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Re: Need help with Windows 10 OCR

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Simone,

What isn't working for you?

I just used it in Windows 10 Version 1709, build 16299.15 and it worked fine for me.  I'm using English, I haven't changed languages like the original user wanted to do.

(The later fast insider update 17017.1000 has downloaded, I just haven't restarted yet.  I'd forgotten actually, might do that now).

Regards

Quentin.


On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 8:47 PM, Simone Dal Maso <simone.dalmaso@...> wrote:
I'm quite sure that this functionality is broken.
I created a ticket 2 days ago, unfortunately the OCR that worked for me stopped with latest windows update.

Il 16/10/2017 08:36, Quentin Christensen ha scritto:
Once you add a language in Windows 10, sometimes you need to add extra packs as part of that language.  You may also need to restart, just to be sure.

Finally, not all languages are supported.  There are about 25 to start with I think I read, although finding a list of exactly which 25 seems to be a challenge.

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Dang Manh Cuong <dangmanhcuong@... <mailto:dangmanhcuong@...m>> wrote:

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    Using NVDA 2017.3, and want to use Windows 10 OCR to recognize
    Vietnamese content. I Folowed the user guide, and installed this
    language, but it didn't list in th combobox in NVDA, so please help
    me to add this language to thee list, or check if Windows 10 OCR has
    supported this or not.
    Any help would be appreciated.
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Re: Issues with Windows 10 upgrades

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Allie,


Well as I have said to lots of folks lots of times over the years, if it
ain't broke don't fix it. There's nothing wrong with hanging on to it
until it gives up the ghost. Just make sure that if it does you already
have something in it's place; and if you need any help with anything,
don't hesitate to look me up.   .


Tony

On 10/16/2017 2:51 AM, Mallard wrote:
Hello Tony,


We tried again with all we could try. Nothing doing. At this point
I've decided to give up, because the machine works very well as it is,
so I'll let it go its own way as long as it goes. I'll think about it
when time comes.


Thanks so much for all your help.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 12/10/2017 03:28, Tony Ballou ha scritto:
Hi Allie,


Sorry I'm getting to this so late.  If possible, I'd like to help, can
you contact me off list. I've had similar problems with windows 10
updates and just got them straightened out by updating the video card in
my desktop.


Tony


On 10/5/2017 9:23 AM, Mallard wrote:
Hello all,

My machine (a desktop from HP, which was bought refurbished, and has
12GB of ram at the moment) doesn't seem to want to upgrade to Creator.
It has been attempiting to do the updates, but every time it says
there's an error, and can't complete the procedure.

It gives me the following error:

Error: 0x8007001f

I searched for the code on teh web, and so did my husband, but we
didn't come up with anything viable.

Has anyone, by any chance, experienced somehting like this, and how
did you solve it, if you did at all?

Thanks, ciao,
Ollie






Re: Issues with Windows 10 upgrades

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


This may be the case with my laptop. Been trying to get the fall creators update on it since Friday with no luck despite running the windows update troubleshooter twice.  Worked just fine on the desktop once I upgraded the video card. Quentin, thinks for the tip, will give this a look. 


Tony

On 10/16/2017 8:08 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
That I believe was on Friday. It took me 6 tries to get that thing, same with my buddy who is also an insider. We got it though after about 8 hours of trying.

On Oct 16, 2017, at 12:26 AM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

I've had one or two builds with various problems.  One trick I've found that has sometimes worked to fix an update not working is to empty the "softwaredistribution" folder.  As per: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_vista-update/how-to-delete-downloaded-but-not-installed-windows/96e73135-bc4d-408c-9b5e-b9d299275178?auth=1

Basically go to the following folder:
%windir%\softwaredistribution\download
and delete everything in it.

If you are running Windows insiders, there has been a new build since then, so if there were problems with that one (I did see Windows insiders tweet they were getting reports of problems downloading recently, but can't remember exactly which build that was for) then the more recent build might have fixed it.  In any case, it will download it again and hopefully get everything it needs.

Kind regards

Quentin

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
Well I have 2 units and I will try tomorrow and see what they do





On 16/10/2017 7:51 p.m., Mallard wrote:
Hello Tony,


We tried again with all we could try. Nothing doing. At this point I've decided to give up, because the machine works very well as it is, so I'll let it go its own way as long as it goes. I'll think about it when time comes.


Thanks so much for all your help.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 12/10/2017 03:28, Tony Ballou ha scritto:
Hi Allie,


Sorry I'm getting to this so late.  If possible, I'd like to help, can
you contact me off list. I've had similar problems with windows 10
updates and just got them straightened out by updating the video card in
my desktop.


Tony


On 10/5/2017 9:23 AM, Mallard wrote:
Hello all,

My machine (a desktop from HP, which was bought refurbished, and has
12GB of ram at the moment) doesn't seem to want to upgrade to Creator.
It has been attempiting to do the updates, but every time it says
there's an error, and can't complete the procedure.

It gives me the following error:

Error: 0x8007001f

I searched for the code on teh web, and so did my husband, but we
didn't come up with anything viable.

Has anyone, by any chance, experienced somehting like this, and how
did you solve it, if you did at all?

Thanks, ciao,
Ollie


















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Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Gene
 

That isn't an error if you consistently get it with certain sites.  I said that many sites block IE8.  Getting that message is because the site has been blocked, assuming you get it consistently when trying to use the site. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

thanks again gene.
i promised many times to use firefox 52 forever and wish that can
fulfill my promise by the grace of God.

but i say always my views with honesty completely.
many days ago, i downloaded and installed firefox version 3.6 and
could do all of my works with it!
reading emails, going to many websites was without any problem.
i even could search in the google with javascript desabled.
but i enabled it for testing search in the google and any characters
which i typed cause firefox to crash.

my favorite version firefox 52 did not work for me in many days, i
found cause of problem and solved it.
but in the days that i could not use firefox, i tried internet
explorer 8 and was slow using nvda, specially using navigation quick
keys, and also sometimes when i wanted to navigate word by word.
its even slow for openning websites and many times it gives me the
error that internet explorer can not display the webpage!

