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Re: NVDA and teemtalk?

luke scholey
 

That was an issue with the NVDACon TeamTalk server that has now been fixed.
Luke

On 1 Jun 2018, at 19:52, Matt Turner <meturner2214@...> wrote:

Hi folks.
Trying to log in to nvdacon with teemtalk.
I've never seen this message come up before.
An error occurred while perform a requested command:
Commands are issued too fast. Flood protection.

OK



Re: Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

Robin Frost
 

Hi,
Gene I think you make some very cogent points here. there is definitely in my view a difference between written and oral language usage. Similarly I notice that language for me often becomes more polished when I’m in a heavier book reading phase too. It makes me appreciate the precious commodity and beauty that words themselves possess and convey. such a study done thoroughly in an academic setting could indeed be very interesting. Again for those who have dexterity issues I understand the advantage dictation can offer but I hope it never becomes the ultimate be al and end all as such.
Take good care.
Robin
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 5:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA
 
A long time ago, when there were no personal computers, I tried dictating rough drafts of one or two college papers instead of writing the rough draft.  The quality of writing wasn't nearly as good so I wrote out the drafts and discarded what I had dictated.  I may not have dictated more than a page or two before I stopped.  When I listened to the results of my partial work, they were inferior.  I don't think it's just a question of slower work.  I think that when you write, you think differently in terms of your use of language. 
 
You see comercials promoting dictation software showing students using it.  But this is something that should be challenged by educators and a public discussion should be had on the subject.  In my opinion, such software, advertised as a replacement for typing may be deceptive and should be challenged so we can find out.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: ely.r@...
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 2:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA
 
Afternoon, or at least here it is.
Long time in the past, I did graduate study work on the writing process and computers. Any speech recognition work that was being done then was at Bell Labs or MIT, so there was no consideration of it as a writing tool. What I do know is that the process for experienced  writers when composing is far different than the processes we use when speaking. Keyboards or even handwriting provide humans the time to switch between long and short term memory and the time needed to use the mediating steps we use writing. Maybe that is why some folks get in trouble when they speak with no mediation, no comments about just who that might be. I fear Tweeting is more like talking than writing, lots more chance to write what you didn't quite mean.

As to brain implants, I hate the fact that forces out there are tracking every web site I visit and everything I purchase. I am not ready for Google or Amazon to be poking about in my brain. Just speaking for me, I think I could get in a great deal of trouble that way. Just saying, not thinking.
Rick

Dr. Rick Ely
TVI, Vision Consultant
451 Rocky Hill Road
Florence, MA 01062
&413()  727-3038

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 3:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

Actually, I was thinking the other day, that it won't be long before we have brain implants and everyone will be doing twitter and Face Book via thought.
We'll definitely need self-driving cars then.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 1:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

No we will eventually get a brain implant to communicate instead.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Janet Brandly" <jbrandly@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA


I can see voice activation taking off in a home setting but not in an office
or public setting. Keyboards will be around forever.
Janet

From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The future of NVDA

Hello NVDA community. It’s Sky. I wanted to ask you guys a question.  Will
NVDA be incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader? Because a
friend of mine has told me that in three years everything is going to be
voice activated. Yes we have dictation bridge for Voice activation, but what
my friend means is that in three years, the computers, etc. will all be done
via Voice activation without a keyboard. Here is what he has to say.

From: bj colt [mailto:bjcolt@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: CSUN



Hi Sky,



I just received an email from my local supermarket. I do an on line shop
there every week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google home and other
apps using voice only ordering.



I did say this is the way forward. With Amazon and Google competing, this
voice activation is going to be the next huge thing in computing. I've said
this for a while as you know. The next step is using actual programs/apps
via voice activation. Just watch my friend. VFO is finished, on the way out.
They won't be able to compete in an open market. Not as huge as this one.
Just imagine my friend. At the moment I have my favorites in a shopping
list. Think about the key strokes I need to use to get to them? Then
additional items. I have to do a search of often up to 40 products with a
similar name. arrowing down, tabbing down. Then adding them to my shopping
basket. Going through the dates for delivery and times. Then all the key
strokes in using my card details authorization process. All done with our
voice. At least quarter of the time normally spent shopping. This does spell
the end of VFO.



Everything is going to be voice activated in the next 3 years. There isn't
any other way for web developers to go.



Progress sometimes my friend is slow but when it starts, it is like a high
speed jet aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.



There will be some people who won't change. Or use both methods to carry out
tasks. Now VFO have to utilize jws to act on voice commands. With Dug in
Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of miles behind. Then when
they introduce pay monthly fees. The very fast extinction of jws and other
products will come to a very sudden and dramatic halt. They may think they
have the market share for programs relating of the blind. They don't any
more and they are the ones who are blind and not us.



Live long and prosper, John















Re: message

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


yep just read it.


Gene nz

On 6/1/2018 10:31 PM, zaran bilal wrote:
i am a new subscriber i want to check that my email reached to you all
members thanks.



Re: problem with rc2

Kenny Peyattt jr.
 

That happened a lot when I used espeak as my default synth. But that wasant the only problem I think it was a windows 10 problem and that was when I was running the release back in july of 2015 which was build 1507.

Kenny Peyatt jr.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 7:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with rc2

 

Hi,

Er, I assume this is 2018.2 RC2, correct? The chipmunk sound should be from 20181 days.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 4:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with rc2

 

Yes, it is 1803.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 6:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with rc2

 

Hello,

 

on which windows 10 are you? Is it the spring creators update 1803?

 

Best

Adriani

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Gary Metzler
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. Mai 2018 23:01
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] problem with rc2

 

Hi All,

 

I just installed rc2 with the following result.  I use the ms one core voice verra it came up sounding like a chipmunk.  Changing the voice rate and pitch didn’t really help.  I hope this can be fixed.  I went back to 1803.1.  Thanks for any help.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

Send to: gmtravel@...

Skype:  garymetz

 


Re: Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

Ervin, Glenn
 

Interestingly, I noticed back in the day when I did my dictation on a mini cassette recorder for the secretary to type up, I found that I was more creative and thorough in my dictation if I paced while doing it, as opposed to sitting down.

Maybe most testers of dictation software should go cordless and try pacing to see how it works.

Of course this does not address the accuracy of the software.

