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Re: alphanumeric strings as phonetics?
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Could it just be looking at words with caps inside the word other than at the start?
I'd still expect a lag though, unless it had already built up an index of such things in the document being read first which would delay the start of reading.
Goodness knows what it would make of nvda Python logs and code then! Grin
Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <ve3rwj@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2022 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] alphanumeric strings as phonetics?
So, if I'm understanding you correctly, you want NVDA to detect that it has an unpronounceable alphanumeric string when it's doing a say all and, when such is encountered, say it phonetically?
Yes. That would be ideal.
It's not that something like this couldn't be done, but it does require quite a bit of overhead as each "word" would need to be analyzed as to whether it was an alphanumeric string in realtime, which is a non-trivial and resource intensive task (relatively speaking) since there is no way to predict where such might occur in a text. Does the JAWS feature do this during a Say All?
Yep, I just tried it.
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Re: A weird case that kills NVDA
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I've noticed in more than one mail client some synths do stop working when you find somebody has made the from or subject line look the same but used some oddball selection of character set which you can often see by looking at the headers of the message.
Sounds like a bug in the synth to me, as most may say junk or go silent on the word but then come back again. I imagine spammers do it to try to get around filters looking for specific strings to identify spam, which is of course what you did, but do be careful, since congrat could be part of a work in a wanted message. Also the person sending such stuff will, I have no doubt find another word to use to get his or her spam though.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Christo de Klerk" <christodeklerk@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2022 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] A weird case that kills NVDA I am using the SAPI version of Vocalizer, the South African English voice, Tessa. Yes, it is quite possible that Tessa is getting choked up, not NVDA as such. I'll give your suggestion a go some time.
Kind regards
Christo
On 2022/07/02 01:33pm, Gene wrote:
I don't know why having the string in that particular place causes a problem. Perhaps there are no spaces and when you write it elsewhere, you have spaces before and after it. What synthesizer are you using? It is most likely that the string causes the synthesizer to crash. If you are curious enough, you can disable the rule and look at a message using a different synthesizer.
Gene
On 7/2/2022 4:45 AM, Christo de Klerk wrote:
Hello all
Here is some weirdness that I will try to describe in some detail. When this happens, it kills speech from NVDA, but the computer is not frozen. If you give the Ctrl+Alt+n command, you hear the NVDA startup sound and it comes back. You do not get the NVDA shutdown sound. Here is what seems to be the cause and how I worked around it:
I am using Thunderbird as my email client. The columns in my inbox are set up to show attachments first (if any), followed by From, followed by Subject. As I have been doing email, every now and then I lost all speech and had to restart NVDA, just for it to die again when I got to a particular message. I used Narrator to figure out what the offending message header was and saw that in the From column,it showed "_Congrat_" and nothing in the Subject column, obviously some spam or malware kind of message. I then set up a rule to scan for the string "-Congrat" in the From, To, or Subject fields and to delete such a message. That seems to have worked around the problem.
I have no idea why this causes NVDA to go quiet on me, because having the offending text string in my message does not have any negative effect.
Kind regards
Christo
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Re: New Thunderbird Version 102.0 Issues
Gene and all,
I am using nvda 2022.1, thunderbird 102, Mozilla Apps Enhancements 1.16
If I open the addressbook, say pressing ctrl shift b,
nvda immediately focus onto the search field.
If I type something like nvda, then I press two taps I can browse all the match search results by moving up or down arrow.
<fjavids@...>
Gene 於 3/7/2022 13:47 寫道:
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Here is more information:
It appears what I did working with the address book had no bearing on the add-on working.
I'm running Thunderbird Portable so I updated an old version and tried working with the add-on in the newly updated version. The add-on worked, even though I hadn't done what I did in the address book in the version I updated earlier.
I hope others discuss whether the add-on works if they update. I don't know if the add-on generally works or not and if people are going to ask that it be modified to work with the new version, we need to know if the modification is necessary.
Gene
On 7/2/2022 7:10 PM, Gene wrote:
Here is an odd thing. The NVDA Mozilla apps enhancements didn't work when I first tried it in the new version. I tried it again a little later and now it does. I was playing with the address book search, and I have no idea if that changed anything regarding the layout but it works for now, at least for now, I don't know if it will continue to work.
Gene
On 7/2/2022 6:58 PM, Gene wrote:
If you want to look down the list of addresses, if you turn browse mode off in the address book and tab to the list, you can up and down arrow in it and it will appear as a standard list. There is no first letter navigation.
Autocomplete works as before in e-mail messages. I haven't played with the search address book feature to any extent and I'm not sure I understand it yet.
Gene
On 7/2/2022 6:50 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
Here, below my signature, is the page that comes up in Thunderbird the first time it runs after the update. As you will see, the header layout has been changed, which assumedly, accounts for the NVDA Mozilla enhancements no longer working.
If people aren't aware of this, you can set Thunderbird not to update automatically and to inform you when updates are available.
Gene
New in Thunderbird 102
This article describes some of the major changes visible to users in Thunderbird version 102. Full details of all the changes can be found in the Thunderbird release notes from 102.0 and up.
Thunderbird is both free and freedom respecting, but we’re also completely funded by donations! Help us sustain the project and continue to improve.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new system dark mode.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new message header.
