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report symbols

Martin Thomas Swaton
 

Hi together,


I use the addon report symbols to hear what symbols I type, even if I have characters not spoken.


I would like to change the behaviour of this as follows:
currently when typing e.g. "hello." this is spoken right after pressing the "."
I would like to have  it spoken after pressing "space" as with numbers or normal words.
so I would like to hear the whole "hello." after pressing "space"

why?
because of two things:

1. when typing  fast, you would not hear the word "hello" because after pressing "space" it would be stopped from being read.

2. when typing something like "hello.1" you never would get that spoken as one string.

How could I get that running? Could it be added as an option to the plugin or would I have to code the plugin myself?

Thanks for any help,
Martin


NVDA suggestion

Steve Nutt
 

Hi all,

 

When you press Control-Y and go to a folder in outlook 2016, I wonder why NVDA doesn’t read the number of unread messages and you traverse down the folders list?  They are visibly on the screen, and JAWS and Window-Eyes reads them.

 

Would be nice to have.

 

Mind you, Outlook 2016 is pretty unusable with NVDA as it stands, because of the frequent crashing when moving to folders.

 

The latest JAWS 18.4.321 has hacked around and fixed this problem.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Re: NVDA Country Subgroups

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes quite so, probably specific Arabic word processors perhaps?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Country Subgroups


On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 08:24 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:


Yes the next thing you will need is an issues tracker in all the
languages.
Most likely not, in reality. As a general rule trouble tickets/issues must be submitted using the system for doing so dictated by the developers and using the native language (or agreed shared language) of the developers (and very often that's English).

There are limits to how much anyone who's developing software can be expected to do with regard to dealing with issues. I don't know of a single project (though there have to be some) where multi-lingual issue tracking is done.
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Re: HTML email [was: Re: [nvda] Download of the Weather Plus add-on]

 

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 08:23 am, Gene wrote:
I've seen very little about this but I think I read somewhere that sending HTML only messages is mor common than it used to be.
Much more common than it once was, and mostly because plain-text e-mail (and other cyber-written media like text messages) is dead, for all practical intents and purposes, except in some very small niches.

Any contemporary and updated e-mail client should be able to gracefully render an HTML formatted e-mail message in plain text if the user employs a force to plain text option.  If it's not then something's either wrong with that client software or the structure of the HTML formatted message itself, which can occasionally happen.
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     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

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Re: HTML email [was: Re: [nvda] Download of the Weather Plus add-on]

Chris
 

I see that as plain text, but not your other message

 

 

From: Kostadin Kolev
Sent: 02 October 2017 16:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: HTML email [was: Re: [nvda] Download of the Weather Plus add-on]

 

Hello Gene,

My was the problematic message. I use Mozilla Thunderbird version 52.3.0. I've started sending messages only in HTML a long time ago, but only now someone complains that they are hard to read when viewing them as plain text due to the HTML code showing in the plain text. The HTML code shouldn't show in a message when viewing it as plain text, but in this case apparently it does. One of the persons having problems with my message is using KMail under Linux and the other is probably viewing it via the groups.io interface via a web browser, though I don't know if this matters or not. The unusual thing in my problematic message were a few (two, to be exact) emojies that I've inserted via the "Emoticons" add-on for NVDA. Maybe that caused the issue - I don't know. If it is that, in the future I'll try to avoid inserting emojies in my messages (at least for this list).

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 2.10.2017 г. в 18:23, Gene написа:

It may be that a text message should be sent.  It might be useful to know what e-mail application is being used by the original sender. 

 

I've seen very little about this but I think I read somewhere that sending HTML only messages is mor common than it used to be.  I'm curious to know what e-mail programs have problems rendering such messages when reading mail as plain text?  What program are you using?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Chris

Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 10:09 AM

Subject: Re: HTML email [was: Re: [nvda] Download of the Weather Plus add-on]

 

I get the same

 

I don’t know what has happened in that particular message but its showing the html code along with the message in plain text, so is difficult to read with a scfeen reader

I don’t see this happening very often but I’m pretty sure it wont be the mail app I’m using

But rather how the  message was created by the sender

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: 02 October 2017 15:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: HTML email [was: Re: [nvda] Download of the Weather Plus add-on]

 

Which e-mail program are you using?  I am reading mail as plain text and I have no such problems.  You may have problems elsewhere and it might be useful to discuss the matter.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 7:42 AM

Subject: HTML email [was: Re: [nvda] Download of the Weather Plus add-on]

 

Please could you avoid posting HTML-only emails to the list?

Post either plain-text or plain-text plus HTML, but please not just the HTML.

It makes things very difficult to read for those of us who prefer text-only
email.

Thanks,

Antony.

On Monday 02 October 2017 at 14:36:21, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

> <html>
>   <head>
>     <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
>   </head>
>   <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
>     <p>Hello Ollie,<br>
>     </p>
>     <p>That is why I use Firefox.
😀 I don't know which browser he used.
>       I can't force him to use a specific browser, even if I know that
>       browser may be the best one.
😀 I told him to change the extension
>       and that worked. But do I have to tell that to everyone that
>       downloads that add-on with the "wrong" browser? And that is not
>       the point. As I said - why it does not happen to other add-ons on
>       the same website? The problem is with this specific add-on and
>       that is the main reason why I've reported it and I mentioned the
>       specific add-on with which it occurs. Otherwise  I would have
>       reported this as affecting the whole NVDA add-ons website.<br>
>     </p>
>     <p>______<br>
>       Best wishes,<br>
>       Kostadin Kolev</p>

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Re: NVDA Country Subgroups

 

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 08:24 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Yes the next thing you will need is an issues tracker in all the languages.
Most likely not, in reality.   As a general rule trouble tickets/issues must be submitted using the system for doing so dictated by the developers and using the native language (or agreed shared language) of the developers (and very often that's English).

There are limits to how much anyone who's developing software can be expected to do with regard to dealing with issues.   I don't know of a single project (though there have to be some) where multi-lingual issue tracking is done.
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Re: HTML email [was: Re: [nvda] Download of the Weather Plus add-on]

Chris
 

I’m using the win10 mail app

 

And usually it renders html ok with no issue

 

So why it didn’t with that particular message is a mystery

 

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: 02 October 2017 16:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: HTML email [was: Re: [nvda] Download of the Weather Plus add-on]

 

It may be that a text message should be sent.  It might be useful to know what e-mail application is being used by the original sender. 

 

I've seen very little about this but I think I read somewhere that sending HTML only messages is mor common than it used to be.  I'm curious to know what e-mail programs have problems rendering such messages when reading mail as plain text?  What program are you using?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Chris

Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 10:09 AM

Subject: Re: HTML email [was: Re: [nvda] Download of the Weather Plus add-on]

 

I get the same

 

I don’t know what has happened in that particular message but its showing the html code along with the message in plain text, so is difficult to read with a scfeen reader

I don’t see this happening very often but I’m pretty sure it wont be the mail app I’m using

But rather how the  message was created by the sender

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: 02 October 2017 15:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: HTML email [was: Re: [nvda] Download of the Weather Plus add-on]

 

Which e-mail program are you using?  I am reading mail as plain text and I have no such problems.  You may have problems elsewhere and it might be useful to discuss the matter.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 7:42 AM

Subject: HTML email [was: Re: [nvda] Download of the Weather Plus add-on]

 

Please could you avoid posting HTML-only emails to the list?

Post either plain-text or plain-text plus HTML, but please not just the HTML.

It makes things very difficult to read for those of us who prefer text-only
email.

Thanks,

Antony.