On 10/16/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> That may be true but it is far too general a statement.  You can be using an
> old version of Firefox with Windows 7 and supported features will work well.
>  For example, Firefox has supported HTML5 audio for a good while and even if
> you use an old version of Firefox, if that feature is supported, it will
> work well.  But in XP, at least on the two machines I tested with, even when
> XP was current, while version updates were still offered, HTML5 didn't work
> properly.  This may be a problem in XP since it didn't work properly in
> Chrome either.
>
> But not using a current version of an operating system may still allow
> supported features to work well and usually they do.  From a shorter term
> perspective, the problem is generally the loss of security from things like
> malware.  Loss of access to new features will occur over time but that is a
> slow process.  The Internet doesn't adopt and discard new protocols and
> features over night.  It may be months or years before an old standard or
> feature is unsupported even as the new one is introduced.  The longer you
> use old programs and versions of Windows, the more you will gradually lose
> access, but it is gradual, as I said.
>
> And the gradual loss will affect some people more than others.  I use Drop
> Box enough that XP no longer working with it is important.  I use my Windows
> 7 machine for Drop Box.  Someone who never uploads files to Drop Box and
> only downloads files from links in e-mail messages, won't have any problem
> when using XP.  You can use a browser to download from Drop Box with XP.
> But you can't use the Drop Box program to manage your files or work with
> shared files.  So different people will be affected to a very different
> extent by this loss.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Hareth
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 7:54 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>
>
> Hi, Jene,
> Thanks for the reply,
> You've said
> Quote
> But the general statement about quickly losing access is
>> incorrect.  End of quote
> If its pointed to my previous reply, I didn't say that.
> I've said  out dated dead internet related software wont work properly.
> And with that I meant even if it worked, it wont be without problems.
>
> On 10/16/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>> I'm not specifically supporting anyone in terms of taking sides.  I'm
>> pointing out conduct I think harms civility and good feeling on the list,
>> no
>> matter who might do it and no matter whom it might be directed to.  Of
>> course, I'm discussing the specific instance because that is the specific
>> conduct.
>>
>> Regarding other matters, Zara didn't generalize.  She said that Firefox
>> isn't working well reliably, but didn't say that that is a general
>> problem
>> for users.  The message about how well Firefox works may be contradicted
>> by
>> the message about it having problems but these aren't general statements
>> about how the program works.  So, while contradictory information about
>> her
>> specific case may have been given, it isn't generalized in the message.
>>
>> Also, you won't quickly lose access to the Internet by using XP or
>> programs
>> that aren't upgraded.  Over time, you will be able to use increasingly
>> fewer
>> sites and new unsupported features won't work.  Firefox has stopped
>> providing new versions for XP.  It offers security upgrades for its last
>> XP
>> version but that will stop soon.  That means that the latest version XP
>> users can use is 52.x.  That browser will become increasingly vulnerable
>> to
>> security flaws but it will work in general for years, gradually becoming
>> less useful.  The same with Chrome.  The really old browser in the
>> discussion is IE8.  It's so old it is already becoming very limited in
>> what
>> can be done.  But the general statement about quickly losing access is
>> incorrect.
>>
>> As a general comment, I often see people use a very bad strategy to get
>> help.  They ask how to do something and don't explain the problem.  They
>> just ask how to do something, which they guess or think is their solution
>> to
>> the problem.  It often isn't, or there are better solutions.  But because
>> the person only asks how to do something, no one on list can address the
>> actual problem.  So the person only gets answers about how to do what
>> they
>> ask about, as in this case.  In this case, it was asked why Internet
>> Explorer is so slow.  That gave us no information about the problem.  I
>> often see this being done and it often results in a lot of discussion
>> about
>> how to do what is asked and doesn't deal with the actual problem.  At
>> some
>> point, the person who asked the question often gives more information,
>> perhaps because the solution the person is trying doesn't work and then,
>> the
>> actual problem is discussed.
>>
>> I'm not blaming anyone nor criticizing anyone.  I'm saying that on this
>> and
>> other lists, when asking for help with a problem related to a computer,
>> it
>> is important to give the details of the actual problem unless you are
>> absolutely sure you know the solution and alot of the time, questions
>> about
>> how to do what someone things is the solution either don't solve the
>> problem
>> or better solutions are available.
>>
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> Gene----- Original Message -----
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Hareth
>> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 6:43 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>>
>>
>> Excuse me, but you've said yesterday that even firefox 1st version is
>> working fine, before Jene's reply talking about  that you are a
>> firefox user, and now you're saying the one installed on your PC has
>> stopped on you?
>> Please put some common sense into your posts, after all this is a
>> reliable information source for many people. and honestly  your are
>> started generating some  of unnecessary misinforming posts like the
>> last 2.
>> This is not a political debate to support your opinion or not. unless
>> you upgrade your software, nothing On your PC related to the internet
>> would work properly simply because its getting a lot of code changes
>> in short periods, plus the crucially important security updates.And
>> you need to know as a fact! That no opinion support words would
>> resolve  any of your out of date dead software problems.
>> 10/16/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
>>> hi gene.
>>> i sincerely appreciate you, admire you and pray for you sincerely
>>> always and thanks extremely for your support for me!
>>> yes, i always use firefox, but many days firefox became unusable for
>>> me and tried internet explorer which was very slow with nvda and i
>>> asked its reason!
>>> God bless you and God bless all!
>>>
>>> On 10/15/17, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
>>>> That's what he does. He does convert records to mp3s for his friends
>>>> and
>>>> himself.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>> Rosemarie Chavarria
>>>> Sent: October-15-17 12:23 PM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>>>>
>>>> I can understand using XP to record records as mp3 files or other
>>>> things
>>>> that don't involve having to go online.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>> Arlene
>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 11:44 AM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>>>>
>>>> Oh yeah, if you have outdated os systems. You will get viruses and
>>>> expose
>>>> your lists with them.  I have a friend who uses xp but he doesn't put
>>>> it
>>>> online.  He uses it to put his records to mp3. Or other audio stuff
>>>> that
>>>> xp
>>>> does.  He said it's all outdated but it works for what he does.  He
>>>> wont
>>>> put
>>>> it online for that reason!  He has a windows ten computer.  He too
>>>> calls
>>>> that xp machine old and outdated!
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>> Rosemarie Chavarria
>>>> Sent: October-15-17 9:53 AM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I'm not the least bit offended by this message because it's the truth.
>>>> Sometimes you have to be harsh with people to shake them up. I'm glad
>>>> you
>>>> got on Zhara's case about using old outdated programs. That's
>>>> unacceptable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>> Hareth
>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 3:06 AM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>>>>
>>>> Zahra,
>>>> You are free to choose and use any software you want.
>>>> But despite any opinion that sugarcoat the truth, you'd be coming back
>>>> with
>>>> more and more of  similar and worse problems and they will stack up on
>>>> your
>>>> PC.
>>>> out of date non supported browsers that don't open most of the modern
>>>> websites, out of date OS, and out of date screenreader soon more of
>>>> them
>>>> would fall behind.
>>>>
>>>> yet you know what is the source of most of your problems, and how to
>>>> fix
>>>> them as they should be fixed, just update. because developers update
>>>> there
>>>> code to fix bugs and make there SW compatible with the current other
>>>> software.
>>>> and you still post them out of date software related issues, just to
>>>> generate more debate about how do you wish that, every dead software
>>>> "to
>>>> be
>>>> supported forever"
>>>> Its not going to happen!. not now, not forever. please, a lot of us are
>>>> really tired of pressing the delete key so many times for the same
>>>> reason
>>>> from the same person.
>>>> I'm sorry if it sound harsh but some time life and the truth does sound
>>>> harsh.
>>>> My apologies if I fended anyone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/15/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
>>>>> hi.
>>>>> i have internet explorer 8 which is the last version that works on xp.
>>>>> but unfortunately the performance of nvda is very slow and i cant open
>>>>> many websites with it.
>>>>> whats the reason?
>>>>> do you have this problem using newer versions of internet explorer?
>>>>> God bless you all!
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/15/17, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
>>>>>> I didn’t think so. That's too bad that some people don’t want to hear
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>> they seem to be happier with their old clunkers!  I know in reality
>>>>>> you can't update these things because of the changing code. It would
>>>>>> be like taking a 1950s mustang on the road and it can't keep up to
>>>>>> speed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Rosemarie Chavarria
>>>>>> Sent: October-14-17 9:04 PM
>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, Arleen,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think older stuff can be updated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rosemarie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Arlene
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 10:38 AM
>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think what this person's saying she he wishes that he she wants to
>>>>>> have things kept up using older versions of programs. Even IE 8.
>>>>>> That's how high xp goes. I know, some people don’t want to update
>>>>>> their stuff. for whatever reason they want to stay where they are.  I
>>>>>> really don’t know if you can update older programs with older
>>>>>> computers.  The IE codes constantly changes. Same with firefox.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Hareth
>>>>>> Sent: October-14-17 3:26 AM
>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Witch version  of explorer? Its working normal with IE11.
>>>>>> On 10/14/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
>>>>>>> i wish that i were programmer and participate in improvement of nvda
>>>>>>> and even compatibility with very old operating systems or softwares.
>>>>>>> i remembered one question.
>>>>>>> whats the reason that nvda performs slow when using internet
>>>>>>> explorer?
>>>>>>> it reads after one or two second if i press any arrow keys, quick
>>>>>>> navigation keys etc.
>>>>>>> God bless you all!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/13/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 08:38 am, Carlos wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    As this thread progresses.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     I wonder if at some point someone will show up wanting support
>>>>>>>>> for Windows 3.1x?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Whether that's been stated directly or not, it's the only logical
>>>>>>>> conclusion of the premise that backward compatibility must be
>>>>>>>> maintained forever and those who adamantly refuse to ever change
>>>>>>>> deserve primacy over those who behave normally (and that's the only
>>>>>>>> reasonable term for it).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Clutching on to long dead things is not normal nor is it healthy.
>>>>>>>> Even
>>>>>>>> when forced by circumstance it's still not normal or healthy, just
>>>>>>>> necessary.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There can be no rational argument made, so irrational seems to
>>>>>>>> suffice for some.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Brian  - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot
>>>>>>>> level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *     * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.*
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>> the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound
>>>>>>>> truth.*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *           ~ * *Niels Bohr*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
>>>>>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>>>>>> in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
>>>>>>> indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of
>>>>>>> salvation.
>>>>>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>>>>>> www.al-islam.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
>>>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>>>> in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
>>>>> indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of
>>>>> salvation.
>>>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>>>> www.al-islam.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>> in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
>>> indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>> www.al-islam.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org




Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

 

thanks again gene.
i promised many times to use firefox 52 forever and wish that can
fulfill my promise by the grace of God.

but i say always my views with honesty completely.
many days ago, i downloaded and installed firefox version 3.6 and
could do all of my works with it!
reading emails, going to many websites was without any problem.
i even could search in the google with javascript desabled.
but i enabled it for testing search in the google and any characters
which i typed cause firefox to crash.

my favorite version firefox 52 did not work for me in many days, i
found cause of problem and solved it.
but in the days that i could not use firefox, i tried internet
explorer 8 and was slow using nvda, specially using navigation quick
keys, and also sometimes when i wanted to navigate word by word.
its even slow for openning websites and many times it gives me the
error that internet explorer can not display the webpage!

On 10/16/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
That may be true but it is far too general a statement. You can be using an
old version of Firefox with Windows 7 and supported features will work well.
For example, Firefox has supported HTML5 audio for a good while and even if
you use an old version of Firefox, if that feature is supported, it will
work well. But in XP, at least on the two machines I tested with, even when
XP was current, while version updates were still offered, HTML5 didn't work
properly. This may be a problem in XP since it didn't work properly in
Chrome either.

But not using a current version of an operating system may still allow
supported features to work well and usually they do. From a shorter term
perspective, the problem is generally the loss of security from things like
malware. Loss of access to new features will occur over time but that is a
slow process. The Internet doesn't adopt and discard new protocols and
features over night. It may be months or years before an old standard or
feature is unsupported even as the new one is introduced. The longer you
use old programs and versions of Windows, the more you will gradually lose
access, but it is gradual, as I said.

And the gradual loss will affect some people more than others. I use Drop
Box enough that XP no longer working with it is important. I use my Windows
7 machine for Drop Box. Someone who never uploads files to Drop Box and
only downloads files from links in e-mail messages, won't have any problem
when using XP. You can use a browser to download from Drop Box with XP.
But you can't use the Drop Box program to manage your files or work with
shared files. So different people will be affected to a very different
extent by this loss.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Hareth
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 7:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


Hi, Jene,
Thanks for the reply,
You've said
Quote
But the general statement about quickly losing access is
incorrect. End of quote
If its pointed to my previous reply, I didn't say that.
I've said out dated dead internet related software wont work properly.
And with that I meant even if it worked, it wont be without problems.

On 10/16/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I'm not specifically supporting anyone in terms of taking sides. I'm
pointing out conduct I think harms civility and good feeling on the list,
no
matter who might do it and no matter whom it might be directed to. Of
course, I'm discussing the specific instance because that is the specific
conduct.

