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Re: Accessing NVDA Menu

Chris
 

I think this may have been mentioned earlier but make sure caps lock is not turned on

It needs to be OFF otherwise it wont work as a modifier key

 

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 01 November 2017 15:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessing NVDA Menu

 

I  seem to recall she said she had set it  for caps lock which was the

problem.

Brian

 

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Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 8:34 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessing NVDA Menu

 

 

Its the NVDA key+N, that is N for November

Or in your case hold down the caps lock key and press the N key together

 

 

From: Andrea Sherry

Sent: 31 October 2017 22:25

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Accessing NVDA Menu

 

Using the capslock with NVDA key no longer works on my system.

 

Is anyone else having this problem?

 

Andrea

 

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Re: Reading PDF files with NVDA using acrobat? Or a webbrowser?

David Griffith
 

Personally I use  QRead for PDFs but this is not free.

As an experiment I took a Powerpoint presentation  which somebody had sent to me today  and converted it to a PDF.

I then opened it  from File Explorer in Edge with NVDA.

To a basic extent it worked very well and everything appeared to be read easily and normally in  Edge,. Certainly I could read through with line by line or  or paragraph just listen to the whole document with a say all command/ This  at least appears to be better than the say all interruption bug causing problems on the Mac at the moment.

The main downside is that although NVDA detected and announced the existence  of Headings n this document it did not navigate to them in my case with the use of the H heading command.

However as I say this was not a normal PDF so I would have to experiment further with this to see if it is a general problem.

However it seems that Edge is at least as good as if not better than the free text based PDF options like the Webbie Reader.

 

In terms of reading Tables  in PDFs Ihave in the past got around this by using Abbey Finereader which has seemed one of the best programs for detecting tables with a scan. I normally just read the tables then using Microsoft Word or save to Html to read in a browser.

However it may be that Acrobat support for screen reading access to tables has improved. I would have to hunt down a PDF with tables to check this out.

 

David Griffith

 

 

 

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From: Mary Otten
Sent: 01 November 2017 15:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading PDF files with NVDA using acrobat? Or a webbrowser?

 

So you are referring to the acrobat DC reader? I guess there is only one reader now? Just wanting to make sure I don’t get anything more complex then I need to have.

Mary

 

 

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> Adobe Reader will tag the document automatically. When you start the programm first time, it will recognize that you are using assistive technology. You will then have to configure the Auto tagging function. When you open a document, the reader will insert the tags. After a few mintues, depends on the size of the document you can start to read. This procedure is not necessary for accessible or taged documents, but these docs are very rare.

>

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>> Am 01.11.2017 um 15:31 schrieb Mary Otten:

>> I am coming from an old windows XP machine where I used an old version of Adobe acrobat with good success on many PDF files. It let me navigate tables, access links, read continuously if I wanted to, page through the document, etc. i’m going to get a new Windows 10 machine, and I’m going to put NVDA on it and of course it will have narrator. I want to know which method work the best for reading PDF files. I understand they will open in edge if you want. And I assume the Adobe DC acrobat reader or whatever it’s called is also accessible. I gather the older readers are no longer supported. Anyway, I’m looking for something that will give me the best possible experience with the least possible hassle.

>> Mary

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Re: NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome

 

Yeah, a lot of things like the new skype has a lot of clickable repeated buttons.

I do think we have this adjusted with sound.

Ie if something is text and is clickable a single sound or sound group should be played, it then shouldn't matter how many times it says clickable as long as it can be clicked.

On 2/11/2017 4:55 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Its a catch 22 though since we got these clickable items. You need to have a noise really, but its easy to miss that.
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Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome


Hello Clare



Thank you. I shall give your suggestion a go since I too dislike hearing
line number announcements constantly.

It was the same as hearing 'Clickable' continually when browsing the web.
Then I discovered through Document formatting how to disable this option.
Phew



Take care and thank you once again.



Philip

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clare
Page
Sent: 01 November 2017 11:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome



Hi!

I'm glad to hear that you like NVDA, Philip, but I'm sorry you have several
problems with it.

I can't answer most of your questions, but I can say that, as far as I know,
there are no special add-ons for Microsoft Office. I use Office 2007 myself,
specifically Word, Excel and Outlook: the latter crashes sometimes for me,
but otherwise it works well, and the only view change I made in Outlook
after installing it was to have the newest emails at the bottom which I
prefer. I also found that disabling the reading of tables works better for
me in emails, as the body of some emails comes up as tables and I don't want
to hear row and column numbers all the time while reading the text: that's
my choice, though, and you may feel differently about that.

I hope other people can answer your other questions!

Bye for now!

From Clare



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Philip
Anderson via Groups.Io
Sent: mercredi 1 novembre 2017 01:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome



Hi All





I am new to this group and wish to thank you for kindly accepting my
membership. I am very much looking forward to meeting you and hearing your
NVDA experiences.



I am really enjoying using NVDA. It is a fabulous alternative to JAWS.
However, I have a few questions and wondered if you can help.



Please forgive me in advance if I have included two many questions in one
email. I'm thinking most of them might simply be a case of settings; he says
holding his breath... J



Please advise if you would rather I created a separate thread for each
question. Here goes...

Operating System: Windows 7 Home

MS Office 2007



Q1. Are there any NVDA add ons for MS Office 2007?



I have searched, but cannot seem to find any.



In addition, what's the best configuration settings for viewing MS office
2007 Outlook messages in table view, only I am finding response time
terribly slow and crashes and programme closures frequent?

I have tried enabling 'tables' in 'settings' and selecting anything else
seemingly likely to resolve the problem, but without joy.



