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Request for a new NVDA feature
Akshaya Choudhary
Someone on reddit told me that in Voice Dream Reader you can control the duration of the pauses after punctuation and sentence break. It would be great to have similar feature for NVDA. SAPI 5 voices do provide intonation pauses, but they also provide pauses after command keys, which makes them slow for general navigation. Maybe, we could have a feature enabling the users to toggle between extended pauses and short pauses. For general navigation short pauses will be great, like they are in Espeak, and for reading long documents long pauses would be very helpful, like they are in SAPI 5 voices.
Someone please introduce this feature. -- -- Regards, Sociohack |
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Re: pauses after punctuation and sentence end in different speech synthesizers
Akshaya Choudhary
Hahah, Hazel should definitely get an appearance fee. Someone on reddit told me that in Voice Dream Reader you can control the duration of the pauses after punctuation and sentence break. It would be great to have similar feature for NVDA. SAPI 5 voices do provide intonation pauses, but they also provide pauses after command keys, which makes them slow for general navigation. Maybe, we could have a feature enabling the users to toggle between extended pauses and short pauses. For general navigation short pauses will be great, like they are in Espeak, and for reading long documents long pauses would be very helpful, like they are in SAPI 5 voices. |
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Re: difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one o' those)
Gene
Did you follow the link to the page for the
specific product? Once there, how did you look at the page? There
are buttons on the page that say things like purchase CD. It appears you
didn't see them. Did you use the links list, that limits the
structures you are looking for to one structure? Did you only move by link
through the page by using a move to next link command? Don't limit what
you look for by structure on an unfamiliar page. If you are taking a short
cut to save time, use something that stops on almost every structure. Tab
Does. But I don't think tab stops on clickable items that aren't links so
even using tab, you may miss the structure. If you don't see it, then do
it the hard way. Read or skim each line of the page below the navigation
links at the top until you get to the navigation links, if any, at the
bottom.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:56 AM
Subject: [nvda] difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one o'
those) Hello everyone.
I’ve recently had an interest in a small, independent company based in the UK that creates audio dramas and adaptations of some horror classics. They are called Bafflegab Productions, and this is their site:
I must admit that I’ve been stymied by this website. Everything *appears* to be accessible enough, except for the key element: the ability to shop for and download their materials. I’ve tried both Firefox ESR and IE so far, and used both NVDA 18.3 and JAWS 18. I’ve hunted around the site, and the only clue I’ve found so far is a reference to bandcamp in the FAQ. Having noticed some recent frustrating issues with bandcamp and screen-readers, I know this could potentially be a problem, however I do not see how this could be preventing links to shop, log in or create an account, etc, from being visible to screen-readers.
I’ve already written the head man at the company about this and explained my difficulty, but I’m writing to the list to see if anyone else wants to have a go, and/or can point me to something I might be missing that might clue me in as to how one goes about acquiring anything from these fellows if not a mouse/screen user. I haven’t yet had a sighted person look at the website to see what they might make of it, but that’s also a next step. I’m hoping to get some kind of accessibility dialogue going with the company, so am trying to gather more info that might not immediately be apparent to me. Then again, it could be that I’m just missing something terribly obvious that someone else here could point out! So, what does anyone here make of it?
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difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one o' those)
JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
Hello everyone.
I’ve recently had an interest in a small, independent company based in the UK that creates audio dramas and adaptations of some horror classics. They are called Bafflegab Productions, and this is their site:
I must admit that I’ve been stymied by this website. Everything *appears* to be accessible enough, except for the key element: the ability to shop for and download their materials. I’ve tried both Firefox ESR and IE so far, and used both NVDA 18.3 and JAWS 18. I’ve hunted around the site, and the only clue I’ve found so far is a reference to bandcamp in the FAQ. Having noticed some recent frustrating issues with bandcamp and screen-readers, I know this could potentially be a problem, however I do not see how this could be preventing links to shop, log in or create an account, etc, from being visible to screen-readers.
I’ve already written the head man at the company about this and explained my difficulty, but I’m writing to the list to see if anyone else wants to have a go, and/or can point me to something I might be missing that might clue me in as to how one goes about acquiring anything from these fellows if not a mouse/screen user. I haven’t yet had a sighted person look at the website to see what they might make of it, but that’s also a next step. I’m hoping to get some kind of accessibility dialogue going with the company, so am trying to gather more info that might not immediately be apparent to me. Then again, it could be that I’m just missing something terribly obvious that someone else here could point out! So, what does anyone here make of it?
