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NVDA and latest CCleaner with windows 10.

Michael Capelle <michael.capelle@...>
 

Hello all.
using ccleaner, win 10 springs creater, and latest NVDA, none of the items are saying checked or unchecked.
how do i fix this?


Re: Edit Combo Boxes

Andy
 

Thanks, I'll have to try that. i am not familiar enough with that control to know if that command will work.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...>
To: "nvda list list" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Edit Combo Boxes


Awht happens if you hit alt down arrow to open the combo box. Can you then type and it choose yoru option?

On May 7, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:

i am noticing an issue with edit boxes on some sites that offer you choices as you type. This is common on airline sites. With JAWS you can arrow down and find your choice, but this doesn't seem to happen with NVDA. Is there an NVDA exclusive keystroke that you need in order to make this happen?

Andy




Re: I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, Ok maybe it was getting to book marks I can't remember, is it accessible to go threw yore book marks? thanks in advance.

On 06/05/2018 23:26, David Moore wrote:
Not a problem at all!
Just press CTRL+D and press enter, and your bookmark is saved.
David Moore
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
*From: *Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io <mailto:the.big.white.shepherd@...>
*Sent: *Sunday, May 6, 2018 6:24 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now
Hi,   It used to be a problem to add new book marks is it Ok now?
On 06/05/2018 23:22, Jason White via Groups.Io wrote:

> Another advantage of Chrome is that it's accessible under Mac OS and
Chrome OS as well as Microsoft Windows, so if you use either of those operating systems you can easily let Chrome synchronize browser history and bookmarks across your devices.

>

> On 5/6/18, 14:05, "Angela Delicata" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf
of angeladelicata@...> wrote:

>

>      Hey guis!

>

>      I just want to thank you so much for having mentioned Chrome: I
finally

>      decided to try it again and my experience was really amazing! It
is very

>      fast and seems accessible using nvda!

>

>      So thank you again guys: you are a great help to me.

>

>      All the best and speak with you soon.

>      Ciao

>      Angela from Italy

>

>      Il 06/05/2018 19:53, Dejan Ristic ha scritto:

>      > To add to what Gene has said so far, let me also say that I
use Google

>      > Drive more than successfully via Chrome. As for streamings,
Live Video

>      > on Facebook is possible to use via Chrome, too. Gene has mentioned

>      > speed, so I will simply skip this. Let me also say that the Opera

>      > browser is a Chrome-like one, so I use it too because it largely

>      > reminds me of the Chrome's features. As to skype online, I've also

>      > used it with Chrome, for the skype app on my Win7 64bit
machine has

>      > gone through some errors while updating it from version to
version. As

>      > for downloading, I've found that Chrome is a bit slower than
Firefox,

>      > but it is not a tragedy. As to using Gmail in the Basic HTML view

>      > mode, Chrome is smooth, too. I also like the way the bookmarks in

>      > Chrome are arranged. I use them so much. As to the Messenger, I've

>      > found two accessibility issues:

>      >

>      >

>      > Firstly, I am unable to do the search of persons in messenger,
while I

>      > do not fail on the standard facebook.

>      >

>      >

>      > Secondly, if I wish to forward a message in messenger, I fail,
too,

>      > while I do not on facebook.

>      >

>      >

>      > I do not know how Firefox behaves as to these issues because it is

>      > almost unusable for me at the moment.

>      >

>      >

>      > On 06/05/2018 11:57, Gene wrote:

>      >> I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much

>      >> stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome.  At this point, I've
changed

>      >> my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as
Firefox

>      >> continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I
consider

>      >> Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested
it for

>      >> uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses.  I will
therefore only

>      >> address general browsing and the interface.  Others may want to

>      >> comment on other aspects I haven't compared.

>      >> This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of
discussion of

>      >> the interface.  I hope those interested in the subject find
it useful.

>      >> If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing,
you may

>      >> still not want to use Chrome as your main browser.  There are
various

>      >> considerations.  I'll explain why I changed my mind and what
you may

>      >> want to consider. You may have other or different
considerations as

>      >> well.

>      >> The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is
because it

>      >> loads pages faster than Firefox.  You may want to compare and
see if

>      >> the difference is important to you. There is a very noticeable

>      >> difference.  I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a

>      >> fast machine.  I compared them on a slow machine running XP
perhaps

>      >> six or eight months ago.  I had expected that, if Chrome was
faster,

>      >> there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the

>      >> machine was slow.  But there wasn't a difference that amounted to

>      >> anything.

>      >> I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine
running

>      >> Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that
Chrome is

>      >> faster.  There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my
Windows

>      >> 7 machine.  I don't know what the results would have been on
a fast

>      >> XP machine.

>      >> I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the
reason I

>      >> say it's better for general browsing.

>      >> The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet
Explorer.

>      >> It isn't difficult to learn but it is different.  You will likely

>      >> want a tutorial or some instructional material.  If you are
good at

>      >> learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at

>      >> least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early
learning by

>      >> using material.