On Monday 02 October 2017 at 14:36:21, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

> <html>
>   <head>
>     <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
>   </head>
>   <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
>     <p>Hello Ollie,<br>
>     </p>
>     <p>That is why I use Firefox. 😀 I don't know which browser he used.
>       I can't force him to use a specific browser, even if I know that
>       browser may be the best one. 😀 I told him to change the extension
>       and that worked. But do I have to tell that to everyone that
>       downloads that add-on with the "wrong" browser? And that is not
>       the point. As I said - why it does not happen to other add-ons on
>       the same website? The problem is with this specific add-on and
>       that is the main reason why I've reported it and I mentioned the
>       specific add-on with which it occurs. Otherwise  I would have
>       reported this as affecting the whole NVDA add-ons website.<br>
>     </p>
>     <p>______<br>
>       Best wishes,<br>
>       Kostadin Kolev</p>

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Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized voice pack cost

Steve Nutt
 

Not you by the way, Windows 98 machines.  Such discussions are a bit moot now, you can’t compare features like that from a Windows 98 machine, to Windows 10.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 02 October 2017 16:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized voice pack cost

 

Blimey, talk about dinosaurs. <Smile>.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 02 October 2017 05:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized voice pack cost

 

I may have been running the feature on a really old Windows 98 machine at the time so my results may not be relevant.  But I hope an interesting discussion results.

 

Gene

 

From: Kwork

Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 11:22 PM

Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized voice pack cost

 

Interesting to know. I would wonder if the lag is still there in this age of speedier processors, etc. I don't know if it would be worth the trade-off if it would slow things down too much for on-the-fly filtering.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 8:40 PM

Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized voice pack cost

 

That is a useful feature if someone's program uses greater than signs for quoted material.  I don't know how many programs don't use such signs.  Windows Live Mail doesn't and I wonder if Outlook does.  If neither of these programs use such signs, then a good deal of the usefulness of the feature is defeated.  Also, I played with the feature many years ago.  I don't recall if this might have been because I was using a very slow old computer at the time or not, but my recollection is that it moved through lines slowly, and thus caused annoying delays while waiting for the unfiltered material to be found.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kwork

Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 12:46 PM

Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized voice pack cost

 

For me, it's simple. If there are greater than signs at the top of a
message, or some sort of header indicating that the originally quoted
message is first, I've already lost interest in what the reply is, so I've
already deleted and moved on. If I only got a few emails a day, and/or it
was on a group I would be a moderator of, that would be different. I agree
that a feature like this would be good for NVDA. I never knew WinEyes had
such a feature, and I've never heard of any JFW users talking about it, so
doubt it's there for them.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized
voice pack cost


Hi Sean,

Window-Eyes has a great feature called Line Filter.  You can tell it to
ignore all lines with a string of chars at the beginning of the line.  So
when anyone bottom posts, I just switch on line filtering and it ignores
lines beginning with the greater than sign.

I don't know if JAWS has it, but it would be nice to have it in NVDA too.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: 28 September 2017 21:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized
voice pack cost

Well I really do wander if they find it easier to bottem post.

Its not blind vs sighted as such its probably the way they like their
screens.

For example I have family which really like their threaded messages
threaded.

They like to see the old messages first so they know what they have sent and
they can't remember what they typed previously.

For us, I guess that would work, except we can't scroll to the start of the
new content as such like this because our software just won't do it in a
easy way.

For the sighted its a quick mouse wheel flip my family do it all the time,
they do it without thinking just like breathing.

For us, we rely on our keyboards and screen readers, and to be honest I
never look at what is below if I don't need to which could be a
disadvantage.

We also have to get used to the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signs the lower
and lower down we get down the message tree.

So for us top posting is the most accessible.

However we probably do lose some info over what was before.

I can't say I have responded to a message without reading below first.

I never do so I loose things.

For me I respond to something if I know what it is or if its 1-2 days old
maybe but I could be out of thread by the time I respond to a huge email
list.

A lot of techs I know thread and folder cluster their mail.

A few friends don't do this, for myself coming from dos, I read and delete
all my mail.

If its important I save it in a text file with the message in it and
whatever.

If the email database corrupts or the system crashes or something I reformat
and move on.

My data is mostly backed up, it includes text of important files and the
like.

I realise I will get bit in the ass one day but I barely have to deal with
important stuf and now with dropbox it means I can continue as I am till the
world ends.

On the other hand, rarely have I needed the net during a system outage that
is critical.

Or at a  critical point.

But I guess I am lucky.

Being a freelance tester means I just don't get the work I usually get and
that means I have time to waste if I so choose which wouldn't be if I had to
bother with critical data all the time.