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Re: pauses after punctuation and sentence end in different speech synthesizers
I tried to find a way to do this not too long ago. I sometimes use NVDA to perform poetry I've written at my poetry readings, but the answers I received were that the length of pauses is not controlable via NVDA, it is dependent on whichever voice you are using.
You basically have the length of a comma and the length of a full stop / period, and that's it. I do not detect any difference in the length of pause for a semicolon compared to a comma. There is no way to use two full stops to get a double length pause, nor to combine a comma with a full stop to get like a full stop and a half of pausing! Likewise, with my preferred poetry performance voice, Hazel (Microsoft SAPI5) there is no raised intonation to indicate a question mark, where in other voices (Microsoft Zira, for example) the question mark is clearly audible. I used to own a pair of Orcam glasses and ran into the same problem with the length of pauses with that system. Just the comma / semicolon and the full stop were the only two pauses. Dashes, m-dashes and n-dashes produce no pause at all in any of the voices I've tried. One thing that made me smile was that I'm scheduled to read in Torquay, south England, in October and on the flyers my event is listed as Giles and Hazel ... maybe I can make a case for Hazel getting an appearance fee too ;) Sorry not to have better news on the pausing question. I remain hopeful that one day a solution will be found for this, but I think it lies in the hands of the creators of the different voices. Giles |
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How Do I Efficiently Navigate Websites Using Dynamic onMouseOver Menus with NVDA?
Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
Good day,
I frequent several websites that use this annoying dynamic onMouseOver menu system to reach various sub sections of their site. Meaning you have a bunch of properly tagged graphics or text placed horizontally along the top of the page. Hover the mouse over one and a menu of options would dynamically appear vertically beneath it. Then you navigate the mouse cursor to one, and left click it. You'll then be taken to the associated sub section. Is there an efficient way of navigating such dynamic menus using NVDA Version: alpha-15495,f2cc115c? I use Google Chrome and MS Edge as my web browser. Thanks. -Kenny |
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Re: nvda + firefox has bug about donamically combo box?
Jonathan COHN
Try running the page with the Firefox console visible and see if it generates any errors. To open the Firefox console use control-shift-K or open the tools menu and go to web authoring.
The Firefox console uses a live region, so NVDA should speak any updates in the consule while it is visible. Jonathan Cohn On 7/13/18, 2:25 AM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of 特種兵" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of afreettears@...> wrote: hi all: I think I found a bug in the Firefox browser that NVDA actually does. In a web page, changing the value of the combo box also dynamically changes the value of the subsequent edit area. In this case, we all use the brows mode and set to manually switch between focus mode and browse mode. Using the results of the nvda + firefox test, when you first change the combo box from "personal" to "company", you can get the latest title when using the tab key to the editing area, which is the "company name" and "company pc. But when we change the value of the combo box from the "company" to the "personal" again, we use the tab again to move to the editing area. The title we hear is still the company name and the company pc. Both the changed innerHTML and innerText properties have the same status. But using nvda with other browsers like google chrome or internet explorer or even edge can hear the correct title in any situation. I provide a web page of my own design for everyone to test and see. I found the results of the three computers are the same. This has nothing to do with the NVDA or Firefox version, because I have tested several combinations and the results are the same. Has anyone found this interesting question? Http://logo.gaga.tw/test_change_label_innerhtml.html -- thank you for much Logo Kuo from Taiwan |
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Re: nvda + firefox has bug about donamically combo box?
do you change combo box over 2 times? thank you for much Logo Kuo from Taiwan Chris via Groups.Io 於 2018/7/13 下午
04:12 寫道:
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Re: chrome not that accessible in m.facebook.com
Robert Mendoza
Hi, what specific extensions do we need to install in Chrome to make the m.facebook works in Google. Care to share the link.
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Robert Mendoza On 7/13/2018 4:07 PM, Simone Dal Maso wrote:
if you want that m.facebook.com works for example like in Firefox, you should install an extension in Chrome that change your user agent. |
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Re: Problem with Skype
P. Otter
thanks, this is clear!
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cheers paul otter Op 13-7-2018 om 09:52 schreef David
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Re: nvda + firefox has bug about donamically combo box?