Furthermore, I am presently encountering problems sending and replying to
messages. I am having to launch the 'new message or 'reply' options twice
before I can write anything that NVDA will read back to me in all edit
fields from 'address, subject and body.'



* Attempt 1 merely keeps saying 'blank' whenever I type into the fields,
then freezes and I am forced to exit and try again.



* Works perfectly second time round.



NVDA, Google Chrome & Ebay



Q3. Similarly, I am experiencing one or two issues revising my Ebay
listings. While I am able to edit 'Product Title' and 'General Item
Specifics', there seems to be compatibility issues when it comes to updating
'Price' & 'Quantities' in listings with multiple variations when 'drag and
drop' is required. What do you recommend?



Q4. In Paypal, while I can generally find work arounds for most things,
accessing the buttons in 'packing slips' is a problem.



A Packing slip is a consignment note businesses can print off and include in
with their products they are sending out to their customers.

To access 'Packing Slips':

* first select 'Summary'

* arrow down to payments received

* select recipient and press enter

* search for 'print packing slip' and press enter.



Here you should see three buttons:



* Button 1 allows you to 'print the slip

* button 2, edit your personalised customer message

& * button 3, Done.



NVDA recognises and echos the associated text for these buttons, but simply
refuses to display them as clickable options.



Finally...

Q5. What possibly could be the underlining reason why NVDA's general key
stroke options  keeps malfunctioning on my machine, leaving me with delayed
speech recognition and no means of restarting the programme using the
standard shortcut option other than a 'hard system boot?'



Thank you in anticipation for your help in this regard.



Cordially



Philip







.


Re: New NVDA user

tina sohl <tinabir@...>
 

I also have known of NVVDA for a few years, but have or did, use the shark, jaws, as we affectionately call jaws, from 1997 til 2013. In 2009 at home, I changed to system access, which I used pretty much until a week ago at home, and due to several reasons decided a new screen reader might be good to play with. I've been using NVDA some with the other 2 on my ngow windows 10 laptop and like it, it works ok with edge, which I played with a couple nights ago. My husband just got the jaws 20 upgrade, but we won't be getting anymore ande will be using NVDA wich works as well, maybe better than the shark
Original message:

Hello folks. I’m sure other people have posted testimonials of some sort here before, but I fancy some enjoy reading such things, so here goes with mine. Feel free to ignore this message as I’m not posting for help or anything like that, though I will end with a question of sorts for the list.
I’ve been a JAWS user since, roughly, 1999. I recently got a Windows 10 machine (upgraded from XP!) and was able to get new JAWS at a discounted price from my former employer. I took advantage of the discount just before they laid me off! *grins*
Well, obviously perhaps, I’ve been spending a lot of time looking for employment since then. I recently had an interview where they needed me to do a test on a computer. They had not much idea about accommodations for blind folks but seemed very willing to give it a go. With a faint glimmer of hope, I told them about JAWS: that it was the most professional screen-reader around; that “yes, I know it’s really expensive, but there is a demo you can run for forty minutes at a time!”, etc, etc. ‘There’s also this thing called NVDA,” I muttered a little under my breath, “which is a free one; if you can’t get JAWS working, I suppose I could work with that.” I showed up to the interview, foolishly hoping my ole’ buddy the shark would save me. Nope! They couldn’t even get the demo to run, for some reason (the test computer was an old one, I think, running XP). So, NVDA it was to be!
I’ll back up a bit and say I’ve known about nVDA for quite some time. I always thought it might come in handy and that I should get it on one of my machines and start using it, but never got around to it. The closest I came was using it on my ex-wife’s laptop, mostly to play music. I still don’t like eSpeak, I’m afraid, and I used it on a Linux machine running Orca before, too. Because that laptop wasn’t mine I never really spent a lot of time with it; didn’t realise it would in fact be possible to change the synthesiser to something more to my liking.
Well, there I was, sitting in this open office, sweating profusely and feeling tense because I didn’t really know what I was doing. I managed to switch the voice to the XP narrator one, and that was reasonably ok. I found that everything worked like a charm! I only had to use three programmes at that time: notepad, MS Word and a programme for audio playback/transcription that had (thankfully) native keystroke commands. A part of the test was related to spelling and grammar, so I was able to configure NVDA, without reference to the user guide or any prior experience, to speak the level of punctuation I wanted and to indicate capital letters in a way that was convenient. There was a time limit involved, so I really wasn’t able to play around as much as I should have, yet I was very pleased that I was basically able to get everything up and working to my satisfaction.
Now I’m at home, running nVDA, and really liking it. I have no JAWS upgrades left, and that doesn’t bother me as much as I thought it would, though I’m not abandoning it altogether as I’m sure both screen-readers have their strengths.
So, I read the user guide. Great. A lot of very familiar keystrokes. Some small differences, but that’s fine and even welcome. I stumbled across the “switching from jAWS to nVDA” wiki page today and read through it; it confirmed some of what I’d already noted. I have also been looking through the add-ons on the official page and just installed the Windows 10 Essentials one. I don’t like these modern universal apps much, but, you know, may as well get used to them if they’re the up-and-coming thing, and maybe they’ll actually work better with NVDA than they do with JAWS.
What do you all think, those of you who have expereince with both screen-readers? Any thoughts that might not have been mentioned on the wiki over there? I’m not looking to start an argument, obviously, but I didn’t get a lot of feedback when I posted a similar message (without some of th e sarcasm) on the JAWS list, and I thought it might actually go over better here.
Also, what add-ons do you all like to use?
Cheers, and glad to be a part of the NVDA community.
P.S.: I didn’t get the job. That’s ok. I still learned something.