On 29/09/2017 5:13 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
> I know I have been shoved off the talking newspaper list for this
> crime. They are all doo gooders and ex mayors an aldermen trying for
> obes I think. grin.
> Their loss.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Siegel"
> <tsiegel@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 4:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
> vocalized voice pack cost
>
>
>> Nah, I think it's more related to vi vs. sighted. On all vi lists,
>> top posting is the thing, on most sighted lists, bottom posting is
>> it. I've seen folks yelled at multiple times for not bottom posting
>> on several sighted lists. But on at least one list I'm on,
>> (thankfully, one I don't post on very often), folks get all bent out
>> of shape if you top post. It's bottom post, or not at all in their
>> opinion. A complete waste of time in my opinion, but nobody asked me.
>>
>> <shrug>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/28/2017 3:32 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>>> I think the problem is, in them older days most lists and Usenet
>>> groups wanted you to bottom post, but that was when people sat down
>>> and edited the quilted threads. There was an RFC about it, but
>>> nowadays, things have gone the other way since most people are low
>>> on time.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> bglists@...
>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> in the display name field.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 6:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
>>> vocalized voice pack cost
>>>
>>>
>>> Please don’t bottom post. Post at the top of the messages. If you
>>> bottom post, people won’t see your reply. They won’t wade through
>>> five or more messages to finally find yours and many people think
>>> you mistakenly sent a blank message.
>>>
>>> If you need help in how to top post, ask here.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Amber Gilmore
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 11:47 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
>>> vocalized voice pack cost
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Sep 27, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Amber,
>>>>
>>>> Here you go:-
>>>>
>>>> http://www.comproom.co.uk/product/eloquence-and-vocalizer-expressiv
>>>> e-add-on-for-nvda/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> By the way, for every copy sold, 10 Euros which is about 8 UK
>>>> pounds, or about 15 US dollars, gets donated to NVAccess. Which is
>>>> why I'm proud to sell it.
>>>>
>>>> All the best
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>> Amber Gilmore
>>>> Sent: 27 September 2017 14:50
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
>>>> vocalized voice pack cost
>>>>
>>>> This is to Steve how much are you asking for your nvda and
>>>> elouenqecincd elinquence i am in oklahoma he please get back to me,
>>>> amber
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 4:33 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes there is a legal add on from Code Factory that comes with both
>>>>> Eloquence and Vocalizer. Disclaimer: We do sell it. Please feel
>>>>> free to contact me privately if interested.
>>>>>
>>>>> We also have SAPI 5 voices for both, again, both perfectly legal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>>>> Of The Gamages
>>>>> Sent: 20 September 2017 08:58
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
>>>>> vocalized voice pack cost
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> Forgive me if I have misunderstood, but surely there cannot be a
>>>>> genuine NVDA add on for the voices which I wil not mention as they
>>>>> are a banned topic? Code factory Vocaliser may be legal, but not
>>>>> the other, I had to pay for my Vocaliser voices and they cost me
>>>>> about "£70 years ago, these are now available as a stand alone
>>>>> item and not tied to NVDA.
>>>>> For those who just cannot afford extra voices, the Microsoft ones
>>>>> are quite good and are, of course, free with the Microsoft system.
>>>>>
>>>>> As to the illegal subject, why anyone would want these outdated
>>>>> voices beats me.
>>>>> Take care.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards, Jim.
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Joseph Lee
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 8:24 PM
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
>>>>> vocalized voice pack cost
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> As the owner of the NVDA add-ons list, I'm considering enacting
>>>>> address ban if I hear reports of the moderated person jumping over
>>>>> to the add-ons list to vent frustrations.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Joseph
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>>>> Of Laz
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 11:58 AM
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
>>>>> vocalized voice pack cost
>>>>>
>>>>> As I stated in an email a few weeks ago when this person started
>>>>> posting on the list, he will continue posting nonsensical
>>>>> messages, off topic messages, and violate list rules until he is
>>>>> removed. He apparently doesn't pay much attentionn to messages in
>>>>> reply to his questions and will continue repeating things over and
>>>>> over until stopped. Moderation is the least of possible solutions
>>>>> to this situation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck Nimer and Gene!
>>>>>
>>>>> Laz
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/19/17, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
>>>>> <ochikodinaka@...> wrote:
>>>>>> when is the next update for NVDA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/19/17, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
>>>>>>> I will just reiterate that Gene has my full and unqualified
>>>>>>> support in this matter and I will be keeping an eye for any
>>>>>>> future messages from this individual.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:17 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From the moderator:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know why he is doing it and we have no basis to assume
>>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>> I doubt it is intentional rudeness. I would say that people
>>>>>>>> should simply not comment on any post by Mr. Chikodinaka
>>>>>>>> Nickarandidum Oguledo unless he asks a new and useful question.
>>>>>>>> Repetitive questions, the same question four times in a month
>>>>>>>> or even twice in a month or six months, should simply be
>>>>>>>> ignored.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is not useful to have a debate on list about Chikodinaka
>>>>>>>> Nickarandidum Oguledo or his posts. If such unproductive
>>>>>>>> debates continue, I shall lock all threads where such debates
>>>>>>>> begin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If Mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo is too outrageous, I
>>>>>>>> shall moderate him. Moderation means that I shall see every
>>>>>>>> post from him and have to approve each post before it reaches
>>>>>>>> the list. If I do that, I shall simply not approve repetitive
>>>>>>>> questions nor questions that in any way, promote sites where
>>>>>>>> illegal activity occurs. .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm explaining all this because Mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum
>>>>>>>> Oguledo sent a post yesterday in which he seemed to indicate
>>>>>>>> that he didn't know what being moderated means and because
>>>>>>>> there may be other list members who don't know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not the list owner and if he wishes to deal with this
>>>>>>>> matter differently, that is what he will do as list owner. I've
>>>>>>>> stated what I will do unless the owner wishes something
>>>>>>>> different to be done.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, on further consideration, I've changed my mind about how
>>>>>>>> long moderation will last. It will last at least two months and
>>>>>>>> whether it is lifted will depend on the kinds of posts Mr.
>>>>>>>> Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo sends for approval.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cordially,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nimer Jaber
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My mission is to bring love and peace to everyone around me with
>>>>>>> all tools available to me.
>>>>>>> My core values are integrity, innovation, loyalty, excellence,
>>>>>>> and 100% personal responsibility.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
>>>>>>> addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended
>>>>>>> recipient, please notify me via reply email and destroy all
>>>>>>> copies of this correspondence. Action taken as a result of this
>>>>>>> email or its contents by anyone other than the intended
>>>>>>> recipient(s) may result in civil or criminal charges. I have
>>>>>>> checked this email and all corresponding attachments for
>>>>>>> security threats. However, security of your machine is up to
>>>>>>> you. Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Registered Linux User 529141.
>>>>>>> http://counter.li.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows
>>>>>>> XP and above, please click here:
>>>>>>> http://www.nvda-project.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology
>>>>>>> news.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at
>>>>>>> (218-606-0475) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly.
>>>>>>> Thank you, and have a great day!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> for if you persavear. you will conker never fear. try try try
>>>>>> again
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It gives diffferent prides can you tell me whitch on is my prise,
>>>> amber and i did a trial on another site with the same voices
>>>> frommmm code factory will the link you sent me let me do it again
>>>> cause when i started the trial befor my computer crashed and it was
>>>> down so i missed it. Thanks, amber
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>










Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized voice pack cost

Steve Nutt
 

Blimey, talk about dinosaurs. <Smile>.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 02 October 2017 05:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized voice pack cost

 

I may have been running the feature on a really old Windows 98 machine at the time so my results may not be relevant.  But I hope an interesting discussion results.

 

Gene

 

From: Kwork

Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 11:22 PM

Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized voice pack cost

 

Interesting to know. I would wonder if the lag is still there in this age of speedier processors, etc. I don't know if it would be worth the trade-off if it would slow things down too much for on-the-fly filtering.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 8:40 PM

Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized voice pack cost

 

That is a useful feature if someone's program uses greater than signs for quoted material.  I don't know how many programs don't use such signs.  Windows Live Mail doesn't and I wonder if Outlook does.  If neither of these programs use such signs, then a good deal of the usefulness of the feature is defeated.  Also, I played with the feature many years ago.  I don't recall if this might have been because I was using a very slow old computer at the time or not, but my recollection is that it moved through lines slowly, and thus caused annoying delays while waiting for the unfiltered material to be found.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kwork

Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 12:46 PM

Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized voice pack cost

 

For me, it's simple. If there are greater than signs at the top of a
message, or some sort of header indicating that the originally quoted
message is first, I've already lost interest in what the reply is, so I've
already deleted and moved on. If I only got a few emails a day, and/or it
was on a group I would be a moderator of, that would be different. I agree
that a feature like this would be good for NVDA. I never knew WinEyes had
such a feature, and I've never heard of any JFW users talking about it, so
doubt it's there for them.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized
voice pack cost


Hi Sean,

Window-Eyes has a great feature called Line Filter.  You can tell it to
ignore all lines with a string of chars at the beginning of the line.  So
when anyone bottom posts, I just switch on line filtering and it ignores
lines beginning with the greater than sign.

I don't know if JAWS has it, but it would be nice to have it in NVDA too.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: 28 September 2017 21:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized
voice pack cost

Well I really do wander if they find it easier to bottem post.

Its not blind vs sighted as such its probably the way they like their
screens.

For example I have family which really like their threaded messages
threaded.

They like to see the old messages first so they know what they have sent and
they can't remember what they typed previously.

For us, I guess that would work, except we can't scroll to the start of the
new content as such like this because our software just won't do it in a
easy way.

For the sighted its a quick mouse wheel flip my family do it all the time,
they do it without thinking just like breathing.

For us, we rely on our keyboards and screen readers, and to be honest I
never look at what is below if I don't need to which could be a
disadvantage.

We also have to get used to the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signs the lower
and lower down we get down the message tree.

So for us top posting is the most accessible.

However we probably do lose some info over what was before.

I can't say I have responded to a message without reading below first.

I never do so I loose things.

For me I respond to something if I know what it is or if its 1-2 days old
maybe but I could be out of thread by the time I respond to a huge email
list.

A lot of techs I know thread and folder cluster their mail.

A few friends don't do this, for myself coming from dos, I read and delete
all my mail.

If its important I save it in a text file with the message in it and
whatever.

If the email database corrupts or the system crashes or something I reformat
and move on.

My data is mostly backed up, it includes text of important files and the
like.

I realise I will get bit in the ass one day but I barely have to deal with
important stuf and now with dropbox it means I can continue as I am till the
world ends.

On the other hand, rarely have I needed the net during a system outage that
is critical.

Or at a  critical point.

But I guess I am lucky.

Being a freelance tester means I just don't get the work I usually get and
that means I have time to waste if I so choose which wouldn't be if I had to
bother with critical data all the time.




