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Re: Skipping the advertisements in web browsers.
And some forms don't have a physical Submit button coded in html on the page.
Just the word "Submit" that's marked up to be clickable. I've seen that on countless forms. Bad practice in my book. Jason Bratcher
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Re: Skipping the advertisements in web browsers.
On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 05:27 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Which makes me ask why web site builders often disguise the next button by claiming its a button when its really a link instead.- The rise of the link-button or button-link has mystified me as well. The only reason I can think of to favor this device is because it is a lot more visually distinct than hyperlinks are, and buttons draw visual attention in a very different way than hyperlinks do. I hate the things because unless I do a hover over with the mouse I can't honestly tell someone whether what they're dealing with is a real button or a hyperlink dressed as a button. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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Re: Skipping the advertisements in web browsers.
On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 07:36 AM, Gene wrote:
I rarely come across a page that doesn't work because an ad blocker is used.- Same here, virtually never. I am not doubting those who say they've encountered them, but they are, overall, the rare exception. These days I do get some sites that ask me to turn off my ad blocker, which I don't do. For that very rare website that has refused entry or otherwise misbehaved badly when an adblocker is in use, I find an alternative. I haven't browsed the web without either an ad blocker add-on/extension or using a browser like Brave or Vivaldi that has ad blocking built-in for many years now. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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Re: NVDA is not reading out buttons in Chrome browser
Nayana Lakhwani
Hi Quentin, I have created an issue in GitHub for the above item. I have added an issue with Actual Behavior, Expected Behavior and System configuration details I am not able to add labels and priority so they are missing. Please update it if required. Thanks Nayana Lakhwani
On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 9:23 AM Nayana Lakhwani <nayanalakhwani@...> wrote:
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Re: Skipping the advertisements in web browsers.
One website that I know won't show content if adverts are disabled, is ITV online catch-up. I like to watch The Chase quiz show online, but it won't play the episodes if the browser has an ad blocker active. ITV are even more strict than this, because if you are watching a show and skip to a different webpage (or web browser) while an ITV advert is playing, the advert will pause until the ITV window has focus again! I've never figured out how the advert knows that it doesn't have focus, nor that it has lost focus to a different website, since the advert will continue to play if you switch to a non-internet window such as notepad!
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Re: Connection of pc to Signal messenger or WhatsApp
Daniel Sommerfeld
Hello there.
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No it's not that. When entering a signal chet, the NVDA is switching to edit mode. I know that. But when that happens, i can only navigate in an empty edit field. *grins* So i am switching to browse mode but then it reads, what i described in my prior mail. Regards Daniel Am 26.06.2022 um 14:16 schrieb Sim Kah Yong:
Hi Daniel
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Re: Connection of pc to Signal messenger or WhatsApp
Sim Kah Yong
Hi Daniel
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Try NVDA + Space to switch to browse mode and see if it helps. Thanks.
On 26/6/2022 7:43 pm, Daniel Sommerfeld wrote:
Hi Brian and all.
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Re: Connection of pc to Signal messenger or WhatsApp
Daniel Sommerfeld
Hi Brian and all.
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I finally managed to connect my signal to my pc. It works just fine. But i still have a problem with using it under NVDA. When i am scrolling through the messages, it still reads buttons and lines when the focus is on a message in a chat window. With the other screenreader, i don't havve that problem. You know, the dhark. :-) Is there a way to turn that off for NVDA so i can read the messages easier? Regards Daniel Am 24.06.2022 um 09:41 schrieb Brian's Mail list account via groups.io:
I seldom have a screen connected to most of my computers, so I feel their attitude is a little restrictive when most other systems seem to be happy using short texts or sending a code to a separate email address.
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Re: Getting to the bottom of a form. was Re: [nvda] Skipping the advertisements in web brouzers.
Gene
That is true of some forms but a lot of sites have forms like a log
in form. My question is why forms are being asked about. I seldom
stop at such forms because ways of moving such as move by heading
from the top of a page to the beginning of an article, using the
letter h, or skipping blocks of links, using the letter n, moves me
beyond such forms on web pages. So how are you V.S. moving to get
from the tops of pages to where you want to be?
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Gene On 6/26/2022 4:26 AM, Brian's Mail list
account via groups.io wrote:
My problem these days is that many forms only have one question per page and will not let you hit next till you have filled in the required replies.