But I think one might speak more fluently in the mode that works best for them.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 4:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

 

A long time ago, when there were no personal computers, I tried dictating rough drafts of one or two college papers instead of writing the rough draft.  The quality of writing wasn't nearly as good so I wrote out the drafts and discarded what I had dictated.  I may not have dictated more than a page or two before I stopped.  When I listened to the results of my partial work, they were inferior.  I don't think it's just a question of slower work.  I think that when you write, you think differently in terms of your use of language. 

 

You see comercials promoting dictation software showing students using it.  But this is something that should be challenged by educators and a public discussion should be had on the subject.  In my opinion, such software, advertised as a replacement for typing may be deceptive and should be challenged so we can find out.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: ely.r@...

Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 2:29 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

 

Afternoon, or at least here it is.
Long time in the past, I did graduate study work on the writing process and computers. Any speech recognition work that was being done then was at Bell Labs or MIT, so there was no consideration of it as a writing tool. What I do know is that the process for experienced  writers when composing is far different than the processes we use when speaking. Keyboards or even handwriting provide humans the time to switch between long and short term memory and the time needed to use the mediating steps we use writing. Maybe that is why some folks get in trouble when they speak with no mediation, no comments about just who that might be. I fear Tweeting is more like talking than writing, lots more chance to write what you didn't quite mean.

As to brain implants, I hate the fact that forces out there are tracking every web site I visit and everything I purchase. I am not ready for Google or Amazon to be poking about in my brain. Just speaking for me, I think I could get in a great deal of trouble that way. Just saying, not thinking.
Rick

Dr. Rick Ely
TVI, Vision Consultant
451 Rocky Hill Road
Florence, MA 01062
&413()  727-3038

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 3:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

Actually, I was thinking the other day, that it won't be long before we have brain implants and everyone will be doing twitter and Face Book via thought.
We'll definitely need self-driving cars then.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 1:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

No we will eventually get a brain implant to communicate instead.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Janet Brandly" <jbrandly@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA


I can see voice activation taking off in a home setting but not in an office
or public setting. Keyboards will be around forever.
Janet

From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The future of NVDA

Hello NVDA community. It’s Sky. I wanted to ask you guys a question.  Will
NVDA be incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader? Because a
friend of mine has told me that in three years everything is going to be
voice activated. Yes we have dictation bridge for Voice activation, but what
my friend means is that in three years, the computers, etc. will all be done
via Voice activation without a keyboard. Here is what he has to say.

From: bj colt [mailto:bjcolt@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: CSUN



Hi Sky,



I just received an email from my local supermarket. I do an on line shop
there every week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google home and other
apps using voice only ordering.



I did say this is the way forward. With Amazon and Google competing, this
voice activation is going to be the next huge thing in computing. I've said
this for a while as you know. The next step is using actual programs/apps
via voice activation. Just watch my friend. VFO is finished, on the way out.
They won't be able to compete in an open market. Not as huge as this one.
Just imagine my friend. At the moment I have my favorites in a shopping
list. Think about the key strokes I need to use to get to them? Then
additional items. I have to do a search of often up to 40 products with a
similar name. arrowing down, tabbing down. Then adding them to my shopping
basket. Going through the dates for delivery and times. Then all the key
strokes in using my card details authorization process. All done with our
voice. At least quarter of the time normally spent shopping. This does spell
the end of VFO.



Everything is going to be voice activated in the next 3 years. There isn't
any other way for web developers to go.



Progress sometimes my friend is slow but when it starts, it is like a high
speed jet aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.



There will be some people who won't change. Or use both methods to carry out
tasks. Now VFO have to utilize jws to act on voice commands. With Dug in
Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of miles behind. Then when
they introduce pay monthly fees. The very fast extinction of jws and other
products will come to a very sudden and dramatic halt. They may think they
have the market share for programs relating of the blind. They don't any
more and they are the ones who are blind and not us.



Live long and prosper, John














Re: Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

Ervin, Glenn
 

My wife and I went to a rheumatoid arthritis specialist for her condition, and he did his notes during the examination on the computer with his voice and made corrections with the mouse while he spoke.
I wasn't impressed with his exam, as he was more focused on the computer than with the patient in my opinion.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of ely.r@...
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 2:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

Afternoon, or at least here it is.
Long time in the past, I did graduate study work on the writing process and computers. Any speech recognition work that was being done then was at Bell Labs or MIT, so there was no consideration of it as a writing tool. What I do know is that the process for experienced writers when composing is far different than the processes we use when speaking. Keyboards or even handwriting provide humans the time to switch between long and short term memory and the time needed to use the mediating steps we use writing. Maybe that is why some folks get in trouble when they speak with no mediation, no comments about just who that might be. I fear Tweeting is more like talking than writing, lots more chance to write what you didn't quite mean.

As to brain implants, I hate the fact that forces out there are tracking every web site I visit and everything I purchase. I am not ready for Google or Amazon to be poking about in my brain. Just speaking for me, I think I could get in a great deal of trouble that way. Just saying, not thinking.
Rick

Dr. Rick Ely
TVI, Vision Consultant
451 Rocky Hill Road
Florence, MA 01062
&413() 727-3038

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 3:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

Actually, I was thinking the other day, that it won't be long before we have brain implants and everyone will be doing twitter and Face Book via thought.
We'll definitely need self-driving cars then.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 1:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

No we will eventually get a brain implant to communicate instead.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Janet Brandly" <jbrandly@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA


I can see voice activation taking off in a home setting but not in an office
or public setting. Keyboards will be around forever.
Janet

From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The future of NVDA

Hello NVDA community. It’s Sky. I wanted to ask you guys a question. Will
NVDA be incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader? Because a
friend of mine has told me that in three years everything is going to be
voice activated. Yes we have dictation bridge for Voice activation, but what
my friend means is that in three years, the computers, etc. will all be done
via Voice activation without a keyboard. Here is what he has to say.

From: bj colt [mailto:bjcolt@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: CSUN



Hi Sky,



I just received an email from my local supermarket. I do an on line shop
there every week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google home and other
apps using voice only ordering.



I did say this is the way forward. With Amazon and Google competing, this
voice activation is going to be the next huge thing in computing. I've said
this for a while as you know. The next step is using actual programs/apps
via voice activation. Just watch my friend. VFO is finished, on the way out.
They won't be able to compete in an open market. Not as huge as this one.
Just imagine my friend. At the moment I have my favorites in a shopping
list. Think about the key strokes I need to use to get to them? Then
additional items. I have to do a search of often up to 40 products with a
similar name. arrowing down, tabbing down. Then adding them to my shopping
basket. Going through the dates for delivery and times. Then all the key
strokes in using my card details authorization process. All done with our
voice. At least quarter of the time normally spent shopping. This does spell
the end of VFO.