MESSAGE HEADER REDESIGN
Thunderbird 102 helps you be more productive with less effort. When reading your email, the redesigned message header allows you to focus on what matters as it highlights important information. It’s also more responsive and easier to navigate. Plus, you can star important messages from the message header itself, and easily convert them into a calendar event or a task.
NEW ADDRESS BOOK
Thunderbird 102 gives your contacts a serious upgrade! The refreshed design makes it easier to navigate and interact with your contacts, and helps you better understand who you’re communicating with. The new Address Book has compatibility with vCard specs, meaning if your app can export your existing contacts into vCard format, Thunderbird can import them. Each contact card also acts as a launchpad for messaging, email, and event creation.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new addressbook.
Screenshot of the new import and export wizards in Thunderbird.
NEW IMPORT/EXPORT WIZARD
Thunderbird 102 makes it quick and simple to move your accounts and data around. The new step-by-step wizard provides a guided experience for importing all that data that’s important to you. We’ve also taken extra precautions to ensure that no data is accidentally duplicated in your profile after an import. Moving from Outlook, SeaMonkey, or another Thunderbird installation is easier than ever. No add-ons required!
NEW SPACES TOOLBAR
Thunderbird 102 makes navigating the application more intuitive thanks to the the new Spaces Toolbar. Move between all of your activities with ease, whether it’s managing email, working with contacts through the awesome new address book, using the calendar and tasks functionality, chat, and even add-ons! If you want to save screen real estate, the Spaces Toolbar can be dismissed, and you can instead navigate the different activities Thunderbird offers with the new Pinned Spaces tab.
Screenshot showing the new matrix chat in Thunderbird.
Screenshot of the new spaces toolbar in Thunderbird.
NEW MATRIX CHAT SUPPORT
Thunderbird 102 offers a new way to chat privately and securely with your colleagues, friends, and family. We’ve added support for the open-source, decentralized chat protocol Matrix, and it’s usable right out of the box! (As always, we welcome your feedback since it’s an evolving service.)
OTHER NOTABLE CHANGES
There are many other big changes that make Thunderbird 102 a very large release including:
• New Icons and Default Folder Colors
• Use Thunderbird without an email account (for example, as an RSS reader)
• Numerous OpenPGP improvements
• CalendarLocal parser converted to javascript
• Today Pane calendar UI refresh
• POP3 implemented in javascript
• Account settings moved to macOS application menu
• Plus: Application-wide font size control, Theme fixes, FileLink fixes, Accessibility fixes, improved vCard integration, improved calendar startup performance, Calendar fixes including correct order of week view headers and days for right to left locales.
You can see details of all our changes in the release notes for Thunderbird 102.0 and up.
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Re: New Thunderbird Version 102.0 Issues
Here is more information:
It appears what I did working with the address book had no bearing on the add-on working.
I'm running Thunderbird Portable so I updated an old version and tried working with the add-on in the newly updated version. The add-on worked, even though I hadn't done what I did in the address book in the version I updated earlier.
I hope others discuss whether the add-on works if they update. I don't know if the add-on generally works or not and if people are going to ask that it be modified to work with the new version, we need to know if the modification is necessary.
Gene
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 7/2/2022 7:10 PM, Gene wrote: Here is an odd thing. The NVDA Mozilla apps enhancements didn't work when I first tried it in the new version. I tried it again a little later and now it does. I was playing with the address book search, and I have no idea if that changed anything regarding the layout but it works for now, at least for now, I don't know if it will continue to work.
Gene
On 7/2/2022 6:58 PM, Gene wrote:
If you want to look down the list of addresses, if you turn browse mode off in the address book and tab to the list, you can up and down arrow in it and it will appear as a standard list. There is no first letter navigation.
Autocomplete works as before in e-mail messages. I haven't played with the search address book feature to any extent and I'm not sure I understand it yet.
Gene
On 7/2/2022 6:50 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
Here, below my signature, is the page that comes up in Thunderbird the first time it runs after the update. As you will see, the header layout has been changed, which assumedly, accounts for the NVDA Mozilla enhancements no longer working.
If people aren't aware of this, you can set Thunderbird not to update automatically and to inform you when updates are available.
Gene
New in Thunderbird 102
This article describes some of the major changes visible to users in Thunderbird version 102. Full details of all the changes can be found in the Thunderbird release notes from 102.0 and up.
Thunderbird is both free and freedom respecting, but we’re also completely funded by donations! Help us sustain the project and continue to improve.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new system dark mode.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new message header.
MESSAGE HEADER REDESIGN
Thunderbird 102 helps you be more productive with less effort. When reading your email, the redesigned message header allows you to focus on what matters as it highlights important information. It’s also more responsive and easier to navigate. Plus, you can star important messages from the message header itself, and easily convert them into a calendar event or a task.
NEW ADDRESS BOOK
Thunderbird 102 gives your contacts a serious upgrade! The refreshed design makes it easier to navigate and interact with your contacts, and helps you better understand who you’re communicating with. The new Address Book has compatibility with vCard specs, meaning if your app can export your existing contacts into vCard format, Thunderbird can import them. Each contact card also acts as a launchpad for messaging, email, and event creation.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new addressbook.