Chris
Nope, works ok here :D
From: 特種兵
Sent: 13 July 2018 07:22 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] nvda + firefox has bug about donamically combo box?
hi all:
I think I found a bug in the Firefox browser that NVDA actually does. In a web page, changing the value of the combo box also dynamically changes the value of the subsequent edit area. In this case, we all use the brows mode and set to manually switch between focus mode and browse mode. Using the results of the nvda + firefox test, when you first change the combo box from "personal" to "company", you can get the latest title when using the tab key to the editing area, which is the "company name" and "company pc. But when we change the value of the combo box from the "company" to the "personal" again, we use the tab again to move to the editing area. The title we hear is still the company name and the company pc. Both the changed innerHTML and innerText properties have the same status. But using nvda with other browsers like google chrome or internet explorer or even edge can hear the correct title in any situation. I provide a web page of my own design for everyone to test and see. I found the results of the three computers are the same. This has nothing to do with the NVDA or Firefox version, because I have tested several combinations and the results are the same. Has anyone found this interesting question?
Http://logo.gaga.tw/test_change_label_innerhtml.html
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thank you for much Logo Kuo from Taiwan
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Re: chrome not that accessible in m.facebook.com
Simone Dal Maso
if you want that m.facebook.com works for example like in Firefox, you should install an extension in Chrome that change your user agent.
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In fact the mobile version of Chrome is different from the mobile version of Firefox. I solved in this manner and now it works well! Il 12/07/2018 21:33, Davy Cuppens ha scritto:
Mmm I find that this is not a nvda problem, it is not accessible as well with jfw18. |
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Re: Problem with Skype
David Moore
Hi! The Skype app has become much more accessible! Here is a table of key commands for the skype app. The table gives the Windows and the Mac command for each action. Here it is: What are hotkeys and how do I use them in Skype? Keyboard shortcuts are specific combinations of two or more keys on your keyboard. They make it easier and faster for you to use commands that you would otherwise have to access via the menus. You can use keyboard shortcuts to easily quit Skype, send a file, copy text and a lot more. Hotkeys in Skype (version 8) for Windows Desktop, and Mac Windows desktop Hotkey Mac Hotkey Action Not applicable [Command]+[1] Open the main Skype window Ctrl + I [Command]+Shift+[O] Open Notification panel Ctrl + , (Ctrl + comma) [Command]+[Comma] Open app settings Ctrl + H Not applicable Open Help in default browser Ctrl + D [Command]+[2] Launch main dial pad Ctrl + N [Command]+[N] Start new conversation Ctrl + G [Command]+[G] New group Ctrl + F [Command]+[F] Search for all contacts, messages and bots Ctrl + Shift + S [Command]+Shift+[S] Search within selected message Alt + 1 Not applicable Navigate to recent chats Alt + 2 [Command]+Shift+[C] Open contacts Alt + 3 [Command]+Shift+[B] Open contact screen to bots Ctrl + O [Command]+Option+[O] Send feedback Ctrl + R [Command]+[R] Refresh the app Ctrl + T [Command]+[T] Open themes Ctrl + Shift + T [Command]+Shift+[T] Toggle between light and dark mode Use Alt + V to bring up the View menu to zoom in, out, or return to actual size Ctrl + Shift + = to zoom in Ctrl + - to zoom out Ctrl + 0 for actual size Use the View button to zoom in, out, or return to actual size [Command]+[+] to zoom in [Command]+[-] to zoom out [Command]+[0] for actual size Zoom in, zoom out, or view actual size Up arrow after sending a message [Command]+Shift+[E] Edit the last message sent Ctrl + P [Command]+[I] Show conversation profile Ctrl + Shift + A [Command]+Shift+[A] Add people to conversation Ctrl + Shift + U [Command]+Shift+[U] Mark as unread Ctrl + Shift + K [Command]+Shift+[K] Start a video call Ctrl + Shift + P [Command]+Shift+[R] Start an audio call Ctrl + Shift + F [Command]+Shift+[F] Send a file Enter Return Start a PSTN call Ctrl + Shift + G [Command]+Shift+[G] Open gallery Ctrl + S [Command]+[S] Take a snapshot Ctrl + E [Command]+Shift+[H] Hang up Ctrl + M [Command]+Shift+[M] Toggle mute Down Arrow [Command]+[Down Arrow] Select the next message in the chat list Up Arrow [Command]+[Up Arrow] Select the previous message in the chat list
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From: P. Otter
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 2:12 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Skype
hi, tell me about it! Op 12-7-2018 om 23:16 schreef David Moore:
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pauses after punctuation and sentence end in different speech synthesizers
Akshaya Choudhary
I have observed, Espeak and Eloquence provide a very brief pause after punctuation and sentence break, when compared to other synthesizers. Even the pause after pressing command keys is shorter. For example, while navigating a simple list menu with arrow keys, NVDA would say, DOWN ARROW, then it would speak the next item after a very brief pause. Although, I find this very useful for navigating around different applications, but for serious study of a document, it is annoying. For this purpose i prefer to use SAPI 5.
