitors documents for my daughters divorce, so I know it works well. Below is the Help text taken from the add-on which explains how to use the features. I hope it can b of use to you.
Cheers Chris
Nao - NVDA Advanced OCR • Authors: Alessandro Albano, Davide De Carne, Simone Dal Maso • Download stable version • NVDA compatibility: 2019.3 and beyond Nao (NVDA Advanced OCR) is an addon that improves the standard OCR capabilities that NVDA provides on modern Windows versions. While NVDA standard command uses Windows OCR to recognize the screen, NAO is able to make the OCR on files saved on your hard drive or USB devices. Use NVDA-Shift-R to recognize any sorts of images and pdf! Simply put the focus / cursor on the file you desire, don't open it, but hit NVDA-Shift-r. The document will be recognized and a simple text window will appear, allowing you to read the entire content, save it, find text or copy content to clipboard. Nao is able to handle also multipage pdf, so if you have a not accessible document, don't worry, Windows OCR will be able to make the entire work. System Requirements The addon works on Windows 10 and Windows 11 systems, since they have OCR capabilities builtin. Nao is compatible from NVDA version 2019.3, so don't use older versions of the screen reader. Note that Nao works with Windows Explorer, on desktop, with Total Commander or xplorer² filemanager; don't use other software like 7zip or Winrar, since they are not supported. Features and commands • NVDA + Shift + R: recognize any sorts of images and pdf from file system; • PgUp / PgDown: move the cursor between real pages of a multipages document. • Ctrl + S: save the document in nao-document format. You can open it again with NVDA + Shift + R. • P: report page number related to the cursor position, in a multipage document. • L: report line number at the cursor position, related to the current page. • Shift + L: report line number at the cursor position, related to the whole document. • G: go directly on a certain page. • C: copy all text to the clipboard. • S: save a copy of the document in text format. • F: find text and read some words before and after the string. • NVDA + Shift + Ctrl + R: take a full screen shot and recognize it. • Please note that you can use standard NVDA commands to explore window and bring focus to an element. For example you can move with arrow keys and press enter in a button to activate it. You can also bring the mouse to your position with NVDA-numpad slash and then click with left/right keys. Note that you can customize shortcuts of Nao simply from the input gestures dialog of NVDA. Open NVDA menu, go to preferences, and from that submenu select input gestures dialog. Remember that this feature is not global, but it works only where Nao can make an ocr. So gestures will appear only if you are in the desktop, or in file explorer, Total Commander or Xplorer. You can also abort a long Ocr process simply pressing "Cancel" from the progress bar window; this window also gives you information about the state of the OCR, updating informations every 5 seconds. You can configure how to receive progress bar information with the standard NVDA-u command. You can find a submenu named Nao, under the NVDA - Tools - menu. For the moment it contains only an item that allow you to make a donation, but we will improve that with new features! Support and donations Nao is absolutely free. Anyway, please remember that this addon is made during spare time of developers. We'd appreciate any contribute that you could give us! If you think our work is good and improve your life, a Consider to make a donation. Do you want to report a bug, suggest new features, translate the addon in your language? We have the email for you! Just write to support@... and we will be happy to help you. History 2022.1.2 • nao-document file format save and load capability. • A documents cache can store the recognitions to speedup next time opening. If a file is found in the cache it is not recognized again but the cached version is opened instead (recognitions parameters must match). • Store the last reading position of a document in the cache metadata. • Auto purge for documents cache. • Manual cache clear in tools menu. • A file can be now recognized directly from a windows explorer "compressed folder". • Better invalid files check. • Better Windows Explorer compatibility using different file selection alternatives: first try with Shell.Application in NVDA, then try Shell.Application in PowerShell then fallback to manual browse. • OCR engine keeps the language setting during the whole recognition process even if it is changed during a multi-page recognition. • OCR queue to recognize from multiple sources. • Hotkey PgDown at the last page of a document goes to the end of the document reporting the line number. • Windows temporary folder is used for file converters tools instead the plugin folder (better performance on NVDA portable). • Romanian translation and update of the simplified chinese translation. 2022.1.1 • Support for DjVu file format. • Support for multipage tiff files. • PDF encoding bug fix for operating systems in chinese language. • Manual addon update under the NVDA - Tools - menu. • Compatibility starting from NVDA 2019.3. 2022.1 • Automatic addon update. • Spanish and French translations updated. 2021.2 • OCR of pdf and images are presented in a new text window, with some hotkeys for simple operations. • Support for the Xplorer filemanager. • Nao shortcuts are customizable from the Input Gestures Dialog of NVDA. • Nao works only where possible, so if you are in a not supported window, the hotkey will be ignored by the addon; this solved an important issue where Excel and Word users couldn't press the NVDA-Shift-r keystroke, since it was incorrectly intercepted by Nao. • A long Ocr process can be aborted simply pressing the "Cancel" button on the progress bar window. • Added Turkish, Russian, Spanish, Chinese and French translations. • Users can make donations to the project. • Fixed a bug with some characters on the file name that prevents the Ocr to work properly. 2021.1 • first public version!