Screenshot of the new import and export wizards in Thunderbird.
NEW IMPORT/EXPORT WIZARD
Thunderbird 102 makes it quick and simple to move your accounts and data around. The new step-by-step wizard provides a guided experience for importing all that data that’s important to you. We’ve also taken extra precautions to ensure that no data is accidentally duplicated in your profile after an import. Moving from Outlook, SeaMonkey, or another Thunderbird installation is easier than ever. No add-ons required!
NEW SPACES TOOLBAR
Thunderbird 102 makes navigating the application more intuitive thanks to the the new Spaces Toolbar. Move between all of your activities with ease, whether it’s managing email, working with contacts through the awesome new address book, using the calendar and tasks functionality, chat, and even add-ons! If you want to save screen real estate, the Spaces Toolbar can be dismissed, and you can instead navigate the different activities Thunderbird offers with the new Pinned Spaces tab.
Screenshot showing the new matrix chat in Thunderbird.
Screenshot of the new spaces toolbar in Thunderbird.
NEW MATRIX CHAT SUPPORT
Thunderbird 102 offers a new way to chat privately and securely with your colleagues, friends, and family. We’ve added support for the open-source, decentralized chat protocol Matrix, and it’s usable right out of the box! (As always, we welcome your feedback since it’s an evolving service.)
OTHER NOTABLE CHANGES
There are many other big changes that make Thunderbird 102 a very large release including:
• New Icons and Default Folder Colors
• Use Thunderbird without an email account (for example, as an RSS reader)
• Numerous OpenPGP improvements
• CalendarLocal parser converted to javascript
• Today Pane calendar UI refresh
• POP3 implemented in javascript
• Account settings moved to macOS application menu
• Plus: Application-wide font size control, Theme fixes, FileLink fixes, Accessibility fixes, improved vCard integration, improved calendar startup performance, Calendar fixes including correct order of week view headers and days for right to left locales.
You can see details of all our changes in the release notes for Thunderbird 102.0 and up.
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Re: New Thunderbird Version 102.0 Issues
I just wrote different things in the search dialog, tabbed to the
list, and down arrowed through the results. I don't see why playing
with the address book would cause any change and I don't know if it
did.
You could try maximizing the window or normalizing it, whatever is
the opposite of what it is now, but I didn't do that.
Gene
On 7/2/2022 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi
Gene,
I still can't get it to work. I even restarted the system and
still no go.
What did you change in the settings in address book or program
that seemed to get it to work?
On 7/2/2022 8:10 PM, Gene wrote:
Here is an odd thing. The NVDA Mozilla
apps enhancements didn't work when I first tried it in the new
version. I tried it again a little later and now it does. I
was playing with the address book search, and I have no idea if
that changed anything regarding the layout but it works for now,
at least for now, I don't know if it will continue to work.
Gene
On 7/2/2022 6:58 PM, Gene wrote:
If you want to look down the list of
addresses, if you turn browse mode off in the address book and
tab to the list, you can up and down arrow in it and it will
appear as a standard list. There is no first letter
navigation.
Autocomplete works as before in e-mail messages. I haven't
played with the search address book feature to any extent and
I'm not sure I understand it yet.
Gene
On 7/2/2022 6:50 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
Here, below my signature, is the page
that comes up in Thunderbird the first time it runs after
the update. As you will see, the header layout has been
changed, which assumedly, accounts for the NVDA Mozilla
enhancements no longer working.
If people aren't aware of this, you can set Thunderbird not
to update automatically and to inform you when updates are
available.
Gene
New in Thunderbird 102
This article describes some of the major changes visible to
users in Thunderbird version 102. Full details of all the
changes can be found in the Thunderbird release notes from
102.0 and up.
Thunderbird is both free and freedom respecting, but we’re
also completely funded by donations! Help us sustain the
project and continue to improve.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new system dark mode.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new message header.
MESSAGE HEADER REDESIGN
Thunderbird 102 helps you be more productive with less
effort. When reading your email, the redesigned message
header allows you to focus on what matters as it highlights
important information. It’s also more responsive and easier
to navigate. Plus, you can star important messages from the
message header itself, and easily convert them into a
calendar event or a task.
NEW ADDRESS BOOK
Thunderbird 102 gives your contacts a serious upgrade! The
refreshed design makes it easier to navigate and interact
with your contacts, and helps you better understand who
you’re communicating with. The new Address Book has
compatibility with vCard specs, meaning if your app can
export your existing contacts into vCard format, Thunderbird
can import them. Each contact card also acts as a launchpad
for messaging, email, and event creation.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new addressbook.
Screenshot of the new import and export wizards in
Thunderbird.
NEW IMPORT/EXPORT WIZARD
Thunderbird 102 makes it quick and simple to move your
accounts and data around. The new step-by-step wizard
provides a guided experience for importing all that data
that’s important to you. We’ve also taken extra precautions
to ensure that no data is accidentally duplicated in your
profile after an import. Moving from Outlook, SeaMonkey, or
another Thunderbird installation is easier than ever. No
add-ons required!