Re: Reading PDF files with NVDA using acrobat? Or a web browser?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Horses for courses really. Adobe reader DC is OK as long as the writer of the file has flagged changes in reading order, but I'm sure you are aware of the problems with picture pdfs and those who run columns together and all of that.
you might also like the pdf reader on the Webbie site, which still works on 7 and 10, and is good for those files which are pure text as its a lot less messy to use.

I cannot speak for in browser solutions, None of the ones I've used seem to work very well.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 2:31 PM
Subject: [nvda] Reading PDF files with NVDA using acrobat? Or a web browser?


I am coming from an old windows XP machine where I used an old version of Adobe acrobat with good success on many PDF files. It let me navigate tables, access links, read continuously if I wanted to, page through the document, etc. i’m going to get a new Windows 10 machine, and I’m going to put NVDA on it and of course it will have narrator. I want to know which method work the best for reading PDF files. I understand they will open in edge if you want. And I assume the Adobe DC acrobat reader or whatever it’s called is also accessible. I gather the older readers are no longer supported. Anyway, I’m looking for something that will give me the best possible experience with the least possible hassle.
Mary


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Re: NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome

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I would always turn off the previow pane in any email software as there is no real point in waiting for it to be displayed twice!
Brian

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From: "Ian Robinson" <ian228@hotmail.co.uk>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome


Hi Philip,

Navigating through a list of messages should be quicker if you turn off the Reading Pane. Sorry I can't tell you exactly how to do that as I haven't used that version of Outlook before.

Oh, and I think you might have more chance of getting answers if you put each question in a separate email.

Regards.

Ian




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Philip Anderson via Groups.Io
Sent: 01 November 2017 11:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome

Hello Clare

Thank you. I shall give your suggestion a go since I too dislike hearing line number announcements constantly.
It was the same as hearing 'Clickable' continually when browsing the web. Then I discovered through Document formatting how to disable this option. Phew

Take care and thank you once again.

Philip
!

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: 01 November 2017 11:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome

Hi!
I'm glad to hear that you like NVDA, Philip, but I'm sorry you have several problems with it.
I can't answer most of your questions, but I can say that, as far as I know, there are no special add-ons for Microsoft Office. I use Office 2007 myself, specifically Word, Excel and Outlook: the latter crashes sometimes for me, but otherwise it works well, and the only view change I made in Outlook after installing it was to have the newest emails at the bottom which I prefer. I also found that disabling the reading of tables works better for me in emails, as the body of some emails comes up as tables and I don't want to hear row and column numbers all the time while reading the text: that's my choice, though, and you may feel differently about that.
I hope other people can answer your other questions!
Bye for now!
From Clare

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Philip Anderson via Groups.Io
Sent: mercredi 1 novembre 2017 01:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome

Hi All


I am new to this group and wish to thank you for kindly accepting my membership. I am very much looking forward to meeting you and hearing your NVDA experiences.

I am really enjoying using NVDA. It is a fabulous alternative to JAWS. However, I have a few questions and wondered if you can help.

Please forgive me in advance if I have included two many questions in one email. I'm thinking most of them might simply be a case of settings; he says holding his breath... :)

Please advise if you would rather I created a separate thread for each question. Here goes...
Operating System: Windows 7 Home
MS Office 2007

Q1. Are there any NVDA add ons for MS Office 2007?

I have searched, but cannot seem to find any.

In addition, what's the best configuration settings for viewing MS office 2007 Outlook messages in table view, only I am finding response time terribly slow and crashes and programme closures frequent?
I have tried enabling 'tables' in 'settings' and selecting anything else seemingly likely to resolve the problem, but without joy.

Furthermore, I am presently encountering problems sending and replying to messages. I am having to launch the 'new message or 'reply' options twice before I can write anything that NVDA will read back to me in all edit fields from 'address, subject and body.'

* Attempt 1 merely keeps saying 'blank' whenever I type into the fields, then freezes and I am forced to exit and try again.

* Works perfectly second time round.

NVDA, Google Chrome & Ebay

Q3. Similarly, I am experiencing one or two issues revising my Ebay listings. While I am able to edit 'Product Title' and 'General Item Specifics', there seems to be compatibility issues when it comes to updating 'Price' & 'Quantities' in listings with multiple variations when 'drag and drop' is required. What do you recommend?

Q4. In Paypal, while I can generally find work arounds for most things, accessing the buttons in 'packing slips' is a problem.

A Packing slip is a consignment note businesses can print off and include in with their products they are sending out to their customers.
To access 'Packing Slips':
* first select 'Summary'
* arrow down to payments received
* select recipient and press enter
* search for 'print packing slip' and press enter.

Here you should see three buttons:

* Button 1 allows you to 'print the slip
* button 2, edit your personalised customer message
& * button 3, Done.

NVDA recognises and echos the associated text for these buttons, but simply refuses to display them as clickable options.

Finally...
Q5. What possibly could be the underlining reason why NVDA's general key stroke options keeps malfunctioning on my machine, leaving me with delayed speech recognition and no means of restarting the programme using the standard shortcut option other than a 'hard system boot?'

Thank you in anticipation for your help in this regard.

Cordially

Philip


Re: Three add-on releases: Resource Monitor, StationPlaylist Studio, Windows 10 App Essentials #addonrelease

 

Hi,
Yes.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Three add-on releases: Resource Monitor, StationPlaylist
Studio, Windows 10 App Essentials #AddonRelease

The thing is, on add ons that are going to be different fo non xp versions
will the old version still be downloadable for those running xp as the old
version of nvda will be?
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 1:08 AM
Subject: [nvda] Three add-on releases: Resource Monitor, StationPlaylist
Studio, Windows 10 App Essentials #AddonRelease


Hi everyone,



Three add-ons are seeing the light of day:



Resource Monitor 17.11:
https://github.com/josephsl/resourceMonitor/releases/tag/17.11



This version officially drops support for Windows XP.