On 29/09/2017 5:13 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
> I know I have been shoved off the talking newspaper list for this
> crime. They are all doo gooders and ex mayors an aldermen trying for
> obes I think. grin.
> Their loss.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Siegel"
> <tsiegel@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 4:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
> vocalized voice pack cost
>
>
>> Nah, I think it's more related to vi vs. sighted. On all vi lists,
>> top posting is the thing, on most sighted lists, bottom posting is
>> it. I've seen folks yelled at multiple times for not bottom posting
>> on several sighted lists. But on at least one list I'm on,
>> (thankfully, one I don't post on very often), folks get all bent out
>> of shape if you top post. It's bottom post, or not at all in their
>> opinion. A complete waste of time in my opinion, but nobody asked me.
>>
>> <shrug>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/28/2017 3:32 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>>> I think the problem is, in them older days most lists and Usenet
>>> groups wanted you to bottom post, but that was when people sat down
>>> and edited the quilted threads. There was an RFC about it, but
>>> nowadays, things have gone the other way since most people are low
>>> on time.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> bglists@...
>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> in the display name field.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 6:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
>>> vocalized voice pack cost
>>>
>>>
>>> Please don’t bottom post. Post at the top of the messages. If you
>>> bottom post, people won’t see your reply. They won’t wade through
>>> five or more messages to finally find yours and many people think
>>> you mistakenly sent a blank message.
>>>
>>> If you need help in how to top post, ask here.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Amber Gilmore
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 11:47 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
>>> vocalized voice pack cost
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Sep 27, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Amber,
>>>>
>>>> Here you go:-
>>>>
>>>> http://www.comproom.co.uk/product/eloquence-and-vocalizer-expressiv
>>>> e-add-on-for-nvda/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> By the way, for every copy sold, 10 Euros which is about 8 UK
>>>> pounds, or about 15 US dollars, gets donated to NVAccess. Which is
>>>> why I'm proud to sell it.
>>>>
>>>> All the best
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>> Amber Gilmore
>>>> Sent: 27 September 2017 14:50
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
>>>> vocalized voice pack cost
>>>>
>>>> This is to Steve how much are you asking for your nvda and
>>>> elouenqecincd elinquence i am in oklahoma he please get back to me,
>>>> amber
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 4:33 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes there is a legal add on from Code Factory that comes with both
>>>>> Eloquence and Vocalizer. Disclaimer: We do sell it. Please feel
>>>>> free to contact me privately if interested.
>>>>>
>>>>> We also have SAPI 5 voices for both, again, both perfectly legal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>>>> Of The Gamages
>>>>> Sent: 20 September 2017 08:58
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
>>>>> vocalized voice pack cost
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> Forgive me if I have misunderstood, but surely there cannot be a
>>>>> genuine NVDA add on for the voices which I wil not mention as they
>>>>> are a banned topic? Code factory Vocaliser may be legal, but not
>>>>> the other, I had to pay for my Vocaliser voices and they cost me
>>>>> about "£70 years ago, these are now available as a stand alone
>>>>> item and not tied to NVDA.
>>>>> For those who just cannot afford extra voices, the Microsoft ones
>>>>> are quite good and are, of course, free with the Microsoft system.
>>>>>
>>>>> As to the illegal subject, why anyone would want these outdated
>>>>> voices beats me.
>>>>> Take care.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards, Jim.
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Joseph Lee
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 8:24 PM
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
>>>>> vocalized voice pack cost
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> As the owner of the NVDA add-ons list, I'm considering enacting
>>>>> address ban if I hear reports of the moderated person jumping over
>>>>> to the add-ons list to vent frustrations.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Joseph
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>>>> Of Laz
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 11:58 AM
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
>>>>> vocalized voice pack cost
>>>>>
>>>>> As I stated in an email a few weeks ago when this person started
>>>>> posting on the list, he will continue posting nonsensical
>>>>> messages, off topic messages, and violate list rules until he is
>>>>> removed. He apparently doesn't pay much attentionn to messages in
>>>>> reply to his questions and will continue repeating things over and
>>>>> over until stopped. Moderation is the least of possible solutions
>>>>> to this situation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck Nimer and Gene!
>>>>>
>>>>> Laz
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/19/17, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
>>>>> <ochikodinaka@...> wrote:
>>>>>> when is the next update for NVDA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/19/17, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
>>>>>>> I will just reiterate that Gene has my full and unqualified
>>>>>>> support in this matter and I will be keeping an eye for any
>>>>>>> future messages from this individual.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:17 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From the moderator:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know why he is doing it and we have no basis to assume
>>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>> I doubt it is intentional rudeness. I would say that people
>>>>>>>> should simply not comment on any post by Mr. Chikodinaka
>>>>>>>> Nickarandidum Oguledo unless he asks a new and useful question.
>>>>>>>> Repetitive questions, the same question four times in a month
>>>>>>>> or even twice in a month or six months, should simply be
>>>>>>>> ignored.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is not useful to have a debate on list about Chikodinaka
>>>>>>>> Nickarandidum Oguledo or his posts. If such unproductive
>>>>>>>> debates continue, I shall lock all threads where such debates
>>>>>>>> begin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If Mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo is too outrageous, I
>>>>>>>> shall moderate him. Moderation means that I shall see every
>>>>>>>> post from him and have to approve each post before it reaches
>>>>>>>> the list. If I do that, I shall simply not approve repetitive
>>>>>>>> questions nor questions that in any way, promote sites where
>>>>>>>> illegal activity occurs. .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm explaining all this because Mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum
>>>>>>>> Oguledo sent a post yesterday in which he seemed to indicate
>>>>>>>> that he didn't know what being moderated means and because
>>>>>>>> there may be other list members who don't know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not the list owner and if he wishes to deal with this
>>>>>>>> matter differently, that is what he will do as list owner. I've
>>>>>>>> stated what I will do unless the owner wishes something
>>>>>>>> different to be done.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, on further consideration, I've changed my mind about how
>>>>>>>> long moderation will last. It will last at least two months and
>>>>>>>> whether it is lifted will depend on the kinds of posts Mr.
>>>>>>>> Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo sends for approval.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cordially,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nimer Jaber
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My mission is to bring love and peace to everyone around me with
>>>>>>> all tools available to me.
>>>>>>> My core values are integrity, innovation, loyalty, excellence,
>>>>>>> and 100% personal responsibility.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
>>>>>>> addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended
>>>>>>> recipient, please notify me via reply email and destroy all
>>>>>>> copies of this correspondence. Action taken as a result of this
>>>>>>> email or its contents by anyone other than the intended
>>>>>>> recipient(s) may result in civil or criminal charges. I have
>>>>>>> checked this email and all corresponding attachments for
>>>>>>> security threats. However, security of your machine is up to
>>>>>>> you. Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Registered Linux User 529141.
>>>>>>> http://counter.li.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows
>>>>>>> XP and above, please click here:
>>>>>>> http://www.nvda-project.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology
>>>>>>> news.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at
>>>>>>> (218-606-0475) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly.
>>>>>>> Thank you, and have a great day!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> for if you persavear. you will conker never fear. try try try
>>>>>> again
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It gives diffferent prides can you tell me whitch on is my prise,
>>>> amber and i did a trial on another site with the same voices
>>>> frommmm code factory will the link you sent me let me do it again
>>>> cause when i started the trial befor my computer crashed and it was
>>>> down so i missed it. Thanks, amber
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>











Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized voice pack cost

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

As I say, no lag.  Window-Eyes has some features that other screen readers only dream of.  It’s a shame it’s not being upgraded any more.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: 02 October 2017 05:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized voice pack cost

 

Interesting to know. I would wonder if the lag is still there in this age of speedier processors, etc. I don't know if it would be worth the trade-off if it would slow things down too much for on-the-fly filtering.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 8:40 PM

Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized voice pack cost

 

That is a useful feature if someone's program uses greater than signs for quoted material.  I don't know how many programs don't use such signs.  Windows Live Mail doesn't and I wonder if Outlook does.  If neither of these programs use such signs, then a good deal of the usefulness of the feature is defeated.  Also, I played with the feature many years ago.  I don't recall if this might have been because I was using a very slow old computer at the time or not, but my recollection is that it moved through lines slowly, and thus caused annoying delays while waiting for the unfiltered material to be found.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kwork

Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 12:46 PM

Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized voice pack cost

 

For me, it's simple. If there are greater than signs at the top of a
message, or some sort of header indicating that the originally quoted
message is first, I've already lost interest in what the reply is, so I've
already deleted and moved on. If I only got a few emails a day, and/or it
was on a group I would be a moderator of, that would be different. I agree
that a feature like this would be good for NVDA. I never knew WinEyes had
such a feature, and I've never heard of any JFW users talking about it, so
doubt it's there for them.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized
voice pack cost


Hi Sean,

Window-Eyes has a great feature called Line Filter.  You can tell it to
ignore all lines with a string of chars at the beginning of the line.  So
when anyone bottom posts, I just switch on line filtering and it ignores
lines beginning with the greater than sign.