Everything is going to be voice activated in the next 3 years. There isn't
any other way for web developers to go.



Progress sometimes my friend is slow but when it starts, it is like a high
speed jet aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.



There will be some people who won't change. Or use both methods to carry out
tasks. Now VFO have to utilize jws to act on voice commands. With Dug in
Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of miles behind. Then when
they introduce pay monthly fees. The very fast extinction of jws and other
products will come to a very sudden and dramatic halt. They may think they
have the market share for programs relating of the blind. They don't any
more and they are the ones who are blind and not us.



Live long and prosper, John


neo speech again

mattias
 

Why does nvda hate just neospeech voices

The voices dont show up in nvda voices select combo

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 


Re: Fixing AutoLinks FireFox

Gene
 

I don't know if webpages in forums automatically create code when someone posts a link such as www.etc. or http://www. etc.  but if you don't see a link, it has nothing to do with your browser or screen-reader.  You don't see one because there isn't one.  You need code on a web page to tell the browser that something is a link.  Just writing http://. etc. isn't a link.
 
E-mail programs are designed to treat such syntaxes as links. 
 
Perhaps there is a way to tell your Facebook account to create a link when it sees such entries.  I don't use Facebook and I don't know.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fixing AutoLinks FireFox

I have no idea, as I'm not on facebook. is this perhaps some oddity in the
way facebook  pages are rendered?
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Russell" <david.sonofhashem@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 7:33 PM
Subject: [nvda] Fixing AutoLinks FireFox


Hi NVDA Users,

When I post an EMail, that contains a URL pasted in the body of the
text, in my email the text is linked, on Facebook, the link
disappears.
It does not appear as a link when viewing the message on Facebook
after posting. See below.
  In the Meantime...
Access our Free Past MOOC Course Materials!

& Follow the IWP online:
url q=https%3A%2F%2Fuiowa.us8.…
url q=https%3A%2F%2Fuiowa.us8.…
url q=https%3A%2F%2Fuiowa.us8.…

Is there a way to go into FireFox via about:preferences  and change
something to an automatic link all the time?

Or, should I look for a new user-friendly browser?

What is the consensus on Opera, Sea Monkey, or something else for
windows Seven, NVDA 2016? I'm happy with things as they are, aside
from Mozilla. Using a classic version to avoid further hell. Thanks.
David Russell






Re: Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

Gene
 

A long time ago, when there were no personal computers, I tried dictating rough drafts of one or two college papers instead of writing the rough draft.  The quality of writing wasn't nearly as good so I wrote out the drafts and discarded what I had dictated.  I may not have dictated more than a page or two before I stopped.  When I listened to the results of my partial work, they were inferior.  I don't think it's just a question of slower work.  I think that when you write, you think differently in terms of your use of language. 
 
You see comercials promoting dictation software showing students using it.  But this is something that should be challenged by educators and a public discussion should be had on the subject.  In my opinion, such software, advertised as a replacement for typing may be deceptive and should be challenged so we can find out.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: ely.r@...
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

Afternoon, or at least here it is.
Long time in the past, I did graduate study work on the writing process and computers. Any speech recognition work that was being done then was at Bell Labs or MIT, so there was no consideration of it as a writing tool. What I do know is that the process for experienced  writers when composing is far different than the processes we use when speaking. Keyboards or even handwriting provide humans the time to switch between long and short term memory and the time needed to use the mediating steps we use writing. Maybe that is why some folks get in trouble when they speak with no mediation, no comments about just who that might be. I fear Tweeting is more like talking than writing, lots more chance to write what you didn't quite mean.

As to brain implants, I hate the fact that forces out there are tracking every web site I visit and everything I purchase. I am not ready for Google or Amazon to be poking about in my brain. Just speaking for me, I think I could get in a great deal of trouble that way. Just saying, not thinking.
Rick

Dr. Rick Ely
TVI, Vision Consultant
451 Rocky Hill Road
Florence, MA 01062
&413()  727-3038

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 3:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

Actually, I was thinking the other day, that it won't be long before we have brain implants and everyone will be doing twitter and Face Book via thought.
We'll definitely need self-driving cars then.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 1:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

No we will eventually get a brain implant to communicate instead.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Janet Brandly" <jbrandly@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA


I can see voice activation taking off in a home setting but not in an office
or public setting. Keyboards will be around forever.
Janet

From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The future of NVDA

Hello NVDA community. It’s Sky. I wanted to ask you guys a question.  Will
NVDA be incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader? Because a
friend of mine has told me that in three years everything is going to be
voice activated. Yes we have dictation bridge for Voice activation, but what
my friend means is that in three years, the computers, etc. will all be done
via Voice activation without a keyboard. Here is what he has to say.

From: bj colt [mailto:bjcolt@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: CSUN



Hi Sky,



I just received an email from my local supermarket. I do an on line shop
there every week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google home and other
apps using voice only ordering.



I did say this is the way forward. With Amazon and Google competing, this
voice activation is going to be the next huge thing in computing. I've said
this for a while as you know. The next step is using actual programs/apps
via voice activation. Just watch my friend. VFO is finished, on the way out.
They won't be able to compete in an open market. Not as huge as this one.
Just imagine my friend. At the moment I have my favorites in a shopping
list. Think about the key strokes I need to use to get to them? Then
additional items. I have to do a search of often up to 40 products with a
similar name. arrowing down, tabbing down. Then adding them to my shopping
basket. Going through the dates for delivery and times. Then all the key
strokes in using my card details authorization process. All done with our
voice. At least quarter of the time normally spent shopping. This does spell
the end of VFO.



Everything is going to be voice activated in the next 3 years. There isn't
any other way for web developers to go.



Progress sometimes my friend is slow but when it starts, it is like a high
speed jet aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.



There will be some people who won't change. Or use both methods to carry out
tasks. Now VFO have to utilize jws to act on voice commands. With Dug in
Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of miles behind. Then when
they introduce pay monthly fees. The very fast extinction of jws and other
products will come to a very sudden and dramatic halt. They may think they
have the market share for programs relating of the blind. They don't any
more and they are the ones who are blind and not us.



Live long and prosper, John















Re: The future of NVDA

 

Prediction, and autocorrect can be a blessing but most of the time its not we are not  there yet.