StationPlaylist Studio add-on 17.11.1:
https://github.com/josephsl/stationPlaylist/releases/tag/17.11.1



This release fixes an issue for those using Studio 5.20/5.30 Track
Tool and pressing Control+Alt+left/right arrow keys to view columns
when a track is loaded.



Windows 10 App Essentials 17.11.1:
https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/tag/17.11



Due to changes in NVDA 2017.4, this version fixes accelerator
(shortcut0 key issue when trying to enter the add-on settings.



Cheers,

Joseph


Re: NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome

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Its a catch 22 though since we got these clickable items. You need to have a noise really, but its easy to miss that.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome


Hello Clare



Thank you. I shall give your suggestion a go since I too dislike hearing
line number announcements constantly.

It was the same as hearing 'Clickable' continually when browsing the web.
Then I discovered through Document formatting how to disable this option.
Phew



Take care and thank you once again.



Philip

!



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clare
Page
Sent: 01 November 2017 11:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome



Hi!

I'm glad to hear that you like NVDA, Philip, but I'm sorry you have several
problems with it.

I can't answer most of your questions, but I can say that, as far as I know,
there are no special add-ons for Microsoft Office. I use Office 2007 myself,
specifically Word, Excel and Outlook: the latter crashes sometimes for me,
but otherwise it works well, and the only view change I made in Outlook
after installing it was to have the newest emails at the bottom which I
prefer. I also found that disabling the reading of tables works better for
me in emails, as the body of some emails comes up as tables and I don't want
to hear row and column numbers all the time while reading the text: that's
my choice, though, and you may feel differently about that.

I hope other people can answer your other questions!

Bye for now!

From Clare



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Philip
Anderson via Groups.Io
Sent: mercredi 1 novembre 2017 01:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome



Hi All





I am new to this group and wish to thank you for kindly accepting my
membership. I am very much looking forward to meeting you and hearing your
NVDA experiences.



I am really enjoying using NVDA. It is a fabulous alternative to JAWS.
However, I have a few questions and wondered if you can help.



Please forgive me in advance if I have included two many questions in one
email. I'm thinking most of them might simply be a case of settings; he says
holding his breath... J



Please advise if you would rather I created a separate thread for each
question. Here goes...

Operating System: Windows 7 Home

MS Office 2007



Q1. Are there any NVDA add ons for MS Office 2007?



I have searched, but cannot seem to find any.



In addition, what's the best configuration settings for viewing MS office
2007 Outlook messages in table view, only I am finding response time
terribly slow and crashes and programme closures frequent?

I have tried enabling 'tables' in 'settings' and selecting anything else
seemingly likely to resolve the problem, but without joy.



Furthermore, I am presently encountering problems sending and replying to
messages. I am having to launch the 'new message or 'reply' options twice
before I can write anything that NVDA will read back to me in all edit
fields from 'address, subject and body.'



* Attempt 1 merely keeps saying 'blank' whenever I type into the fields,
then freezes and I am forced to exit and try again.



* Works perfectly second time round.



NVDA, Google Chrome & Ebay



Q3. Similarly, I am experiencing one or two issues revising my Ebay
listings. While I am able to edit 'Product Title' and 'General Item
Specifics', there seems to be compatibility issues when it comes to updating
'Price' & 'Quantities' in listings with multiple variations when 'drag and
drop' is required. What do you recommend?



Q4. In Paypal, while I can generally find work arounds for most things,
accessing the buttons in 'packing slips' is a problem.



A Packing slip is a consignment note businesses can print off and include in
with their products they are sending out to their customers.

To access 'Packing Slips':

* first select 'Summary'

* arrow down to payments received

* select recipient and press enter

* search for 'print packing slip' and press enter.



Here you should see three buttons:



* Button 1 allows you to 'print the slip

* button 2, edit your personalised customer message

& * button 3, Done.



NVDA recognises and echos the associated text for these buttons, but simply
refuses to display them as clickable options.



Finally...

Q5. What possibly could be the underlining reason why NVDA's general key
stroke options keeps malfunctioning on my machine, leaving me with delayed
speech recognition and no means of restarting the programme using the
standard shortcut option other than a 'hard system boot?'



Thank you in anticipation for your help in this regard.



Cordially



Philip






Re: NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome

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I understand that some find it crashes less with the view set as plain text not html, but then the links need to be cut and pasted instead of clicked.
I hat table views too, one company persists in sending us invoices in tables and it does my brain in, quite frankly!

Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome


Hi!

I'm glad to hear that you like NVDA, Philip, but I'm sorry you have several
problems with it.

I can't answer most of your questions, but I can say that, as far as I know,
there are no special add-ons for Microsoft Office. I use Office 2007 myself,
specifically Word, Excel and Outlook: the latter crashes sometimes for me,
but otherwise it works well, and the only view change I made in Outlook
after installing it was to have the newest emails at the bottom which I
prefer. I also found that disabling the reading of tables works better for
me in emails, as the body of some emails comes up as tables and I don't want
to hear row and column numbers all the time while reading the text: that's
my choice, though, and you may feel differently about that.

I hope other people can answer your other questions!

Bye for now!

From Clare



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Sent: mercredi 1 novembre 2017 01:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome



Hi All





I am new to this group and wish to thank you for kindly accepting my
membership. I am very much looking forward to meeting you and hearing your
NVDA experiences.



I am really enjoying using NVDA. It is a fabulous alternative to JAWS.
However, I have a few questions and wondered if you can help.