I don't know if JAWS has it, but it would be nice to have it in NVDA too.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: 28 September 2017 21:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized
voice pack cost

Well I really do wander if they find it easier to bottem post.

Its not blind vs sighted as such its probably the way they like their
screens.

For example I have family which really like their threaded messages
threaded.

They like to see the old messages first so they know what they have sent and
they can't remember what they typed previously.

For us, I guess that would work, except we can't scroll to the start of the
new content as such like this because our software just won't do it in a
easy way.

For the sighted its a quick mouse wheel flip my family do it all the time,
they do it without thinking just like breathing.

For us, we rely on our keyboards and screen readers, and to be honest I
never look at what is below if I don't need to which could be a
disadvantage.

We also have to get used to the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signs the lower
and lower down we get down the message tree.

So for us top posting is the most accessible.

However we probably do lose some info over what was before.

I can't say I have responded to a message without reading below first.

I never do so I loose things.

For me I respond to something if I know what it is or if its 1-2 days old
maybe but I could be out of thread by the time I respond to a huge email
list.

A lot of techs I know thread and folder cluster their mail.

A few friends don't do this, for myself coming from dos, I read and delete
all my mail.

If its important I save it in a text file with the message in it and
whatever.

If the email database corrupts or the system crashes or something I reformat
and move on.

My data is mostly backed up, it includes text of important files and the
like.

I realise I will get bit in the ass one day but I barely have to deal with
important stuf and now with dropbox it means I can continue as I am till the
world ends.

On the other hand, rarely have I needed the net during a system outage that
is critical.

Or at a  critical point.

But I guess I am lucky.

Being a freelance tester means I just don't get the work I usually get and
that means I have time to waste if I so choose which wouldn't be if I had to
bother with critical data all the time.




On 29/09/2017 5:13 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
> I know I have been shoved off the talking newspaper list for this
> crime. They are all doo gooders and ex mayors an aldermen trying for
> obes I think. grin.
> Their loss.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Siegel"
> <tsiegel@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 4:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
> vocalized voice pack cost
>
>
>> Nah, I think it's more related to vi vs. sighted. On all vi lists,
>> top posting is the thing, on most sighted lists, bottom posting is
>> it. I've seen folks yelled at multiple times for not bottom posting
>> on several sighted lists. But on at least one list I'm on,
>> (thankfully, one I don't post on very often), folks get all bent out
>> of shape if you top post. It's bottom post, or not at all in their
>> opinion. A complete waste of time in my opinion, but nobody asked me.
>>
>> <shrug>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/28/2017 3:32 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>>> I think the problem is, in them older days most lists and Usenet
>>> groups wanted you to bottom post, but that was when people sat down
>>> and edited the quilted threads. There was an RFC about it, but
>>> nowadays, things have gone the other way since most people are low
>>> on time.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> bglists@...
>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> in the display name field.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 6:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
>>> vocalized voice pack cost
>>>
>>>
>>> Please don’t bottom post. Post at the top of the messages. If you
>>> bottom post, people won’t see your reply. They won’t wade through
>>> five or more messages to finally find yours and many people think
>>> you mistakenly sent a blank message.
>>>
>>> If you need help in how to top post, ask here.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Amber Gilmore
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 11:47 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
>>> vocalized voice pack cost
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Sep 27, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Amber,
>>>>
>>>> Here you go:-
>>>>
>>>> http://www.comproom.co.uk/product/eloquence-and-vocalizer-expressiv
>>>> e-add-on-for-nvda/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> By the way, for every copy sold, 10 Euros which is about 8 UK
>>>> pounds, or about 15 US dollars, gets donated to NVAccess. Which is
>>>> why I'm proud to sell it.
>>>>
>>>> All the best
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>> Amber Gilmore
>>>> Sent: 27 September 2017 14:50
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
>>>> vocalized voice pack cost
>>>>
>>>> This is to Steve how much are you asking for your nvda and
>>>> elouenqecincd elinquence i am in oklahoma he please get back to me,
>>>> amber
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 4:33 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes there is a legal add on from Code Factory that comes with both
>>>>> Eloquence and Vocalizer. Disclaimer: We do sell it. Please feel
>>>>> free to contact me privately if interested.
>>>>>
>>>>> We also have SAPI 5 voices for both, again, both perfectly legal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>>>> Of The Gamages
>>>>> Sent: 20 September 2017 08:58
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
>>>>> vocalized voice pack cost
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> Forgive me if I have misunderstood, but surely there cannot be a
>>>>> genuine NVDA add on for the voices which I wil not mention as they
>>>>> are a banned topic? Code factory Vocaliser may be legal, but not
>>>>> the other, I had to pay for my Vocaliser voices and they cost me
>>>>> about "£70 years ago, these are now available as a stand alone
>>>>> item and not tied to NVDA.
>>>>> For those who just cannot afford extra voices, the Microsoft ones
>>>>> are quite good and are, of course, free with the Microsoft system.
>>>>>
>>>>> As to the illegal subject, why anyone would want these outdated
>>>>> voices beats me.
>>>>> Take care.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards, Jim.
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Joseph Lee
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 8:24 PM
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
>>>>> vocalized voice pack cost
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> As the owner of the NVDA add-ons list, I'm considering enacting
>>>>> address ban if I hear reports of the moderated person jumping over
>>>>> to the add-ons list to vent frustrations.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Joseph
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>>>> Of Laz
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 11:58 AM
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
>>>>> vocalized voice pack cost
>>>>>
>>>>> As I stated in an email a few weeks ago when this person started
>>>>> posting on the list, he will continue posting nonsensical
>>>>> messages, off topic messages, and violate list rules until he is
>>>>> removed. He apparently doesn't pay much attentionn to messages in
>>>>> reply to his questions and will continue repeating things over and
>>>>> over until stopped. Moderation is the least of possible solutions
>>>>> to this situation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck Nimer and Gene!
>>>>>
>>>>> Laz
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/19/17, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
>>>>> <ochikodinaka@...> wrote:
>>>>>> when is the next update for NVDA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/19/17, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
>>>>>>> I will just reiterate that Gene has my full and unqualified
>>>>>>> support in this matter and I will be keeping an eye for any
>>>>>>> future messages from this individual.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:17 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From the moderator:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know why he is doing it and we have no basis to assume
>>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>> I doubt it is intentional rudeness. I would say that people
>>>>>>>> should simply not comment on any post by Mr. Chikodinaka
>>>>>>>> Nickarandidum Oguledo unless he asks a new and useful question.
>>>>>>>> Repetitive questions, the same question four times in a month
>>>>>>>> or even twice in a month or six months, should simply be
>>>>>>>> ignored.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is not useful to have a debate on list about Chikodinaka
>>>>>>>> Nickarandidum Oguledo or his posts. If such unproductive
>>>>>>>> debates continue, I shall lock all threads where such debates
>>>>>>>> begin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If Mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo is too outrageous, I
>>>>>>>> shall moderate him. Moderation means that I shall see every
>>>>>>>> post from him and have to approve each post before it reaches
>>>>>>>> the list. If I do that, I shall simply not approve repetitive
>>>>>>>> questions nor questions that in any way, promote sites where
>>>>>>>> illegal activity occurs. .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm explaining all this because Mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum
>>>>>>>> Oguledo sent a post yesterday in which he seemed to indicate
>>>>>>>> that he didn't know what being moderated means and because
>>>>>>>> there may be other list members who don't know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not the list owner and if he wishes to deal with this
>>>>>>>> matter differently, that is what he will do as list owner. I've
>>>>>>>> stated what I will do unless the owner wishes something
>>>>>>>> different to be done.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, on further consideration, I've changed my mind about how
>>>>>>>> long moderation will last. It will last at least two months and
>>>>>>>> whether it is lifted will depend on the kinds of posts Mr.
>>>>>>>> Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo sends for approval.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cordially,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nimer Jaber
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My mission is to bring love and peace to everyone around me with
>>>>>>> all tools available to me.
>>>>>>> My core values are integrity, innovation, loyalty, excellence,
>>>>>>> and 100% personal responsibility.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
>>>>>>> addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended
>>>>>>> recipient, please notify me via reply email and destroy all
>>>>>>> copies of this correspondence. Action taken as a result of this
>>>>>>> email or its contents by anyone other than the intended
>>>>>>> recipient(s) may result in civil or criminal charges. I have
>>>>>>> checked this email and all corresponding attachments for
>>>>>>> security threats. However, security of your machine is up to
>>>>>>> you. Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Registered Linux User 529141.
>>>>>>> http://counter.li.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows
>>>>>>> XP and above, please click here:
>>>>>>> http://www.nvda-project.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology
>>>>>>> news.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at
>>>>>>> (218-606-0475) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly.
>>>>>>> Thank you, and have a great day!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> for if you persavear. you will conker never fear. try try try
>>>>>> again
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It gives diffferent prides can you tell me whitch on is my prise,
>>>> amber and i did a trial on another site with the same voices
>>>> frommmm code factory will the link you sent me let me do it again
>>>> cause when i started the trial befor my computer crashed and it was
>>>> down so i missed it. Thanks, amber
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>











Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized voice pack cost

Steve Nutt
 

Wow, that must have been years ago.  I only have a Core I5, and the feature is instant.

 

By the way, it is not limited to the greater than sign, you can put any chars you want filtered in.

 

Outlook does use the Greater Than sign by the way.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 02 October 2017 04:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized voice pack cost

 

That is a useful feature if someone's program uses greater than signs for quoted material.  I don't know how many programs don't use such signs.  Windows Live Mail doesn't and I wonder if Outlook does.  If neither of these programs use such signs, then a good deal of the usefulness of the feature is defeated.  Also, I played with the feature many years ago.  I don't recall if this might have been because I was using a very slow old computer at the time or not, but my recollection is that it moved through lines slowly, and thus caused annoying delays while waiting for the unfiltered material to be found.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kwork

Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 12:46 PM

Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized voice pack cost

 

For me, it's simple. If there are greater than signs at the top of a
message, or some sort of header indicating that the originally quoted
message is first, I've already lost interest in what the reply is, so I've
already deleted and moved on. If I only got a few emails a day, and/or it
was on a group I would be a moderator of, that would be different. I agree
that a feature like this would be good for NVDA. I never knew WinEyes had
such a feature, and I've never heard of any JFW users talking about it, so
doubt it's there for them.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized
voice pack cost


Hi Sean,

Window-Eyes has a great feature called Line Filter.  You can tell it to
ignore all lines with a string of chars at the beginning of the line.  So
when anyone bottom posts, I just switch on line filtering and it ignores
lines beginning with the greater than sign.

I don't know if JAWS has it, but it would be nice to have it in NVDA too.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: 28 September 2017 21:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and vocalized
voice pack cost

Well I really do wander if they find it easier to bottem post.

Its not blind vs sighted as such its probably the way they like their
screens.

For example I have family which really like their threaded messages
threaded.

They like to see the old messages first so they know what they have sent and
they can't remember what they typed previously.

For us, I guess that would work, except we can't scroll to the start of the
new content as such like this because our software just won't do it in a
easy way.

For the sighted its a quick mouse wheel flip my family do it all the time,
they do it without thinking just like breathing.

For us, we rely on our keyboards and screen readers, and to be honest I
never look at what is below if I don't need to which could be a
disadvantage.

We also have to get used to the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signs the lower
and lower down we get down the message tree.

So for us top posting is the most accessible.

However we probably do lose some info over what was before.

I can't say I have responded to a message without reading below first.

I never do so I loose things.

For me I respond to something if I know what it is or if its 1-2 days old
maybe but I could be out of thread by the time I respond to a huge email
list.

A lot of techs I know thread and folder cluster their mail.

A few friends don't do this, for myself coming from dos, I read and delete
all my mail.

If its important I save it in a text file with the message in it and
whatever.

If the email database corrupts or the system crashes or something I reformat
and move on.

My data is mostly backed up, it includes text of important files and the
like.

I realise I will get bit in the ass one day but I barely have to deal with
important stuf and now with dropbox it means I can continue as I am till the
world ends.

On the other hand, rarely have I needed the net during a system outage that
is critical.

Or at a  critical point.

But I guess I am lucky.

Being a freelance tester means I just don't get the work I usually get and
that means I have time to waste if I so choose which wouldn't be if I had to
bother with critical data all the time.




