Hello,

It is Mike who was talking to you all earlier about copy and paste. I am now on my personal e-mail.

I want to clarify what was said about the copy and paste system on the web needing to be perfected, for NVDA to be adequate for college and employment. Let us take a moment to think about what NVDA does for us, because of the hundreds if not thousands of man hours of development put into this. I pulled down the source from GitHub, after talking with Joseph Lee, to gain an appreciation of what goes into building this thing. It is incredible. I work for the Boeing Company. That is right. It is the same company that builds all the airplanes and Defense, Space, and security systems. I use NVDA as my primary screen reader in Git BASH, and Visual Studio Code. NVDA is what helped me build the Angular template for Boeing’s frontend architecture reference implementation. I only ever turn on JAWS, if I am using something highly proprietary like Citrix.

Do I think NVDA could use some improvements that proprietary screen readers have? Absolutely, but we must also remember the imperfections of proprietary readers. NVDA is the best reader I have found that supports Notepad++ and SQL Server Management Studio where JAWS repeats the lines, when I down arrow. JAWS is also way more heavyweight, and crashes over the simplest things. I cannot remember the last time NVDA froze.

Overall, what we need is an attitude of gratitude. NVDA is plenty suited for education and employment, despite its imperfection and need for a bit of improvement. Let me close out by saying use Microsoft Narrator full-time for education and employment, or even Orca for Linux. They do not have half the shit NVDA does.

Thank you so much for taking the time to volunteer and develop NVDA. Keep up the great work! I will use NVDA until the day I die over JAWS.

Mighty Mike

Brian,

Could you please provide an example I know JAWS has keystrokes to jump to mouseover / clickable elements but was having trouble tracking down a recent issue on an non-NVDA system relating to over-verbosity of JAWS in some circumstances.

Thanks,
Jonathan Cohn
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I notice that the latest version of Jaws is now  flagging these clickable elements on web sites. is this a good thing, and should nvda be doing the same?
 Brian

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If enter and/or spacebar will not click the buttons, how about routing the
mouse pointer and left clicking?

George

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From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 3:19 PM
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Subject: [nvda] The Essential Video Recorder

Greetings everyone,

I recently downloaded from Microsoft website the Essential Video
Recorder, but I have not been able to use it with NVDA.
I pressed enter on start recording button but did not work. Other
buttons did not function, either.
Has anyone of you tried it?
I would appreciate your comments.
Nevzat

Hi,
Press Alt+Shift+F
To open the file menu, and arrow to the right to get to the other menus. If you just press Alt+F, for example, it activates the browser menu bar, but you want to activate the Google Docs menu bar.
Pressing Alt+Shift+E, will open the edit menu, for example.
So, you just add the Shift to open the Docs file!
David Moore

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Subject: [nvda] NVDA uasage with Google Docs

When in Google Docs regardless the browser, be it Chrome, Firefox, etc,
how when in the body typing along of a document do you access the doc's
menu bar instead of the main browser menu bar? Isn't it F10? I'm just
trying to remember.


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and you should be good to go.


Chris.

Hi,
whenever NVDA come across something as LV CD XX XXX XXX etc will processed as numbers where I want to stop such process, how would I be able to do that?

Thanks,
William

Hi,
Press Alt+Shift+F
To open the file menu, and arrow to the right to get to the other menus. If you just press Alt+F, for example, it activates the browser menu bar, but you want to activate the Google Docs menu bar.
Pressing Alt+Shift+E, will open the edit menu, for example.
So, you just add the Shift to open the Docs file!
David Moore

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Subject: [nvda] NVDA uasage with Google Docs

When in Google Docs regardless the browser, be it Chrome, Firefox, etc,
how when in the body typing along of a document do you access the doc's
menu bar instead of the main browser menu bar? Isn't it F10? I'm just
trying to remember.


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Chris.

Anyone have any experiences with a system cleaner called BleachBit?