Please forgive me in advance if I have included two many questions in one
email. I'm thinking most of them might simply be a case of settings; he says
holding his breath... J



Please advise if you would rather I created a separate thread for each
question. Here goes...

Operating System: Windows 7 Home

MS Office 2007



Q1. Are there any NVDA add ons for MS Office 2007?



I have searched, but cannot seem to find any.



In addition, what's the best configuration settings for viewing MS office
2007 Outlook messages in table view, only I am finding response time
terribly slow and crashes and programme closures frequent?

I have tried enabling 'tables' in 'settings' and selecting anything else
seemingly likely to resolve the problem, but without joy.



Furthermore, I am presently encountering problems sending and replying to
messages. I am having to launch the 'new message or 'reply' options twice
before I can write anything that NVDA will read back to me in all edit
fields from 'address, subject and body.'



* Attempt 1 merely keeps saying 'blank' whenever I type into the fields,
then freezes and I am forced to exit and try again.



* Works perfectly second time round.



NVDA, Google Chrome & Ebay



Q3. Similarly, I am experiencing one or two issues revising my Ebay
listings. While I am able to edit 'Product Title' and 'General Item
Specifics', there seems to be compatibility issues when it comes to updating
'Price' & 'Quantities' in listings with multiple variations when 'drag and
drop' is required. What do you recommend?



Q4. In Paypal, while I can generally find work arounds for most things,
accessing the buttons in 'packing slips' is a problem.



A Packing slip is a consignment note businesses can print off and include in
with their products they are sending out to their customers.

To access 'Packing Slips':

* first select 'Summary'

* arrow down to payments received

* select recipient and press enter

* search for 'print packing slip' and press enter.



Here you should see three buttons:



* Button 1 allows you to 'print the slip

* button 2, edit your personalised customer message

& * button 3, Done.



NVDA recognises and echos the associated text for these buttons, but simply
refuses to display them as clickable options.



Finally...

Q5. What possibly could be the underlining reason why NVDA's general key
stroke options keeps malfunctioning on my machine, leaving me with delayed
speech recognition and no means of restarting the programme using the
standard shortcut option other than a 'hard system boot?'



Thank you in anticipation for your help in this regard.



Cordially



Philip






Re: Accessing NVDA Menu

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I seem to recall she said she had set it for caps lock which was the problem.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessing NVDA Menu


Its the NVDA key+N, that is N for November
Or in your case hold down the caps lock key and press the N key together


From: Andrea Sherry
Sent: 31 October 2017 22:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Accessing NVDA Menu

Using the capslock with NVDA key no longer works on my system.

Is anyone else having this problem?

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Re: Updated In-Process

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I think a lot of people in the west assume that everyone knows such things. Its a weird combination of holy day, some pagan bad spirits day and commercial companies hi jacking it all to make money, IE the sell things to dress up as monsters spirits and sundry other nasty looking things and then sell everyone pumpkins which they then destroy to put candles in and not eat. They then force everyone to buy sweets and candy to give out to children who come to doors demanding them on the evening of the 31st October and if they don't get one they play some stupid practical joke on you.
I know it sounds mad, and indeed it probably is, but probably harmless in the long run.

If an alien came down and visited the US on Halloween they would go back totally confused.
grin.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated In-Process


hello quentin.
did you read my comment in your previous email?
i opened the link without any problem, you did not tell me whats the
meaning of Halloween
God bless you and his infinite mercy i pray for you!!

On 11/1/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi everyone,

I'm not sure what happened with my link in the last message, but here is an
updated link to an updated post - I've included links to some of the
fantastic community contributions we got for Halloween! Feel free to join
in and I'll update the post again as needed:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-halloween-2017-edition/

Kind regards

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Re: Three add-on releases: Resource Monitor, StationPlaylist Studio, Windows 10 App Essentials #addonrelease

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The thing is, on add ons that are going to be different fo non xp versions will the old version still be downloadable for those running xp as the old version of nvda will be?
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Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 1:08 AM
Subject: [nvda] Three add-on releases: Resource Monitor, StationPlaylist Studio, Windows 10 App Essentials #AddonRelease


Hi everyone,



Three add-ons are seeing the light of day:



Resource Monitor 17.11:
https://github.com/josephsl/resourceMonitor/releases/tag/17.11



This version officially drops support for Windows XP.



StationPlaylist Studio add-on 17.11.1:
https://github.com/josephsl/stationPlaylist/releases/tag/17.11.1



This release fixes an issue for those using Studio 5.20/5.30 Track Tool and
pressing Control+Alt+left/right arrow keys to view columns when a track is
loaded.



Windows 10 App Essentials 17.11.1:
https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/tag/17.11



Due to changes in NVDA 2017.4, this version fixes accelerator (shortcut0 key
issue when trying to enter the add-on settings.



Cheers,

Joseph


Re: NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome

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What sort of spec does the machine have. Delays tend to be due to two things for me. One is slow or badly set up hardware, or secondly a laptop throttling the speed back and not going to fast speed fast enough. The thing is that often in the advanced power settings in windows, they tend to throttle back things and windows is notoriously bad aat realising it needs to speed up. At the expence of some battery life you can up the idle speed to over 50 percent and it improves things like echoing typing, scrolling down explorer lists etc. I'm afraid I do not know about Chrome as I do not use it. Most of my machines now have Firefox 55 or earlier on them.
Outlook seems to be causing a lot of people running all sorts of different versions erratic results on windows 7 and 10, and I don't use it either. Most tend to use Thuunderbird or pay for the old tweaked version of Outlook express and live mail if they can find it.


I'm still using Word 2002 and 2003 here with few problems, Both were notorious for random crashes, and this is still true, but at least it normally manages to save your work and offer to restore it!