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From: Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: 08 September 2022 04:15 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] please help again with PDF
I wrote to this list about a week ago, I think, asking how to convert a scanned PDF and someone wrote me back with a place to go. I went to it and used it and thought the file had saved but it has not. I also thought I had written down how to do it but cannot find those directions. I know it was some place I had to go on the internet. I hope the person is still on here who sent that to me the other week. This time I will doubly make sure I have the directions in more than one place.
Thanks for the help of whoever sent it or someone who may have saved it. I even looked in my trash folder for it but cannot find it.
Sorry to bother you all with it again.
this is a file I need for my Lions Club.
Thanks again.
-- Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876
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Re: NVDA's built-in OCR Capabilities
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But I also have a question: Do any of the "internal" OCR options result in the file being OCRed having those changes kept permanently? I can't imagine that the single page "quick and dirty" OCR would do this as it would make no sense to even try because many documents are more than one page, and a partially OCRed file is as bad as one that still needs to be processed. But I don't know much about the NVDA Advanced OCR (NAO) Add-On other than that it exists and what its primary purpose is. If the file is to be used over and over and over again, and neither adds a text layer that sticks with the file, there are other options that do just that. But they're not done by NVDA itself or an add-on. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection. ~ Irving Babbitt |
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Re: What's with N V D A rapidly stuttering v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v?
Nancy Shackelford
Brian, I think I do have the mouse switched on, but this is just recently, and the mouse has been on almost as long as I have been using N V D A, for several years now. Thanks, Nance On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 9:19 AM Brian's Mail list account via groups.io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote: What happens with Espeak Quincy? --
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Re: NVDA's built-in OCR Capabilities
Steve Nutt
No, without add-ons, NVDA will only scan the current screen.
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JAWS will scan a whole document, whether it's imported from a PDF, or acquired from a scanner directly. Note: NVDA does have add-ons for this, but natively it can only scan the current screen, as far as I know. All the best Steve -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via groups.io Sent: 08 September 2022 15:20 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] question on operation of nvda Maybe I just have short documents then. Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Smart" <ve3rwj@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2022 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] question on operation of nvda NVDA does have a feature called Windows OCR, which you can read all about by going to section 10.1 of the User Guide. It won't process a whole document though. From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Kuzma via groups.io Sent: September 8, 2022 8:50 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] question on operation of nvda Does anyone know if nvda has a function like the convenient ocr option in jaws where you can right click - do the applications key on a pdf and arrow down to convenient ocr with jaws and press enter and jaws will try and ocr the file and pull the text out of it? Thanks, Rich |
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Re: Controlling Your Email Traffic from Groups.io - Plus using the Group Archive
#adminnotice
On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 09:27 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
I don't understand why you can't organise messages into folders using IMAP. What's POP3 got to do with it?- You can, and it doesn't. [And I thank you for pointing that out.] But I'm asking that we not get into email protocol discussions on this group. The earlier offerings, even in their titles, said "from Groups.io." This isn't just about the NVDA group, and lots of members are subscribed to multiple groups, some of which can be far higher-traffic than we are. That being said, I know what I constantly observe when even one topic "goes long." People don't seem to understand the options that Groups.io offers them in terms of minimizing the number of messages they get, and the conditions under which they will get them. The idea of muting a topic seems to be alien to many, even though it's been discussed repeatedly. Groups.io is the only email list/group service I know of that has these features, and they're really handy and good to know about. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection. ~ Irving Babbitt |
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Re: NVDA's built-in OCR Capabilities
No, however there is a nice add on called NAO, you might be able to find it on the community Spanish page. I use it now to scan pdfs and it’s nice. It’s not as fancy as docuscan, however it worked for me when I needed to read a manual someone gave me .