Regarding other matters, Zara didn't generalize. She said that Firefox
isn't working well reliably, but didn't say that that is a general
problem
for users. The message about how well Firefox works may be contradicted
by
the message about it having problems but these aren't general statements
about how the program works. So, while contradictory information about
her
specific case may have been given, it isn't generalized in the message.

Also, you won't quickly lose access to the Internet by using XP or
programs
that aren't upgraded. Over time, you will be able to use increasingly
fewer
sites and new unsupported features won't work. Firefox has stopped
providing new versions for XP. It offers security upgrades for its last
XP
version but that will stop soon. That means that the latest version XP
users can use is 52.x. That browser will become increasingly vulnerable
to
security flaws but it will work in general for years, gradually becoming
less useful. The same with Chrome. The really old browser in the
discussion is IE8. It's so old it is already becoming very limited in
what
can be done. But the general statement about quickly losing access is
incorrect.

As a general comment, I often see people use a very bad strategy to get
help. They ask how to do something and don't explain the problem. They
just ask how to do something, which they guess or think is their solution
to
the problem. It often isn't, or there are better solutions. But because
the person only asks how to do something, no one on list can address the
actual problem. So the person only gets answers about how to do what
they
ask about, as in this case. In this case, it was asked why Internet
Explorer is so slow. That gave us no information about the problem. I
often see this being done and it often results in a lot of discussion
about
how to do what is asked and doesn't deal with the actual problem. At
some
point, the person who asked the question often gives more information,
perhaps because the solution the person is trying doesn't work and then,
the
actual problem is discussed.

I'm not blaming anyone nor criticizing anyone. I'm saying that on this
and
other lists, when asking for help with a problem related to a computer,
it
is important to give the details of the actual problem unless you are
absolutely sure you know the solution and alot of the time, questions
about
how to do what someone things is the solution either don't solve the
problem
or better solutions are available.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----
From: Hareth
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 6:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


Excuse me, but you've said yesterday that even firefox 1st version is
working fine, before Jene's reply talking about that you are a
firefox user, and now you're saying the one installed on your PC has
stopped on you?
Please put some common sense into your posts, after all this is a
reliable information source for many people. and honestly your are
started generating some of unnecessary misinforming posts like the
last 2.
This is not a political debate to support your opinion or not. unless
you upgrade your software, nothing On your PC related to the internet
would work properly simply because its getting a lot of code changes
in short periods, plus the crucially important security updates.And
you need to know as a fact! That no opinion support words would
resolve any of your out of date dead software problems.
10/16/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi gene.
i sincerely appreciate you, admire you and pray for you sincerely
always and thanks extremely for your support for me!
yes, i always use firefox, but many days firefox became unusable for
me and tried internet explorer which was very slow with nvda and i
asked its reason!
God bless you and God bless all!

On 10/15/17, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:
That's what he does. He does convert records to mp3s for his friends
and
himself.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October-15-17 12:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

I can understand using XP to record records as mp3 files or other
things
that don't involve having to go online.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Arlene
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 11:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Oh yeah, if you have outdated os systems. You will get viruses and
expose
your lists with them. I have a friend who uses xp but he doesn't put
it
online. He uses it to put his records to mp3. Or other audio stuff
that
xp
does. He said it's all outdated but it works for what he does. He
wont
put
it online for that reason! He has a windows ten computer. He too
calls
that xp machine old and outdated!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October-15-17 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Hi,

I'm not the least bit offended by this message because it's the truth.
Sometimes you have to be harsh with people to shake them up. I'm glad
you
got on Zhara's case about using old outdated programs. That's
unacceptable.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Hareth
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 3:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Zahra,
You are free to choose and use any software you want.
But despite any opinion that sugarcoat the truth, you'd be coming back
with
more and more of similar and worse problems and they will stack up on
your
PC.
out of date non supported browsers that don't open most of the modern
websites, out of date OS, and out of date screenreader soon more of
them
would fall behind.

yet you know what is the source of most of your problems, and how to
fix
them as they should be fixed, just update. because developers update
there
code to fix bugs and make there SW compatible with the current other
software.
and you still post them out of date software related issues, just to
generate more debate about how do you wish that, every dead software
"to
be
supported forever"
Its not going to happen!. not now, not forever. please, a lot of us are
really tired of pressing the delete key so many times for the same
reason
from the same person.
I'm sorry if it sound harsh but some time life and the truth does sound
harsh.
My apologies if I fended anyone


On 10/15/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi.
i have internet explorer 8 which is the last version that works on xp.
but unfortunately the performance of nvda is very slow and i cant open
many websites with it.
whats the reason?
do you have this problem using newer versions of internet explorer?
God bless you all!

On 10/15/17, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:
I didn’t think so. That's too bad that some people don’t want to hear
that.
they seem to be happier with their old clunkers! I know in reality
you can't update these things because of the changing code. It would
be like taking a 1950s mustang on the road and it can't keep up to
speed.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October-14-17 9:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Hi, Arleen,

I don't think older stuff can be updated.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Arlene
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 10:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

I think what this person's saying she he wishes that he she wants to
have things kept up using older versions of programs. Even IE 8.
That's how high xp goes. I know, some people don’t want to update
their stuff. for whatever reason they want to stay where they are. I
really don’t know if you can update older programs with older
computers. The IE codes constantly changes. Same with firefox.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Hareth
Sent: October-14-17 3:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Witch version of explorer? Its working normal with IE11.
On 10/14/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
i wish that i were programmer and participate in improvement of nvda
and even compatibility with very old operating systems or softwares.
i remembered one question.
whats the reason that nvda performs slow when using internet
explorer?
it reads after one or two second if i press any arrow keys, quick
navigation keys etc.
God bless you all!

On 10/13/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 08:38 am, Carlos wrote:




As this thread progresses.



I wonder if at some point someone will show up wanting support
for Windows 3.1x?

Whether that's been stated directly or not, it's the only logical
conclusion of the premise that backward compatibility must be
maintained forever and those who adamantly refuse to ever change
deserve primacy over those who behave normally (and that's the only
reasonable term for it).

Clutching on to long dead things is not normal nor is it healthy.
Even
when forced by circumstance it's still not normal or healthy, just
necessary.

There can be no rational argument made, so irrational seems to
suffice for some.

--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot
level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

* * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.*
*
But
the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound
truth.*

* ~ * *Niels Bohr*

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of
salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org
















--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of
salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org



















--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Gene
 

That may be true but it is far too general a statement.  You can be using an old version of Firefox with Windows 7 and supported features will work well.  For example, Firefox has supported HTML5 audio for a good while and even if you use an old version of Firefox, if that feature is supported, it will work well.  But in XP, at least on the two machines I tested with, even when XP was current, while version updates were still offered, HTML5 didn't work properly.  This may be a problem in XP since it didn't work properly in Chrome either. 
 
But not using a current version of an operating system may still allow supported features to work well and usually they do.  From a shorter term perspective, the problem is generally the loss of security from things like malware.  Loss of access to new features will occur over time but that is a slow process.  The Internet doesn't adopt and discard new protocols and features over night.  It may be months or years before an old standard or feature is unsupported even as the new one is introduced.  The longer you use old programs and versions of Windows, the more you will gradually lose access, but it is gradual, as I said. 
 
And the gradual loss will affect some people more than others.  I use Drop Box enough that XP no longer working with it is important.  I use my Windows 7 machine for Drop Box.  Someone who never uploads files to Drop Box and only downloads files from links in e-mail messages, won't have any problem when using XP.  You can use a browser to download from Drop Box with XP.  But you can't use the Drop Box program to manage your files or work with shared files.  So different people will be affected to a very different extent by this loss.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Hareth
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Hi, Jene,
Thanks for the reply,
You've said
Quote
But the general statement about quickly losing access is
> incorrect.  End of quote
If its pointed to my previous reply, I didn't say that.
I've said  out dated dead internet related software wont work properly.
And with that I meant even if it worked, it wont be without problems.