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 12:04 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome


Hi All





I am new to this group and wish to thank you for kindly accepting my
membership. I am very much looking forward to meeting you and hearing your
NVDA experiences.



I am really enjoying using NVDA. It is a fabulous alternative to JAWS.
However, I have a few questions and wondered if you can help.



Please forgive me in advance if I have included two many questions in one
email. I'm thinking most of them might simply be a case of settings; he says
holding his breath... J



Please advise if you would rather I created a separate thread for each
question. Here goes...

Operating System: Windows 7 Home

MS Office 2007



Q1. Are there any NVDA add ons for MS Office 2007?



I have searched, but cannot seem to find any.



In addition, what's the best configuration settings for viewing MS office
2007 Outlook messages in table view, only I am finding response time
terribly slow and crashes and programme closures frequent?

I have tried enabling 'tables' in 'settings' and selecting anything else
seemingly likely to resolve the problem, but without joy.



Furthermore, I am presently encountering problems sending and replying to
messages. I am having to launch the 'new message or 'reply' options twice
before I can write anything that NVDA will read back to me in all edit
fields from 'address, subject and body.'



* Attempt 1 merely keeps saying 'blank' whenever I type into the fields,
then freezes and I am forced to exit and try again.



* Works perfectly second time round.



NVDA, Google Chrome & Ebay



Q3. Similarly, I am experiencing one or two issues revising my Ebay
listings. While I am able to edit 'Product Title' and 'General Item
Specifics', there seems to be compatibility issues when it comes to updating
'Price' & 'Quantities' in listings with multiple variations when 'drag and
drop' is required. What do you recommend?



Q4. In Paypal, while I can generally find work arounds for most things,
accessing the buttons in 'packing slips' is a problem.



A Packing slip is a consignment note businesses can print off and include in
with their products they are sending out to their customers.

To access 'Packing Slips':

* first select 'Summary'

* arrow down to payments received

* select recipient and press enter

* search for 'print packing slip' and press enter.



Here you should see three buttons:



* Button 1 allows you to 'print the slip

* button 2, edit your personalised customer message

& * button 3, Done.



NVDA recognises and echos the associated text for these buttons, but simply
refuses to display them as clickable options.



Finally...

Q5. What possibly could be the underlining reason why NVDA's general key
stroke options keeps malfunctioning on my machine, leaving me with delayed
speech recognition and no means of restarting the programme using the
standard shortcut option other than a 'hard system boot?'



Thank you in anticipation for your help in this regard.



Cordially



Philip




Re: NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome

Philip Anderson
 

Thank you, Ian; I shall take a look and see if I can’t locate it.

 

Philip

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ian Robinson
Sent: 01 November 2017 13:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome

 

Hi Philip,

 

Navigating through a list of messages should be quicker if you turn off the Reading Pane.  Sorry I can’t tell you exactly how to do that as I haven’t used that version of Outlook before.

 

Oh, and I think you might have more chance of getting answers if you put each question in a separate email.

 

Regards.

 

Ian

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Philip Anderson via Groups.Io
Sent: 01 November 2017 11:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome

 

Hello Clare

 

Thank you. I shall give your suggestion a go since I too dislike hearing line number announcements constantly.

It was the same as hearing ‘Clickable’ continually when browsing the web. Then I discovered through Document formatting how to disable this option. Phew

 

Take care and thank you once again.

 

Philip

!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: 01 November 2017 11:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome

 

Hi!

I’m glad to hear that you like NVDA, Philip, but I’m sorry you have several problems with it.

I can’t answer most of your questions, but I can say that, as far as I know, there are no special add-ons for Microsoft Office. I use Office 2007 myself, specifically Word, Excel and Outlook: the latter crashes sometimes for me, but otherwise it works well, and the only view change I made in Outlook after installing it was to have the newest emails at the bottom which I prefer. I also found that disabling the reading of tables works better for me in emails, as the body of some emails comes up as tables and I don’t want to hear row and column numbers all the time while reading the text: that’s my choice, though, and you may feel differently about that.

I hope other people can answer your other questions!

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Philip Anderson via Groups.Io
Sent: mercredi 1 novembre 2017 01:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA, MS Office 2007 & Google Chrome

 

Hi All

 

 

I am new to this group and wish to thank you for kindly accepting my membership. I am very much looking forward to meeting you and hearing your NVDA experiences.

 

I am really enjoying using NVDA. It is a fabulous alternative to JAWS. However, I have a few questions and wondered if you can help.

 

Please forgive me in advance if I have included two many questions in one email. I’m thinking most of them might simply be a case of settings; he says holding his breath... J

 

Please advise if you would rather I created a separate thread for each question. Here goes...

Operating System: Windows 7 Home

MS Office 2007

 

Q1. Are there any NVDA add ons for MS Office 2007?

 

I have searched, but cannot seem to find any.

 

In addition, what's the best configuration settings for viewing MS office 2007 Outlook messages in table view, only I am finding response time terribly slow and crashes and programme closures frequent?

I have tried enabling 'tables' in 'settings' and selecting anything else seemingly likely to resolve the problem, but without joy.

 

Furthermore, I am presently encountering problems sending and replying to messages. I am having to launch the 'new message or 'reply' options twice before I can write anything that NVDA will read back to me in all edit fields from 'address, subject and body.'

 

* Attempt 1 merely keeps saying 'blank' whenever I type into the fields, then freezes and I am forced to exit and try again.

 

* Works perfectly second time round.

 

NVDA, Google Chrome & Ebay

 

Q3. Similarly, I am experiencing one or two issues revising my Ebay listings. While I am able to edit 'Product Title' and 'General Item Specifics', there seems to be compatibility issues when it comes to updating 'Price' & 'Quantities' in listings with multiple variations when 'drag and drop' is required. What do you recommend?

