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Re: Less Verbosity In Task Manager?

Gene
 

I don't have Windows 11 and I don't know if this has changed.  In Windows 10, you won't see all the same things but you can get to a list of processes that is similar to the list in Windows 7 in the Task Manager.  Once you open it, use the command control tab many times to get to a part of the dialog called details.
I believe you have to tab once to get to the list. 

In Windows 10, you shouldn't hear excessive verbosity and you can move through the list in the same way as in Windows 7.

Gene

On 7/1/2022 10:31 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

I find Task  Manager to be very verbose, at least when navigating the list of processes to disable something.

 

Here’s an example of what I hear, after I arrow to Microsoft Outlook in the list.

 

List of items  list

Apps  grouping

Process: Microsoft Outlook

 

I’ve explored document options in NVDA Settings, and can’t seem to reduce this much.

Am I missing something simple and obvious?

 

Thanks

Chris

 
Re: Add-on Updater and Windows App Essentials 22.07 released #addonrelease

Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...>
 

Awesome! Thanks for these tips for future. So I'll go ahead and update these 2 then.

Gera
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El 1 jul 2022, a la(s) 10:27 a.m., Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> escribió:

On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 11:16 AM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:
And are these backward compatible, with NVDA 2021.3.5?
-
The answer to this question is, "Yes."

I would ask all members who have questions about the compatibility of any NVDA Add-On with a specific version of NVDA to consult the NVDA Community Add-Ons Site

 

 and/or the NVDA Add-Ons Directory (hosted by the Spanish-Speaking NVDA Community Association) since both routinely have compatibility information listed for each and every add-on. 
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Less Verbosity In Task Manager?

Chris Smart
 

I find Task  Manager to be very verbose, at least when navigating the list of processes to disable something.

 

Here’s an example of what I hear, after I arrow to Microsoft Outlook in the list.

 

List of items  list

Apps  grouping

Process: Microsoft Outlook

 

I’ve explored document options in NVDA Settings, and can’t seem to reduce this much.

Am I missing something simple and obvious?

 

Thanks

Chris

 
Re: Add-on Updater and Windows App Essentials 22.07 released #addonrelease

Brian Vogel
 
Edited

On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 11:16 AM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:
And are these backward compatible, with NVDA 2021.3.5?
-
The answer to this question is, "Yes."

I would ask all members who have questions about the compatibility of any NVDA Add-On with a specific version of NVDA to consult the NVDA Community Add-Ons Site

and/or the NVDA Add-Ons Directory (hosted by the Spanish-Speaking NVDA Community Association) since both routinely have compatibility information listed for each and every add-on. 
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Re: Add-on Updater and Windows App Essentials 22.07 released #addonrelease

Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...>
 

And are these backward compatible, with NVDA 2021.3.5? I haven't updated mine yet because of the Input Gesture bug mentioned before.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

El 1 jul 2022, a la(s) 8:19 a.m., Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> escribió:



Hi all,

Add-on Updater and Windows App Essentials 22.07 is now available via Add-on Updater and other channels. Highlights include localization updates and bug fixes.

Changelog:

  • Add-on Updater: add-on download progress dialog is now centered on screen. Thanks to work from Luke Davis, parts of the add-on source code was cleaned up.
  • Windows App Essentials: this is the first add-on release to support upcoming Windows 11 Version 22H2 (build 22621). If you are using Widows 10, unsupported Windows release dialog will now show list of supported releases. In Mail app, table navigation commands used in mail items is deprecated and will be removed in a future release.

 

Enjoy the new add-on releases.

Cheers,

Joseph
Re: Add-on Updater and Windows App Essentials 22.07 released #addonrelease

anthony borg
 

Many thanks Joseph.

Best regards

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 01 July 2022 14:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Add-on Updater and Widnows App Essentials 22.07 released #AddonRelease

 

Hi all,

Add-on Updater and Windows App Essentials 22.07 is now available via Add-on Updater and other channels. Highlights include localization updates and bug fixes.