On 10/16/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I'm not specifically supporting anyone in terms of taking sides.  I'm
> pointing out conduct I think harms civility and good feeling on the list, no
> matter who might do it and no matter whom it might be directed to.  Of
> course, I'm discussing the specific instance because that is the specific
> conduct.
>
> Regarding other matters, Zara didn't generalize.  She said that Firefox
> isn't working well reliably, but didn't say that that is a general problem
> for users.  The message about how well Firefox works may be contradicted by
> the message about it having problems but these aren't general statements
> about how the program works.  So, while contradictory information about her
> specific case may have been given, it isn't generalized in the message.
>
> Also, you won't quickly lose access to the Internet by using XP or programs
> that aren't upgraded.  Over time, you will be able to use increasingly fewer
> sites and new unsupported features won't work.  Firefox has stopped
> providing new versions for XP.  It offers security upgrades for its last XP
> version but that will stop soon.  That means that the latest version XP
> users can use is 52.x.  That browser will become increasingly vulnerable to
> security flaws but it will work in general for years, gradually becoming
> less useful.  The same with Chrome.  The really old browser in the
> discussion is IE8.  It's so old it is already becoming very limited in what
> can be done.  But the general statement about quickly losing access is
> incorrect.
>
> As a general comment, I often see people use a very bad strategy to get
> help.  They ask how to do something and don't explain the problem.  They
> just ask how to do something, which they guess or think is their solution to
> the problem.  It often isn't, or there are better solutions.  But because
> the person only asks how to do something, no one on list can address the
> actual problem.  So the person only gets answers about how to do what they
> ask about, as in this case.  In this case, it was asked why Internet
> Explorer is so slow.  That gave us no information about the problem.  I
> often see this being done and it often results in a lot of discussion about
> how to do what is asked and doesn't deal with the actual problem.  At some
> point, the person who asked the question often gives more information,
> perhaps because the solution the person is trying doesn't work and then, the
> actual problem is discussed.
>
> I'm not blaming anyone nor criticizing anyone.  I'm saying that on this and
> other lists, when asking for help with a problem related to a computer, it
> is important to give the details of the actual problem unless you are
> absolutely sure you know the solution and alot of the time, questions about
> how to do what someone things is the solution either don't solve the problem
> or better solutions are available.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> Gene----- Original Message -----
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hareth
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 6:43 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>
>
> Excuse me, but you've said yesterday that even firefox 1st version is
> working fine, before Jene's reply talking about  that you are a
> firefox user, and now you're saying the one installed on your PC has
> stopped on you?
> Please put some common sense into your posts, after all this is a
> reliable information source for many people. and honestly  your are
> started generating some  of unnecessary misinforming posts like the
> last 2.
> This is not a political debate to support your opinion or not. unless
> you upgrade your software, nothing On your PC related to the internet
> would work properly simply because its getting a lot of code changes
> in short periods, plus the crucially important security updates.And
> you need to know as a fact! That no opinion support words would
> resolve  any of your out of date dead software problems.
> 10/16/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
>> hi gene.
>> i sincerely appreciate you, admire you and pray for you sincerely
>> always and thanks extremely for your support for me!
>> yes, i always use firefox, but many days firefox became unusable for
>> me and tried internet explorer which was very slow with nvda and i
>> asked its reason!
>> God bless you and God bless all!
>>
>> On 10/15/17, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
>>> That's what he does. He does convert records to mp3s for his friends and
>>> himself.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Rosemarie Chavarria
>>> Sent: October-15-17 12:23 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>>>
>>> I can understand using XP to record records as mp3 files or other things
>>> that don't involve having to go online.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Arlene
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 11:44 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>>>
>>> Oh yeah, if you have outdated os systems. You will get viruses and
>>> expose
>>> your lists with them.  I have a friend who uses xp but he doesn't put it
>>> online.  He uses it to put his records to mp3. Or other audio stuff that
>>> xp
>>> does.  He said it's all outdated but it works for what he does.  He wont
>>> put
>>> it online for that reason!  He has a windows ten computer.  He too calls
>>> that xp machine old and outdated!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Rosemarie Chavarria
>>> Sent: October-15-17 9:53 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm not the least bit offended by this message because it's the truth.
>>> Sometimes you have to be harsh with people to shake them up. I'm glad
>>> you
>>> got on Zhara's case about using old outdated programs. That's
>>> unacceptable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Hareth
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 3:06 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>>>
>>> Zahra,
>>> You are free to choose and use any software you want.
>>> But despite any opinion that sugarcoat the truth, you'd be coming back
>>> with
>>> more and more of  similar and worse problems and they will stack up on
>>> your
>>> PC.
>>> out of date non supported browsers that don't open most of the modern
>>> websites, out of date OS, and out of date screenreader soon more of them
>>> would fall behind.
>>>
>>> yet you know what is the source of most of your problems, and how to fix
>>> them as they should be fixed, just update. because developers update
>>> there
>>> code to fix bugs and make there SW compatible with the current other
>>> software.
>>> and you still post them out of date software related issues, just to
>>> generate more debate about how do you wish that, every dead software "to
>>> be
>>> supported forever"
>>> Its not going to happen!. not now, not forever. please, a lot of us are
>>> really tired of pressing the delete key so many times for the same
>>> reason
>>> from the same person.
>>> I'm sorry if it sound harsh but some time life and the truth does sound
>>> harsh.
>>> My apologies if I fended anyone
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/15/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
>>>> hi.
>>>> i have internet explorer 8 which is the last version that works on xp.
>>>> but unfortunately the performance of nvda is very slow and i cant open
>>>> many websites with it.
>>>> whats the reason?
>>>> do you have this problem using newer versions of internet explorer?
>>>> God bless you all!
>>>>
>>>> On 10/15/17, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
>>>>> I didn’t think so. That's too bad that some people don’t want to hear
>>>>> that.
>>>>> they seem to be happier with their old clunkers!  I know in reality
>>>>> you can't update these things because of the changing code. It would
>>>>> be like taking a 1950s mustang on the road and it can't keep up to
>>>>> speed.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Rosemarie Chavarria
>>>>> Sent: October-14-17 9:04 PM
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Arleen,
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think older stuff can be updated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rosemarie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Arlene
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 10:38 AM
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>>>>>
>>>>> I think what this person's saying she he wishes that he she wants to
>>>>> have things kept up using older versions of programs. Even IE 8.
>>>>> That's how high xp goes. I know, some people don’t want to update
>>>>> their stuff. for whatever reason they want to stay where they are.  I
>>>>> really don’t know if you can update older programs with older
>>>>> computers.  The IE codes constantly changes. Same with firefox.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Hareth
>>>>> Sent: October-14-17 3:26 AM
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>>>>>
>>>>> Witch version  of explorer? Its working normal with IE11.
>>>>> On 10/14/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
>>>>>> i wish that i were programmer and participate in improvement of nvda
>>>>>> and even compatibility with very old operating systems or softwares.
>>>>>> i remembered one question.
>>>>>> whats the reason that nvda performs slow when using internet
>>>>>> explorer?
>>>>>> it reads after one or two second if i press any arrow keys, quick
>>>>>> navigation keys etc.
>>>>>> God bless you all!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/13/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 08:38 am, Carlos wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    As this thread progresses.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     I wonder if at some point someone will show up wanting support
>>>>>>>> for Windows 3.1x?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whether that's been stated directly or not, it's the only logical
>>>>>>> conclusion of the premise that backward compatibility must be
>>>>>>> maintained forever and those who adamantly refuse to ever change
>>>>>>> deserve primacy over those who behave normally (and that's the only
>>>>>>> reasonable term for it).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Clutching on to long dead things is not normal nor is it healthy.
>>>>>>> Even
>>>>>>> when forced by circumstance it's still not normal or healthy, just
>>>>>>> necessary.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There can be no rational argument made, so irrational seems to
>>>>>>> suffice for some.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Brian  - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot
>>>>>>> level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *     * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.*
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>> the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound
>>>>>>> truth.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *           ~ * *Niels Bohr*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
>>>>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>>>>> in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
>>>>>> indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of
>>>>>> salvation.
>>>>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>>>>> www.al-islam.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
>>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>>> in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
>>>> indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
>>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>>> www.al-islam.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
>> indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> www.al-islam.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Hareth
 

Hi, Jene,
Thanks for the reply,
You've said
Quote
But the general statement about quickly losing access is
incorrect. End of quote
If its pointed to my previous reply, I didn't say that.
I've said out dated dead internet related software wont work properly.
And with that I meant even if it worked, it wont be without problems.

On 10/16/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I'm not specifically supporting anyone in terms of taking sides. I'm
pointing out conduct I think harms civility and good feeling on the list, no
matter who might do it and no matter whom it might be directed to. Of
course, I'm discussing the specific instance because that is the specific
conduct.

Regarding other matters, Zara didn't generalize. She said that Firefox
isn't working well reliably, but didn't say that that is a general problem
for users. The message about how well Firefox works may be contradicted by
the message about it having problems but these aren't general statements
about how the program works. So, while contradictory information about her
specific case may have been given, it isn't generalized in the message.

Also, you won't quickly lose access to the Internet by using XP or programs
that aren't upgraded. Over time, you will be able to use increasingly fewer
sites and new unsupported features won't work. Firefox has stopped
providing new versions for XP. It offers security upgrades for its last XP
version but that will stop soon. That means that the latest version XP
users can use is 52.x. That browser will become increasingly vulnerable to
security flaws but it will work in general for years, gradually becoming
less useful. The same with Chrome. The really old browser in the
discussion is IE8. It's so old it is already becoming very limited in what
can be done. But the general statement about quickly losing access is
incorrect.

As a general comment, I often see people use a very bad strategy to get
help. They ask how to do something and don't explain the problem. They
just ask how to do something, which they guess or think is their solution to
the problem. It often isn't, or there are better solutions. But because
the person only asks how to do something, no one on list can address the
actual problem. So the person only gets answers about how to do what they
ask about, as in this case. In this case, it was asked why Internet
Explorer is so slow. That gave us no information about the problem. I
often see this being done and it often results in a lot of discussion about
how to do what is asked and doesn't deal with the actual problem. At some
point, the person who asked the question often gives more information,
perhaps because the solution the person is trying doesn't work and then, the
actual problem is discussed.

I'm not blaming anyone nor criticizing anyone. I'm saying that on this and
other lists, when asking for help with a problem related to a computer, it
is important to give the details of the actual problem unless you are
absolutely sure you know the solution and alot of the time, questions about
how to do what someone things is the solution either don't solve the problem
or better solutions are available.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----
From: Hareth
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 6:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003


Excuse me, but you've said yesterday that even firefox 1st version is
working fine, before Jene's reply talking about that you are a
firefox user, and now you're saying the one installed on your PC has
stopped on you?
Please put some common sense into your posts, after all this is a
reliable information source for many people. and honestly your are
started generating some of unnecessary misinforming posts like the
last 2.
This is not a political debate to support your opinion or not. unless
you upgrade your software, nothing On your PC related to the internet
would work properly simply because its getting a lot of code changes
in short periods, plus the crucially important security updates.And
you need to know as a fact! That no opinion support words would
resolve any of your out of date dead software problems.
10/16/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi gene.
i sincerely appreciate you, admire you and pray for you sincerely
always and thanks extremely for your support for me!
yes, i always use firefox, but many days firefox became unusable for
me and tried internet explorer which was very slow with nvda and i
asked its reason!
God bless you and God bless all!