 

Q4. In Paypal, while I can generally find work arounds for most things, accessing the buttons in 'packing slips' is a problem.

 

A Packing slip is a consignment note businesses can print off and include in with their products they are sending out to their customers.

To access 'Packing Slips':

* first select 'Summary'

* arrow down to payments received

* select recipient and press enter

* search for 'print packing slip' and press enter.

 

Here you should see three buttons:

 

* Button 1 allows you to 'print the slip

* button 2, edit your personalised customer message

& * button 3, Done.

 

NVDA recognises and echos the associated text for these buttons, but simply refuses to display them as clickable options.

 

Finally...

Q5. What possibly could be the underlining reason why NVDA's general key stroke options  keeps malfunctioning on my machine, leaving me with delayed speech recognition and no means of restarting the programme using the standard shortcut option other than a 'hard system boot?' 

 

Thank you in anticipation for your help in this regard.

 

Cordially

 

Philip

 


Re: Accessing NVDA Menu

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It is if you have the capslock selected as well.
Back in the bad old Days I used to have a very lame Toshiba xop machine that would not use capslok as anything but capslock, but that was due to the non standard way the keyboard was read. I don't think anyone does this kind of thing these days.
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Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessing NVDA Menu


That's not the keyboard shortcut; try the NVDA key with the letter N,
or the caps lock key with the letter n.

Laz

On 10/31/17, Andrea Sherry <sherryan@wideband.net.au> wrote:
Using the capslock with NVDA key no longer works on my system.

Is anyone else having this problem?

Andrea

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Re: Accessing NVDA Menu

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Does anything else use that key that you might have installed recently?
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Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessing NVDA Menu


Yes it is.
Andrea
On 1/11/2017 9:38 AM, Gene wrote:
Is that even with the check box checked?
Gene
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*Subject:* [nvda] Accessing NVDA Menu

Using the capslock with NVDA key no longer works on my system.

Is anyone else having this problem?

Andrea

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Re: no numpad

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Caps lock?
However it will be quite difficult if numlock is on when you use the fn key to use the keys as a numpad. Some ppeople say they do not miss the numpad, but when I get a laptop where I'm needing to use it the multi key presses give me hand ache.
Of course in the main if you use the laptop layout you will be fine but sometimes turning on numlock and using a keypatd for erm numbers can be much faster.
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Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 8:52 PM
Subject: [nvda] no numpad


Hi!

A friend just got a new laptop. It’s an HP slim line. It’s a windows 10. She installed NVDA on the machine and nobody can find the numlock key. She had her mother look and it doesn’t have one. Apparently some don’t have the numpad or the numlock. Very different. I’ve never heard of or seen a keyboard without the numpad and the numlock. So, here’s the question: What do you use for the NVDA key?

Thanks so much in advance for your help.


Re: New NVDA user

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Well, I have to say that I've never used Jaws, I had Supernova before, but when I completely lost my sight, I did not really need all the magnification stuff and as you say things start to get expensive when Windows is being updated all the time. Up until recently I had two working machines one on 7, this newish one, and an old updated to death one running 10. sadly that latter one died and is beyond salvage having fried its motherboard with a psu fault.
So I'm using 7 and will not update to 10, mainly due to what you say, all those apps but they are all one offs and need to be made accessible, but I will get a new windows 10 machine soon.
Nvda is great for several reasons. You can run betas and you can ask people who know about this stuff to see if they can fix issues and they get fixed. Also, when or if something des go awry, you can very easily roll back nvda so you can carry on as before. this r4ecently happened for XP as you will probably know the last version was the last to run on XP, and is being kept available as there are as you proved old system still out there. Of course no new software is being made for xp, so the current screenreader will be all you really need on such machines.


I never felt I got this amount of involvement from Dolphin, despite being a paying customer, that is not of course being too critical as they much have a lot more people breathing down their necks over there.

I do however try to donate to NV Access every time a new version comes out. sometimes its quite a lot, others not so much. I am now a pensioner, after all!
Leans on old walking stick, well not quite yet!
So yes, nothing is perfect, as you say Espeak is a bit of a jack of all trades and hence does have some problems, but its even quite easy to tweak and create different voices in Espeak, Quincy is one I made for laptop use, as its not as shrill as the other ones or indeed the default voice. It has never been good at US accents, sounding like a cross between posh New England and Canadian to me.
But in the UK here I find it acceptable.
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Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 6:21 PM
Subject: [nvda] New NVDA user


Hello folks. I'm sure other people have posted testimonials of some sort
here before, but I fancy some enjoy reading such things, so here goes with
mine. Feel free to ignore this message as I'm not posting for help or
anything like that, though I will end with a question of sorts for the list.



I've been a JAWS user since, roughly, 1999. I recently got a Windows 10
machine (upgraded from XP!) and was able to get new JAWS at a discounted
price from my former employer. I took advantage of the discount just before
they laid me off! *grins*



Well, obviously perhaps, I've been spending a lot of time looking for
employment since then. I recently had an interview where they needed me to
do a test on a computer. They had not much idea about accommodations for
blind folks but seemed very willing to give it a go. With a faint glimmer of
hope, I told them about JAWS: that it was the most professional
screen-reader around; that "yes, I know it's really expensive, but there is
a demo you can run for forty minutes at a time!", etc, etc. 'There's also
this thing called NVDA," I muttered a little under my breath, "which is a
free one; if you can't get JAWS working, I suppose I could work with that."
I showed up to the interview, foolishly hoping my ole' buddy the shark would
save me. Nope! They couldn't even get the demo to run, for some reason (the
test computer was an old one, I think, running XP). So, NVDA it was to be!