>      >> The main things to know in terms of the differences in the

>      >> interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as

>      >> settings and history and there is one menu, which you can
open with

>      >> alt f, that is, hold alt and press f.  Of course, there are
submenus

>      >> and there are also items that open like web pages such as
settings.

>      >> I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from
the main

>      >> menu.

>      >> But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings

>      >> interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:

>      >> It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't

>      >> work as they should.  I tried to activate two buttons today and I

>      >> couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA.  I don't know what JAWS

>      >> does.  I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the

>      >> buttons.  I may have had to tab to the button because forms
mode may

>      >> not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that
interface,

>      >> at least at times.

>      >> I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in
browse

>      >> mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to
know if

>      >> that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether
that

>      >> was necessary.

>      >> There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.

>      >> One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book

>      >> marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as
Firefox

>      >> because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be

>      >> inaccessible.  I very recently learned from someone on a list I

>      >> follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated. I
say more

>      >> or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to
see that

>      >> it works well or reasonably well.  I'm hedging because I'd
want to

>      >> play with it more before saying just how well it works.  It'
appears

>      >> to work well from the very little testing I've done.  If you
are in

>      >> the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to
find

>      >> such as york times or new york times and you can up and down
arrow

>      >> through results.  Some of them will be search results using a
search

>      >> engine but the top results in the list should be from book
marks and

>      >> history.  Try reading the current line after typing to see if
that

>      >> contains the first result.  I haven't played with the feature
more

>      >> than a little and I'm not sure.  But if it works well, this would

>      >> eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other

>      >> words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use
in Chrome

>      >> as in Firefox.

>      >> If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use

>      >> them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you
want to

>      >> use.  and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new

>      >> interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of
course,

>      >> can determine questions like that.  It's nice to have pages
load a

>      >> good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from
user to

>      >> user.  But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you
may wish

>      >> to.

>      >> Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the
browsers

>      >> because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor,
which is

>      >> the JAWS name for the same thing.

>      >> So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and

>      >> using some web sites.  Control l moves you to the address
bar, just

>      >> as in Firefox.  I believe when you open Chrome, you are
automatically

>      >> placed on the address bar, but you can check.  If you want to
make

>      >> sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l.

>      >> I hope those who are interested in this subject find these
comments

>      >> useful.  If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or

>      >> another browser, they may want to try Chrome.  I haven't used
Edge at

>      >> all so I don't know how Edge compares.

>      >> Gene

>      >>

>      >

>      >

>      >

>      >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>


Re: NVDA and CCleaner (free, anyway)

Gene
 

Is there any reason not to continue to use the last compatible version of CCleaner?  I don't know if it should continue to be used as new versions of Windows 10 come out and there has just been one.  But I wonder how long it might be safe and effective to use the last compatible version.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Tyler Wood
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and CCleaner (free, anyway)

Even simpler.
Go to explorer, hit alt enter on the hard drive you want cleaned, tab to disk cleanup. When it comes up with the list of things to be cleaned, tab once more until you hear clean system files and hit that.
Now set your options and watch the magic happen.
It doesn't clean quite as much as c cleaner but better than nothing.

On 07-May-2018 11:29 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Use the option built into windows, at least for now.

From the run dialogue type

cleanmgr /sageset:1
and set yoru options
then from the run dialogue after hitting ok on that sage run dialogue type
cleanmgr /sagerun:1

and watch hopefully gigs of space be freed.

On May 7, 2018, at 9:26 AM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

is there a good alternative to c cleaner that is blind friendly?


On 5/7/2018 9:11 AM, Gene wrote:
The new version of CCleaner has been discussed on one or two lists I'm on and it has the check box problem you are describing.  I believe it is now considered inaccessible because of that problem.  One more program that is no longer accessible in a long and growing list.  I haven't seen the other problem you discussed but I'm very doubtful user error is involved.  It's probably just another aqccessibility problem or a related one.  I don't use the program and I don't know enough about it to say which.  Whatever the case, it appears that an older version needs to be used.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 9:30 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and CCleaner (free, anyway)

Hello All,

I was just trying out NVDA with the latest version of CCleaner free and seem to have encountered an accessibility issue that may be the result of operator error.

The "large buttons" that control which major function you're under can be reached by tabbing or up/down arrowing, and if you hit spacebar on any one of them its control buttons come up.  What is odd is that you still end up either tabbing or arrowing past the other major control buttons before you hit the "function control buttons" for the major function you've activated.

I do have problems reaching the individual checkboxes under the Options (major), Monitoring (minor) function.  It's odd because when I activate the Monitoring button, and if I have the NVDA Focus Highlight add-on running, there is clearly a quick scan down the list of controls, which are mostly checkboxes, but you cannot seem to come to rest on any of them to access them.

Is there a way to get oneself over into the "checkbox area" (for lack of a better term) of this function in order to be able to deal with the checkboxes.  Since mouse tracking is on by default I know that these exist as far as NVDA is concerned as when I hover over them I get appropriate feedback, I just can't seem to reach them via the keyboard, which would be essential.