On 10/15/17, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:
That's what he does. He does convert records to mp3s for his friends and
himself.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October-15-17 12:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

I can understand using XP to record records as mp3 files or other things
that don't involve having to go online.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Arlene
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 11:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Oh yeah, if you have outdated os systems. You will get viruses and
expose
your lists with them. I have a friend who uses xp but he doesn't put it
online. He uses it to put his records to mp3. Or other audio stuff that
xp
does. He said it's all outdated but it works for what he does. He wont
put
it online for that reason! He has a windows ten computer. He too calls
that xp machine old and outdated!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October-15-17 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Hi,

I'm not the least bit offended by this message because it's the truth.
Sometimes you have to be harsh with people to shake them up. I'm glad
you
got on Zhara's case about using old outdated programs. That's
unacceptable.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Hareth
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 3:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Zahra,
You are free to choose and use any software you want.
But despite any opinion that sugarcoat the truth, you'd be coming back
with
more and more of similar and worse problems and they will stack up on
your
PC.
out of date non supported browsers that don't open most of the modern
websites, out of date OS, and out of date screenreader soon more of them
would fall behind.

yet you know what is the source of most of your problems, and how to fix
them as they should be fixed, just update. because developers update
there
code to fix bugs and make there SW compatible with the current other
software.
and you still post them out of date software related issues, just to
generate more debate about how do you wish that, every dead software "to
be
supported forever"
Its not going to happen!. not now, not forever. please, a lot of us are
really tired of pressing the delete key so many times for the same
reason
from the same person.
I'm sorry if it sound harsh but some time life and the truth does sound
harsh.
My apologies if I fended anyone


On 10/15/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi.
i have internet explorer 8 which is the last version that works on xp.
but unfortunately the performance of nvda is very slow and i cant open
many websites with it.
whats the reason?
do you have this problem using newer versions of internet explorer?
God bless you all!

On 10/15/17, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:
I didn’t think so. That's too bad that some people don’t want to hear
that.
they seem to be happier with their old clunkers! I know in reality
you can't update these things because of the changing code. It would
be like taking a 1950s mustang on the road and it can't keep up to
speed.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October-14-17 9:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Hi, Arleen,

I don't think older stuff can be updated.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Arlene
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 10:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

I think what this person's saying she he wishes that he she wants to
have things kept up using older versions of programs. Even IE 8.
That's how high xp goes. I know, some people don’t want to update
their stuff. for whatever reason they want to stay where they are. I
really don’t know if you can update older programs with older
computers. The IE codes constantly changes. Same with firefox.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Hareth
Sent: October-14-17 3:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Witch version of explorer? Its working normal with IE11.
On 10/14/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
i wish that i were programmer and participate in improvement of nvda
and even compatibility with very old operating systems or softwares.
i remembered one question.
whats the reason that nvda performs slow when using internet
explorer?
it reads after one or two second if i press any arrow keys, quick
navigation keys etc.
God bless you all!

On 10/13/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 08:38 am, Carlos wrote:




As this thread progresses.



I wonder if at some point someone will show up wanting support
for Windows 3.1x?

Whether that's been stated directly or not, it's the only logical
conclusion of the premise that backward compatibility must be
maintained forever and those who adamantly refuse to ever change
deserve primacy over those who behave normally (and that's the only
reasonable term for it).

Clutching on to long dead things is not normal nor is it healthy.
Even
when forced by circumstance it's still not normal or healthy, just
necessary.

There can be no rational argument made, so irrational seems to
suffice for some.

--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot
level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

* * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.*
*
But
the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound
truth.*

* ~ * *Niels Bohr*

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of
salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org
















--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org



















--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org






Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Gene
 

I'm not specifically supporting anyone in terms of taking sides.  I'm pointing out conduct I think harms civility and good feeling on the list, no matter who might do it and no matter whom it might be directed to.  Of course, I'm discussing the specific instance because that is the specific conduct.
 
Regarding other matters, Zara didn't generalize.  She said that Firefox isn't working well reliably, but didn't say that that is a general problem for users.  The message about how well Firefox works may be contradicted by the message about it having problems but these aren't general statements about how the program works.  So, while contradictory information about her specific case may have been given, it isn't generalized in the message.
 
Also, you won't quickly lose access to the Internet by using XP or programs that aren't upgraded.  Over time, you will be able to use increasingly fewer sites and new unsupported features won't work.  Firefox has stopped providing new versions for XP.  It offers security upgrades for its last XP version but that will stop soon.  That means that the latest version XP users can use is 52.x.  That browser will become increasingly vulnerable to security flaws but it will work in general for years, gradually becoming less useful.  The same with Chrome.  The really old browser in the discussion is IE8.  It's so old it is already becoming very limited in what can be done.  But the general statement about quickly losing access is incorrect. 
 
As a general comment, I often see people use a very bad strategy to get help.  They ask how to do something and don't explain the problem.  They just ask how to do something, which they guess or think is their solution to the problem.  It often isn't, or there are better solutions.  But because the person only asks how to do something, no one on list can address the actual problem.  So the person only gets answers about how to do what they ask about, as in this case.  In this case, it was asked why Internet Explorer is so slow.  That gave us no information about the problem.  I often see this being done and it often results in a lot of discussion about how to do what is asked and doesn't deal with the actual problem.  At some point, the person who asked the question often gives more information, perhaps because the solution the person is trying doesn't work and then, the actual problem is discussed. 
 
I'm not blaming anyone nor criticizing anyone.  I'm saying that on this and other lists, when asking for help with a problem related to a computer, it is important to give the details of the actual problem unless you are absolutely sure you know the solution and alot of the time, questions about how to do what someone things is the solution either don't solve the problem or better solutions are available. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Gene----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----
From: Hareth
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Excuse me, but you've said yesterday that even firefox 1st version is
working fine, before Jene's reply talking about  that you are a
firefox user, and now you're saying the one installed on your PC has
stopped on you?
Please put some common sense into your posts, after all this is a
reliable information source for many people. and honestly  your are
started generating some  of unnecessary misinforming posts like the
last 2.
This is not a political debate to support your opinion or not. unless
you upgrade your software, nothing On your PC related to the internet
would work properly simply because its getting a lot of code changes
in short periods, plus the crucially important security updates.And
you need to know as a fact! That no opinion support words would
resolve  any of your out of date dead software problems.
10/16/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
> hi gene.
> i sincerely appreciate you, admire you and pray for you sincerely
> always and thanks extremely for your support for me!
> yes, i always use firefox, but many days firefox became unusable for
> me and tried internet explorer which was very slow with nvda and i
> asked its reason!
> God bless you and God bless all!
>
> On 10/15/17, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
>> That's what he does. He does convert records to mp3s for his friends and
>> himself.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Rosemarie Chavarria
>> Sent: October-15-17 12:23 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>>
>> I can understand using XP to record records as mp3 files or other things
>> that don't involve having to go online.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Arlene
>> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 11:44 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>>
>> Oh yeah, if you have outdated os systems. You will get viruses and expose
>> your lists with them.  I have a friend who uses xp but he doesn't put it
>> online.  He uses it to put his records to mp3. Or other audio stuff that
>> xp
>> does.  He said it's all outdated but it works for what he does.  He wont
>> put
>> it online for that reason!  He has a windows ten computer.  He too calls
>> that xp machine old and outdated!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Rosemarie Chavarria
>> Sent: October-15-17 9:53 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm not the least bit offended by this message because it's the truth.
>> Sometimes you have to be harsh with people to shake them up. I'm glad you
>> got on Zhara's case about using old outdated programs. That's
>> unacceptable.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Hareth
>> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 3:06 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>>
>> Zahra,
>> You are free to choose and use any software you want.
>> But despite any opinion that sugarcoat the truth, you'd be coming back
>> with
>> more and more of  similar and worse problems and they will stack up on
>> your
>> PC.
>> out of date non supported browsers that don't open most of the modern
>> websites, out of date OS, and out of date screenreader soon more of them
>> would fall behind.
>>
>> yet you know what is the source of most of your problems, and how to fix
>> them as they should be fixed, just update. because developers update
>> there
>> code to fix bugs and make there SW compatible with the current other
>> software.
>> and you still post them out of date software related issues, just to
>> generate more debate about how do you wish that, every dead software "to
>> be
>> supported forever"
>> Its not going to happen!. not now, not forever. please, a lot of us are
>> really tired of pressing the delete key so many times for the same reason
>> from the same person.
>> I'm sorry if it sound harsh but some time life and the truth does sound
>> harsh.
>> My apologies if I fended anyone
>>
>>
>> On 10/15/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
>>> hi.
>>> i have internet explorer 8 which is the last version that works on xp.
>>> but unfortunately the performance of nvda is very slow and i cant open
>>> many websites with it.
>>> whats the reason?
>>> do you have this problem using newer versions of internet explorer?
>>> God bless you all!
>>>
>>> On 10/15/17, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
>>>> I didn’t think so. That's too bad that some people don’t want to hear
>>>> that.
>>>> they seem to be happier with their old clunkers!  I know in reality
>>>> you can't update these things because of the changing code. It would
>>>> be like taking a 1950s mustang on the road and it can't keep up to
>>>> speed.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>> Rosemarie Chavarria
>>>> Sent: October-14-17 9:04 PM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>>>>
>>>> Hi, Arleen,
>>>>
>>>> I don't think older stuff can be updated.
>>>>
>>>> Rosemarie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>> Arlene
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 10:38 AM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>>>>
>>>> I think what this person's saying she he wishes that he she wants to
>>>> have things kept up using older versions of programs. Even IE 8.
>>>> That's how high xp goes. I know, some people don’t want to update
>>>> their stuff. for whatever reason they want to stay where they are.  I
>>>> really don’t know if you can update older programs with older
>>>> computers.  The IE codes constantly changes. Same with firefox.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>> Hareth
>>>> Sent: October-14-17 3:26 AM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>>>>
>>>> Witch version  of explorer? Its working normal with IE11.
>>>> On 10/14/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
>>>>> i wish that i were programmer and participate in improvement of nvda
>>>>> and even compatibility with very old operating systems or softwares.
>>>>> i remembered one question.
>>>>> whats the reason that nvda performs slow when using internet explorer?
>>>>> it reads after one or two second if i press any arrow keys, quick
>>>>> navigation keys etc.
>>>>> God bless you all!
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/13/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 08:38 am, Carlos wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    As this thread progresses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     I wonder if at some point someone will show up wanting support
>>>>>>> for Windows 3.1x?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whether that's been stated directly or not, it's the only logical
>>>>>> conclusion of the premise that backward compatibility must be
>>>>>> maintained forever and those who adamantly refuse to ever change
>>>>>> deserve primacy over those who behave normally (and that's the only
>>>>>> reasonable term for it).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Clutching on to long dead things is not normal nor is it healthy.
>>>>>> Even
>>>>>> when forced by circumstance it's still not normal or healthy, just
>>>>>> necessary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There can be no rational argument made, so irrational seems to
>>>>>> suffice for some.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Brian  - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot
>>>>>> level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *     * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* *
>>>>>> But
>>>>>> the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound
>>>>>> truth.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *           ~ * *Niels Bohr*
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
>>>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>>>> in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
>>>>> indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of
>>>>> salvation.
>>>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>>>> www.al-islam.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>> in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
>>> indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>> www.al-islam.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
> indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> www.al-islam.org
>
>
>
>