Sadly people, governments and others especially tend to trust the machine, when even if the system, and its software is good, its data may not be.

I wouldn't trust the dataset my speech synth has, though I would trust mostly the pc, the os and the software.

On 6/2/2018 6:55 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I have a story about one user who got so annoyed with the dictation he swore at it, it transcribed all the swear words perfectly of course!

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Pranav Lal" <pranav.lal@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The future of NVDA


Sky,



NVDA already has the ability to use voice commands. See the dictationBridge
add-on from http://dictationbridge.com. Yes, it does require Dragon
Individual Professional or WSR for it to work.



I have used speech-recognition and continue to use it. Speech-recognition is
good for rapid dictation. If I am writing a story, I will dictate it.
However, nothing beats the keyboard when editing. The problem here is the
linear nature of speech output. Sighted users can count how many words to
move forward and say "move forward 10 words."  The blind user can also say
the same thing but how do you count words using speech? Speech-recognition
can be incredibly efficient if you have a large number of commands to handle
your tasks. I cannot say if speech will ever replace the keyboard. I doubt
it will for the reasons other users have outlined. The way is to think of
input methods as complimentary.



Long live NVDA and the keyboard and speech-recognition!

Pranav




Re: The future of NVDA

 

Well a lot of people have reason to be angry with vfo and groups before it.

I pulled out of jaws when I made the jump to win7 happy to upgrade dolphin stuff rather than that.

Business wize there isn't much chance in me upgrading vfo products, of course if I actually start working then I will probably have to use jaws especially if its a custom software package.

It goes without saying that work is all I will use it for though.

On 6/2/2018 6:49 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Sky,


I doubt that voice commands will come to NVDA. I think the keyboard will
still be around for a long time. I don't know if your friend is aware of
this but you have to pay to use something like google shop or whatever it's
called. I do have google home but I don't use it for shopping because I
don't have the money to pay for that service. I'm so sorry that your friend
is so angry with VFO.


Rosemarie


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky
Mundell
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 9:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The future of NVDA


Hello NVDA community. It's Sky. I wanted to ask you guys a question. Will
NVDA be incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader? Because a
friend of mine has told me that in three years everything is going to be
voice activated. Yes we have dictation bridge for Voice activation, but what
my friend means is that in three years, the computers, etc. will all be done
via Voice activation without a keyboard. Here is what he has to say.

From: bj colt [mailto:bjcolt@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: CSUN


Hi Sky,


I just received an email from my local supermarket. I do an on line shop
there every week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google home and other
apps using voice only ordering.


I did say this is the way forward. With Amazon and Google competing, this
voice activation is going to be the next huge thing in computing. I've said
this for a while as you know. The next step is using actual programs/apps
via voice activation. Just watch my friend. VFO is finished, on the way out.
They won't be able to compete in an open market. Not as huge as this one.
Just imagine my friend. At the moment I have my favorites in a shopping
list. Think about the key strokes I need to use to get to them? Then
additional items. I have to do a search of often up to 40 products with a
similar name. arrowing down, tabbing down. Then adding them to my shopping
basket. Going through the dates for delivery and times. Then all the key
strokes in using my card details authorization process. All done with our
voice. At least quarter of the time normally spent shopping. This does spell
the end of VFO.


Everything is going to be voice activated in the next 3 years. There isn't
any other way for web developers to go.


Progress sometimes my friend is slow but when it starts, it is like a high
speed jet aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.


There will be some people who won't change. Or use both methods to carry out
tasks. Now VFO have to utilize jws to act on voice commands. With Dug in
Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of miles behind. Then when
they introduce pay monthly fees. The very fast extinction of jws and other
products will come to a very sudden and dramatic halt. They may think they
have the market share for programs relating of the blind. They don't any
more and they are the ones who are blind and not us.


Live long and prosper, John





Re: The future of NVDA

 

To be honest, since we need to have nvda installed in systems for propper use of secured screens and login prompts, I do wander if we should revisit the graphics intercepter driver deal.

The difference unlike other comercial readers is these shouldn't be the core of the reader, and need to be installed, but if the reader is installed, if that could be an option for the reader to refer to if for example its controler client is not present or there isn't anything else, that could be an option.

Ofcause if the program is to visual then it is.

On the other side, graphics intercepts don't always see things right either.

And I am apposed of requiring intercepts to start with your computer and mangling display drivers and the like especially with entertainment cards that get frequent updates.

If there was a way to have an interception driver addon installed that would do that without it being tied to the system then that would be nice but still its an idea.

In some cases intercepters work well as do virtual cursors.

Most of the modern web controls which a lot of oses now are based on is nvda's strong point.

On 6/2/2018 6:48 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes, I've been helping an ECLO recently who has Jaws provided by Access to work, but she is always cursing it when it acts downright  stupid for no apparent reason. The problem is that only Jaws has scripts written for the software used inside the NHS. This is at the moment a limitation for nvda.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "bob jutzi" <jutzi1@...>
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Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The future of NVDA


And you end up with a monstrosity like Jaws.
I have Jaws as the result of Window-eyes migration, ans it does have some rathe cool features such as the Researchit tool and convenient OCR which now supports flatbed scanners, however, due to my no longer being employed, among other factors, along with the fact that I've used NVDA for over two years, I will probably stick with NVDA as my primary screen reader.  In the time it takes for a full Jaws installation, I can have NVDA up and running.  Plus, it supports the software I use very well.

On 6/1/2018 11:58 AM, Jackie wrote:
Here's my $.02. NVDA is designed to do 1 thing & does it reasonably
well, which is to be a *screen reader.* As such, it should certainly
work w/other software that does speech recognition, but speech
recognition should not in any way be a function of NVDA. You start
trying to incorporate too many functions into a program, & it ends up
doing none of them well.

I was hearing back in 98 how voice recognition was going to be the
bee-all & end-all for computers. Transcriptionists were going to lose
their jobs in droves, all computers would type letter-perfect when you
spoke, etc. Could you imagine an office full of cubicles where
everyone was talking to their machines? It'd be a frickin zoo! We are
certainly reaching a point where dictation to one's device is becoming
an increasing reality, but as a sight-impaired computer user, you've
still got to have something that lets you know what's onscreen. Unless
MS decides to bring Narrator beyond the level of Voiceover, or some
sort of artificial eyesight becomes a reality, (& I'd love nothing
more than to see either of those happen), you'll always need something
like NVDA.