On 29/09/2017 5:13 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
> I know I have been shoved off the talking newspaper list for this
> crime. They are all doo gooders and ex mayors an aldermen trying for
> obes I think. grin.
> Their loss.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Siegel"
> <tsiegel@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 4:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
> vocalized voice pack cost
>
>
>> Nah, I think it's more related to vi vs. sighted. On all vi lists,
>> top posting is the thing, on most sighted lists, bottom posting is
>> it. I've seen folks yelled at multiple times for not bottom posting
>> on several sighted lists. But on at least one list I'm on,
>> (thankfully, one I don't post on very often), folks get all bent out
>> of shape if you top post. It's bottom post, or not at all in their
>> opinion. A complete waste of time in my opinion, but nobody asked me.
>>
>> <shrug>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/28/2017 3:32 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>>> I think the problem is, in them older days most lists and Usenet
>>> groups wanted you to bottom post, but that was when people sat down
>>> and edited the quilted threads. There was an RFC about it, but
>>> nowadays, things have gone the other way since most people are low
>>> on time.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> bglists@...
>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> in the display name field.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 6:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
>>> vocalized voice pack cost
>>>
>>>
>>> Please don’t bottom post. Post at the top of the messages. If you
>>> bottom post, people won’t see your reply. They won’t wade through
>>> five or more messages to finally find yours and many people think
>>> you mistakenly sent a blank message.
>>>
>>> If you need help in how to top post, ask here.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Amber Gilmore
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 11:47 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
>>> vocalized voice pack cost
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Sep 27, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Amber,
>>>>
>>>> Here you go:-
>>>>
>>>> http://www.comproom.co.uk/product/eloquence-and-vocalizer-expressiv
>>>> e-add-on-for-nvda/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> By the way, for every copy sold, 10 Euros which is about 8 UK
>>>> pounds, or about 15 US dollars, gets donated to NVAccess. Which is
>>>> why I'm proud to sell it.
>>>>
>>>> All the best
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>> Amber Gilmore
>>>> Sent: 27 September 2017 14:50
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
>>>> vocalized voice pack cost
>>>>
>>>> This is to Steve how much are you asking for your nvda and
>>>> elouenqecincd elinquence i am in oklahoma he please get back to me,
>>>> amber
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 4:33 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes there is a legal add on from Code Factory that comes with both
>>>>> Eloquence and Vocalizer. Disclaimer: We do sell it. Please feel
>>>>> free to contact me privately if interested.
>>>>>
>>>>> We also have SAPI 5 voices for both, again, both perfectly legal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>>>> Of The Gamages
>>>>> Sent: 20 September 2017 08:58
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
>>>>> vocalized voice pack cost
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> Forgive me if I have misunderstood, but surely there cannot be a
>>>>> genuine NVDA add on for the voices which I wil not mention as they
>>>>> are a banned topic? Code factory Vocaliser may be legal, but not
>>>>> the other, I had to pay for my Vocaliser voices and they cost me
>>>>> about "£70 years ago, these are now available as a stand alone
>>>>> item and not tied to NVDA.
>>>>> For those who just cannot afford extra voices, the Microsoft ones
>>>>> are quite good and are, of course, free with the Microsoft system.
>>>>>
>>>>> As to the illegal subject, why anyone would want these outdated
>>>>> voices beats me.
>>>>> Take care.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards, Jim.
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Joseph Lee
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 8:24 PM
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
>>>>> vocalized voice pack cost
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> As the owner of the NVDA add-ons list, I'm considering enacting
>>>>> address ban if I hear reports of the moderated person jumping over
>>>>> to the add-ons list to vent frustrations.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Joseph
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>>>> Of Laz
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 11:58 AM
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: Re: Admin: Re: [nvda] How much does the eloquence and
>>>>> vocalized voice pack cost
>>>>>
>>>>> As I stated in an email a few weeks ago when this person started
>>>>> posting on the list, he will continue posting nonsensical
>>>>> messages, off topic messages, and violate list rules until he is
>>>>> removed. He apparently doesn't pay much attentionn to messages in
>>>>> reply to his questions and will continue repeating things over and
>>>>> over until stopped. Moderation is the least of possible solutions
>>>>> to this situation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck Nimer and Gene!
>>>>>
>>>>> Laz
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/19/17, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
>>>>> <ochikodinaka@...> wrote:
>>>>>> when is the next update for NVDA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/19/17, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
>>>>>>> I will just reiterate that Gene has my full and unqualified
>>>>>>> support in this matter and I will be keeping an eye for any
>>>>>>> future messages from this individual.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:17 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From the moderator:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know why he is doing it and we have no basis to assume
>>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>> I doubt it is intentional rudeness. I would say that people
>>>>>>>> should simply not comment on any post by Mr. Chikodinaka
>>>>>>>> Nickarandidum Oguledo unless he asks a new and useful question.
>>>>>>>> Repetitive questions, the same question four times in a month
>>>>>>>> or even twice in a month or six months, should simply be
>>>>>>>> ignored.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is not useful to have a debate on list about Chikodinaka
>>>>>>>> Nickarandidum Oguledo or his posts. If such unproductive
>>>>>>>> debates continue, I shall lock all threads where such debates
>>>>>>>> begin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If Mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo is too outrageous, I
>>>>>>>> shall moderate him. Moderation means that I shall see every
>>>>>>>> post from him and have to approve each post before it reaches
>>>>>>>> the list. If I do that, I shall simply not approve repetitive
>>>>>>>> questions nor questions that in any way, promote sites where
>>>>>>>> illegal activity occurs. .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm explaining all this because Mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum
>>>>>>>> Oguledo sent a post yesterday in which he seemed to indicate
>>>>>>>> that he didn't know what being moderated means and because
>>>>>>>> there may be other list members who don't know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not the list owner and if he wishes to deal with this
>>>>>>>> matter differently, that is what he will do as list owner. I've
>>>>>>>> stated what I will do unless the owner wishes something
>>>>>>>> different to be done.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, on further consideration, I've changed my mind about how
>>>>>>>> long moderation will last. It will last at least two months and
>>>>>>>> whether it is lifted will depend on the kinds of posts Mr.
>>>>>>>> Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo sends for approval.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cordially,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nimer Jaber
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My mission is to bring love and peace to everyone around me with
>>>>>>> all tools available to me.
>>>>>>> My core values are integrity, innovation, loyalty, excellence,
>>>>>>> and 100% personal responsibility.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
>>>>>>> addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended
>>>>>>> recipient, please notify me via reply email and destroy all
>>>>>>> copies of this correspondence. Action taken as a result of this
>>>>>>> email or its contents by anyone other than the intended
>>>>>>> recipient(s) may result in civil or criminal charges. I have
>>>>>>> checked this email and all corresponding attachments for
>>>>>>> security threats. However, security of your machine is up to
>>>>>>> you. Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Registered Linux User 529141.
>>>>>>> http://counter.li.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows
>>>>>>> XP and above, please click here:
>>>>>>> http://www.nvda-project.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology
>>>>>>> news.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at
>>>>>>> (218-606-0475) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly.
>>>>>>> Thank you, and have a great day!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> for if you persavear. you will conker never fear. try try try
>>>>>> again
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It gives diffferent prides can you tell me whitch on is my prise,
>>>> amber and i did a trial on another site with the same voices
>>>> frommmm code factory will the link you sent me let me do it again
>>>> cause when i started the trial befor my computer crashed and it was
>>>> down so i missed it. Thanks, amber
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>











Re: HTML email [was: Re: [nvda] Download of the Weather Plus add-on]

 

Hello Gene,

My was the problematic message. I use Mozilla Thunderbird version 52.3.0. I've started sending messages only in HTML a long time ago, but only now someone complains that they are hard to read when viewing them as plain text due to the HTML code showing in the plain text. The HTML code shouldn't show in a message when viewing it as plain text, but in this case apparently it does. One of the persons having problems with my message is using KMail under Linux and the other is probably viewing it via the groups.io interface via a web browser, though I don't know if this matters or not. The unusual thing in my problematic message were a few (two, to be exact) emojies that I've inserted via the "Emoticons" add-on for NVDA. Maybe that caused the issue - I don't know. If it is that, in the future I'll try to avoid inserting emojies in my messages (at least for this list).

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


На 2.10.2017 г. в 18:23, Gene написа:

It may be that a text message should be sent.  It might be useful to know what e-mail application is being used by the original sender. 
 
I've seen very little about this but I think I read somewhere that sending HTML only messages is mor common than it used to be.  I'm curious to know what e-mail programs have problems rendering such messages when reading mail as plain text?  What program are you using?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: HTML email [was: Re: [nvda] Download of the Weather Plus add-on]

I get the same

 

I don’t know what has happened in that particular message but its showing the html code along with the message in plain text, so is difficult to read with a scfeen reader

I don’t see this happening very often but I’m pretty sure it wont be the mail app I’m using

But rather how the  message was created by the sender

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: 02 October 2017 15:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: HTML email [was: Re: [nvda] Download of the Weather Plus add-on]

 

Which e-mail program are you using?  I am reading mail as plain text and I have no such problems.  You may have problems elsewhere and it might be useful to discuss the matter.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone

Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 7:42 AM

Subject: HTML email [was: Re: [nvda] Download of the Weather Plus add-on]

 

Please could you avoid posting HTML-only emails to the list?

Post either plain-text or plain-text plus HTML, but please not just the HTML.

It makes things very difficult to read for those of us who prefer text-only
email.

Thanks,

Antony.

On Monday 02 October 2017 at 14:36:21, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

> <html>
>   <head>
>     <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
>   </head>
>   <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
>     <p>Hello Ollie,<br>
>     </p>
>     <p>That is why I use Firefox. 😀 I don't know which browser he used.
>       I can't force him to use a specific browser, even if I know that
>       browser may be the best one. 😀 I told him to change the extension
>       and that worked. But do I have to tell that to everyone that
>       downloads that add-on with the "wrong" browser? And that is not
>       the point. As I said - why it does not happen to other add-ons on
>       the same website? The problem is with this specific add-on and
>       that is the main reason why I've reported it and I mentioned the
>       specific add-on with which it occurs. Otherwise  I would have
>       reported this as affecting the whole NVDA add-ons website.<br>
>     </p>
>     <p>______<br>
>       Best wishes,<br>
>       Kostadin Kolev</p>

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1024 chickens?

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Re: NVDA Country Subgroups

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes the next thing you will need is anissues tracker in all the languages. Quite how this could be managed I have no idea. being a monoglot, if there is such a word!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Country Subgroups


Mr. Gaff has brought up something that immediately came to my mind, but from the point of view as a moderator. It is not really possible to moderate a group (and I include subgroups as part of a parent group) where there are languages being used that one does not speak.