I'll back up a bit and say I've known about nVDA for quite some time. I
always thought it might come in handy and that I should get it on one of my
machines and start using it, but never got around to it. The closest I came
was using it on my ex-wife's laptop, mostly to play music. I still don't
like eSpeak, I'm afraid, and I used it on a Linux machine running Orca
before, too. Because that laptop wasn't mine I never really spent a lot of
time with it; didn't realise it would in fact be possible to change the
synthesiser to something more to my liking.



Well, there I was, sitting in this open office, sweating profusely and
feeling tense because I didn't really know what I was doing. I managed to
switch the voice to the XP narrator one, and that was reasonably ok. I found
that everything worked like a charm! I only had to use three programmes at
that time: notepad, MS Word and a programme for audio playback/transcription
that had (thankfully) native keystroke commands. A part of the test was
related to spelling and grammar, so I was able to configure NVDA, without
reference to the user guide or any prior experience, to speak the level of
punctuation I wanted and to indicate capital letters in a way that was
convenient. There was a time limit involved, so I really wasn't able to play
around as much as I should have, yet I was very pleased that I was basically
able to get everything up and working to my satisfaction.



Now I'm at home, running nVDA, and really liking it. I have no JAWS upgrades
left, and that doesn't bother me as much as I thought it would, though I'm
not abandoning it altogether as I'm sure both screen-readers have their
strengths.



So, I read the user guide. Great. A lot of very familiar keystrokes. Some
small differences, but that's fine and even welcome. I stumbled across the
"switching from jAWS to nVDA" wiki page today and read through it; it
confirmed some of what I'd already noted. I have also been looking through
the add-ons on the official page and just installed the Windows 10
Essentials one. I don't like these modern universal apps much, but, you
know, may as well get used to them if they're the up-and-coming thing, and
maybe they'll actually work better with NVDA than they do with JAWS.



What do you all think, those of you who have expereince with both
screen-readers? Any thoughts that might not have been mentioned on the wiki
over there? I'm not looking to start an argument, obviously, but I didn't
get a lot of feedback when I posted a similar message (without some of th e
sarcasm) on the JAWS list, and I thought it might actually go over better
here.



Also, what add-ons do you all like to use?



Cheers, and glad to be a part of the NVDA community.



P.S.: I didn't get the job. That's ok. I still learned something.


Re: Reading PDF files with NVDA using acrobat? Or a web browser?

Mary Otten <motten53@...>
 

So you are referring to the acrobat DC reader? I guess there is only one reader now? Just wanting to make sure I don’t get anything more complex then I need to have.
Mary


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On Nov 1, 2017, at 8:03 AM, Domingos de Oliveira via Groups.Io <domingos20000=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Adobe Reader will tag the document automatically. When you start the programm first time, it will recognize that you are using assistive technology. You will then have to configure the Auto tagging function. When you open a document, the reader will insert the tags. After a few mintues, depends on the size of the document you can start to read. This procedure is not necessary for accessible or taged documents, but these docs are very rare.


Am 01.11.2017 um 15:31 schrieb Mary Otten:
I am coming from an old windows XP machine where I used an old version of Adobe acrobat with good success on many PDF files. It let me navigate tables, access links, read continuously if I wanted to, page through the document, etc. i’m going to get a new Windows 10 machine, and I’m going to put NVDA on it and of course it will have narrator. I want to know which method work the best for reading PDF files. I understand they will open in edge if you want. And I assume the Adobe DC acrobat reader or whatever it’s called is also accessible. I gather the older readers are no longer supported. Anyway, I’m looking for something that will give me the best possible experience with the least possible hassle.
Mary


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Re: fixing error message?

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Maybe it is using the same dll to hook into the system and when its inactive it does not remove its hooks and nvda thus cannot cope??
Its really a question for somebody who knows the low level stuff of both screenreaders.
Might be worth reporting it to the Jaws and nvda relevent lists in case its easy to fix.

Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] fixing error message?


I uninstalled nvda, removed all freedom scientific products
I then re installed nvda, and jaws 18 and thus far it appears to be fixed.
at this point I am not going to touch jaws 2018
at least on windows7
I have no idea what was going on with it but from what I can determan jaws2018
seems to be the colprate
any idea why jaws 2018 breaks nvda?
Hank

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I thought I read he was using Windows 7, and the error could be due to so many things of course. often rolling back only works till the offending update is reinstalled by whatever put it on before, so it will pay in the long run to attempt to pin it down I think.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
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Its unfortunate that so many people either turn off system restore or never check to make sure if its on. it's one thing if people have another way to revert the machine such as disk images or a program like Roll Back. But it's a bad idea not to have System Restore on if you aren't using any reversion program.

You said you registered the files but are you sure they are still there in the first place? Did you check to see if there is anything to register? In Windows 10, as I understand it, you can reload Windows and keep all your programs installed. I don't know anything about that option but I've seen discussions that it is available. My impression is that it places a clean version of
Windows on your machine but keeps everything from the old installation that is necessary to run your already installed programs including the old programs. Others who know more about all this may wish to comment. But I would strongly urge anyone who isn't using another reversion program to make sure system restore is on. I don't know how many times I've seen instances when System Restore would be likely or very likely to quickly solve a problem but it isn't available.

Another option may be System File Checker but I don't know enough about that option to discuss it. Perhaps someone else will.
Gene
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From: The Wolf
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 4:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] fixing error message?


Hello I reregistered the dlls and tried to get nvda up and running still
same problem

I can't do a system restore I forgot I turned it off a long time ago

can any one suggest anything else?

I don't want to reload windows unless I have to

really need to get this issue resolved







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