Re: Need help with Windows 10 OCR

Mallard
 

It still works at this end, but I'm still on Windows 1607, which is probably why. I've just used it for about an hour, without any issues whatsoever.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 16/10/2017 11:47, Simone Dal Maso ha scritto:
I'm quite sure that this functionality is broken.
I created a ticket 2 days ago, unfortunately the OCR that worked for me stopped with latest windows update.

Il 16/10/2017 08:36, Quentin Christensen ha scritto:
Once you add a language in Windows 10, sometimes you need to add extra packs as part of that language. You may also need to restart, just to be sure.

Finally, not all languages are supported.  There are about 25 to start with I think I read, although finding a list of exactly which 25 seems to be a challenge.

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Dang Manh Cuong <dangmanhcuong@gmail.com <mailto:dangmanhcuong@gmail.com>> wrote:

    __
             To all listers
    Using NVDA 2017.3, and want to use Windows 10 OCR to recognize
    Vietnamese content. I Folowed the user guide, and installed this
    language, but it didn't list in th combobox in NVDA, so please help
    me to add this language to thee list, or check if Windows 10 OCR has
    supported this or not.
    Any help would be appreciated.
    Cuong
    ---------------
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      The Assistive technology specialist
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    52/22 Huynh Thien Loc St., Hoa Thanh ward, Tan Phu dist., HCM, Vietnam.
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Training and Support Manager

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Re: Issues with Windows 10 upgrades

Sarah k Alawami
 

That I believe was on Friday. It took me 6 tries to get that thing, same with my buddy who is also an insider. We got it though after about 8 hours of trying.

On Oct 16, 2017, at 12:26 AM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

I've had one or two builds with various problems.  One trick I've found that has sometimes worked to fix an update not working is to empty the "softwaredistribution" folder.  As per: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_vista-update/how-to-delete-downloaded-but-not-installed-windows/96e73135-bc4d-408c-9b5e-b9d299275178?auth=1

Basically go to the following folder:
%windir%\softwaredistribution\download
and delete everything in it.

If you are running Windows insiders, there has been a new build since then, so if there were problems with that one (I did see Windows insiders tweet they were getting reports of problems downloading recently, but can't remember exactly which build that was for) then the more recent build might have fixed it.  In any case, it will download it again and hopefully get everything it needs.

Kind regards

Quentin

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
Well I have 2 units and I will try tomorrow and see what they do





On 16/10/2017 7:51 p.m., Mallard wrote:
Hello Tony,


We tried again with all we could try. Nothing doing. At this point I've decided to give up, because the machine works very well as it is, so I'll let it go its own way as long as it goes. I'll think about it when time comes.


Thanks so much for all your help.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 12/10/2017 03:28, Tony Ballou ha scritto:
Hi Allie,


Sorry I'm getting to this so late.  If possible, I'd like to help, can
you contact me off list. I've had similar problems with windows 10
updates and just got them straightened out by updating the video card in
my desktop.


Tony


On 10/5/2017 9:23 AM, Mallard wrote:
Hello all,

My machine (a desktop from HP, which was bought refurbished, and has
12GB of ram at the moment) doesn't seem to want to upgrade to Creator.
It has been attempiting to do the updates, but every time it says
there's an error, and can't complete the procedure.

It gives me the following error:

Error: 0x8007001f

I searched for the code on teh web, and so did my husband, but we
didn't come up with anything viable.

Has anyone, by any chance, experienced somehting like this, and how
did you solve it, if you did at all?

Thanks, ciao,
Ollie


















-- 
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Gene
 

Thanks but the answer isn't to use IE8.  At this point, with no information, we don't know if Firefox has anything to do with the problem.  We don't know in any detail what the problem is.  It might be a network problem or a connection problem.  It might be something I don't know enough to speculate about.  A browser shouldn't change its performance from day to day.  I'm not saying it isn't possible, because I don't know.  But if we can't solve the problem or if you can't in other ways as well as our suggestions, the answer is to try something like Chrome.  Going back to a browser that is very old and antiquated isn't a solution. It won't work properly on many sites and some sites don't allow it to be used. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 3:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

hi gene.
i sincerely appreciate you, admire you and pray for you sincerely
always and thanks extremely for your support for me!
yes, i always use firefox, but many days firefox became unusable for
me and tried internet explorer which was very slow with nvda and i
asked its reason!
God bless you and God bless all!

On 10/15/17, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
> That's what he does. He does convert records to mp3s for his friends and
> himself.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Rosemarie Chavarria
> Sent: October-15-17 12:23 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>
> I can understand using XP to record records as mp3 files or other things
> that don't involve having to go online.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 11:44 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>
> Oh yeah, if you have outdated os systems. You will get viruses and expose
> your lists with them.  I have a friend who uses xp but he doesn't put it
> online.  He uses it to put his records to mp3. Or other audio stuff that xp
> does.  He said it's all outdated but it works for what he does.  He wont put
> it online for that reason!  He has a windows ten computer.  He too calls
> that xp machine old and outdated!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Rosemarie Chavarria
> Sent: October-15-17 9:53 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm not the least bit offended by this message because it's the truth.
> Sometimes you have to be harsh with people to shake them up. I'm glad you
> got on Zhara's case about using old outdated programs. That's unacceptable.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Hareth
> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 3:06 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>
> Zahra,
> You are free to choose and use any software you want.
> But despite any opinion that sugarcoat the truth, you'd be coming back with
> more and more of  similar and worse problems and they will stack up on your
> PC.
> out of date non supported browsers that don't open most of the modern
> websites, out of date OS, and out of date screenreader soon more of them
> would fall behind.
>
> yet you know what is the source of most of your problems, and how to fix
> them as they should be fixed, just update. because developers update there
> code to fix bugs and make there SW compatible with the current other
> software.
> and you still post them out of date software related issues, just to
> generate more debate about how do you wish that, every dead software "to be
> supported forever"
> Its not going to happen!. not now, not forever. please, a lot of us are
> really tired of pressing the delete key so many times for the same reason
> from the same person.
> I'm sorry if it sound harsh but some time life and the truth does sound
> harsh.
> My apologies if I fended anyone
>
>
> On 10/15/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
>> hi.
>> i have internet explorer 8 which is the last version that works on xp.
>> but unfortunately the performance of nvda is very slow and i cant open
>> many websites with it.
>> whats the reason?
>> do you have this problem using newer versions of internet explorer?
>> God bless you all!
>>
>> On 10/15/17, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
>>> I didn’t think so. That's too bad that some people don’t want to hear
>>> that.
>>> they seem to be happier with their old clunkers!  I know in reality
>>> you can't update these things because of the changing code. It would
>>> be like taking a 1950s mustang on the road and it can't keep up to
>>> speed.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Rosemarie Chavarria
>>> Sent: October-14-17 9:04 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>>>
>>> Hi, Arleen,
>>>
>>> I don't think older stuff can be updated.
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Arlene
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 10:38 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>>>
>>> I think what this person's saying she he wishes that he she wants to
>>> have things kept up using older versions of programs. Even IE 8.
>>> That's how high xp goes. I know, some people don’t want to update
>>> their stuff. for whatever reason they want to stay where they are.  I
>>> really don’t know if you can update older programs with older
>>> computers.  The IE codes constantly changes. Same with firefox.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Hareth
>>> Sent: October-14-17 3:26 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003
>>>
>>> Witch version  of explorer? Its working normal with IE11.
>>> On 10/14/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
>>>> i wish that i were programmer and participate in improvement of nvda
>>>> and even compatibility with very old operating systems or softwares.
>>>> i remembered one question.
>>>> whats the reason that nvda performs slow when using internet explorer?
>>>> it reads after one or two second if i press any arrow keys, quick
>>>> navigation keys etc.
>>>> God bless you all!
>>>>
>>>> On 10/13/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 08:38 am, Carlos wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    As this thread progresses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     I wonder if at some point someone will show up wanting support
>>>>>> for Windows 3.1x?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Whether that's been stated directly or not, it's the only logical
>>>>> conclusion of the premise that backward compatibility must be
>>>>> maintained forever and those who adamantly refuse to ever change
>>>>> deserve primacy over those who behave normally (and that's the only
>>>>> reasonable term for it).
>>>>>
>>>>> Clutching on to long dead things is not normal nor is it healthy.
>>>>> Even
>>>>> when forced by circumstance it's still not normal or healthy, just
>>>>> necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> There can be no rational argument made, so irrational seems to
>>>>> suffice for some.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Brian  - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot
>>>>> level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)
>>>>>
>>>>> *     * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* *
>>>>> But
>>>>> the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound
>>>>> truth.*
>>>>>
>>>>> *           ~ * *Niels Bohr*
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
>>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>>> in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
>>>> indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
>>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>>> www.al-islam.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
>> indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> www.al-islam.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org




Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Hareth
 

Excuse me, but you've said yesterday that even firefox 1st version is
working fine, before Jene's reply talking about that you are a
firefox user, and now you're saying the one installed on your PC has
stopped on you?
Please put some common sense into your posts, after all this is a
reliable information source for many people. and honestly your are
started generating some of unnecessary misinforming posts like the
last 2.
This is not a political debate to support your opinion or not. unless
you upgrade your software, nothing On your PC related to the internet
would work properly simply because its getting a lot of code changes
in short periods, plus the crucially important security updates.And
you need to know as a fact! That no opinion support words would
resolve any of your out of date dead software problems.
10/16/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:

hi gene.
i sincerely appreciate you, admire you and pray for you sincerely
always and thanks extremely for your support for me!
yes, i always use firefox, but many days firefox became unusable for
me and tried internet explorer which was very slow with nvda and i
asked its reason!
God bless you and God bless all!

On 10/15/17, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:
That's what he does. He does convert records to mp3s for his friends and
himself.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October-15-17 12:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

I can understand using XP to record records as mp3 files or other things
that don't involve having to go online.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Arlene
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 11:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Oh yeah, if you have outdated os systems. You will get viruses and expose
your lists with them. I have a friend who uses xp but he doesn't put it
online. He uses it to put his records to mp3. Or other audio stuff that
xp
does. He said it's all outdated but it works for what he does. He wont
put
it online for that reason! He has a windows ten computer. He too calls
that xp machine old and outdated!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October-15-17 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Hi,

I'm not the least bit offended by this message because it's the truth.
Sometimes you have to be harsh with people to shake them up. I'm glad you
got on Zhara's case about using old outdated programs. That's
unacceptable.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Hareth
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 3:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Zahra,
You are free to choose and use any software you want.
But despite any opinion that sugarcoat the truth, you'd be coming back
with
more and more of similar and worse problems and they will stack up on
your
PC.
out of date non supported browsers that don't open most of the modern
websites, out of date OS, and out of date screenreader soon more of them
would fall behind.

yet you know what is the source of most of your problems, and how to fix
them as they should be fixed, just update. because developers update
there
code to fix bugs and make there SW compatible with the current other
software.
and you still post them out of date software related issues, just to
generate more debate about how do you wish that, every dead software "to
be
supported forever"
Its not going to happen!. not now, not forever. please, a lot of us are
really tired of pressing the delete key so many times for the same reason
from the same person.
I'm sorry if it sound harsh but some time life and the truth does sound
harsh.
My apologies if I fended anyone


On 10/15/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi.
i have internet explorer 8 which is the last version that works on xp.
but unfortunately the performance of nvda is very slow and i cant open
many websites with it.
whats the reason?
do you have this problem using newer versions of internet explorer?
God bless you all!

On 10/15/17, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:
I didn’t think so. That's too bad that some people don’t want to hear
that.
they seem to be happier with their old clunkers! I know in reality
you can't update these things because of the changing code. It would
be like taking a 1950s mustang on the road and it can't keep up to
speed.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October-14-17 9:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Hi, Arleen,

I don't think older stuff can be updated.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Arlene
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 10:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

I think what this person's saying she he wishes that he she wants to
have things kept up using older versions of programs. Even IE 8.
That's how high xp goes. I know, some people don’t want to update
their stuff. for whatever reason they want to stay where they are. I
really don’t know if you can update older programs with older
computers. The IE codes constantly changes. Same with firefox.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Hareth
Sent: October-14-17 3:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Witch version of explorer? Its working normal with IE11.
On 10/14/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
i wish that i were programmer and participate in improvement of nvda
and even compatibility with very old operating systems or softwares.
i remembered one question.
whats the reason that nvda performs slow when using internet explorer?
it reads after one or two second if i press any arrow keys, quick
navigation keys etc.
God bless you all!

On 10/13/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 08:38 am, Carlos wrote:




As this thread progresses.



I wonder if at some point someone will show up wanting support
for Windows 3.1x?

Whether that's been stated directly or not, it's the only logical
conclusion of the premise that backward compatibility must be
maintained forever and those who adamantly refuse to ever change
deserve primacy over those who behave normally (and that's the only
reasonable term for it).

Clutching on to long dead things is not normal nor is it healthy.
Even
when forced by circumstance it's still not normal or healthy, just
necessary.

There can be no rational argument made, so irrational seems to
suffice for some.

--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot
level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

* * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* *
But
the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound
truth.*

* ~ * *Niels Bohr*

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of
salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org
















--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org



















--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org




Re: Need help with Windows 10 OCR

Simone Dal Maso
 

I'm quite sure that this functionality is broken.
I created a ticket 2 days ago, unfortunately the OCR that worked for me stopped with latest windows update.

Il 16/10/2017 08:36, Quentin Christensen ha scritto:
Once you add a language in Windows 10, sometimes you need to add extra packs as part of that language.  You may also need to restart, just to be sure.
Finally, not all languages are supported.  There are about 25 to start with I think I read, although finding a list of exactly which 25 seems to be a challenge.
Regards
Quentin.
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Dang Manh Cuong <dangmanhcuong@gmail.com <mailto:dangmanhcuong@gmail.com>> wrote:
__
        To all listers
Using NVDA 2017.3, and want to use Windows 10 OCR to recognize
Vietnamese content. I Folowed the user guide, and installed this
language, but it didn't list in th combobox in NVDA, so please help
me to add this language to thee list, or check if Windows 10 OCR has
supported this or not.
Any help would be appreciated.
Cuong
---------------
 Dang Manh Cuong
 The Assistive technology specialist
 Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
52/22 Huynh Thien Loc St., Hoa Thanh ward, Tan Phu dist., HCM, Vietnam.
 Tel: +8428 7302-4488 <tel:+84%2028%207302%204488>
 E-mail: vanphong@trungtamsaomai.org
<mailto:vanphong@trungtamsaomai.org>; congnghe@trungtamsaomai.org
<mailto:congnghe@trungtamsaomai.org>
 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SaoMaiCenter
<https://www.facebook.com/SaoMaiCenter>
 Website: http://www.trungtamsaomai.org; http://www.saomaicenter.org
 Mobile / Zalo: +84 902-572-300
 E-mail: dangmanhcuong@gmail.com <mailto:dangmanhcuong@gmail.com>;
cuong@trungtamsaomai.org <mailto:cuong@trungtamsaomai.org>
 Skype name: dangmanhcuong
 facebook: http://facebook.com/dangmanhcuong
<http://facebook.com/dangmanhcuong>
 Twitter: @ManhCuongTech
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess


Re: NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

 

hi gene.
i sincerely appreciate you, admire you and pray for you sincerely
always and thanks extremely for your support for me!
yes, i always use firefox, but many days firefox became unusable for
me and tried internet explorer which was very slow with nvda and i
asked its reason!
God bless you and God bless all!

On 10/15/17, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:
That's what he does. He does convert records to mp3s for his friends and
himself.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October-15-17 12:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

I can understand using XP to record records as mp3 files or other things
that don't involve having to go online.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 11:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Oh yeah, if you have outdated os systems. You will get viruses and expose
your lists with them. I have a friend who uses xp but he doesn't put it
online. He uses it to put his records to mp3. Or other audio stuff that xp
does. He said it's all outdated but it works for what he does. He wont put
it online for that reason! He has a windows ten computer. He too calls
that xp machine old and outdated!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October-15-17 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Hi,

I'm not the least bit offended by this message because it's the truth.
Sometimes you have to be harsh with people to shake them up. I'm glad you
got on Zhara's case about using old outdated programs. That's unacceptable.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 3:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Zahra,
You are free to choose and use any software you want.
But despite any opinion that sugarcoat the truth, you'd be coming back with
more and more of similar and worse problems and they will stack up on your
PC.
out of date non supported browsers that don't open most of the modern
websites, out of date OS, and out of date screenreader soon more of them
would fall behind.

yet you know what is the source of most of your problems, and how to fix
them as they should be fixed, just update. because developers update there
code to fix bugs and make there SW compatible with the current other
software.
and you still post them out of date software related issues, just to
generate more debate about how do you wish that, every dead software "to be
supported forever"
Its not going to happen!. not now, not forever. please, a lot of us are
really tired of pressing the delete key so many times for the same reason
from the same person.
I'm sorry if it sound harsh but some time life and the truth does sound
harsh.
My apologies if I fended anyone


On 10/15/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi.
i have internet explorer 8 which is the last version that works on xp.
but unfortunately the performance of nvda is very slow and i cant open
many websites with it.
whats the reason?
do you have this problem using newer versions of internet explorer?
God bless you all!