--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  
     After all, a democracy based solely on the values of the majority, with no overriding ethical principles and processes, is nothing more than clubhouse democracy, great for those on the inside and a tyranny for those who fail to see eye to eye with the majority.
         ~ Paul Noeldner, May 16, 2007 

 

 

-- 
check out my song on youtube
https://youtu.be/YeWgx2LRu7Y




Re: NVDA and CCleaner (free, anyway)

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually the way I do it I notice more options  than the regular disk cleaner thing has to offer. Fred Langa offered that top in 2004 and I've ben using it ever since. He even suggested making a shell script to make the process faster. I might consider doing this.

On May 7, 2018, at 11:04 AM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Even simpler.
Go to explorer, hit alt enter on the hard drive you want cleaned, tab to disk cleanup. When it comes up with the list of things to be cleaned, tab once more until you hear clean system files and hit that.
Now set your options and watch the magic happen.
It doesn't clean quite as much as c cleaner but better than nothing.

On 07-May-2018 11:29 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Use the option built into windows, at least for now.

From the run dialogue type

cleanmgr /sageset:1
and set yoru options
then from the run dialogue after hitting ok on that sage run dialogue type
cleanmgr /sagerun:1

and watch hopefully gigs of space be freed.

On May 7, 2018, at 9:26 AM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

is there a good alternative to c cleaner that is blind friendly?


On 5/7/2018 9:11 AM, Gene wrote:
The new version of CCleaner has been discussed on one or two lists I'm on and it has the check box problem you are describing.  I believe it is now considered inaccessible because of that problem.  One more program that is no longer accessible in a long and growing list.  I haven't seen the other problem you discussed but I'm very doubtful user error is involved.  It's probably just another aqccessibility problem or a related one.  I don't use the program and I don't know enough about it to say which.  Whatever the case, it appears that an older version needs to be used.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 9:30 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and CCleaner (free, anyway)

Hello All,

I was just trying out NVDA with the latest version of CCleaner free and seem to have encountered an accessibility issue that may be the result of operator error.

The "large buttons" that control which major function you're under can be reached by tabbing or up/down arrowing, and if you hit spacebar on any one of them its control buttons come up.  What is odd is that you still end up either tabbing or arrowing past the other major control buttons before you hit the "function control buttons" for the major function you've activated.

I do have problems reaching the individual checkboxes under the Options (major), Monitoring (minor) function.  It's odd because when I activate the Monitoring button, and if I have the NVDA Focus Highlight add-on running, there is clearly a quick scan down the list of controls, which are mostly checkboxes, but you cannot seem to come to rest on any of them to access them.

Is there a way to get oneself over into the "checkbox area" (for lack of a better term) of this function in order to be able to deal with the checkboxes.  Since mouse tracking is on by default I know that these exist as far as NVDA is concerned as when I hover over them I get appropriate feedback, I just can't seem to reach them via the keyboard, which would be essential.

--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  
     After all, a democracy based solely on the values of the majority, with no overriding ethical principles and processes, is nothing more than clubhouse democracy, great for those on the inside and a tyranny for those who fail to see eye to eye with the majority.
         ~ Paul Noeldner, May 16, 2007 
 
 

-- 
check out my song on youtube
https://youtu.be/YeWgx2LRu7Y





Re: Edit Combo Boxes

Sarah k Alawami
 

Awht happens if you hit alt down arrow to open the combo box. Can you then type and it choose yoru option?

On May 7, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:

i am noticing an issue with edit boxes on some sites that offer you choices as you type. This is common on airline sites. With JAWS you can arrow down and find your choice, but this doesn't seem to happen with NVDA. Is there an NVDA exclusive keystroke that you need in order to make this happen?

Andy




Edit Combo Boxes

Andy
 

i am noticing an issue with edit boxes on some sites that offer you choices as you type. This is common on airline sites. With JAWS you can arrow down and find your choice, but this doesn't seem to happen with NVDA. Is there an NVDA exclusive keystroke that you need in order to make this happen?

Andy


Re: NVDA doesn't read contact suggestion in both the Windows 10 Mial app and the new Outlook.com

Mike Sedmak
 

I opened a new ticket on github for this:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8244

It looks like there was a similar issue back in 2012, but I could not
find any more recent tickets that appeared to match.

Please add comments of your system configs and any additional info you
can think of.

Thanks,
Mike

On 5/6/18, ely.r@... <ely.r@...> wrote:
Me three with Outlook.



Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413() 727-3038



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Sedmak
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 11:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't read contact suggestion in both the Windows
10 Mial app and the new Outlook.com



If you are referring to auto-completion when you start typing into the To:
or CC: fields, then yes I am having the same issue.



NVDA 2018.1

Windows 7 latest SP

Outlook 365, recently updated to latest.



Same on my windows 10 system.



Thanks,

Mike



, please forgive the typos.