NEW SPACES TOOLBAR
Thunderbird 102 makes navigating the application more
intuitive thanks to the the new Spaces Toolbar. Move between
all of your activities with ease, whether it’s managing
email, working with contacts through the awesome new address
book, using the calendar and tasks functionality, chat, and
even add-ons! If you want to save screen real estate, the
Spaces Toolbar can be dismissed, and you can instead
navigate the different activities Thunderbird offers with
the new Pinned Spaces tab.
Screenshot showing the new matrix chat in Thunderbird.
Screenshot of the new spaces toolbar in Thunderbird.
NEW MATRIX CHAT SUPPORT
Thunderbird 102 offers a new way to chat privately and
securely with your colleagues, friends, and family. We’ve
added support for the open-source, decentralized chat
protocol Matrix, and it’s usable right out of the box! (As
always, we welcome your feedback since it’s an evolving
service.)
OTHER NOTABLE CHANGES
There are many other big changes that make Thunderbird 102 a
very large release including:
• New Icons and Default Folder Colors
• Use Thunderbird without an email account (for example, as
an RSS reader)
• Numerous OpenPGP improvements
• CalendarLocal parser converted to javascript
• Today Pane calendar UI refresh
• POP3 implemented in javascript
• Account settings moved to macOS application menu
• Plus: Application-wide font size control, Theme fixes,
FileLink fixes, Accessibility fixes, improved vCard
integration, improved calendar startup performance, Calendar
fixes including correct order of week view headers and days
for right to left locales.
You can see details of all our changes in the release notes
for Thunderbird 102.0 and up.
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Re: New Thunderbird Version 102.0 Issues
Hi Gene,
I still can't get it to work. I even restarted the system and still no go.
What did you change in the settings in address book or program that seemed to get it to work?
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 7/2/2022 8:10 PM, Gene wrote: Here is an odd thing. The NVDA Mozilla apps enhancements didn't work when I first tried it in the new version. I tried it again a little later and now it does. I was playing with the address book search, and I have no idea if that changed anything regarding the layout but it works for now, at least for now, I don't know if it will continue to work.
Gene
On 7/2/2022 6:58 PM, Gene wrote:
If you want to look down the list of addresses, if you turn browse mode off in the address book and tab to the list, you can up and down arrow in it and it will appear as a standard list. There is no first letter navigation.
Autocomplete works as before in e-mail messages. I haven't played with the search address book feature to any extent and I'm not sure I understand it yet.
Gene
On 7/2/2022 6:50 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
Here, below my signature, is the page that comes up in Thunderbird the first time it runs after the update. As you will see, the header layout has been changed, which assumedly, accounts for the NVDA Mozilla enhancements no longer working.
If people aren't aware of this, you can set Thunderbird not to update automatically and to inform you when updates are available.
Gene
New in Thunderbird 102
This article describes some of the major changes visible to users in Thunderbird version 102. Full details of all the changes can be found in the Thunderbird release notes from 102.0 and up.
Thunderbird is both free and freedom respecting, but we’re also completely funded by donations! Help us sustain the project and continue to improve.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new system dark mode.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new message header.
MESSAGE HEADER REDESIGN
Thunderbird 102 helps you be more productive with less effort. When reading your email, the redesigned message header allows you to focus on what matters as it highlights important information. It’s also more responsive and easier to navigate. Plus, you can star important messages from the message header itself, and easily convert them into a calendar event or a task.
NEW ADDRESS BOOK
Thunderbird 102 gives your contacts a serious upgrade! The refreshed design makes it easier to navigate and interact with your contacts, and helps you better understand who you’re communicating with. The new Address Book has compatibility with vCard specs, meaning if your app can export your existing contacts into vCard format, Thunderbird can import them. Each contact card also acts as a launchpad for messaging, email, and event creation.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new addressbook.
Screenshot of the new import and export wizards in Thunderbird.
NEW IMPORT/EXPORT WIZARD
Thunderbird 102 makes it quick and simple to move your accounts and data around. The new step-by-step wizard provides a guided experience for importing all that data that’s important to you. We’ve also taken extra precautions to ensure that no data is accidentally duplicated in your profile after an import. Moving from Outlook, SeaMonkey, or another Thunderbird installation is easier than ever. No add-ons required!
NEW SPACES TOOLBAR
Thunderbird 102 makes navigating the application more intuitive thanks to the the new Spaces Toolbar. Move between all of your activities with ease, whether it’s managing email, working with contacts through the awesome new address book, using the calendar and tasks functionality, chat, and even add-ons! If you want to save screen real estate, the Spaces Toolbar can be dismissed, and you can instead navigate the different activities Thunderbird offers with the new Pinned Spaces tab.
Screenshot showing the new matrix chat in Thunderbird.
Screenshot of the new spaces toolbar in Thunderbird.
NEW MATRIX CHAT SUPPORT
Thunderbird 102 offers a new way to chat privately and securely with your colleagues, friends, and family. We’ve added support for the open-source, decentralized chat protocol Matrix, and it’s usable right out of the box! (As always, we welcome your feedback since it’s an evolving service.)
OTHER NOTABLE CHANGES
There are many other big changes that make Thunderbird 102 a very large release including:
• New Icons and Default Folder Colors
• Use Thunderbird without an email account (for example, as an RSS reader)
• Numerous OpenPGP improvements
• CalendarLocal parser converted to javascript
• Today Pane calendar UI refresh
• POP3 implemented in javascript
• Account settings moved to macOS application menu
• Plus: Application-wide font size control, Theme fixes, FileLink fixes, Accessibility fixes, improved vCard integration, improved calendar startup performance, Calendar fixes including correct order of week view headers and days for right to left locales.
