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Re: [nvda-addons] FW: [nvda] "Unofficial" NVDA Add-Ons Repository
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 04:09 pm, Adriani Botez wrote:
Because addons.nvda-rpoject.org is actually the official addons website which is the face of NVDA when talking about security. If there appear addons which have never been reviewed, then we cannot speak of a somehow secure environment anymore.I repeat: A parallel one for "user created and not officially tested" add-ons should also exist. AND: Hosting something, with a clear notice that they have not been reviewed to ensure they meet NVDA standards, is not implying approval of said add-ons. And with this, I'm out. It appears that the idea of hosting a location where user developed, but not officially reviewed or tested, add-ons can reside for use by whoever might be inclined to use them is just too much to ask. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong. ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore
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Re: [nvda-addons] FW: [nvda] "Unofficial" NVDA Add-Ons Repository
Brandon Cross <bcross3286@...>
I agree with the form idea, why is it 2018 and so many communities revolving around blindness are still using email lists. I don't even understand email lists which is why you rarely see me post here. I guess I just used more mainstream options.
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 6:16 PM, Damien Garwood <damien@...> wrote: Hi there,
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Re: [nvda-addons] FW: [nvda] "Unofficial" NVDA Add-Ons Repository
Adriani Botez
Because addons.nvda-rpoject.org is actually the official addons website which is the face of NVDA when talking about security. If there appear addons which have never been reviewed, then we cannot speak of a somehow secure environment anymore.
Best Adriani
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Brian Vogel
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 03:12 pm, Adriani Botez wrote:
And we're right back to where things started when I made the proposal in the first place: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/40851 Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong. ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore
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Re: [nvda-addons] FW: [nvda] "Unofficial" NVDA Add-Ons Repository
Adriani Botez
Yes, but I would not put such a repo on addons.nvda-project.org. I would just do it on github.
Best Adriani
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Brian Vogel
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 03:12 pm, Adriani Botez wrote:
And we're right back to where things started when I made the proposal in the first place: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/40851 Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong. ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore
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Re: [nvda-addons] FW: [nvda] "Unofficial" NVDA Add-Ons Repository
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 03:12 pm, Adriani Botez wrote:
Well, then we should create a separate repository on github called “untested addons” and every author could compile his addon and just put it in that repository.And we're right back to where things started when I made the proposal in the first place: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/40851 There needs to be a repository for "officially vetted and tested" add-ons, and it already exists at https://addons.nvda-project.org/index.en.html. A parallel one for "user created and not officially tested" add-ons should also exist. I would not call them untested as a very great many have been in use by those who coded them for themselves. It's just that they would not have the NVDA seal of approval, which is just fine, since it's possible to request review and placement in the official repository if an author so chooses. Many won't. Hosting something, with a clear notice that they have not been reviewed to ensure they meet NVDA standards, is not implying approval of said add-ons. Users also understand the concept of using at your own risk. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong. ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore
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Re: [nvda-addons] FW: [nvda] "Unofficial" NVDA Add-Ons Repository
Damien Garwood <damien@...>
Hi there,
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"3. The author does not understand the git system or is used to other subversion systems and might not want to change this." Making addons is a tricky business in and of itself in my view. It took me ages to find the NVDA developer API, and that isn't including trying to learn to navigate it, and understand it, figuring out what is internal and what is usable etc. There is still a bug in my BGT addon that I have been unable to find a way to fix since its initial development last year. Add Git and GitHub to the mix and, at least from my point of view, I found that very intimidating. To be honest, this is partly why I don't try NVDA snapshot builds any more, and why I don't submit issues. Even looking at issues somewhat confuses me. Even the version system I use on a regular basis, Fossil, only receives the most basic commands from me. Add files, commit, and update. No thanks to branches and tagging! That isn't even bringing administration into the mix. Obviously things need to be done to mark addons as release, put them through the translation system etc, but I haven't the foggiest idea as to how that works, how to get the ball rolling etc. Despite documents stating that all you need is a knowledge of Python, it's clear to me that submitting and publishing an addon needs a lot more, and this makes me wonder just where my future is as a potential addon writer, let alone core developer. Cheers, Damien.