On May 5, 2018, at 6:01 PM, Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...
<mailto:supanut2000@...> > wrote:

Hi all,
Subject says it all. Basically on my Windows 10 laptop NVDA won't
read/announce contact suggestions, both in the native Windows 10 Mail app
and the new Outlook.com <http://Outlook.com> .
Has anyone experiencing this issue?




Re: NVDA and CCleaner (free, anyway)

Tyler Wood
 

Even simpler.
Go to explorer, hit alt enter on the hard drive you want cleaned, tab to disk cleanup. When it comes up with the list of things to be cleaned, tab once more until you hear clean system files and hit that.
Now set your options and watch the magic happen.
It doesn't clean quite as much as c cleaner but better than nothing.

On 07-May-2018 11:29 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Use the option built into windows, at least for now.

From the run dialogue type

cleanmgr /sageset:1
and set yoru options
then from the run dialogue after hitting ok on that sage run dialogue type
cleanmgr /sagerun:1

and watch hopefully gigs of space be freed.

On May 7, 2018, at 9:26 AM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

is there a good alternative to c cleaner that is blind friendly?


On 5/7/2018 9:11 AM, Gene wrote:
The new version of CCleaner has been discussed on one or two lists I'm on and it has the check box problem you are describing.  I believe it is now considered inaccessible because of that problem.  One more program that is no longer accessible in a long and growing list.  I haven't seen the other problem you discussed but I'm very doubtful user error is involved.  It's probably just another aqccessibility problem or a related one.  I don't use the program and I don't know enough about it to say which.  Whatever the case, it appears that an older version needs to be used.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 9:30 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and CCleaner (free, anyway)

Hello All,

I was just trying out NVDA with the latest version of CCleaner free and seem to have encountered an accessibility issue that may be the result of operator error.

The "large buttons" that control which major function you're under can be reached by tabbing or up/down arrowing, and if you hit spacebar on any one of them its control buttons come up.  What is odd is that you still end up either tabbing or arrowing past the other major control buttons before you hit the "function control buttons" for the major function you've activated.

I do have problems reaching the individual checkboxes under the Options (major), Monitoring (minor) function.  It's odd because when I activate the Monitoring button, and if I have the NVDA Focus Highlight add-on running, there is clearly a quick scan down the list of controls, which are mostly checkboxes, but you cannot seem to come to rest on any of them to access them.

Is there a way to get oneself over into the "checkbox area" (for lack of a better term) of this function in order to be able to deal with the checkboxes.  Since mouse tracking is on by default I know that these exist as far as NVDA is concerned as when I hover over them I get appropriate feedback, I just can't seem to reach them via the keyboard, which would be essential.

--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  
     After all, a democracy based solely on the values of the majority, with no overriding ethical principles and processes, is nothing more than clubhouse democracy, great for those on the inside and a tyranny for those who fail to see eye to eye with the majority.
         ~ Paul Noeldner, May 16, 2007 
 
 

-- 
check out my song on youtube
https://youtu.be/YeWgx2LRu7Y




Re: I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

Gene
 

So f5 only works if Youtube already allows an ad to be skipped.  Youtube's proprietary skip ad command should work in that situation as well. 
 
This is another example of what I point out from time to time.  That using undocumented commands in programs and elsewhere may work but, as the Chrome behavior points out, it may unexpectedly not work in one context or another.  I therefore consider it best to use documented commands.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

It does if the message that it can be skipped is heard.

Some ads don’t give that message.

But F5 won’t work if it is done before that message comes up.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 11:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

When using Internet Explorer, does f5 always skip advertisements?  Youtube has it's own command for skipping ads and only ads that Youtube allows the command to work on can be skipped.  But f5, not being a Youtube command, does it skip all ads with that browser? 

 

Someone may give the Youtube skip ads command but it won't skip all ads. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 10:38 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

I know how to skip adds in IE but not in chrome. That's why I was asking.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 8:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

I don’t know about Chrome, but F5 does skip the ad in IE, but you need to wait until you hear the message:

This video ad can be skipped

If you press F5 before that, you will get a new ad.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

F5 isn't intended for skipping ads.  It refreshes any page.  It may be that this may cause an ad to be skipped but I would think it would usually just cause it to start playing over or cause a different advertisement to be played instead.  Youtube allows you to skip some ads with a specific command Youtube assigns for this purpose.  There is no universal skip ads command.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:01 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

Hi, David,

 

How do you skip a video add when one is playing in chrome? I tried f-5 but it didn't work. Other than that, I do like chrome.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

It sure is!

Just open the extensions page, and type just read in the search and enter on the first one in the list of choices. It works as well as the one for Firefox!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 7:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

What exaclty is Just read? is it a Chrome extention?

El 06/05/2018 a las 05:21 p.m., David Moore escribió:

Hi all!

I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years.

I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true.

If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list.

I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.

Just read works great for just reading an article on the page.

CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up.

Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing.

Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome!

David Moore

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From: juan gonzalez
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now

 

I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds.

 

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Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 9:28 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

 

Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks  in the old version due to navigational sounds.

Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.

On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor  devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.

 

Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back.

To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.

Brian

 

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM

Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

 

 

I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome.  At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses.  I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface.  Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared.

 

This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface.  I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.

 

If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser.  There are various considerations.  I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider.  You may have other or different considerations as well.

 

The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox.  You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you.  There is a very noticeable difference.  I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine.  I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago.  I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow.  But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.

 

I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster.  There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine.  I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.

 

I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing.

 

The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer.  It isn't difficult to learn but it is different.  You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material.  If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.

 

The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f.  Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings.

 

I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.

But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:

It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should.  I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA.  I don't know what JAWS does.  I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons.  I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.

 

I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.

 

There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.

 

One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible.  I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated.  I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well.  I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works.  It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done.  If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results.  Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history.  Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result.  I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure.  But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.

 

If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use.  and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox.  You, of course, can determine questions like that.  It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user.  But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.

 

Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.

 

So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites.  Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox.  I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check.  If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l.

 

I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful.

If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome.  I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares.

 

Gene

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

Gene
 

F5 is the refresh command in Chrome as well.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

Or if there is a way to refresh Chrome, that should do it too.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 11:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

Hi,

 

In chrome if adds are skipable you can do so by searching for a button that is labeled for skipping adds.  Once it shows up then clicking on it will indeed skip the add.  I do this all the time.

 

'some adds are not skipable and due to this a skip add button will not show up and you will just have to wait through the add.  What a pain. ;-)

 

Dan Beaver 

 

On 5/7/2018 11:38 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I know how to skip adds in IE but not in chrome. That's why I was asking.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 8:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

I don’t know about Chrome, but F5 does skip the ad in IE, but you need to wait until you hear the message:

This video ad can be skipped

If you press F5 before that, you will get a new ad.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

F5 isn't intended for skipping ads.  It refreshes any page.  It may be that this may cause an ad to be skipped but I would think it would usually just cause it to start playing over or cause a different advertisement to be played instead.  Youtube allows you to skip some ads with a specific command Youtube assigns for this purpose.  There is no universal skip ads command.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:01 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

Hi, David,

 

How do you skip a video add when one is playing in chrome? I tried f-5 but it didn't work. Other than that, I do like chrome.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

It sure is!

Just open the extensions page, and type just read in the search and enter on the first one in the list of choices. It works as well as the one for Firefox!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 7:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

What exaclty is Just read? is it a Chrome extention?

El 06/05/2018 a las 05:21 p.m., David Moore escribió:

Hi all!

I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years.

I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true.

If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list.

I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.

Just read works great for just reading an article on the page.

CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up.

Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing.

Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: juan gonzalez
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now

 

I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 9:28 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

 

Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks  in the old version due to navigational sounds.

Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.

On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor  devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.

 

Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back.

To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM

Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

 

 

I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome.  At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses.  I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface.  Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared.

 

This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface.  I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.

 

If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser.  There are various considerations.  I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider.  You may have other or different considerations as well.

 

The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox.  You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you.  There is a very noticeable difference.  I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine.  I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago.  I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow.  But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.

 

I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster.  There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine.  I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.

 

I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing.

 

The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer.  It isn't difficult to learn but it is different.  You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material.  If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.

 

The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f.  Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings.

 

I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.

But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:

It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should.  I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA.  I don't know what JAWS does.  I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons.  I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.

 

I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.

 

There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.

 

One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible.  I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated.  I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well.  I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works.  It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done.  If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results.  Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history.  Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result.  I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure.  But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.

 

If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use.  and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox.  You, of course, can determine questions like that.  It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user.  But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.

 

Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.

 

So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites.  Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox.  I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check.  If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l.

 

I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful.

If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome.  I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares.

 

Gene

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- 
Gera
Enviado desde Thunderbird

 

 


Re: I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,

 

I'm not sure about all adds but f-5 has worked for me whenever I've gone on to youtube to watch a movie or hear a song

 

Rosemarie

 

.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 9:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

When using Internet Explorer, does f5 always skip advertisements?  Youtube has it's own command for skipping ads and only ads that Youtube allows the command to work on can be skipped.  But f5, not being a Youtube command, does it skip all ads with that browser? 

 

Someone may give the Youtube skip ads command but it won't skip all ads. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 10:38 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

I know how to skip adds in IE but not in chrome. That's why I was asking.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 8:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

I don’t know about Chrome, but F5 does skip the ad in IE, but you need to wait until you hear the message:

This video ad can be skipped

If you press F5 before that, you will get a new ad.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

F5 isn't intended for skipping ads.  It refreshes any page.  It may be that this may cause an ad to be skipped but I would think it would usually just cause it to start playing over or cause a different advertisement to be played instead.  Youtube allows you to skip some ads with a specific command Youtube assigns for this purpose.  There is no universal skip ads command.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:01 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

Hi, David,

 

How do you skip a video add when one is playing in chrome? I tried f-5 but it didn't work. Other than that, I do like chrome.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

It sure is!