On 6/1/18, The Gamages via Groups.Io
<james.gamage@...> wrote:
Hello Gene,

You are so correct, having been a sighted person, I agree, it is far quicker

to read a document visually than to hear it read out, the eye can assimilate

information far beyond the capabilities of the ear and far quicker.
You also explain vividly the nightmare of trying to edit with voice
commands.
I spent years learning to touch type, I learn from sighted friends and
relatives that they mainly use one or two fingers to type onto a keyboard on

a touch screen, progress?

Like most things, we are stuck with voice output to read things, as blind we

don’t have much choice, so a mixture of technologies is the way to go, we
use the things that suit our needs and leave others to do the same, I’ve
said it before, Long live NVDA.

Best Regards, Jim.

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 11:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The future of NVDA

Your friend is so biased that his opinions about Window-eyes and JAWS are
highly suspect.  And he so much wants something to be so that he
extrapolates without considering very important factors. Whatever happens
to keyboards, some sort of ability for sighted people to do things on a
screen in other means than speech will remain, touch screens, for example.
Consider some examples:

Consider reviewing a rough draft.  Which is faster?  A sighted person is not

going to listen to an entire document being read, looking for alterations to

make in a draft nor is he/she going to waste time telling the word processor

to find the phrase, and continue speaking from the stop of the phrase until

he says start to define the end of the phrase, then take some sort of action

such as delete it.  If he wants to delete a phrase, what is the person going

to do, move to a passage using speech, mark the start of the passage with
speech, then mark the end of the passage with speech then say delete, then
say insert and speak a new passage?  The same with copying and pasting from

one document to another,

And such operations are also far more efficient using a keyboard.  I should

add that I haven't used programs that operate a computer with speech. If
I'm wrong, and people who use such programs know I am wrong, I await
correction.  That's how things appear to me.

What about file management?  Consider using speech to tell a computer you
want to delete fifteen noncontiguous files in a list of two hundred.
Consider how you might do it with speech as opposed to using a keyboard.

And considerations of speed and efficiency are true when using the keyboard

and a screen-reader as well.  I've mainly discussed sighted users because
innovations are developed for sighted users.

Speech will become increasingly popular and powerful.  It won't replace
visual access and manipulation in computers.

I don't use spread sheets but I expect those who do may point out how
cumbersome it would be to use speech with a spread sheet to perform any
somewhat complex series of operations with a screen-reader and some may want

to comment on the visual comparison..

As for JAWS versus Window-eyes, I won't say much but it's not the fault of
JAWS if the person was misled by his college advisor to learn a
screen-reader that has always been a far second in terms of its use in
business and institutions.  He should take his anger at FS, if he must spend

so much time and energy being angry, and direct it where it belongs.  I
could write paragraphs about why JAWS was dominant, some of it because it
got started first in the DOS screen-reader arena, some of it because it
built up all sorts of relationships with institutions, and some because it
was better for more employment situations than Window-eyes. How many years

did Window-eyes refuse to use scripts and limit the functionality of the
screen-reader in a stubborn attempt to distinguish itself from JAWS?
Finally, what did they do?  They used scripts, which they didn't call
scripts, but apps.  They weren't apps, and language should be respected.
Words have meanings and you can't, as one of the carachters does in Through

the Looking Glass, use any word to mean anything desired.

But enough.  I'll leave the discussion to others from this point unless I
have something additional to add.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: The Gamages via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 2:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The future of NVDA

voice commands, fine, but how does your friend check what he has ordered?
just a leap of faith, or a sort of screen reader which tells him, think
about it.

By his closing your friend is a Trekkie, [star trec fan]


Best Regards, Jim.

From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 5:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The future of NVDA

Hello NVDA community. It’s Sky. I wanted to ask you guys a question. Will
NVDA be incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader? Because a
friend of mine has told me that in three years everything is going to be
voice activated. Yes we have dictation bridge for Voice activation, but what

my friend means is that in three years, the computers, etc. will all be done

via Voice activation without a keyboard. Here is what he has to say.

From: bj colt [mailto:bjcolt@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: CSUN



Hi Sky,



I just received an email from my local supermarket. I do an on line shop
there every week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google home and other

apps using voice only ordering.



I did say this is the way forward. With Amazon and Google competing, this
voice activation is going to be the next huge thing in computing. I've said

this for a while as you know. The next step is using actual programs/apps
via voice activation. Just watch my friend. VFO is finished, on the way out.

They won't be able to compete in an open market. Not as huge as this one.
Just imagine my friend. At the moment I have my favorites in a shopping
list. Think about the key strokes I need to use to get to them? Then
additional items. I have to do a search of often up to 40 products with a
similar name. arrowing down, tabbing down. Then adding them to my shopping
basket. Going through the dates for delivery and times. Then all the key
strokes in using my card details authorization process. All done with our
voice. At least quarter of the time normally spent shopping This does spell

the end of VFO.



Everything is going to be voice activated in the next 3 years. There isn't
any other way for web developers to go.



Progress sometimes my friend is slow but when it starts, it is like a high
speed jet aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.



There will be some people who won't change. Or use both methods to carry out

tasks. Now VFO have to utilize jws to act on voice commands. With Dug in
Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of miles behind. Then when
they introduce pay monthly fees. The very fast extinction of jws and other
products will come to a very sudden and dramatic halt. They may think they
have the market share for programs relating of the blind. They don't any
more and they are the ones who are blind and not us.



Live long and prosper, John









Re: The future of NVDA

 

Firstly, if that ever became the day, well and good.

But being opensource I'd like to see nvda continue, there shouldn't just be 1 size fits all.

Next the rest.

Dolphin stuff that may go, but jaws?

Lets see, actually lets not.

I think vfo would sue microsoft or whatever before it died.

Governments have spent so much on it and will continue, jaws is for people with jobs, death is unlikely.

Even if it would stop right now, its not like they go anywhere that fast.

Saying that, dolphin stuff has only just got chrome while everyone else has firefox support for ages.

On 6/2/2018 6:33 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
However on a different tack, In all formats than windows, the operating systems default screenreader is the only one supported. Will there come a day when Narrator is just so good a third party screenreader will be pointless?
What about some kind of collaboration with the narrator team to make a windows system that just works. I certainly am not so vain to imagine that a system like nvda if it were my creation, should be the only game in town. The issue is, will Jaws and Dolphin survive when nvda and Narrator are free to use, and if Narrator can be helped to get everything right, is there any need for nvda?