On 04/06/2018 10:43 PM, Adriani Botez wrote:
Dear all,
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Re: [nvda-addons] FW: [nvda] "Unofficial" NVDA Add-Ons Repository
Adriani Botez
Well, then we should create a separate repository on github called “untested addons” and every author could compile his addon and just put it in that repository.
Best Adriani
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Brian Vogel
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 02:43 pm, Adriani Botez wrote:
I want to make entirely clear that there is no attempt on my part to even suggest, let alone implement, coercion of any sort with regard to "arm twisting" private authors of add-ons with regard to distributing them. I know that some would do so, quite willingly, if they had some established way of doing so and if it were possible for them to decide whether they wanted their add-ons, and themselves, subject to review and vetting. Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong. ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore
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Re: [nvda-addons] FW: [nvda] "Unofficial" NVDA Add-Ons Repository
An additional note with regard to languages, open source projects routinely recruit volunteer translators when interfaces or documentation need to be made available in a language other than the one in which they originated.
I cannot imagine, given the worldwide user base of NVDA, that there would not be an abundant supply of willing volunteers to do the same. I'm monolingual, but were I bilingual or multilingual I'd certainly consider doing that sort of translation. If you can't code add-ons this is a big way you can help out. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong. ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore
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Re: [nvda-addons] FW: [nvda] "Unofficial" NVDA Add-Ons Repository
Hi, Response forwarded to NVDA add-ons list. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 02:43 pm, Adriani Botez wrote:
I want to make entirely clear that there is no attempt on my part to even suggest, let alone implement, coercion of any sort with regard to "arm twisting" private authors of add-ons with regard to distributing them. I know that some would do so, quite willingly, if they had some established way of doing so and if it were possible for them to decide whether they wanted their add-ons, and themselves, subject to review and vetting. Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong. ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore
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Re: [nvda-addons] FW: [nvda] "Unofficial" NVDA Add-Ons Repository
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 02:43 pm, Adriani Botez wrote:
I want to make entirely clear that there is no attempt on my part to even suggest, let alone implement, coercion of any sort with regard to "arm twisting" private authors of add-ons with regard to distributing them. I know that some would do so, quite willingly, if they had some established way of doing so and if it were possible for them to decide whether they wanted their add-ons, and themselves, subject to review and vetting. It should be possible for anyone to offer an add-on for others to use knowing full well that there are no guarantees or warranties of any sort, nor an absolute guarantee of fitness for purpose. This is just about making it easy for private add-on developers who wish to offer their work at no charge to have a very easy way of doing so. Conversely, it makes these available in a "one stop shop" for the rest of the user community to pick up and try. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong. ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore
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Re: [nvda-addons] FW: [nvda] "Unofficial" NVDA Add-Ons Repository
Adriani Botez
Dear all,
I don’t find the original post in my inbox, but I want to answer to this statement though.
Some months ago I discovered the french addon website and made some statements about cooperations between addon authors. At that time it was all about audacity. Two brilliant authors in my opinion, Paul B. and Robert H. have developed two complex addons for the same software. Then I discovered, that there is a very useful addon for Microsoft word on the French website. Its functions could have been integrated in the appmodule since very long time. Moreover, there is the Italian addon repository, with very useful addons as well. And there are many other addon websites we might not know about.
Well, ideally authors should cooperate with each other on a worldwide basis, but that’s why we organize NVDACon every year. However, there is someone who is creating an addon for his needs and might want to share it just with a small community of people. There are many reasons for this behavior:
The decision of an author to make an addon available for the entire worldwide community can and should not be manipulated by any system restriction or what so ever. The only thing we can do is to encourage anyone to submit his addons. The man power is in place, the systems are in place, the structure is in place. It is not more than writing an e-mail and requesting a review. But it is still the decision of an author if he wants to make this step or not.
Best Adriani
Von: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io <nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Joseph Lee
Hi all, Do we have any response to this? I think the below suggestion shows that we need to do something about making authors not listed on official add-ons site feel comfortable submitting their add-ons for review here. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 08:09 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Which would be ideal, if everyone did it, but they don't for myriad reasons. Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong. ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore
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Re: Firefox 60, with NVDA 2018.2RC2, can't click on links
Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Hi
Out of curiosity is screen layout turned on? If so i or most people will turn it off.