Just open the extensions page, and type just read in the search and enter on the first one in the list of choices. It works as well as the one for Firefox!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 7:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

What exaclty is Just read? is it a Chrome extention?

El 06/05/2018 a las 05:21 p.m., David Moore escribió:

Hi all!

I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years.

I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true.

If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list.

I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.

Just read works great for just reading an article on the page.

CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up.

Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing.

Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: juan gonzalez
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now

 

I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 9:28 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

 

Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks  in the old version due to navigational sounds.

Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.

On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor  devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.

 

Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back.

To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM

Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

 

 

I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome.  At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses.  I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface.  Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared.

 

This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface.  I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.

 

If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser.  There are various considerations.  I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider.  You may have other or different considerations as well.

 

The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox.  You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you.  There is a very noticeable difference.  I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine.  I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago.  I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow.  But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.

 

I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster.  There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine.  I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.

 

I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing.

 

The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer.  It isn't difficult to learn but it is different.  You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material.  If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.

 

The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f.  Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings.

 

I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.

But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:

It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should.  I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA.  I don't know what JAWS does.  I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons.  I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.

 

I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.

 

There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.

 

One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible.  I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated.  I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well.  I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works.  It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done.  If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results.  Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history.  Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result.  I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure.  But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.

 

If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use.  and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox.  You, of course, can determine questions like that.  It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user.  But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.

 

Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.

 

So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites.  Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox.  I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check.  If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l.

 

I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful.

If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome.  I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares.

 

Gene

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

Ervin, Glenn
 

It does if the message that it can be skipped is heard.

Some ads don’t give that message.

But F5 won’t work if it is done before that message comes up.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 11:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

When using Internet Explorer, does f5 always skip advertisements?  Youtube has it's own command for skipping ads and only ads that Youtube allows the command to work on can be skipped.  But f5, not being a Youtube command, does it skip all ads with that browser? 

 

Someone may give the Youtube skip ads command but it won't skip all ads. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 10:38 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

I know how to skip adds in IE but not in chrome. That's why I was asking.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 8:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

I don’t know about Chrome, but F5 does skip the ad in IE, but you need to wait until you hear the message:

This video ad can be skipped

If you press F5 before that, you will get a new ad.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

F5 isn't intended for skipping ads.  It refreshes any page.  It may be that this may cause an ad to be skipped but I would think it would usually just cause it to start playing over or cause a different advertisement to be played instead.  Youtube allows you to skip some ads with a specific command Youtube assigns for this purpose.  There is no universal skip ads command.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:01 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

Hi, David,

 

How do you skip a video add when one is playing in chrome? I tried f-5 but it didn't work. Other than that, I do like chrome.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

It sure is!

Just open the extensions page, and type just read in the search and enter on the first one in the list of choices. It works as well as the one for Firefox!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 7:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

What exaclty is Just read? is it a Chrome extention?

El 06/05/2018 a las 05:21 p.m., David Moore escribió:

Hi all!

I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years.

I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true.

If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list.

I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.

Just read works great for just reading an article on the page.

CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up.

Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing.

Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: juan gonzalez
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now

 

I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 9:28 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

 

Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks  in the old version due to navigational sounds.

Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.

On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor  devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.

 

Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back.

To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM

Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

 

 

I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome.  At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses.  I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface.  Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared.

 

This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface.  I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.

 

If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser.  There are various considerations.  I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider.  You may have other or different considerations as well.

 

The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox.  You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you.  There is a very noticeable difference.  I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine.  I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago.  I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow.  But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.

 

I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster.  There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine.  I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.

 

I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing.

 

The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer.  It isn't difficult to learn but it is different.  You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material.  If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.

 

The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f.  Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings.

 

I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.

But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:

It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should.  I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA.  I don't know what JAWS does.  I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons.  I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.

 

I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.

 

There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.

 

One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible.  I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated.  I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well.  I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works.  It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done.  If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results.  Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history.  Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result.  I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure.  But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.

 

If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use.  and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox.  You, of course, can determine questions like that.  It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user.  But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.

 

Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.

 

So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites.  Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox.  I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check.  If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l.

 

I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful.

If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome.  I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares.

 

Gene

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- 
Gera
Enviado desde Thunderbird

 


Re: I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

Gene
 

When using Internet Explorer, does f5 always skip advertisements?  Youtube has it's own command for skipping ads and only ads that Youtube allows the command to work on can be skipped.  But f5, not being a Youtube command, does it skip all ads with that browser? 
 
