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Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

Arlene
 

Yes, I’ve seen this with Chrome.  When it updates you have to restart Chrome.

 

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From: Gene
Sent: May 13, 2021 3:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

Also, after Chrome updates, you have to restart the browser to have the update take effect.  You will be told that and a button is provided in the about information.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Gene

Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 5:49 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

There is a new update to Edge, evidently released very recently.  Mine is updating now.  This update may solve the problem being discussed.  I’m going to test it after the update finishes.

 

As far as finding the about information, do the following:

Open the menu with alt f.  Hold alt when typing f. 

Up arrow to help and support and press enter.

Up arrow to about Chrome and press enter.

You can look at the page as you would a web page.  Start arrowing down and you will soon get to version information.  If Chrome is up-to-date, you will find that stated in that area.

 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Arlene

Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 5:40 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

Hi, Where do you find about Edge?

 

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From: Gene
Sent: May 13, 2021 3:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

Chrome and all Chrome-based browsers do but you should check that it is up-to-date before testing.  While updates should be automatic, that doesn’t guarantee something didn’t go wrong. 

 

I can tell you how to check if you wish, but I’d have to check.  There are differences between Chrome-based browsers.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Arlene

Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 5:17 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

Oh, okay. So, if I open Edge. He will just sit there and update himself? I’ll do that right now.

 

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From: Gene
Sent: May 13, 2021 3:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

Edge automatically updates itself but if you haven’t used it in some time, you should open it and let it sit for a few minutes.  Then use the about dialog to see if it is running the current version.  Since the complained of problem occurred after an update, your results wouldn’t match the test criteria unless the program is known to be current.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Arlene

Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 5:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

I have Jaws and will use it. I haven’t updated edge. It’s there but I haven’t used it in ages.

 

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From: Chris Shook
Sent: May 13, 2021 2:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

Just out of curiosity, can someone use JAWS with Edge Chromium and see

what happens?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Chris

It’s a key that used to be found to the left of the right control key on a standard qwerty keyboard but on laptops it could be a key combination dependent on manufacturer.  It is used to provide a context menu and is used to provide context related options in controls such as list entries, spreadsheet cells and other controls which could have associated options.  On more recent machines, it may not be included on the keyboard at all, in which case I believe shift+f10 does the same job.  The word applications is spoken by NVDA keyboard help (NVDA+NumRow 1), so you should be able to find it on your keyboard if it’s there.

Cheers

Chris   

 

 

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From: Chris Shook
Sent: 14 May 2021 22:29
To: lpfau@...
Cc: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

May be a stupid question, but what is the applications key?

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 05:37 PM, Arlene wrote:
For me, the applications key is shift f ten.
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For me as well.  It's also very commonly referred to as "the menu key" or "the context menu key" outside of formal documentation.

If it's physically present on a keyboard it's always somewhere to the right of the space bar, but where depends on the make/model of computer/keyboard.  If it's not present, SHIFT+F10 is what is used in its place.
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Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

Arlene
 

For me, the applications key is shift f ten. Some keyboards have an applications key. If you don’t have one. You just hold down the shift key and hit f ten.  I always do that no matter what kind of Key board I have.  I think with the lap top keyboard it’s the same.Depending on wat you are doing. The applications key will allow you to find things like uninstalling something in your control panel or in open drive if you are in the upload area. What the applications key does is if you want to get to links. You hit the applications key and arrow to link. Hit enter and you can streme the link or download it from open drive but you copy the link.Then you post it to e-mail.   

 

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From: Chris Shook
Sent: May 14, 2021 2:29 PM
To: lpfau@...
Cc: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

May be a stupid question, but what is the applications key?

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 04:48 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:
that should've been left alone when the recent updates were installed.
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Never gonna happen.  And I have been every bit as frustrated by certain changes as those here are about this one.

There is no constant but change, and nowhere is change more constant than in the world of computing.  You either go with the flow or get drowned.  There is no choice about it.

And that's why accessibility has those two steps forward, one step back episodes.  Sometimes it's the fault of the screen reader makers, who were notified of changes well in advance of their releases but they didn't make the necessary changes in time to have everything work.  Sometimes it's the fault of the other software maker (Microsoft in this case, but not always) where they drop a change that no one in the developer communities was ever informed was coming.  That's never going to change, either, which is why prompt submission of bug reports/feedback/calling support lines when these occur is critical.  No one can fix anything when they don't know it's happening.

And all of the above is true independent of one's visual status and also applies beyond strictly accessibility issues, too.  The way issues not caught by telemetry are identified is via direct complaints from end users, and the number and swiftness of those complaints does play in to priority setting as far as waiting fixes.
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Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

Chris Shook
 

May be a stupid question, but what is the applications key?


Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

Chris Shook
 

WHen I use NVDA with EDge and I click on favorites, it says dialogue pain, but doesn't say anything else.
If I restart NVDA, then I can see the favorites menu sometimes.
If I hit control J to activate the downloads folder, nothing happens. Same if I try and open the history folder.
Narrator will let me read these menus, but I still can't navigate them.
I've tried installing Edge again and running a repair, but nothing works.


Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

Louise Pfau
 

Hi. I'm also having the issue with the downloads that has been discussed. I can't seem to activate the "Save" split button with the usual ENTER, SPACE, or ARROWS, but I discovered by accident that the APPLICATIONS key opens the associated choices. I've been in contact with Microsoft about it, although I agree that it's something to do with Windows rather than NVDA or any other screen reader that should've been left alone when the recent updates were installed.

Louise


Phonics and NVDA

Jane Sharp
 

Hi

I wondered if anyone has found a way to allow very young learners to use NVDA while they are developing literacy through the use of phonics.

I have a learner who is learning letter sounds and starting to build words. So for example, for pet, puh eh tuh. We’d like her to be able to type this and get those sounds from character echo rather than the letter names, p e t, and then when she presses space to get the word pet pronounced correctly. 

I can change the pronunciation of the letters in the Dictionary but this messes up word echo. Does anyone have any better suggestions?

Thanks

Jane


Re: nvda installation

Chris
 

Im guessing that he’s using a portable version rather than a installed copy

 

 

From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: 14 May 2021 19:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda installation

 

A friend is installing NVDA on a new windows 10 pc. When he opens the general options in the NVDA settings everything between logging level and check for updates is grayed out. what causes this?

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Re: NVDA and APA Style

Louise Pfau
 

I always did the in-line citations while writing the paper, and the reference page at the end.  I was taught to do the formatting correctly, so I had to check character by character.
 
Louise


Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 02:30 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
I tested it with Narrator and was able to see the menus.
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Now I'm confused.  What is it that you are experiencing NVDA "not seeing"?  

It sounds like you've figured out how Downloads is now working subsequent to the most recent changes.  And I agree with you that this is one of those instances where it really feels like change for change's sake.  What's been done makes more steps needed to accomplish the same task and violates the almost sacrosanct UI design principle of simplify, simplify, simplify.
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Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

Gene
 

What menus can’t you see?  As far as I know, I can see everything. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium
 
Hi Kenny,
THanks for testing that. I tested it with Narrator and was able to see
the menus.
It looks like it's just changes that NVDA is having an issue with.





nvda installation

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

A friend is installing NVDA on a new windows 10 pc. When he opens the general options in the NVDA settings everything between logging level and check for updates is grayed out. what causes this?
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Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

Chris Shook
 

Hi Brian,
Thanks for checking. I wish they would've left it alone. Before these last few updates, it worked fine.


Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

Chris Shook
 

Hi Kenny,
THanks for testing that. I tested it with Narrator and was able to see the menus.
It looks like it's just changes that NVDA is having an issue with.


Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

 

A report on my findings with NVDA 2020.4 and MS-Edge Version 90.0.818.56 (Official build) (64-bit)

If I activate the link I supplied, or trigger any download link this is what happens:

1. NVDA announces the name of the file to be downloaded, very quickly followed by 
2. "File requires attention, press CTRL+J to go to downloads."  You have to do this in order to continue through the download process.
3. After having hit CTRL+J, NVDA announces, "Recent download list clickable with one items open button save as split button more options."  As an aside to the developers, it would be nice if punctuation were introduced into that announcement such that "open button" and "save as split button" were read as the two options, rather than as a stream of words.  A period after the word Items, and a comma after each word "button" would probably cause this to occur.
4. Focus is on the open button, but since I want to save, I tab to the Save As split button.  If you just activate it, you get a standard Save As dialog.  If you go to the split part of the split button and activate that, you get the option to Save, which I imagine would just dump the file straight into your designated downloads folder.  I activated Save As because I always want to choose the save location for any file I'm downloading, even if the place I save it is the Downloads folder.

I haven't seen anything in Edge settings that I was able to tweak to get the previous behavior of a direct appearance of the Save As dialog upon activation of the link to occur.  That doesn't mean there may not be some magic combination of settings, but I have not as yet been able to determine what those are.

By the way, when you hit that CTRL+J you are not opening the conventional Downloads manager, but are throwing focus to the "mini manager dialog" that I had previously described as appearing just beneath the control bar on the browser.
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locked Re: ot studio recorder off list please

 

This topic is now locked.  And topics like it will be promptly deleted in the future.

We have the NVDA Chat Subgroup for this sort of request, and it is the only place it should have been placed (in our sphere, anyway).

It's long past time that when someone recognizes that something is off-topic before they even send the message that they DON'T SEND IT TO BEGIN WITH.
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Re: NVDA and Edge Chromium

Kenny Peyattt jr. <p.wildcat1234@...>
 

Hi chriss,
I use jaws with edge chromium and I don't have the problem that you are
having.
Kind regards,
Kenny Peyatt jr.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 5:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge Chromium

Just out of curiosity, can someone use JAWS with Edge Chromium and see what
happens?


Spotify issues and NVDA

Marco Oros
 

Hello.

I have a problem with Spotify using NVDA. I don't know, if You have both problem sometimes with new interface in Spotify for Windows.

After moving to playlist tab, there is nothing read in main section with NVDA, only blank section (landmark). I don't know, if anybody uses Spotify. I have discussed this issue with Spotify developers, but We can't solve It.

Maybe this is just only My problem, maybe not. If somebody have Spotify please, answer to this message, because We'll move further to solve this problem.

Thank You.

Best regards

Marco Oros

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