Changelog:

  • Add-on Updater: add-on download progress dialog is now centered on screen. Thanks to work from Luke Davis, parts of the add-on source code was cleaned up.
  • Windows App Essentials: this is the first add-on release to support upcoming Windows 11 Version 22H2 (build 22621). If you are using Widows 10, unsupported Windows release dialog will now show list of supported releases. In Mail app, table navigation commands used in mail items is deprecated and will be removed in a future release.

 

Enjoy the new add-on releases.

Cheers,

Joseph
Re: What are NVDA Add-Ons and What Are They Used For?

Chris Smart
 

You know, I don’t think the User Guide actually says what Add-Ons are for, but mentions them a lot, in various contexts.

 

Add-Ons are little programs or configurations supplied by users which add to or change NVDA’s functionality.

Click Here to Visit the Add-Ons Community.

 

Chris

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenny Nead
Sent: July 1, 2022 9:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] What are NVDA Add-Ons and What Are They Used For?

 

Hi, I just started with NVDA, and do not understand what the add-ons are for. Can someone please explain it to me. I am using Windows 10.

Re: What are NVDA Add-Ons and What Are They Used For?

Aravind R
 

NVDA Add ons are additional functions, developed by third parties
which will work with NVDA to give us more facilities and improve our
working capabilities.
For example, OCR in windows10 on photos and PDFS are done more
efficiently using one add on"NAO".
Captcha image reading is done by one add on called cloud vision which
is not present in NVDA.
In future, these add on functions might be included in NVDA itself.
There are hundreds of add ons, which will enhance accessibility in
various areas including language translations.

On 01/07/2022, Kenny Nead <knead54@...> wrote:
Hi, I just started with NVDA, and do not understand what the add-ons are
for. Can someone please explain it to me. I am using Windows 10.






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Re: What are NVDA Add-Ons and What Are They Used For?

Brian Vogel
 

Kenny,

Just in case you may be a former (or even current) JAWS user Add-Ons are analogous to JAWS Scripts.  You can also consider them, in the NVDA screen reader sphere, to be analgous to web browser add-ons/extensions for a given web browser.

NVDA itself, the core code, has certain functions it performs but it, like all screen readers, is not "all things to all people."  It offers the ability for third parties to create add-ons that provide functionality that the core code does not.  Every once in a great while something that started out life as an add-on gets integrated into NVDA core code.  One good example of that which is currently "in the pipeline" is that the Add-On Updater Add-On functions are supposed to be integrated into NVDA itself at some point in the future.

It is impossible to state briefly what add-ons are for because there are just so many and they do so many different things.  There is no one I know of who has anywhere near to every one of the NVDA add-ons installed and active because they don't need or want a lot of the things certain add-ons do.  It's a "mix and match" situation where you pick and choose according to needs you have.

The two primary download Sources for most NVDA Add-Ons (some home-grown ones will appear in neither location) are:

NVDA Community Add-Ons Site

NVDA Add-Ons Directory (hosted by the Spanish-Speaking NVDA Community Association)
Your best bet as far as learning about what they're used for is going to the Community Add-Ons Site as a starting point and looking at the names of the add-ons, and clicking through to look at the more detailed descriptions as well.

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The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill
What are NVDA Add-Ons and What Are They Used For?

Kenny Nead
 

Hi, I just started with NVDA, and do not understand what the add-ons are for. Can someone please explain it to me. I am using Windows 10.

Add-on Updater and Windows App Essentials 22.07 released #addonrelease

Joseph Lee
 

Hi all,

Add-on Updater and Windows App Essentials 22.07 is now available via Add-on Updater and other channels. Highlights include localization updates and bug fixes.

Changelog:

  • Add-on Updater: add-on download progress dialog is now centered on screen. Thanks to work from Luke Davis, parts of the add-on source code was cleaned up.
  • Windows App Essentials: this is the first add-on release to support upcoming Windows 11 Version 22H2 (build 22621). If you are using Widows 10, unsupported Windows release dialog will now show list of supported releases. In Mail app, table navigation commands used in mail items is deprecated and will be removed in a future release.