Someone may give the Youtube skip ads command but it won't skip all ads. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

I know how to skip adds in IE but not in chrome. That's why I was asking.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 8:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

I don’t know about Chrome, but F5 does skip the ad in IE, but you need to wait until you hear the message:

This video ad can be skipped

If you press F5 before that, you will get a new ad.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

F5 isn't intended for skipping ads.  It refreshes any page.  It may be that this may cause an ad to be skipped but I would think it would usually just cause it to start playing over or cause a different advertisement to be played instead.  Youtube allows you to skip some ads with a specific command Youtube assigns for this purpose.  There is no universal skip ads command.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:01 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

Hi, David,

 

How do you skip a video add when one is playing in chrome? I tried f-5 but it didn't work. Other than that, I do like chrome.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

It sure is!

Just open the extensions page, and type just read in the search and enter on the first one in the list of choices. It works as well as the one for Firefox!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 7:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

What exaclty is Just read? is it a Chrome extention?

El 06/05/2018 a las 05:21 p.m., David Moore escribió:

Hi all!

I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years.

I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true.

If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list.

I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.

Just read works great for just reading an article on the page.

CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up.

Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing.

Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: juan gonzalez
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now

 

I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 9:28 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

 

Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks  in the old version due to navigational sounds.

Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.

On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor  devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.

 

Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back.

To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM

Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

 

 

I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome.  At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses.  I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface.  Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared.

 

This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface.  I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.

 

If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser.  There are various considerations.  I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider.  You may have other or different considerations as well.

 

The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox.  You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you.  There is a very noticeable difference.  I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine.  I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago.  I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow.  But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.

 

I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster.  There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine.  I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.

 

I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing.

 

The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer.  It isn't difficult to learn but it is different.  You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material.  If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.

 

The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f.  Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings.

 

I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.

But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:

It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should.  I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA.  I don't know what JAWS does.  I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons.  I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.

 

I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.

 

There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.

 

One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible.  I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated.  I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well.  I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works.  It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done.  If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results.  Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history.  Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result.  I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure.  But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.

 

If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use.  and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox.  You, of course, can determine questions like that.  It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user.  But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.

 

Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.

 

So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites.  Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox.  I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check.  If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l.

 

I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful.

If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome.  I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares.

 

Gene

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- 
Gera
Enviado desde Thunderbird

 


Re: I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

Gene
 

That's interesting.  I had thought it wouldn't work or not reliably on Youtube but evidently in Firefox and Internet Explorer, it may.  I wouldn't expect it to work reliably on various sites and on some sites I would not expect it to work at all.  Experimentation would tell. 
 
Gene
----- Oritginal Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

I don’t know about Chrome, but F5 does skip the ad in IE, but you need to wait until you hear the message:

This video ad can be skipped

If you press F5 before that, you will get a new ad.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

F5 isn't intended for skipping ads.  It refreshes any page.  It may be that this may cause an ad to be skipped but I would think it would usually just cause it to start playing over or cause a different advertisement to be played instead.  Youtube allows you to skip some ads with a specific command Youtube assigns for this purpose.  There is no universal skip ads command.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:01 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

Hi, David,

 

How do you skip a video add when one is playing in chrome? I tried f-5 but it didn't work. Other than that, I do like chrome.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

It sure is!

Just open the extensions page, and type just read in the search and enter on the first one in the list of choices. It works as well as the one for Firefox!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 7:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

What exaclty is Just read? is it a Chrome extention?

El 06/05/2018 a las 05:21 p.m., David Moore escribió:

Hi all!

I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years.

I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true.

If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list.

I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.

Just read works great for just reading an article on the page.

CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up.

Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing.

Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: juan gonzalez
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now

 

I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 9:28 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

 

Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks  in the old version due to navigational sounds.

Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.

On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor  devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.

 

Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back.

To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM

Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

 

 

I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome.  At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses.  I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface.  Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared.

 

This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface.  I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.

 

If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser.  There are various considerations.  I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider.  You may have other or different considerations as well.

 

The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox.  You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you.  There is a very noticeable difference.  I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine.  I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago.  I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow.  But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.

 

I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster.  There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine.  I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.

 

I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing.

 

The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer.  It isn't difficult to learn but it is different.  You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material.  If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.

 

The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f.  Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings.

 

I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.

But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:

It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should.  I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA.  I don't know what JAWS does.  I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons.  I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.

 

I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.

 

There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.

 

One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible.  I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated.  I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well.  I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works.  It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done.  If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results.  Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history.  Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result.  I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure.  But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.

 

If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use.  and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox.  You, of course, can determine questions like that.  It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user.  But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.

 

Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.

 

So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites.  Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox.  I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check.  If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l.

 

I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful.

If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome.  I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares.

 

Gene

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

Sarah k Alawami
 

Nah I'm good. I get my alerts and always look at my page to see what's going on. I persnally think a system at least wiht no extra sounds for web runs a lot faster, and it's a lot less to focus on dedicating the mind to somethingn else.