John. I’m sure that will still work TW Blue, Open Tween, etc. still
work even your other 3rd party apps on other platforms such as IOS
still work. Only thing you won’t get unless you use the official
Twitter on IOS is push notifications. Streaming Tweets are gone, but
you’ll still receive them every couple of minutes.



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Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 1:32:26 PM
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Subject: [nvda] Twitter clients that work well with NVDA?

Hi all. Due to the changes in Twitter, I might have to change Twitter
clients. I'm using Chicken Nugget but rumor has it that it might not
be
updated. So anybody got a recommendation for a client that works with
NVDA and works with the new Twitter changes? I hear a lot about TWBlue
and Tween. Ideally I'd like something pretty close to Nugget so I
don't
have to learn a ton of new stuff. I have no idea what's out there
though, so figured I'd better ask.

Well the new changes just mean no streaming.

I do use nugget for tweats, and to check things when away and for direct messages.

But I check the main twitter site daily and while I don't always get everything for that day I get enough of it that I am fine.



On 8/20/2018 5:32 AM, John Isige wrote:

Hi all. Due to the changes in Twitter, I might have to change Twitter clients. I'm using Chicken Nugget but rumor has it that it might not be updated. So anybody got a recommendation for a client that works with NVDA and works with the new Twitter changes? I hear a lot about TWBlue and Tween. Ideally I'd like something pretty close to Nugget so I don't have to learn a ton of new stuff. I have no idea what's out there though, so figured I'd better ask.



.

Hi all. Due to the changes in Twitter, I might have to change Twitter clients. I'm using Chicken Nugget but rumor has it that it might not be updated. So anybody got a recommendation for a client that works with NVDA and works with the new Twitter changes? I hear a lot about TWBlue and Tween. Ideally I'd like something pretty close to Nugget so I don't have to learn a ton of new stuff. I have no idea what's out there though, so figured I'd better ask.

Hi,
The best method right now is to use NVDA with log level set to debug
warning, which should be done by add-on authors themselves. I used this
method to catch last-minute wxPython 4 deprecation warnings and wrote fixes
in NVDA Core.
To help add-on authors and users become aware of issues with future NVDA
releases, I propose a community-wide outreach campaign. This campaign should
inform add-on authors and third-party NVDA developers of what's coming in
future NVDA releases, especially when we do transition to Python 3. This
outreach campaign should also be used to inform users as to what to expect
with NVDA and add-ons in the future, as well as provide a way to let folks
report issues with add-ons that causes issues and warnings to be logged in
NVDA log. Lastly, the community should be given a chance to maintain
orphaned add-ons in preparation for future NVDA Core changes (orphaned
add-ons are those that are no longer maintained by their authors).
For reviewers: once start of Python 3 transition is declared, I propose that
we offer Python 3 compatibility as part of optional reviews package, and
then do compatibility checks as part of basic review once NVDA fully
transitions to Python 3.
Cheers,
Joseph

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It is noted that although no errors of the audio alert kind occur on beta
and alpha snaps for error warnings about add ons that seem to be suggesting
that code is being deprecated and will not be supported, or indeed the
syntax is incorrect.
So as most people will not notice these as they are silent, who is
reporting the possible issues, and where are they reporting them to?
is there a central clearing site for add ons?
Also it did occur to me that folk who might rely on some add ons might need
an audible warning of a potential issue on a future version of nvda, so
maybe a well publicised add on for nvda which allows add on errors to be
flagged audible might be an idea now. it will be too late when the new code
mucks it up.
I'm assuming that these warnings are just that at the moment, ie, since the
add ons seem to be still doing what they do.
The two I've noted thus far are the sound schemes on and mp3 direct cut,
but since there has been no audio warning, I'd have no idea the warnings
existed and neither would anyone else as they are just warnings and hence
silent.


I'm sure the authors would be glad of such a facility to monitor the
problems coming up, as nobody is going to study the complexities of the
changing code in nvda all the time.
Lastly as in most of the error warnings I've seen suggestions are made for
what to do to fix them, some bright person might like to make an auto
correction tool. OK pi in the sky.. Pun intended.
Brian

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