 

Enjoy the new add-on releases.

Cheers,

Joseph
Re: The blog portion of this site changes to British English

Brian's Mail list account
 

Of course in the UK it all comes out in British English, so there is no way to know. However I have encountered some bizarre sites over the years that switch languages all over the place for no apparent reason, and then those settings come in very handy!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2022 4:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The blog portion of this site changes to British English


Uncheck language switching and dialect switching, the next setting in
the same dialog. If you don't have settings set to be saved on exit,
save the settings after activating the OK button with control NVDA key c.

On 6/30/2022 10:06 PM, Governor staten wrote:
Hello folks. I'd like to know if you see the same thing on this site?


I frequently visit:

https://element.io

The chosen voice is English American.


Now, go to this site:

https://element.io/blog/

Press "h" and start reading from there. While the voice doesn't change
from American English, the dialect seems to change. When I uncheck
language switching and close the settings window, everything is okay.
The British accent is annoying to me. Is there a way to stop this from
happening? I hope this is clear.
Re: The blog portion of this site changes to British English

Gene
 

Uncheck language switching and dialect switching, the next setting in the same dialog.  If you don't have settings set to be saved on exit, save the settings after activating the OK button with control NVDA key c.

On 6/30/2022 10:06 PM, Governor staten wrote:

Hello folks. I'd like to know if you see the same thing on this site?


I frequently visit:

https://element.io

The chosen voice is English American.


Now, go to this site:

https://element.io/blog/

Press "h" and start reading from there. While the voice doesn't change from American English, the dialect seems to change. When I uncheck language switching and close the settings window, everything is okay. The British accent is annoying to me. Is there a way to stop this from happening? I hope this is clear.







The blog portion of this site changes to British English

Governor staten
 

Hello folks. I'd like to know if you see the same thing on this site?


I frequently visit:

https://element.io

The chosen voice is English American.


Now, go to this site:

https://element.io/blog/

Press "h" and start reading from there. While the voice doesn't change from American English, the dialect seems to change. When I uncheck language switching and close the settings window, everything is okay. The British accent is annoying to me. Is there a way to stop this from happening? I hope this is clear.
Re: signing in as host on Zoom

Gtt North Bay
 

Yes Bob, the room needs to be I think it is called open in the settings on the web at zoom.us otherwise you could not get into the room to claim host as far as I know.
If the room is open then once in the room you can go to the participant list and then go to your name and tab to more option and down arrow to claim host which will pop up a window put the key in and press enter and you should be made host.

Thanks,
Brian B.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: June 30, 2022 9:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] signing in as host on Zoom

According to the below article, it is possible to claim host privileges if the host key is known, which it is in this case. What I am not sure about is if the account has to be set up for anyone to come in and start talking, which this one isn't.
https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/205172555-Using-your-host-key

On 6/29/22, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io <bglists@...> wrote:
It is apparently to do with security. You don't want people to be able
to hack in as a host without the owners consent.
I actually am Zoomed out since the pandemic, and have not used it
recently.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2022 5:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] signing in as host on Zoom


No, she will have to start the meeting, then grant you host via a
right click on your name under participants. This is how I did this. Good luck.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob
Cavanaugh
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2022 8:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] signing in as host on Zoom

Hi all,
I'm guest hosting our monthly Zoom meeting for my friend who is going
to be

in Omaha this weekend. We've been on Zoom trying to figure out how to
grant

me host privileges. She at first couldn't find her host key, but once
we figured out that, she sent it to me, the theory being that when the
time comes for hosting the meeting, I can sign in as host. The problem
is that I

can't find the button to do so on the desktop client using NVDA. Can
anyone

help please?
Re: signing in as host on Zoom

Bob Cavanaugh
 

According to the below article, it is possible to claim host
privileges if the host key is known, which it is in this case. What I
am not sure about is if the account has to be set up for anyone to
come in and start talking, which this one isn't.
https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/205172555-Using-your-host-key