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Re: Skipping the advertisements in web browsers.
Gene
That is not my experience and I haven't seen anyone else make such
statementss. I rarely come across a page that doesn't work because
an ad blocker is used.
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Gene On 6/26/2022 4:21 AM, Brian's Mail list
account via groups.io wrote:
However, be aware that this is a bit like a war. The sites rely on advertising to pay for them being free to the public. When you block adverts, often this can be seen by the site who might decide to deny access until you allow adverts again. Its all part of the commercial reality of life, sadly.
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Re: Skipping the advertisements in web browsers.
Nimer Jaber
One way that sometimes works to skip past ads is to press the key to skip past containers, as iframes are examples of containers. On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 2:28 AM Brian's Mail list account via groups.io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Which makes me ask why web site builders often disguise the next button by --
Best, Nimer Jaber Check out and subscribe to BlindTechAdventures in podcast audio form on YouTube for the latest happenings in tech. Thank you, and have a great day!
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Re: [Solved] Pacmate 40 display problem
Andre Vosloo
Hi there
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It worked for part of Friday then stopped. Re-installed the driver as per manual says unable to load the display. I am wondering if a windows update possibly broke it. The display is coming on, however nvda is not recognising it. regards
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via groups.io Sent: Sunday, 26 June 2022 11:17 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] pacmate 40 display problem Did it work? At what point did it stop. Did you update something, did the display its firmware. How is it connected? Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Vosloo via groups.io" <andrevosloo@...> To: <nvda@groups.io> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2022 8:07 AM Subject: [nvda] pacmate 40 display problem Hi all My display stopped working. It does show pm40 on the display. I have the focus driver installed,, however nvda will not load the display. Restarted several times. Please assist. regards
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Re: Skipping the advertisements in web browsers.
Brian's Mail list account
Which makes me ask why web site builders often disguise the next button by claiming its a button when its really a link instead.
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Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Skipping the advertisements in web brouzers. While in browse mode, you could try using the letter b to move by
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Getting to the bottom of a form. was Re: [nvda] Skipping the advertisements in web brouzers.
Brian's Mail list account
My problem these days is that many forms only have one question per page and will not let you hit next till you have filled in the required replies.
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I guess you could to the bottom of the page and then do a shift f and see what the last field on it is. Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "David Goldfield" <david.goldfield@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Skipping the advertisements in web brouzers. I'm not aware of a reliable method to move to the end of a form on a Web page. The Window-Eyes screen reader had this capability and I can see why it would be useful but I don't believe there's a way to do it with NVDA. If the capability exists in a third party addon I'm not aware of it but I certainly haven't looked through all features in all existing addons.. David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist [JAWS Certified, 2022]<https://www.freedomscientific.com/Training/Certification> NVDA Certified Expert<https://certification.nvaccess.org/> Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field. Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io<mailto:tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io> www.DavidGoldfield.org<http://www.DavidGoldfield.org> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ravindran V.S. Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 3:37 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Skipping the advertisements in web brouzers. Thank you David. Let me try your suggestion. Thank you very much for your help. Ravi. From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of David Goldfield Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 11:54 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: Re: [nvda] Skipping the advertisements in web brouzers. Ravi, Regarding ads you can do more than skip them. Why not block them with an ad blocker such as UBlock Origin.<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fublockorigin.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C34c0706649e847ae6fe408da5746b956%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637918258522617479%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=GPB073IeKkGc%2BsMDowFIwic%2BUDg6gsXnNcn3sjLZvcM%3D&reserved=0> Because ad blockers are not relevant to NVDA itself it would be better to talk about this type of software on the chat subgroup. David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist [JAWS Certified, 2022]<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.freedomscientific.com%2FTraining%2FCertification&data=05%7C01%7C%7C34c0706649e847ae6fe408da5746b956%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637918258522617479%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=xhs7A7ZMWTAOSngaib%2FjizZAr%2BKqIh7kdPrb2OvdR9Y%3D&reserved=0> NVDA Certified Expert<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcertification.nvaccess.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C34c0706649e847ae6fe408da5746b956%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637918258522617479%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bZJHdeRSMTHPnxpyBJpAZvf4jIqVUxHUIwRz5TfZYsk%3D&reserved=0> Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field. Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io<mailto:tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io> www.DavidGoldfield.org<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.davidgoldfield.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C34c0706649e847ae6fe408da5746b956%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637918258522617479%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=zjAg3hod%2BSv39mYVSndDYQ4O%2Fv4XIiTMErI2ESbh8VU%3D&reserved=0> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Ravindran V.S. Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 2:06 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: [nvda] Skipping the advertisements in web brouzers. Hi, Is there a simple way to skip the advertisements in a webpage? Instead of pressing the down arrow key several times till the end of the advertisement, any simple way to reach the next required text or data? Also, a same way to skip the form fields in a page? Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Ravi.