Devils advocate but a legitimate question I feel.
IE if Narrator had scripting and could then support any software that windows ran, then the programmers out here could concentrate on the scripting of awkward programs.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The future of NVDA


Hello Gene,

You are so correct, having been a sighted person, I agree, it is far quicker
to read a document visually than to hear it read out, the eye can assimilate
information far beyond the capabilities of the ear and far quicker.
You also explain vividly the nightmare of trying to edit  with voice
commands.
I spent years learning to touch type, I learn from sighted friends and
relatives that they mainly use one or two fingers to type onto a keyboard on
a touch screen, progress?

Like most things, we are stuck with voice output to read things, as blind we
don’t have much choice, so a mixture of technologies is the way to go, we
use the things that suit our needs and leave others to do the same, I’ve
said it before, Long live NVDA.

Best Regards, Jim.

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 11:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The future of NVDA

Your friend is so biased that his opinions about Window-eyes and JAWS are
highly suspect.  And he so much wants something to be so that he
extrapolates without considering very important factors.  Whatever happens
to keyboards, some sort of ability for sighted people to do things on a
screen in other means than speech will remain, touch screens, for example.
Consider some examples:

Consider reviewing a rough draft.  Which is faster?  A sighted person is not
going to listen to an entire document being read, looking for alterations to
make in a draft nor is he/she going to waste time telling the word processor
to find the phrase, and continue speaking from the stop of the phrase until
he says start to define the end of the phrase, then take some sort of action
such as delete it.  If he wants to delete a phrase, what is the person going
to do, move to a passage using speech, mark the start of the passage with
speech, then mark the end of the passage with speech then say delete, then
say insert and speak a new passage?  The same with copying and pasting from
one document to another,

And such operations are also far more efficient using a keyboard. I should
add that I haven't used programs that operate a computer with speech.  If
I'm wrong, and people who use such programs know I am wrong, I await
correction.  That's how things appear to me.

What about file management?  Consider using speech to tell a computer you
want to delete fifteen noncontiguous files in a list of two hundred.
Consider how you might do it with speech as opposed to using a keyboard.

And considerations of speed and efficiency are true when using the keyboard
and a screen-reader as well.  I've mainly discussed sighted users because
innovations are developed for sighted users.

Speech will become increasingly popular and powerful.  It won't replace
visual access and manipulation in computers.

I don't use spread sheets but I expect those who do may point out how
cumbersome it would be to use speech with a spread sheet to perform any
somewhat complex series of operations with a screen-reader and some may want
to comment on the visual comparison..

As for JAWS versus Window-eyes, I won't say much but it's not the fault of
JAWS if the person was misled by his college advisor to learn a
screen-reader that has always been a far second in terms of its use in
business and institutions.  He should take his anger at FS, if he must spend
so much time and energy being angry, and direct it where it belongs.  I
could write paragraphs about why JAWS was dominant, some of it because it
got started first in the DOS screen-reader arena, some of it because it
built up all sorts of relationships with institutions, and some because it
was better for more employment situations than Window-eyes.  How many years
did Window-eyes refuse to use scripts and limit the functionality of the
screen-reader in a stubborn attempt to distinguish itself from JAWS?
Finally, what did they do?  They used scripts, which they didn't call
scripts, but apps.  They weren't apps, and language should be respected.
Words have meanings and you can't, as one of the carachters does in Through
the Looking Glass, use any word to mean anything desired.

But enough.  I'll leave the discussion to others from this point unless I
have something additional to add.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: The Gamages via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 2:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The future of NVDA

voice commands, fine, but how does your friend check what he has ordered?
just a leap of faith, or a sort of screen reader which tells him, think
about it.

By his closing your friend is a Trekkie, [star trec fan]


Best Regards, Jim.

From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 5:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The future of NVDA

Hello NVDA community. It’s Sky. I wanted to ask you guys a question.  Will
NVDA be incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader? Because a
friend of mine has told me that in three years everything is going to be
voice activated. Yes we have dictation bridge for Voice activation, but what
my friend means is that in three years, the computers, etc. will all be done
via Voice activation without a keyboard. Here is what he has to say.

From: bj colt [mailto:bjcolt@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: CSUN



Hi Sky,



I just received an email from my local supermarket. I do an on line shop
there every week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google home and other
apps using voice only ordering.



I did say this is the way forward. With Amazon and Google competing, this
voice activation is going to be the next huge thing in computing. I've said
this for a while as you know. The next step is using actual programs/apps
via voice activation. Just watch my friend. VFO is finished, on the way out.
They won't be able to compete in an open market. Not as huge as this one.
Just imagine my friend. At the moment I have my favorites in a shopping
list. Think about the key strokes I need to use to get to them? Then
additional items. I have to do a search of often up to 40 products with a
similar name. arrowing down, tabbing down. Then adding them to my shopping
basket. Going through the dates for delivery and times. Then all the key
strokes in using my card details authorization process. All done with our
voice. At least quarter of the time normally spent shopping This does spell
the end of VFO.



Everything is going to be voice activated in the next 3 years. There isn't
any other way for web developers to go.



Progress sometimes my friend is slow but when it starts, it is like a high
speed jet aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.



There will be some people who won't change. Or use both methods to carry out
tasks. Now VFO have to utilize jws to act on voice commands. With Dug in
Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of miles behind. Then when
they introduce pay monthly fees. The very fast extinction of jws and other
products will come to a very sudden and dramatic halt. They may think they
have the market share for programs relating of the blind. They don't any
more and they are the ones who are blind and not us.



Live long and prosper, John








Re: Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

 

To be honest the trek nx series had probably some sort of buttons, the tos sounds sounded more like control panels which were all switches and that all clicked.

Tng and later, maybe they had touch pads or maybe half keyboards.

Ofcause the future as it is now is that while some stuff clicks if you are a purest you either want things not to sound at all or like me like noise so spend cash on an expensive gaming keyboard that sounds like it used to do in the 80s.

I buy retro chip music so I guess I am that type.

In fact Ih ave just spent about 20 us dollars on some right now.

On 6/2/2018 6:13 AM, JM Casey wrote:
I know this is getting a bit off topic, but by Trek in the 80s (including those movies, even though it was the original crew), all the computers, including the consoles on the Enterprise bridge, had touch pads. So presumably, Scotty was referring to the fact that the keyboard had mechanical/moving parts when he said it was “quaint”, and not because it was a manual interface.