On 6/29/22, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io
<bglists@...> wrote:
It is apparently to do with security. You don't want people to be able to
hack in as a host without the owners consent.
I actually am Zoomed out since the pandemic, and have not used it
recently.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2022 5:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] signing in as host on Zoom


No, she will have to start the meeting, then grant you host via a right
click on your name under participants. This is how I did this. Good luck.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2022 8:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] signing in as host on Zoom

Hi all,
I'm guest hosting our monthly Zoom meeting for my friend who is going to be

in Omaha this weekend. We've been on Zoom trying to figure out how to grant

me host privileges. She at first couldn't find her host key, but once we
figured out that, she sent it to me, the theory being that when the time
comes for hosting the meeting, I can sign in as host. The problem is that I

can't find the button to do so on the desktop client using NVDA. Can anyone

help please?
Re: reducing the frequency of progress updates

Gene
 

There are, I believe, three levels that live regions can be set to by those who place them somewhere such as on a web page.  One of the settings, as I recall, interrupts other speech when it is in progress and I believe the other two don't, though I don't know details about the other settings.

Gene

On 6/30/2022 3:03 PM, Jason Bratcher wrote:

Not that I should be saying this,
but I thought "live regions" could either be "aggressive" or "assertive".

Jason Bratcher







Re: "input gesture dialog" bug

bering.p
 

Hi.
OK Cyril.
I think the discussion is closed on this list.
Best regards.

Paul.
Le 30/06/2022 23:34, Cyrille via groups.io a écrit :

Hi Paul

Yes, for technical details, this can be discussed:
1. In the GitHub issue, best place in my opinion
2. On the nvda-devel mailing list
3. On another technical list, e.g. the French NVDA script list if you prefer continue in French.
4. Privately if needed; worst place in my opinion, but you may have any good reason to do it.

Cheers,

Cyrille


On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 01:53 AM, bering.p wrote:
Hi.
OK, maybe it's better to discuss this on the scriptNVDA list?
Best regards.
Paul.
Le 30/06/2022 09:39, Cyrille via groups.io a écrit :
Hi Paul

Yes, if you have investigated the root cause of the issue, that may be valuable to describe it in the ticket, except if the log makes it already obvious.
You may also describe the work-around you have used in your add-on to solve it; it may be a source of inspiration for someone wanting to implement a pull-request to fix the issue. But beware that NVAccess will probably want to fix the root cause of the issue if possible. Thus, if this solution is a workaround that does not solve the root cause, they may not accept it in a PR.

Cheers,

Cyrille

On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 02:06 PM, bering.p wrote:
Thanks Cyril.
I took the time because I had it, but I won't do it every day.
Others will have done it much faster than me.
For information, I have worked around this problem in my add-on.
If necessary, I will explain it when answering the ticket.
Best regards.

Paul.
Le 29/06/2022 21:55, Cyrille via groups.io a écrit :
Paul, I have seen that you have opened the ticket.
Thanks and congratulations!
For reference, here is the link: #13854.

Cyrille

On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 08:44 AM, Cyrille wrote:
Hi all

@Paul,
Why don't you open the ticket yourself? You have all the skills to do it. The technical description that you made of this issue is more than correct with a detailed way to reproduce the issue. And your English, as written in your messages, is also correct.
If something else is blocking you, just let us know and we can help, here or in GitHub once the ticket is opened.

@Gene:
A common consequence of an error occurring in the GUI is that the GUI may not work as expected in the future. For example if you add the following steps to Paul's steps:
- close the input gesture window
- open a new input gesture window
- open a new input gesture window
- open a new input gesture window
- open a new input gesture window
- open a new input gesture window
- open a new input gesture window

You will end up with many input gesture window opened, whereas the standard behaviour of NVDA is to re-focus the input gesture window if it is already opened in the background.

Cheers,

Cyrille




On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 04:08 AM, bering.p wrote:
Hi,
I think I discovered an NVDA bug using the "input gestures" dialog.
I would like you to confirm this and if so, that one of you accustomed to the ticket, make one.
I consistently reproduce it with NVDA 2022.1 and 2022.2 beta and all add-ons disabled.
To do this:
- launch nvda with add-ons disabled,
- display the "Input gestures" dialog,
- press "end" to select the last category,
- go up two categories to select the "mouse" category,
- then "shift+tab" to position the cursor in the "filter" field,
- type "z".