I think the idea of NVDA groups for specific language communities being created is a very good one. But they need to be their own groups, with their own moderators form whom the language used for discussion is most likely their first language or a very, very strong second.

Online communities are no different than ones in the real world in that speaking a common language is pretty much essential to their effective operation.
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toggle object name and type

Martin Thomas Swaton
 

Hi everybody,


after searching the net and browsing the addons, I still could not find a solution...

I would like to have nvda speak the object type after the object label name) how would I do that?


e.g. when browsing a webpage there are buttons and links spoken as:

button welcome

link home


I would like to hear:

welcome button

home link


and so on.


Hope someone can help me to get this done.


cheers

Martin


Re: HTML email [was: Re: [nvda] Download of the Weather Plus add-on]

Gene
 

It may be that a text message should be sent.  It might be useful to know what e-mail application is being used by the original sender. 
 
I've seen very little about this but I think I read somewhere that sending HTML only messages is mor common than it used to be.  I'm curious to know what e-mail programs have problems rendering such messages when reading mail as plain text?  What program are you using?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: HTML email [was: Re: [nvda] Download of the Weather Plus add-on]

I get the same

 

I don’t know what has happened in that particular message but its showing the html code along with the message in plain text, so is difficult to read with a scfeen reader

I don’t see this happening very often but I’m pretty sure it wont be the mail app I’m using

But rather how the  message was created by the sender

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: 02 October 2017 15:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: HTML email [was: Re: [nvda] Download of the Weather Plus add-on]

 

Which e-mail program are you using?  I am reading mail as plain text and I have no such problems.  You may have problems elsewhere and it might be useful to discuss the matter.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone

Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 7:42 AM

Subject: HTML email [was: Re: [nvda] Download of the Weather Plus add-on]

 

Please could you avoid posting HTML-only emails to the list?

Post either plain-text or plain-text plus HTML, but please not just the HTML.

It makes things very difficult to read for those of us who prefer text-only
email.

Thanks,

Antony.

On Monday 02 October 2017 at 14:36:21, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

> <html>
>   <head>
>     <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
>   </head>
>   <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
>     <p>Hello Ollie,<br>
>     </p>
>     <p>That is why I use Firefox. 😀 I don't know which browser he used.
>       I can't force him to use a specific browser, even if I know that
>       browser may be the best one. 😀 I told him to change the extension
>       and that worked. But do I have to tell that to everyone that
>       downloads that add-on with the "wrong" browser? And that is not
>       the point. As I said - why it does not happen to other add-ons on
>       the same website? The problem is with this specific add-on and
>       that is the main reason why I've reported it and I mentioned the
>       specific add-on with which it occurs. Otherwise  I would have
>       reported this as affecting the whole NVDA add-ons website.<br>
>     </p>
>     <p>______<br>
>       Best wishes,<br>
>       Kostadin Kolev</p>

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Re: question about the punctuation settings

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Yes go to preferences and the next to the last item is punctuation. It will be obvious which ones are spoken in which scheme and you can change this if you like as well, but save your config if you want it to stick of course.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io" <lauriemehta=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 3:57 PM
Subject: [nvda] question about the punctuation settings


Is there a symbol list someplace that lists what symbols are spoken in using the various punctuation settings?
Symbol level all and symbol level none are obvious, but what symbols are included or omitted in being spoken when using the settings: symbol level some and symbol level most?

Thanks,
LM


Re: Download of the Weather Plus add-on

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Well as has been said, Firefox gives it the right name and has a check box with opeens with nvda. Thus I suspect if you have not set open this extension with, it might make a difference.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kostadin Kolev" <k.kolev1985@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 1:12 PM
Subject: [nvda] Download of the Weather Plus add-on


Hello all,


A friend of mine has reported to me that he has problems downloading the "Weather Plus" add-on for NVDA from here:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/weatherPlus.en.html

He says that when he downloads the add-on, its extension is not .nvda-addon, but .zip. I also noticed some peculiarities while trying to download this add-on. In Firefox, while using its integrated download mechanism, the add-on gets the correct extension. But if I use Internet Download Manager in Firefox, the given extension is .zip. I've tested with Internet Explorer and Microsoft Edge with their integrated download mechanisms and the given extension is .zip, instead of .nvda-addon. I don't have such problems with other add-ons that I download from the official NVDA add-ons website, even if I use Internet Download Manager via Firefox to do the downloading. So, any idea what's going on?

Thanks much in advance!


______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


Re: Download of the Weather Plus add-on

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This is in fact a zip file and some servers seem to actually not allow you to keep dodgy extensions. If it looks like a zip walks like a zip it gets called a zip. I remember all the fiddling about to get this to work correctly back some years back. In fact its not a major issue, you can of course call it what you like when you are pronpted for a file name to save it as!
Why its happening to this particular download is a mystery.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kostadin Kolev" <k.kolev1985@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 1:12 PM
Subject: [nvda] Download of the Weather Plus add-on


Hello all,


A friend of mine has reported to me that he has problems downloading the "Weather Plus" add-on for NVDA from here:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/weatherPlus.en.html

He says that when he downloads the add-on, its extension is not .nvda-addon, but .zip. I also noticed some peculiarities while trying to download this add-on. In Firefox, while using its integrated download mechanism, the add-on gets the correct extension. But if I use Internet Download Manager in Firefox, the given extension is .zip. I've tested with Internet Explorer and Microsoft Edge with their integrated download mechanisms and the given extension is .zip, instead of .nvda-addon. I don't have such problems with other add-ons that I download from the official NVDA add-ons website, even if I use Internet Download Manager via Firefox to do the downloading. So, any idea what's going on?

Thanks much in advance!


______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


Re: HTML email [was: Re: [nvda] Download of the Weather Plus add-on]

Chris
 

I get the same

 

I don’t know what has happened in that particular message but its showing the html code along with the message in plain text, so is difficult to read with a scfeen reader

I don’t see this happening very often but I’m pretty sure it wont be the mail app I’m using

But rather how the  message was created by the sender

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: 02 October 2017 15:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: HTML email [was: Re: [nvda] Download of the Weather Plus add-on]

 

Which e-mail program are you using?  I am reading mail as plain text and I have no such problems.  You may have problems elsewhere and it might be useful to discuss the matter.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 7:42 AM

Subject: HTML email [was: Re: [nvda] Download of the Weather Plus add-on]

 

Please could you avoid posting HTML-only emails to the list?

Post either plain-text or plain-text plus HTML, but please not just the HTML.

It makes things very difficult to read for those of us who prefer text-only
email.

Thanks,

Antony.

On Monday 02 October 2017 at 14:36:21, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

> <html>
>   <head>
>     <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
>   </head>
>   <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
>     <p>Hello Ollie,<br>
>     </p>
>     <p>That is why I use Firefox. 😀 I don't know which browser he used.
>       I can't force him to use a specific browser, even if I know that
>       browser may be the best one. 😀 I told him to change the extension
>       and that worked. But do I have to tell that to everyone that
>       downloads that add-on with the "wrong" browser? And that is not
>       the point. As I said - why it does not happen to other add-ons on
>       the same website? The problem is with this specific add-on and
>       that is the main reason why I've reported it and I mentioned the
>       specific add-on with which it occurs. Otherwise  I would have
>       reported this as affecting the whole NVDA add-ons website.<br>
>     </p>
>     <p>______<br>
>       Best wishes,<br>
>       Kostadin Kolev</p>

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If you were ploughing a field, which would you rather use - two strong oxen or
1024 chickens?

 - Seymour Cray, pioneer of supercomputing

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question about the punctuation settings

Laurie Mehta
 

Is there a symbol list someplace that lists what symbols are spoken in using the various punctuation settings?
Symbol level all and symbol level none are obvious, but what symbols are included or omitted in being spoken when using the settings: symbol level some and symbol level most?

Thanks,
LM