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Kuzma via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2022 5:50 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] question on operation of nvda
Does anyone know if nvda has a function like the convenient ocr option in jaws where you can right click – do the applications key on a pdf and arrow down to convenient ocr with jaws and press enter and jaws will try and ocr the file and pull the text out of it? Thanks, Rich
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Re: please help again with PDF
Betsy Grenevitch
OK, I think I figured it out. It was not from this list as I finally remembered where I got the information. It was from a file I had saved from long ago. Having dementia is very frustrating at times. Thanks for the help I received here, though.
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I do not belong to the chat list so knew it was not there. This list has been such a great help through the years. Thanks again, everyone. On 9/8/2022 10:15 AM, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:
Maybe we need to take this to the chat subgroup, as I can feel an I-phone app coming on. --
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does anyone know why some add-ons on the Spanish repository are more up to date than the NVDA repository?
The subject says it all. Tony's Enhancements is not up to date on the NVDA repository. It has been out for ever now. Why hasn't this been fixed up?
Another add-on, VLC media player is not updated on the NVDA repository. Both of these add-ons are properly updated in the Spanish repository. Interested in when, or if this will be remedied. |
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Re: NVDA's built-in OCR Capabilities
Brian's Mail list account
Maybe I just have short documents then.
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Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <ve3rwj@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2022 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] question on operation of nvda NVDA does have a feature called Windows OCR, which you can read all about by going to section 10.1 of the User Guide. It won't process a whole document though. From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Kuzma via groups.io Sent: September 8, 2022 8:50 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] question on operation of nvda Does anyone know if nvda has a function like the convenient ocr option in jaws where you can right click - do the applications key on a pdf and arrow down to convenient ocr with jaws and press enter and jaws will try and ocr the file and pull the text out of it? Thanks, Rich |
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Re: What's with N V D A rapidly stuttering v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v?
Brian's Mail list account
What happens with Espeak Quincy?
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Do you have the mouse switched on by any chance? Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Nancy Shackelford" <n.k.nancelady@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2022 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] What's with N V D A rapidly stuttering v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v? This is 2nd reply... I am using Code factory Eloquence. |
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Re: What's with N V D A rapidly stuttering v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v?
Brian's Mail list account
Some software when doing copies, clones and other disc intensive activities keeps rewriting the same words over and over, and nvda can interpret this as a content change of course.
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Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2022 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] What's with N V D A rapidly stuttering v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v? Have you tried a different synthesizer in NVDA and another |
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Re: please help again with PDF
Brian's Mail list account
Maybe we need to take this to the chat subgroup, as I can feel an I-phone app coming on.
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Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Kuzma via groups.io" <rmkuzma@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2022 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] please help again with PDF To Betsy, I am not sure what the website is, but if you like you canb sned me the pdf offline to my personal email and I will try and ocr it for you to get you through it for now. My email is rmkuzma@... I have kerzweil and som e other tools I can try if your interested. Rich -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Betsy Grenevitch Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 11:16 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] please help again with PDF I wrote to this list about a week ago, I think, asking how to convert a scanned PDF and someone wrote me back with a place to go. I went to it and used it and thought the file had saved but it has not. I also thought I had written down how to do it but cannot find those directions. I know it was some place I had to go on the internet. I hope the person is still on here who sent that to me the other week. This time I will doubly make sure I have the directions in more than one place. Thanks for the help of whoever sent it or someone who may have saved it. I even looked in my trash folder for it but cannot find it. Sorry to bother you all with it again. this is a file I need for my Lions Club. Thanks again. -- Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876 |
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Re: Controlling Your Email Traffic from Groups.io - Plus using the Group Archive
#adminnotice
Steve Nutt
Brian, I don't understand why you can't organise messages into folders using IMAP. What's POP3 got to do with it?