On 10/15/17, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:
I didn’t think so. That's too bad that some people don’t want to hear
that.
they seem to be happier with their old clunkers! I know in reality
you can't update these things because of the changing code. It would
be like taking a 1950s mustang on the road and it can't keep up to
speed.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: October-14-17 9:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Hi, Arleen,

I don't think older stuff can be updated.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Arlene
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 10:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

I think what this person's saying she he wishes that he she wants to
have things kept up using older versions of programs. Even IE 8.
That's how high xp goes. I know, some people don’t want to update
their stuff. for whatever reason they want to stay where they are. I
really don’t know if you can update older programs with older
computers. The IE codes constantly changes. Same with firefox.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Hareth
Sent: October-14-17 3:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 and Outlook 2003

Witch version of explorer? Its working normal with IE11.
On 10/14/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
i wish that i were programmer and participate in improvement of nvda
and even compatibility with very old operating systems or softwares.
i remembered one question.
whats the reason that nvda performs slow when using internet explorer?
it reads after one or two second if i press any arrow keys, quick
navigation keys etc.
God bless you all!

On 10/13/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 08:38 am, Carlos wrote:




As this thread progresses.



I wonder if at some point someone will show up wanting support
for Windows 3.1x?

Whether that's been stated directly or not, it's the only logical
conclusion of the premise that backward compatibility must be
maintained forever and those who adamantly refuse to ever change
deserve primacy over those who behave normally (and that's the only
reasonable term for it).

Clutching on to long dead things is not normal nor is it healthy.
Even
when forced by circumstance it's still not normal or healthy, just
necessary.

There can be no rational argument made, so irrational seems to
suffice for some.

--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot
level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

* * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* *
But
the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound
truth.*

* ~ * *Niels Bohr*

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org
















--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


















--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: Issues with Windows 10 upgrades

Mallard
 

Hello Quentin,


Many thanks. I don't know whether my husband did that already. In any case, I'll give it a try. It can't hurt...


Have a great week, and thanks for all your wonderful work.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 16/10/2017 09:26, Quentin Christensen ha scritto:
I've had one or two builds with various problems. One trick I've found that has sometimes worked to fix an update not working is to empty the "softwaredistribution" folder.  As per: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_vista-update/how-to-delete-downloaded-but-not-installed-windows/96e73135-bc4d-408c-9b5e-b9d299275178?auth=1

Basically go to the following folder:
%windir%\softwaredistribution\download
and delete everything in it.

If you are running Windows insiders, there has been a new build since then, so if there were problems with that one (I did see Windows insiders tweet they were getting reports of problems downloading recently, but can't remember exactly which build that was for) then the more recent build might have fixed it.  In any case, it will download it again and hopefully get everything it needs.

Kind regards

Quentin

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>> wrote:

Well I have 2 units and I will try tomorrow and see what they do





On 16/10/2017 7:51 p.m., Mallard wrote:

Hello Tony,


We tried again with all we could try. Nothing doing. At this
point I've decided to give up, because the machine works very
well as it is, so I'll let it go its own way as long as it
goes. I'll think about it when time comes.


Thanks so much for all your help.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 12/10/2017 03:28, Tony Ballou ha scritto:

Hi Allie,


Sorry I'm getting to this so late.  If possible, I'd like
to help, can
you contact me off list. I've had similar problems with
windows 10
updates and just got them straightened out by updating the
video card in
my desktop.


Tony


On 10/5/2017 9:23 AM, Mallard wrote:

Hello all,

My machine (a desktop from HP, which was bought
refurbished, and has
12GB of ram at the moment) doesn't seem to want to
upgrade to Creator.
It has been attempiting to do the updates, but every
time it says
there's an error, and can't complete the procedure.

It gives me the following error:

Error: 0x8007001f

I searched for the code on teh web, and so did my
husband, but we
didn't come up with anything viable.

Has anyone, by any chance, experienced somehting like
this, and how
did you solve it, if you did at all?

Thanks, ciao,
Ollie


















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Training and Support Manager

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Re: Issues with Windows 10 upgrades

Quentin Christensen
 

I've had one or two builds with various problems.  One trick I've found that has sometimes worked to fix an update not working is to empty the "softwaredistribution" folder.  As per: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_vista-update/how-to-delete-downloaded-but-not-installed-windows/96e73135-bc4d-408c-9b5e-b9d299275178?auth=1

Basically go to the following folder:
%windir%\softwaredistribution\download
and delete everything in it.

If you are running Windows insiders, there has been a new build since then, so if there were problems with that one (I did see Windows insiders tweet they were getting reports of problems downloading recently, but can't remember exactly which build that was for) then the more recent build might have fixed it.  In any case, it will download it again and hopefully get everything it needs.

Kind regards

Quentin

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
Well I have 2 units and I will try tomorrow and see what they do





On 16/10/2017 7:51 p.m., Mallard wrote:
Hello Tony,


We tried again with all we could try. Nothing doing. At this point I've decided to give up, because the machine works very well as it is, so I'll let it go its own way as long as it goes. I'll think about it when time comes.


Thanks so much for all your help.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 12/10/2017 03:28, Tony Ballou ha scritto:
Hi Allie,


Sorry I'm getting to this so late.  If possible, I'd like to help, can
you contact me off list. I've had similar problems with windows 10
updates and just got them straightened out by updating the video card in
my desktop.


Tony


On 10/5/2017 9:23 AM, Mallard wrote:
Hello all,

My machine (a desktop from HP, which was bought refurbished, and has
12GB of ram at the moment) doesn't seem to want to upgrade to Creator.
It has been attempiting to do the updates, but every time it says
there's an error, and can't complete the procedure.

It gives me the following error:

Error: 0x8007001f

I searched for the code on teh web, and so did my husband, but we
didn't come up with anything viable.

Has anyone, by any chance, experienced somehting like this, and how
did you solve it, if you did at all?

Thanks, ciao,
Ollie


















--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Issues with Windows 10 upgrades

 

Well I have 2 units and I will try tomorrow and see what they do

On 16/10/2017 7:51 p.m., Mallard wrote:
Hello Tony,


We tried again with all we could try. Nothing doing. At this point I've decided to give up, because the machine works very well as it is, so I'll let it go its own way as long as it goes. I'll think about it when time comes.


Thanks so much for all your help.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 12/10/2017 03:28, Tony Ballou ha scritto:
Hi Allie,


Sorry I'm getting to this so late.  If possible, I'd like to help, can
you contact me off list. I've had similar problems with windows 10
updates and just got them straightened out by updating the video card in
my desktop.


Tony


On 10/5/2017 9:23 AM, Mallard wrote:
Hello all,

My machine (a desktop from HP, which was bought refurbished, and has
12GB of ram at the moment) doesn't seem to want to upgrade to Creator.
It has been attempiting to do the updates, but every time it says
there's an error, and can't complete the procedure.

It gives me the following error:

Error: 0x8007001f

I searched for the code on teh web, and so did my husband, but we
didn't come up with anything viable.

Has anyone, by any chance, experienced somehting like this, and how
did you solve it, if you did at all?

Thanks, ciao,
Ollie






Re: Issues with Windows 10 upgrades

Mallard
 

Hello Tony,


We tried again with all we could try. Nothing doing. At this point I've decided to give up, because the machine works very well as it is, so I'll let it go its own way as long as it goes. I'll think about it when time comes.


Thanks so much for all your help.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 12/10/2017 03:28, Tony Ballou ha scritto:
Hi Allie,


Sorry I'm getting to this so late.  If possible, I'd like to help, can
you contact me off list. I've had similar problems with windows 10
updates and just got them straightened out by updating the video card in
my desktop.


Tony


On 10/5/2017 9:23 AM, Mallard wrote:
Hello all,

My machine (a desktop from HP, which was bought refurbished, and has
12GB of ram at the moment) doesn't seem to want to upgrade to Creator.
It has been attempiting to do the updates, but every time it says
there's an error, and can't complete the procedure.

It gives me the following error:

Error: 0x8007001f

I searched for the code on teh web, and so did my husband, but we
didn't come up with anything viable.

Has anyone, by any chance, experienced somehting like this, and how
did you solve it, if you did at all?

Thanks, ciao,
Ollie



Re: Need help with Windows 10 OCR

Quentin Christensen
 

Once you add a language in Windows 10, sometimes you need to add extra packs as part of that language.  You may also need to restart, just to be sure.

Finally, not all languages are supported.  There are about 25 to start with I think I read, although finding a list of exactly which 25 seems to be a challenge.

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Dang Manh Cuong <dangmanhcuong@...> wrote:
        To all listers
Using NVDA 2017.3, and want to use Windows 10 OCR to recognize Vietnamese content. I Folowed the user guide, and installed this language, but it didn't list in th combobox in NVDA, so please help me to add this language to thee list, or check if Windows 10 OCR has supported this or not.
Any help would be appreciated.
Cuong
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Re: chess clock for Nvda

Quentin Christensen
 

Is there any reason this would need to be a NVDA add-on rather than a separate program?  My chess game is not strong, so I'm not familiar with what other programs there might be out there to do this, but I would expect there should be a few available.  While they might not all be accessible, that's the route I would investigate first.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:24 PM, anthony borg <anthonyborg001@...> wrote:

Hi programers

I wonder if someone can create an add-on chess clock for Nvda, because it is very useful to keep time during chess tournaments.

Thanks in advance

Anthony borg




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