You can see details of all our changes in the release notes for Thunderbird 102.0 and up.
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Thunderbird is both free and freedom respecting, but we’re also completely funded by donations! Help us sustain the project and continue to improve.
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Re: New Thunderbird Version 102.0 Issues
Here is an odd thing. The NVDA Mozilla apps enhancements didn't work when I first tried it in the new version. I tried it again a little later and now it does. I was playing with the address book search, and I have no idea if that changed anything regarding the layout but it works for now, at least for now, I don't know if it will continue to work.
Gene
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 7/2/2022 6:58 PM, Gene wrote: If you want to look down the list of addresses, if you turn browse mode off in the address book and tab to the list, you can up and down arrow in it and it will appear as a standard list. There is no first letter navigation.
Autocomplete works as before in e-mail messages. I haven't played with the search address book feature to any extent and I'm not sure I understand it yet.
Gene
On 7/2/2022 6:50 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
Here, below my signature, is the page that comes up in Thunderbird the first time it runs after the update. As you will see, the header layout has been changed, which assumedly, accounts for the NVDA Mozilla enhancements no longer working.
If people aren't aware of this, you can set Thunderbird not to update automatically and to inform you when updates are available.
Gene
New in Thunderbird 102
This article describes some of the major changes visible to users in Thunderbird version 102. Full details of all the changes can be found in the Thunderbird release notes from 102.0 and up.
Thunderbird is both free and freedom respecting, but we’re also completely funded by donations! Help us sustain the project and continue to improve.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new system dark mode.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new message header.
MESSAGE HEADER REDESIGN
Thunderbird 102 helps you be more productive with less effort. When reading your email, the redesigned message header allows you to focus on what matters as it highlights important information. It’s also more responsive and easier to navigate. Plus, you can star important messages from the message header itself, and easily convert them into a calendar event or a task.
NEW ADDRESS BOOK
Thunderbird 102 gives your contacts a serious upgrade! The refreshed design makes it easier to navigate and interact with your contacts, and helps you better understand who you’re communicating with. The new Address Book has compatibility with vCard specs, meaning if your app can export your existing contacts into vCard format, Thunderbird can import them. Each contact card also acts as a launchpad for messaging, email, and event creation.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new addressbook.
Screenshot of the new import and export wizards in Thunderbird.
NEW IMPORT/EXPORT WIZARD
Thunderbird 102 makes it quick and simple to move your accounts and data around. The new step-by-step wizard provides a guided experience for importing all that data that’s important to you. We’ve also taken extra precautions to ensure that no data is accidentally duplicated in your profile after an import. Moving from Outlook, SeaMonkey, or another Thunderbird installation is easier than ever. No add-ons required!
NEW SPACES TOOLBAR
Thunderbird 102 makes navigating the application more intuitive thanks to the the new Spaces Toolbar. Move between all of your activities with ease, whether it’s managing email, working with contacts through the awesome new address book, using the calendar and tasks functionality, chat, and even add-ons! If you want to save screen real estate, the Spaces Toolbar can be dismissed, and you can instead navigate the different activities Thunderbird offers with the new Pinned Spaces tab.
Screenshot showing the new matrix chat in Thunderbird.
Screenshot of the new spaces toolbar in Thunderbird.
NEW MATRIX CHAT SUPPORT
Thunderbird 102 offers a new way to chat privately and securely with your colleagues, friends, and family. We’ve added support for the open-source, decentralized chat protocol Matrix, and it’s usable right out of the box! (As always, we welcome your feedback since it’s an evolving service.)
OTHER NOTABLE CHANGES
There are many other big changes that make Thunderbird 102 a very large release including:
• New Icons and Default Folder Colors
• Use Thunderbird without an email account (for example, as an RSS reader)
• Numerous OpenPGP improvements
• CalendarLocal parser converted to javascript
• Today Pane calendar UI refresh
• POP3 implemented in javascript
• Account settings moved to macOS application menu
• Plus: Application-wide font size control, Theme fixes, FileLink fixes, Accessibility fixes, improved vCard integration, improved calendar startup performance, Calendar fixes including correct order of week view headers and days for right to left locales.
You can see details of all our changes in the release notes for Thunderbird 102.0 and up.
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Re: New Thunderbird Version 102.0 Issues
If you want to look down the list of addresses, if you turn browse mode off in the address book and tab to the list, you can up and down arrow in it and it will appear as a standard list. There is no first letter navigation.
Autocomplete works as before in e-mail messages. I haven't played with the search address book feature to any extent and I'm not sure I understand it yet.
Gene
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On 7/2/2022 6:50 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote: Here, below my signature, is the page that comes up in Thunderbird the first time it runs after the update. As you will see, the header layout has been changed, which assumedly, accounts for the NVDA Mozilla enhancements no longer working.
If people aren't aware of this, you can set Thunderbird not to update automatically and to inform you when updates are available.
Gene
New in Thunderbird 102
This article describes some of the major changes visible to users in Thunderbird version 102. Full details of all the changes can be found in the Thunderbird release notes from 102.0 and up.