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: June 1, 2018 1:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA


In one of the star trek movies, the one with the whales, Scottie tries talking to a computer, and when someone pointed to the keyboard, he knew what to do, he said something like

Oh, how quaint.

But even in Sci Fi, he knew what to do with it.

Glenn




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Janet Brandly
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 10:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA


I can see voice activation taking off in a home setting but not in an office or public setting. Keyboards will be around forever.

Janet


From: Sky Mundell

Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:40 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] The future of NVDA


Hello NVDA community. It’s Sky. I wanted to ask you guys a question. Will NVDA be incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader? Because a friend of mine has told me that in three years everything is going to be voice activated. Yes we have dictation bridge for Voice activation, but what my friend means is that in three years, the computers, etc. will all be done via Voice activation without a keyboard. Here is what he has to say.

From: bj colt [mailto:bjcolt@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: CSUN


Hi Sky,


I just received an email from my local supermarket. I do an on line shop there every week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google home and other apps using voice only ordering.


I did say this is the way forward. With Amazon and Google competing, this voice activation is going to be the next huge thing in computing. I've said this for a while as you know. The next step is using actual programs/apps via voice activation. Just watch my friend. VFO is finished, on the way out. They won't be able to compete in an open market. Not as huge as this one. Just imagine my friend. At the moment I have my favorites in a shopping list. Think about the key strokes I need to use to get to them? Then additional items. I have to do a search of often up to 40 products with a similar name. arrowing down, tabbing down. Then adding them to my shopping basket. Going through the dates for delivery and times. Then all the key strokes in using my card details authorization process. All done with our voice. At least quarter of the time normally spent shopping. This does spell the end of VFO.


Everything is going to be voice activated in the next 3 years. There isn't any other way for web developers to go.


Progress sometimes my friend is slow but when it starts, it is like a high speed jet aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.


There will be some people who won't change. Or use both methods to carry out tasks. Now VFO have to utilize jws to act on voice commands. With Dug in Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of miles behind. Then when they introduce pay monthly fees. The very fast extinction of jws and other products will come to a very sudden and dramatic halt. They may think they have the market share for programs relating of the blind. They don't any more and they are the ones who are blind and not us.


Live long and prosper, John





Re: Fixing AutoLinks FireFox

Brian's Mail list account
 

I have no idea, as I'm not on facebook. is this perhaps some oddity in the way facebook pages are rendered?
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 7:33 PM
Subject: [nvda] Fixing AutoLinks FireFox


Hi NVDA Users,

When I post an EMail, that contains a URL pasted in the body of the
text, in my email the text is linked, on Facebook, the link
disappears.
It does not appear as a link when viewing the message on Facebook
after posting. See below.
In the Meantime...
Access our Free Past MOOC Course Materials!

& Follow the IWP online:
url q=https%3A%2F%2Fuiowa.us8.…
url q=https%3A%2F%2Fuiowa.us8.…
url q=https%3A%2F%2Fuiowa.us8.…

Is there a way to go into FireFox via about:preferences and change
something to an automatic link all the time?

Or, should I look for a new user-friendly browser?

What is the consensus on Opera, Sea Monkey, or something else for
windows Seven, NVDA 2016? I'm happy with things as they are, aside
from Mozilla. Using a classic version to avoid further hell. Thanks.
David Russell


Re: 30 Minutes To NVDACon 2018...

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Bit late for me. I'm going to bed in an hour!
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Subject: [nvda] 30 Minutes To NVDACon 2018...


Dear NVDA users, developers, and enthusiasts across the globe,

NVDACon, short for the NVDA Users and Developers Conference, your only
opportunity every year to network with NVDA experts, contributors and
fellow beneficiaries is here. NVDACon 2018 begins in no more than 30
minutes from this moment.

With an array of sessions centred around the theme “Futureproofing
NVDA”, we invite you to witness talks from rising stars in the NVDA
Add-ons community, resident NVDA experts, and blindness agencies about
what they have gained and given to NVDA. NVDACon has never been more
diverse, more international, and more community-driven as NVDACon
2018.

Without any further ado, participate in NVDACon 2018 live by joining
us on Teamtalk at the server address nvdacon.org and the two ports set
at 10333. To learn fully about the variety of sessions we have been
hinting at, check out the complete conference schedule at
https://www.nvdacon.org/2018-program-and-schedule.

Like us on Facebook at https://facebook.com/nvdacon and follow us on
Twitter at @nvdacon to receive live updates about the happenings at
the conference. Half an hour still to go, and we have several dozens
of NVDA enthusiasts already filling the lobby. Will you come by too as
we discuss the futureproofing of this 12-year strong transformative
assistive technology product?

Best Regards
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Re: Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

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Afternoon, or at least here it is.
Long time in the past, I did graduate study work on the writing process and computers. Any speech recognition work that was being done then was at Bell Labs or MIT, so there was no consideration of it as a writing tool. What I do know is that the process for experienced writers when composing is far different than the processes we use when speaking. Keyboards or even handwriting provide humans the time to switch between long and short term memory and the time needed to use the mediating steps we use writing. Maybe that is why some folks get in trouble when they speak with no mediation, no comments about just who that might be. I fear Tweeting is more like talking than writing, lots more chance to write what you didn't quite mean.

As to brain implants, I hate the fact that forces out there are tracking every web site I visit and everything I purchase. I am not ready for Google or Amazon to be poking about in my brain. Just speaking for me, I think I could get in a great deal of trouble that way. Just saying, not thinking.
Rick

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Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 3:01 PM
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Actually, I was thinking the other day, that it won't be long before we have brain implants and everyone will be doing twitter and Face Book via thought.
We'll definitely need self-driving cars then.
Glenn


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No we will eventually get a brain implant to communicate instead.

Brian

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Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA


I can see voice activation taking off in a home setting but not in an office
or public setting. Keyboards will be around forever.
Janet

From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The future of NVDA

Hello NVDA community. It’s Sky. I wanted to ask you guys a question. Will
NVDA be incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader? Because a
friend of mine has told me that in three years everything is going to be
voice activated. Yes we have dictation bridge for Voice activation, but what
my friend means is that in three years, the computers, etc. will all be done
via Voice activation without a keyboard. Here is what he has to say.

From: bj colt [mailto:bjcolt@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: CSUN



Hi Sky,



I just received an email from my local supermarket. I do an on line shop
there every week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google home and other
apps using voice only ordering.