-- While reading large documents it is helpful to have slightly longer pauses, it helps you understand the text better, which is exactly the role of punctuation. Especially while reading literary works. Is there a feature in NVDA which could let us control the duration of the pause, like we can do with speed and pitch? Regards, Sociohack |
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nvda + firefox has bug about donamically combo box?
hi all:
I think I found a bug in the Firefox browser that NVDA actually does. In a web page, changing the value of the combo box also dynamically changes the value of the subsequent edit area. In this case, we all use the brows mode and set to manually switch between focus mode and browse mode. Using the results of the nvda + firefox test, when you first change the combo box from "personal" to "company", you can get the latest title when using the tab key to the editing area, which is the "company name" and "company pc. But when we change the value of the combo box from the "company" to the "personal" again, we use the tab again to move to the editing area. The title we hear is still the company name and the company pc. Both the changed innerHTML and innerText properties have the same status. But using nvda with other browsers like google chrome or internet explorer or even edge can hear the correct title in any situation. I provide a web page of my own design for everyone to test and see. I found the results of the three computers are the same. This has nothing to do with the NVDA or Firefox version, because I have tested several combinations and the results are the same. Has anyone found this interesting question? Http://logo.gaga.tw/test_change_label_innerhtml.html -- thank you for much Logo Kuo from Taiwan |
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Re: Problem with Skype
P. Otter
hi, tell me about it!
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for a long time from the begin it was'nt accessible. for example, it was'nt possible to pickup a call with a shortcut. also to end a call. if it is changed, tell me about it. as far i know it was not accessible. thanks in advance paul otter Op 12-7-2018 om 23:16 schreef David
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Re: Automatic Language Switching
George Zaynoun
But this is only for NVDA, where to find it? I want something that works for any screen reader preferably.
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Original message: you can try to use dual voice thank you for much George Zaynoun 於 2018/7/13 下午 01:29 寫道:Hello! --
Georges Zeinoun Timmerv. 6A ITR LGH1102, 54163 SKÖVDE SWEDEN Tel: +46 (500) 48 29 29 Mobile: +46 (70) 366 63 29 |
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Re: Automatic Language Switching
you can try to use dual voice
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it is a nvda addon but I have not check is to use those synthesizer thank you for much Logo Kuo from Taiwan George Zaynoun 於 2018/7/13 下午 01:29 寫道: Hello! |
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Automatic Language Switching
George Zaynoun
Hello!
I have to read/write much in English, Swedish and Arabic. I have purchased the Code Factory Sapi5 Vocalizer tts but although I check detect language if there is say Arabic and English in the text when I make say all or read line by line it misses the Arabic and speaks the English words only, unless I read with ctrl+arrows only then I can listen to both languages. Is there a solution to this problem and if not is there an app that can mix synthesizers regardless of make and whether Sapi5 or not say like auto tts on the phone but for windows? Thanks. -- Georges Zeinoun Timmerv. 6A ITR LGH1102, 54163 SKÖVDE SWEDEN Tel: +46 (500) 48 29 29 Mobile: +46 (70) 366 63 29 |
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Introducing Windows 10 Technologies Preview (NVDA try build) version 1807
Hi all,
I’m delighted to announce the availability of Windows 10 Technologies Preview version 1807. This NVDA try build includes latest technologies from Windows 10, as well as needed pull requests for various Windows 10 features.
Background: with changes to release process from NV Access announced in July 2018, next branch is no more. This branch included several pull requests on Windows 10 features, including emoji panel support, Edge improvements and others.
To bring some of these features back for public testing, and to prove that NVDA community does care about Windows 10 development, I’ll release Windows 10 Technologies Preview on a regular basis. These previews are designed to gather early feedback on NVDA’s compatibility with various Windows 10 features and apps, as well as serving as a testbed for incorporating features from Windows 10 App Essentials add-on into NVDA core itself. As such, these try builds are based on master branch with several pull request branches added (by the way, this is more of a resurrection, as I did a similar thing back in 2016 when I released try builds compatible with Windows 10 Version 1607/Anniversary Update).
As of Version 1807 (build 15530), the following features are ready for feedback:
Try build link:
IMPORTANT: this is NOT a try build from NV Access. You are welcome to install it, but it may not support update checks (I recommend using this build as a portable copy).
If you have any feedback regarding this build (suggestions, bug reports, questions, comments, concerns and what not), please email me privately.
Thanks. Cheers, Joseph |
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