Thunderbird is both free and freedom respecting, but we’re also completely funded by donations! Help us sustain the project and continue to improve.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new system dark mode.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new message header.
MESSAGE HEADER REDESIGN
Thunderbird 102 helps you be more productive with less effort. When reading your email, the redesigned message header allows you to focus on what matters as it highlights important information. It’s also more responsive and easier to navigate. Plus, you can star important messages from the message header itself, and easily convert them into a calendar event or a task.
NEW ADDRESS BOOK
Thunderbird 102 gives your contacts a serious upgrade! The refreshed design makes it easier to navigate and interact with your contacts, and helps you better understand who you’re communicating with. The new Address Book has compatibility with vCard specs, meaning if your app can export your existing contacts into vCard format, Thunderbird can import them. Each contact card also acts as a launchpad for messaging, email, and event creation.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new addressbook.
Screenshot of the new import and export wizards in Thunderbird.
NEW IMPORT/EXPORT WIZARD
Thunderbird 102 makes it quick and simple to move your accounts and data around. The new step-by-step wizard provides a guided experience for importing all that data that’s important to you. We’ve also taken extra precautions to ensure that no data is accidentally duplicated in your profile after an import. Moving from Outlook, SeaMonkey, or another Thunderbird installation is easier than ever. No add-ons required!
NEW SPACES TOOLBAR
Thunderbird 102 makes navigating the application more intuitive thanks to the the new Spaces Toolbar. Move between all of your activities with ease, whether it’s managing email, working with contacts through the awesome new address book, using the calendar and tasks functionality, chat, and even add-ons! If you want to save screen real estate, the Spaces Toolbar can be dismissed, and you can instead navigate the different activities Thunderbird offers with the new Pinned Spaces tab.
Screenshot showing the new matrix chat in Thunderbird.
Screenshot of the new spaces toolbar in Thunderbird.
NEW MATRIX CHAT SUPPORT
Thunderbird 102 offers a new way to chat privately and securely with your colleagues, friends, and family. We’ve added support for the open-source, decentralized chat protocol Matrix, and it’s usable right out of the box! (As always, we welcome your feedback since it’s an evolving service.)
OTHER NOTABLE CHANGES
There are many other big changes that make Thunderbird 102 a very large release including:
• New Icons and Default Folder Colors
• Use Thunderbird without an email account (for example, as an RSS reader)
• Numerous OpenPGP improvements
• CalendarLocal parser converted to javascript
• Today Pane calendar UI refresh
• POP3 implemented in javascript
• Account settings moved to macOS application menu
• Plus: Application-wide font size control, Theme fixes, FileLink fixes, Accessibility fixes, improved vCard integration, improved calendar startup performance, Calendar fixes including correct order of week view headers and days for right to left locales.
You can see details of all our changes in the release notes for Thunderbird 102.0 and up.
THUNDERBIRD IS FUNDED BY USERS LIKE YOU
Thunderbird is both free and freedom respecting, but we’re also completely funded by donations! Help us sustain the project and continue to improve.
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Re: New Thunderbird Version 102.0 Issues
Here, below my signature, is the page that comes up in Thunderbird the first time it runs after the update. As you will see, the header layout has been changed, which assumedly, accounts for the NVDA Mozilla enhancements no longer working.
If people aren't aware of this, you can set Thunderbird not to update automatically and to inform you when updates are available.
Gene
New in Thunderbird 102
This article describes some of the major changes visible to users in Thunderbird version 102. Full details of all the changes can be found in the Thunderbird release notes from 102.0 and up.
Thunderbird is both free and freedom respecting, but we’re also completely funded by donations! Help us sustain the project and continue to improve.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new system dark mode.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new message header.
MESSAGE HEADER REDESIGN
Thunderbird 102 helps you be more productive with less effort. When reading your email, the redesigned message header allows you to focus on what matters as it highlights important information. It’s also more responsive and easier to navigate. Plus, you can star important messages from the message header itself, and easily convert them into a calendar event or a task.
NEW ADDRESS BOOK
Thunderbird 102 gives your contacts a serious upgrade! The refreshed design makes it easier to navigate and interact with your contacts, and helps you better understand who you’re communicating with. The new Address Book has compatibility with vCard specs, meaning if your app can export your existing contacts into vCard format, Thunderbird can import them. Each contact card also acts as a launchpad for messaging, email, and event creation.
Screenshot of Thunderbird's new addressbook.
Screenshot of the new import and export wizards in Thunderbird.
NEW IMPORT/EXPORT WIZARD
Thunderbird 102 makes it quick and simple to move your accounts and data around. The new step-by-step wizard provides a guided experience for importing all that data that’s important to you. We’ve also taken extra precautions to ensure that no data is accidentally duplicated in your profile after an import. Moving from Outlook, SeaMonkey, or another Thunderbird installation is easier than ever. No add-ons required!
NEW SPACES TOOLBAR
Thunderbird 102 makes navigating the application more intuitive thanks to the the new Spaces Toolbar. Move between all of your activities with ease, whether it’s managing email, working with contacts through the awesome new address book, using the calendar and tasks functionality, chat, and even add-ons! If you want to save screen real estate, the Spaces Toolbar can be dismissed, and you can instead navigate the different activities Thunderbird offers with the new Pinned Spaces tab.