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Re: Skipping the advertisements in web browsers.
Brian's Mail list account
However, be aware that this is a bit like a war. The sites rely on advertising to pay for them being free to the public. When you block adverts, often this can be seen by the site who might decide to deny access until you allow adverts again. Its all part of the commercial reality of life, sadly.
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What to my mind is needed here is some kind of add on that displays adverts separately from the pages, rather like a split screen system, so the badly formed inaccessible ads we often encounter do not make the actual site almost impossible to navigate for us, but still allows us to see or hear the adverts if we want them. Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Skipping the advertisements in web brouzers. One way to remove advertising is to use an ad blocker. uBlock Origin is
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Re: [Solved] Pacmate 40 display problem
Brian's Mail list account
Did it work? At what point did it stop. Did you update something, did the display its firmware. How is it connected?
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Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Andre Vosloo via groups.io" <andrevosloo@...> To: <nvda@groups.io> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2022 8:07 AM Subject: [nvda] pacmate 40 display problem Hi all My display stopped working. It does show pm40 on the display. I have the focus driver installed,, however nvda will not load the display. Restarted several times. Please assist. regards
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Re: Skipping the advertisements in web browsers.
Ravindran V.S.
Thank you Jene. Let me try this way. Have not noticed that they end with a button. Will focus on that too. Regards, Ravi.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 1:24 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Skipping the advertisements in web brouzers.
While in browse mode, you could try using the letter b to move by button. Most forms have a submit button at the end and most fields in forms aren't buttons. I haven't tried this, but that may be the fastest way to get to the end of forms in general. On 6/26/2022 2:40 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
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Re: Skipping the advertisements in web browsers.
David Goldfield
Gene, I think you’re right in that searching for buttons may be the fastest way to move to the end of a form. It’s not 100% guaranteed that it will work in all cases since some forms might have more than one button but I think it’s the best that we can do for now.
David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
While in browse mode, you could try using the letter b to move by button. Most forms have a submit button at the end and most fields in forms aren't buttons. I haven't tried this, but that may be the fastest
way to get to the end of forms in general.
On 6/26/2022 2:40 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
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Re: Skipping the advertisements in web browsers.
Ravindran V.S.
Thanks David. Because some times when form fields are repeated, even the advertisements repeats in a page, it is annoying to keep moving till we find the next text. As you both suggested I have added the UBlocker now. Thank you, Ravi.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 1:11 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Skipping the advertisements in web brouzers.
I’m not aware of a reliable method to move to the end of a form on a Web page. The Window-Eyes screen reader had this capability and I can see why it would be useful but I don’t believe there’s a way to do it with NVDA. If the capability exists in a third party addon I’m not aware of it but I certainly haven’t looked through all features in all existing addons..
David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ravindran V.S.
Thank you David. Let me try your suggestion. Thank you very much for your help. Ravi.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Ravi, Regarding ads you can do more than skip them. Why not block them with an ad blocker such as Because ad blockers are not relevant to NVDA itself it would be better to talk about this type of software on the chat subgroup.
David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ravindran V.S.
Hi, Is there a simple way to skip the advertisements in a webpage? Instead of pressing the down arrow key several times till the end of the advertisement, any simple way to reach the next required text or data? Also, a same way to skip the form fields in a page? Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Ravi.
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Re: Skipping the advertisements in web browsers.
Gene
While in browse mode, you could try using the letter b to move by
button. Most forms have a submit button at the end and most fields
in forms aren't buttons. I haven't tried this, but that may be the
fastest way to get to the end of forms in general.
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Gene On 6/26/2022 2:40 AM, David Goldfield
wrote:
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