There is a short cut to do it but you must be in the browser and focused on the page.
Then use the nvda key + letter V to turn it off you should hear it spoken. Then take it for a drive again does it fix the problem?
It can also be done in the browse mode settings and look for the one that says use screen lay out if supported and uncheck this box.
Gene nz
On 6/5/2018 2:38 AM, Jessica D wrote:
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Re: i need list of accessible browsers
Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Hi
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have a look on my nvda road tested programs page which is off my web site at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ then when you are on that page jump down to a heading called browsers or it may be supported browsers. When the list was put together back then they were the browsers that worked with nvda from feed back from the community. Gene nz
On 6/4/2018 9:31 PM, zahra wrote:
hello every one.
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gitlab
Hi.
Searching google today with the rumor about ms getting github people are already moving to gitlab witch is another previder of git like services. I don't see the need to rush into things on the other hand maybe we should to continue as we are.
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Re: Microsoft is acquiring Github
Marshall handheld Flax
The beauty of git is that everyone who has a local clone of a repo has the *full* history of the repo. So NVDA is in no immediate danger. Long-term, things could get worse. But I think NVDA has a strong user community outside of Github...it will do just fine regardless of what happens to github. Marshall
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote: Well git does professional services but still.
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Re: Microsoft is acquiring Github
Well with microsoft releasing a lot of opensource thing and with its launch into other oses, android, ios and linux one assumes that this is more streamlining than anything else.
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A universal accessible git would be nice for developers. Skype for what it is is still a good platform especially now they have classic back. On the other hand, skype itself may die, a lot of people use the facebook owned whats app, and its got better quality and well the family use it. Its like sky tv vs netflicks and other online retailers, space is tight and limited.
On 6/5/2018 7:48 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Well having read it I am little wiser, its all a bit abstract really.
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Re: Microsoft is acquiring Github
Well git does professional services but still.
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A universal git, I don't know. A lot of opensource and modded things like drivers and all sorts of projects are handled there. But a lot of stuff is done on git. There are other platforms. sourceforge is one of them. Ofcause they finance themselves with opencandy and other malware. Thats seen me abandon things like cdex, izarchiver, freemake and dvdvideosoft products sometimes I have to buy expensive other tools which may not work as well. Cdbxp has an alternit installer, and well ccleaner with avast and chrome, well I just get used to that but even so.
On 6/5/2018 7:26 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I guess it depends very much on their reasons for buying it. One assumes it means making money so I'd vee very wary about that for a start. If they got it and shut it all down a heck of a lot of people would be inconvenienced and have to find a new home.
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Re: Microsoft is acquiring Github
Well I doubt microsoft will kill opensource software in general even for other oses.
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They have been open since the death of win10 mobile and their mobile devices. At least I hope that doesn't happen. Things we could see that are positive could include the git intergration into windows development environment and windows insiders having git access or ms account needed for git access which isn't a bad thing by any stretch. Full accessible git support etc. However with twitter shutting down third party apps, they simply could close git down.
On 6/5/2018 6:11 AM, Florian Ionașcu wrote:
Hello everyone!
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Re: Microsoft is acquiring Github
Brian's Mail list account
Well having read it I am little wiser, its all a bit abstract really.
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i just wonder what the bottom line actually is here. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Florian Ionașcu" <florianionascu@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 7:11 PM Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is acquiring Github Hello everyone!
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Re: Firefox 60, with NVDA 2018.2RC2, can't click on links
Gene
Have you tested with another screen-reader?
and what happens if you turn off browse mode, tab to a link, then press
enter?
Are you pressing enter on links?
To test with browse mode off, do the
following:
Turn off browse mode with NVDA key space bar.
Tab to a link and press enter. Turn on browse
mode with the same command, NVDA key plus space bar.
Wait a little to see if the page loads. Then
look around to see if you are on the page.
Gene
----- Original Message
From: Jessica D
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 60, with NVDA 2018.2RC2, can't click on
links Yes, no links can be clicked.
when NVDA says something is a link, I can’t activate it.
On Jun 4, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
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