Screenshot showing the new matrix chat in Thunderbird.
Screenshot of the new spaces toolbar in Thunderbird.
NEW MATRIX CHAT SUPPORT
Thunderbird 102 offers a new way to chat privately and securely with your colleagues, friends, and family. We’ve added support for the open-source, decentralized chat protocol Matrix, and it’s usable right out of the box! (As always, we welcome your feedback since it’s an evolving service.)
OTHER NOTABLE CHANGES
There are many other big changes that make Thunderbird 102 a very large release including:
• New Icons and Default Folder Colors
• Use Thunderbird without an email account (for example, as an RSS reader)
• Numerous OpenPGP improvements
• CalendarLocal parser converted to javascript
• Today Pane calendar UI refresh
• POP3 implemented in javascript
• Account settings moved to macOS application menu
• Plus: Application-wide font size control, Theme fixes, FileLink fixes, Accessibility fixes, improved vCard integration, improved calendar startup performance, Calendar fixes including correct order of week view headers and days for right to left locales.
You can see details of all our changes in the release notes for Thunderbird 102.0 and up.
THUNDERBIRD IS FUNDED BY USERS LIKE YOU
Thunderbird is both free and freedom respecting, but we’re also completely funded by donations! Help us sustain the project and continue to improve.
DONATE
JOIN OUR NEWSLETTER
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Re: The blog portion of this site changes to British English
If you mean on the site, I don't know if the language and dialect
setting used is correct.
Gene
On 7/2/2022 6:30 PM, Governor staten
wrote:
That does fix it. I wonder if it is a feature more than a bug,
or vice versa?
On 6/30/2022 11:12 PM, Gene wrote:
Uncheck language switching and dialect switching, the next
setting in the same dialog. If you don't have settings set to
be saved on exit, save the settings after activating the OK
button with control NVDA key c.
On 6/30/2022 10:06 PM, Governor
staten wrote:
Hello
folks. I'd like to know if you see the same thing on this
site?
I frequently visit:
https://element.io
The chosen voice is English American.
Now, go to this site:
https://element.io/blog/
Press "h" and start reading from there. While the voice
doesn't change from American English, the dialect seems to
change. When I uncheck language switching and close the
settings window, everything is okay. The British accent is
annoying to me. Is there a way to stop this from happening? I
hope this is clear.
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Re: The blog portion of this site changes to British English
That does fix it. I wonder if it is a feature more than a bug, or
vice versa?
On 6/30/2022 11:12 PM, Gene wrote:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Uncheck language switching and dialect switching, the next setting
in the same dialog. If you don't have settings set to be saved on
exit, save the settings after activating the OK button with
control NVDA key c.
On 6/30/2022 10:06 PM, Governor
staten wrote:
Hello
folks. I'd like to know if you see the same thing on this site?
I frequently visit:
https://element.io
The chosen voice is English American.
Now, go to this site:
https://element.io/blog/
Press "h" and start reading from there. While the voice doesn't
change from American English, the dialect seems to change. When
I uncheck language switching and close the settings window,
everything is okay. The British accent is annoying to me. Is
there a way to stop this from happening? I hope this is clear.
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Re: Less Verbosity In Task Manager?
NVDA Announcements for things like "grouping" CanNot be Turned off.
If the interface actually has a list called "list of items:"
you'll hear that exactly as soon as you Tab to/AltKey the control's command.
"Fewer/More Details" changes what is shown in the interface,
and Even what NVDA May speak.
Jason Bratcher
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Re: New Thunderbird Version 102.0 Issues
Good reasons not to update. I really don't see the need to keep the
program current if you are just using e-mail and don't care about
possible new features.
I'll be curious to see the new setup. I have a copy of Thunderbird
Portable I keep current to keep up with any problems or changes I
find in the program but for general use, I don't use the current
version.
I keep one copy current out of curiosity and so I might be of help
if people ask about problems.
Gene
On 7/2/2022 4:36 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi
Group,
The new Thunderbird version 102.0 has some issues. the address
book is configured and different. It is similar to but not exactly
like a web page. for best results in navigating it, turn off
virtual cursor and then use tab key to get to the list of your
addresses. first letter navigation does not work as it did in the
past in the address book, so you will have to use the search field
which now appears in the tab order of the items in the address
book. Type the first few letters of an address you want to
highlight and then tab to the list and you will land on or near
the proper address. Use up and down arrow keys if you don't land
exactly on the desired address. This isn't to dissimilar to the
way preferences were changed to be more like a web page a few
years ago in Thunderbird. it takes some getting used to but is
quite usable once you understand what is happening.
In addition, the Mozilla apps enhancement feature for Thunderbird
is broken. I hope the developers will be able to fix this add-on
so it works as it did in the previous versions. We should all
send them e-mails to make them aware of the issues and
desirability for a fix.