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All the best Steve -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via groups.io Sent: 08 September 2022 10:20 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Controlling Your Email Traffic from Groups.io - Plus using the Group Archive #adminnotice I would not call this group high traffic, and after all if you sort to topics you can easily bypass things you are not interested in. This sort of thing is why I like to keep a machine running pop3. I have every group in a different folder auto sorted by the header details. Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2022 4:52 PM Subject: [nvda] Controlling Your Email Traffic from Groups.io - Plus using the Group Archive #adminnotice Every time the group hits what appears to be "a heavy volume period" as far as messages go I invariably see several people unsubscribing from the group. If that's what you want to do, that's fine, but it's also unnecessary if it's the volume of messages you find problematic. Groups.io, unlike most other email list services, gives you exquisite control over the messages you receive from a group and the format you receive them in. Here's the tutorial, in either MS-Word or PDF format, take your pick, for doing just that: Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io ( https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1B941pSg2OCRKGukRg1d5w7nwu8wJLUaK ) (docx) Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io ( https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1UVwnIVuM1KudnIRqyoDG4Mp3366gRlAF ) (PDF) Because there are times you may want to find something you know was discussed in the past, I'm including these tutorials as well: *Searching a Groups.io Topics Page/Archive * ( https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1HczDVJcIHqun9Ne2e4RlYbzHZBDLy6CN ) *Browsing a Groups.io Topics Page/Archive* ( https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1M3O2CIUjsXJFvOl18zUkGDncrMZmo0Sg ) * * ( https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1HczDVJcIHqun9Ne2e4RlYbzHZBDLy6CN ) -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection. ~ Irving Babbitt |
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Re: NVDA's built-in OCR Capabilities
NVDA does have a feature called Windows OCR, which you can read all about by going to section 10.1 of the User Guide. It won’t process a whole document though.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Kuzma via groups.io
Sent: September 8, 2022 8:50 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] question on operation of nvda
Does anyone know if nvda has a function like the convenient ocr option in jaws where you can right click – do the applications key on a pdf and arrow down to convenient ocr with jaws and press enter and jaws will try and ocr the file and pull the text out of it? Thanks, Rich
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NVDA's built-in OCR Capabilities
Richard Kuzma
Does anyone know if nvda has a function like the convenient ocr option in jaws where you can right click – do the applications key on a pdf and arrow down to convenient ocr with jaws and press enter and jaws will try and ocr the file and pull the text out of it? Thanks, Rich
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Re: Windows App Essentials 22.09.1
#addonrelease
Hi, I get that. The cool thing is, Windows App Essentials will not even run on Windows 7 - one of the first things the add-on does when NVDA starts is check if you've got a compatible Windows 10 or 11 release, so on Windows 7, people can safely assume that the add-on will not cause problems unless an app is using the same executable name as that of a Windows 10 or 11 app. Cheers, Joseph |
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Re: What's with N V D A rapidly stuttering v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v?
Nancy Shackelford
This is 2nd reply... I am using Code factory Eloquence. Nance On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 5:28 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
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Re: What's with N V D A rapidly stuttering v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v?
Nancy Shackelford
I have not been able to try a different synthesizer; I could probably turn N V D A back on eventually and go to another one and wait for the event to happen again. I quit N V D A and use an earlier version of JAWS I have. I'm doing normal things when it starts, no matter what that might be. Seems, best I remember, that I may've been switching to another window when it happened. Not sure if that was exactly what I was doing the last time it happened. I waited for maybe 24 hours, restarted NVDA, and it worked fine till this morning. I have restarted several times and updated at least once since the event before this one. Thanks, Nance On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 5:28 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
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Re: What's with N V D A rapidly stuttering v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v?
Quentin Christensen
Also, have you restarted the PC since updating? I haven't seen any other reports of this yet. One other thing to try is press NVDA+Q then down arrow to "restart NVDA with add-ons disabled" and enter, and see if it still happens - if not, it's likely an add-on (which ones are you using?) and if it does keep happening, then I'd love to see a log file if you could email it to me off-list (to info@...). Kind regards Quentin. On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 8:28 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
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Re: What's with N V D A rapidly stuttering v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v?
Gene
Have you tried a different synthesizer in NVDA and another
screen-reader? At this point, we don't know if the problem is an
NVDA problem or a problem with the synthesizer you are using and
which one is that?
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As far as volume information is concerned, what are you doing when volume information attempts to be read? Gene On 9/8/2022 5:16 AM, Nancy Shackelford
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