I did say this is the way forward. With Amazon and Google competing, this
voice activation is going to be the next huge thing in computing. I've said
this for a while as you know. The next step is using actual programs/apps
via voice activation. Just watch my friend. VFO is finished, on the way out.
They won't be able to compete in an open market. Not as huge as this one.
Just imagine my friend. At the moment I have my favorites in a shopping
list. Think about the key strokes I need to use to get to them? Then
additional items. I have to do a search of often up to 40 products with a
similar name. arrowing down, tabbing down. Then adding them to my shopping
basket. Going through the dates for delivery and times. Then all the key
strokes in using my card details authorization process. All done with our
voice. At least quarter of the time normally spent shopping. This does spell
the end of VFO.



Everything is going to be voice activated in the next 3 years. There isn't
any other way for web developers to go.



Progress sometimes my friend is slow but when it starts, it is like a high
speed jet aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.



There will be some people who won't change. Or use both methods to carry out
tasks. Now VFO have to utilize jws to act on voice commands. With Dug in
Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of miles behind. Then when
they introduce pay monthly fees. The very fast extinction of jws and other
products will come to a very sudden and dramatic halt. They may think they
have the market share for programs relating of the blind. They don't any
more and they are the ones who are blind and not us.



Live long and prosper, John


Re: Easiest Way to Upgrade an Existing Portable Installation

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I'm wondering if he means if you are running a portable version. it will become a lot easier when this next update is released as you can actually download and install portable versions as it knows the path you are running it from, which makes things a whole lot nicer to do.
At the moment, if you have an older version, run it, do a check for updates and the download will end up being done in your default browser, then you can run it as before but you still need to tell it where to overwrite the version you were running. However if that new version is the current rc or master or next snap, you will find that as the download now is handled by the portable copy, it prompts only for install or postpone.
Most of the navigation and browsing for folders is gone, but you can still create new versions or indeed make an installed version from the copy as previously mentioned.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Easiest Way to Upgrade an Existing Portable Installation


Richard,

Well, you don't really update an existing portable copy of NVDA, you just re-create it either during your install of the NVDA update or afterward, following the directions below:

*Creating a Portable Copy of NVDA from the Installed Copy*

1. Open NVDA then the main NVDA menu (NVDA Key+N)

2. Down Arrow to the Tools Submenu, then right Arrow to open the Tools Submenu

3. Down arrow to the Create Portable Copy submenu item and activate.

4. In the Create Portable NVDA dialog, I find it easiest to navigate to the Browse button and activate same to get a Browse dialog to specify the folder where I want the portable copy to be placed. This is almost always a thumb drive or SD Card, but you can create it in a folder on your hard drive and later copy it elsewhere

5. If you wish to copy your current user configuration to the same folder along with the portable copy, then check the Copy current user configuration checkbox

6. If you wish to start the portable copy you're creating immediately after creating it, check the Start the new portable copy after creation checkbox

7. Navigate to the Continue button and activate. Your portable copy will be created in the location you specified in Step 3.



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Re: Why ar NVDA next versions playing two musics when are installing?

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Well I had to use avastclear o is that clean on two machines as ccleaner installed the bloody thing without asking.
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From: "Ângelo Abrantes" <ampa4374@...>
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Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Why ar NVDA next versions playing two musics when are installing?


The problem does not appear while the files are being extracted, at
which point I hear several beeps.

The situation appears immediately after you have answered the NVDA question.

In the next update, I'll try to disable avast, as I'm tempted to think
it might be a virus issue.

Greetings.
Ângelo Abrantes
Angelo Abrantes
Às 13:40 de 01-06-2018, Chris via Groups.Io escreveu:

Is that not normal then?

Whilst it extracts the files?

*From: *Ângelo Abrantes <mailto:ampa4374@...>
*Sent: *01 June 2018 12:21
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Why ar NVDA next versions playing two musics
when are installing?

when I begin to run the installer, after update.

It plays the normal music, and then, before starting the installation,
it plays the same music again.

Greetings.

Ângelo Abrantes

Às 12:13 de 01-06-2018, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Interesting, is this when you first run the installer, or after
you install it and it starts up? And is it a specific amount of
times (twice, three times) or continuously?

In any case, does rebooting help?

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 9:10 PM, Ângelo Abrantes
<ampa4374@... <mailto:ampa4374@...>> wrote:

it's playing it one after the other,and i'm using windows7,

I am using the built-in Realtek audio on my computer.
Thanks.
Ângelo Abrantes
I am using the built-in Realtek audio on my

Às 11:23 de 01-06-2018, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Is it playing it one after the other, or at the same time?

Also, are you running Windows 10 insider builds? I
updated to the Fast Insider build that came out this
morning 17677, and I immediately noticed that I was
getting a crackling, almost reverb effect. If that is the
case, when you reboot the computer, it should go away. I
am using the built-in Realtek audio on my HP desktop, and
it generally works ok.

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 8:15 PM, Ângelo Abrantes
<ampa4374@... <mailto:ampa4374@...>> wrote:

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Re: Why ar NVDA next versions playing two musics when are installing?

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No it normally plays as it launches then presents the options which depend on if its an update on an installed version or portable or new install, then just bleeps as it installs then in some cases you will hear the rising tones as it reboots in after the install but the music no only once.
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Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Why ar NVDA next versions playing two musics when are installing?


Is that not normal then?
Whilst it extracts the files?


From: Ângelo Abrantes
Sent: 01 June 2018 12:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Why ar NVDA next versions playing two musics when are installing?

when I begin to run the installer, after update.
It plays the normal music, and then, before starting the installation, it plays the same music again.

Greetings.
Ângelo Abrantes

Às 12:13 de 01-06-2018, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Interesting, is this when you first run the installer, or after you install it and it starts up? And is it a specific amount of times (twice, three times) or continuously?

In any case, does rebooting help?

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 9:10 PM, Ângelo Abrantes <ampa4374@...> wrote:
it's playing it one after the other,and i'm using windows7,
I am using the built-in Realtek audio on my computer.
Thanks.
Ângelo Abrantes
I am using the built-in Realtek audio on my
Às 11:23 de 01-06-2018, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Is it playing it one after the other, or at the same time?

Also, are you running Windows 10 insider builds? I updated to the Fast Insider build that came out this morning 17677, and I immediately noticed that I was getting a crackling, almost reverb effect. If that is the case, when you reboot the computer, it should go away. I am using the built-in Realtek audio on my HP desktop, and it generally works ok.

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 8:15 PM, Ângelo Abrantes <ampa4374@...> wrote:
Ângelo Abrantes



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