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New Thunderbird Version 102.0 Issues
Hi Group,
The new Thunderbird version 102.0 has some issues. the address book is configured and different. It is similar to but not exactly like a web page. for best results in navigating it, turn off virtual cursor and then use tab key to get to the list of your addresses. first letter navigation does not work as it did in the past in the address book, so you will have to use the search field which now appears in the tab order of the items in the address book. Type the first few letters of an address you want to highlight and then tab to the list and you will land on or near the proper address. Use up and down arrow keys if you don't land exactly on the desired address. This isn't to dissimilar to the way preferences were changed to be more like a web page a few years ago in Thunderbird. it takes some getting used to but is quite usable once you understand what is happening.
In addition, the Mozilla apps enhancement feature for Thunderbird is broken. I hope the developers will be able to fix this add-on so it works as it did in the previous versions. We should all send them e-mails to make them aware of the issues and desirability for a fix.
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Re: alphanumeric strings as phonetics?
Hi Group,
A simple way of describing this is indeed to have 'spell
alpha-numeric expressions phonetically' active during screen reader
'say all' reading. Here's an example.
Say I have the following sentence in 'say all.' mode.
I just had a conversation with Robert smith WA2PDQ on the forty
meter ham band.
With 'spell alpha-numeric expression phonetically' turned on in
JAWS, this sentence would be rendered in 'say all' mode as follows:
I just had a conversation with Robert smith Whiskey Alpha 2 Papa
Delta Quebec on the forty meter ham band.
This would be a nice feature if it could be implemented in NVDA.
On 7/2/2022 2:41 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sat, Jul 2, 2022
at 01:15 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
With the feature turned on and set to phonetics, it
says each word as if there is a comma after it. So, for example,
L9G3S6 will be read as “Lima, 9, golf, 3, Sierra, 6”.
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So, if I'm understanding you correctly, you want NVDA to detect
that it has an unpronounceable alphanumeric string when it's doing
a say all and, when such is encountered, say it phonetically?
It's not that something like this couldn't be done, but it does
require quite a bit of overhead as each "word" would need to be
analyzed as to whether it was an alphanumeric string in realtime,
which is a non-trivial and resource intensive task (relatively
speaking) since there is no way to predict where such might occur
in a text. Does the JAWS feature do this during a Say All?
And I did just play with the Enhanced Phonetic Reading add-on and
if I use the NVDA + CTRL + NumPad 2 command I can toggle instant
reading of each character phonetically and have it skip the
regular announcement of the letter itself. So, provided I'm going
letter by letter, I get “Lima, 9, golf, 3, Sierra, 6” for L9G3S6.
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conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right
place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting
moment.
~ Dorothy
Nevill
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Re: alphanumeric strings as phonetics?
Sarah k Alawami
Yep I listen to nvda at close to 100, or at least I’m retraining my ear. And for me I don’t really find alpha bravo etc hard.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 10:15 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] alphanumeric strings as phonetics? I don’t find it hard to understand, and I listen to Eloquence at about 70%. With the feature turned on and set to phonetics, it says each word as if there is a comma after it. So, for example, L9G3S6 will be read as “Lima, 9, golf, 3, Sierra, 6”.
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Re: alphanumeric strings as phonetics?
Chris Smart
So, if I'm understanding you correctly, you want NVDA to detect that it has an unpronounceable alphanumeric string when it's doing a say all and, when such is encountered, say it phonetically?
Yes. That would be ideal.
It's not that something like this couldn't be done, but it does require quite a bit of overhead as each "word" would need to be analyzed as to whether it was an alphanumeric string in realtime, which is a non-trivial and resource intensive task (relatively speaking) since there is no way to predict where such might occur in a text. Does the JAWS feature do this during a Say All?
Yep, I just tried it.
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Re: alphanumeric strings as phonetics?
On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 01:15 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
With the feature turned on and set to phonetics, it says each word as if there is a comma after it. So, for example, L9G3S6 will be read as “Lima, 9, golf, 3, Sierra, 6”.
- So, if I'm understanding you correctly, you want NVDA to detect that it has an unpronounceable alphanumeric string when it's doing a say all and, when such is encountered, say it phonetically? It's not that something like this couldn't be done, but it does require quite a bit of overhead as each "word" would need to be analyzed as to whether it was an alphanumeric string in realtime, which is a non-trivial and resource intensive task (relatively speaking) since there is no way to predict where such might occur in a text. Does the JAWS feature do this during a Say All? And I did just play with the Enhanced Phonetic Reading add-on and if I use the NVDA + CTRL + NumPad 2 command I can toggle instant reading of each character phonetically and have it skip the regular announcement of the letter itself. So, provided I'm going letter by letter, I get “Lima, 9, golf, 3, Sierra, 6” for L9G3S6. --
Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
~ Dorothy Nevill
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Re: alphanumeric strings as phonetics?
That's what I had in mind, the pause would be important, I think.
Gene
On 7/2/2022 12:14 PM, Chris Smart
wrote:
I don’t find it hard
to understand, and I listen to Eloquence at about 70%.
With the feature
turned on and set to phonetics, it says each word as if
there is a comma after it. So, for example, L9G3S6 will be
read as “Lima, 9, golf, 3, Sierra, 6”.
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Re: alphanumeric strings as phonetics?
Chris Smart
I don’t find it hard to understand, and I listen to Eloquence at about 70%. With the feature turned on and set to phonetics, it says each word as if there is a comma after it. So, for example, L9G3S6 will be read as “Lima, 9, golf, 3, Sierra, 6”.
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