A series of errors appear in the log.
Then, each time the "Input gestures" dialog is restarted, a new error is entered in the log.
Thank you.
Best regards.
Paul.
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Paul.
Re: "input gesture dialog" bug

Cyrille
 

Hi Paul

Yes, for technical details, this can be discussed:
1. In the GitHub issue, best place in my opinion
2. On the nvda-devel mailing list
3. On another technical list, e.g. the French NVDA script list if you prefer continue in French.
4. Privately if needed; worst place in my opinion, but you may have any good reason to do it.

Cheers,

Cyrille


On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 01:53 AM, bering.p wrote:
Hi.
OK, maybe it's better to discuss this on the scriptNVDA list?
Best regards.
Paul.
Le 30/06/2022 09:39, Cyrille via groups.io a écrit :
Hi Paul

Yes, if you have investigated the root cause of the issue, that may be valuable to describe it in the ticket, except if the log makes it already obvious.
You may also describe the work-around you have used in your add-on to solve it; it may be a source of inspiration for someone wanting to implement a pull-request to fix the issue. But beware that NVAccess will probably want to fix the root cause of the issue if possible. Thus, if this solution is a workaround that does not solve the root cause, they may not accept it in a PR.

Cheers,

Cyrille

On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 02:06 PM, bering.p wrote:
Thanks Cyril.
I took the time because I had it, but I won't do it every day.
Others will have done it much faster than me.
For information, I have worked around this problem in my add-on.
If necessary, I will explain it when answering the ticket.
Best regards.

Paul.
Le 29/06/2022 21:55, Cyrille via groups.io a écrit :
Paul, I have seen that you have opened the ticket.
Thanks and congratulations!
For reference, here is the link: #13854.

Cyrille

On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 08:44 AM, Cyrille wrote:
Hi all

@Paul,
Why don't you open the ticket yourself? You have all the skills to do it. The technical description that you made of this issue is more than correct with a detailed way to reproduce the issue. And your English, as written in your messages, is also correct.
If something else is blocking you, just let us know and we can help, here or in GitHub once the ticket is opened.

@Gene:
A common consequence of an error occurring in the GUI is that the GUI may not work as expected in the future. For example if you add the following steps to Paul's steps:
- close the input gesture window
- open a new input gesture window
- open a new input gesture window
- open a new input gesture window
- open a new input gesture window
- open a new input gesture window
- open a new input gesture window

You will end up with many input gesture window opened, whereas the standard behaviour of NVDA is to re-focus the input gesture window if it is already opened in the background.

Cheers,

Cyrille




On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 04:08 AM, bering.p wrote:
Hi,
I think I discovered an NVDA bug using the "input gestures" dialog.
I would like you to confirm this and if so, that one of you accustomed to the ticket, make one.
I consistently reproduce it with NVDA 2022.1 and 2022.2 beta and all add-ons disabled.
To do this:
- launch nvda with add-ons disabled,
- display the "Input gestures" dialog,
- press "end" to select the last category,
- go up two categories to select the "mouse" category,
- then "shift+tab" to position the cursor in the "filter" field,
- type "z".

A series of errors appear in the log.
Then, each time the "Input gestures" dialog is restarted, a new error is entered in the log.
Thank you.
Best regards.
Paul.
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Re: using nvda on google doodle polls

Mary Otten
 

I will do that. Given their miserable response to backing out on HID support in android, I am not going to hold my breath, but it can't hurt to write.


Mary

On 6/30/2022 2:12 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Mary Otten wrote:

Thanks for the help, Gene. I got sighted help; the whole thing is the worst doodle poll I've seen yet. They use to be accessible sometimes.
You might want to complain to Google Accessibility about this. There's no reason they need to be written as they are.

https://www.google.com/accessibility/

Luke
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