On May 7, 2018, at 1:37 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:

If there is one for other sounds that would be good. As you may be aware, sites like Amazon among others constantly refresh bits of their pages, and without the little clicks you might not realise this is going on. also on page redirects, if you have any alerts off, then you can wonder what the heck is going on.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now


The one I use is called Download notifier.  Here's how to get it.
First, you must open extensions in Chrome.  You can enter chrome://extensions in the address bar that you are placed in when you start chrome or you can press alt plus f, then l for more tools then e for extensions.
You should land in the search extensions edit box.  If you don't land there, tab to the search box.
type download notifier in the search box and press enter.
You should then be taken to the download notifier page where you can install the extension.
It's easier than it sounds in my explanation.

George

-----Original Message----- From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 11:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

Wow how can I get them, and what is it called the one for when downloads
are complete in Chrome?


El 06/05/2018 a las 10:59 a.m., George McCoy escribió:
There are Chrome extensions, one of which plays a sound when downloasds are finished and one that plays sounds for various events that can be configured.

George

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Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current
firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is
refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks  in the old version due to
navigational sounds.
Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new
browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites
now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have
things like modal windows whatever they are.
On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45,
as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that
the code is made for multi processor  devices, not single core ones.This is
also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page
loading times.

Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see
the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come
back.
To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in
effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
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Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM
Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much
more now


I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger
liking for Firefox than Chrome.  At this point, I've changed my mind and,
unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to
implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be
superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as
streaming or RSS or other uses.  I will therefore only address general
browsing and the interface.  Others may want to comment on other aspects I
haven't compared.

This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the
interface.  I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.

If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still
not want to use Chrome as your main browser.  There are various
considerations.  I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to
consider.  You may have other or different considerations as well.

The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads
pages faster than Firefox.  You may want to compare and see if the
difference is important to you.  There is a very noticeable difference. I
hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine. I compared
them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago.  I had
expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable
difference, even though the machine was slow.  But there wasn't a difference
that amounted to anything.

I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7
since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster. There is
a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine. I don't know
what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.

I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say
it's better for general browsing.

The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It
isn't difficult to learn but it is different.  You will likely want a
tutorial or some instructional material.  If you are good at learning by
exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in
depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.

The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are
that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and
there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and
press f.  Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open
like web pages such as settings.

I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.
But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface
doesn't work quite properly in the following way:
It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as
they should.  I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in
browse mode using NVDA.  I don't know what JAWS does.  I had to manually go
into forms mode, and activate the buttons.  I may have had to tab to the
button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse
mode in that interface, at least at times.

I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to
activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the
case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.

There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.

One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks
interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the
search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible. I very
recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be
more or less eliminated.  I say more or less because I haven't played with
it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well. I'm
hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it
works.  It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done. If
you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to
find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow
through results.  Some of them will be search results using a search engine
but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history. Try
reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first
result.  I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not
sure.  But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an
important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just
as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.

If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a
lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use. and
then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and
continuing to use the familiar Firefox.  You, of course, can determine
questions like that.  It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but
the importance of speed may vary from user to user.  But if you haven't
compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.

Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers
because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the
JAWS name for the same thing.

So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web
sites.  Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox.  I
believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address
bar, but you can check.  If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time
to execute control l.

I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful.
If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they
may want to try Chrome.  I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge
compares.

Gene








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Re: NVDA and CCleaner (free, anyway)

Sarah k Alawami
 

Use the option built into windows, at least for now.

From the run dialogue type

cleanmgr /sageset:1
and set yoru options
then from the run dialogue after hitting ok on that sage run dialogue type
cleanmgr /sagerun:1

and watch hopefully gigs of space be freed.

On May 7, 2018, at 9:26 AM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

is there a good alternative to c cleaner that is blind friendly?


On 5/7/2018 9:11 AM, Gene wrote:
The new version of CCleaner has been discussed on one or two lists I'm on and it has the check box problem you are describing.  I believe it is now considered inaccessible because of that problem.  One more program that is no longer accessible in a long and growing list.  I haven't seen the other problem you discussed but I'm very doubtful user error is involved.  It's probably just another aqccessibility problem or a related one.  I don't use the program and I don't know enough about it to say which.  Whatever the case, it appears that an older version needs to be used.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 9:30 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and CCleaner (free, anyway)

Hello All,

I was just trying out NVDA with the latest version of CCleaner free and seem to have encountered an accessibility issue that may be the result of operator error.

The "large buttons" that control which major function you're under can be reached by tabbing or up/down arrowing, and if you hit spacebar on any one of them its control buttons come up.  What is odd is that you still end up either tabbing or arrowing past the other major control buttons before you hit the "function control buttons" for the major function you've activated.

I do have problems reaching the individual checkboxes under the Options (major), Monitoring (minor) function.  It's odd because when I activate the Monitoring button, and if I have the NVDA Focus Highlight add-on running, there is clearly a quick scan down the list of controls, which are mostly checkboxes, but you cannot seem to come to rest on any of them to access them.

Is there a way to get oneself over into the "checkbox area" (for lack of a better term) of this function in order to be able to deal with the checkboxes.  Since mouse tracking is on by default I know that these exist as far as NVDA is concerned as when I hover over them I get appropriate feedback, I just can't seem to reach them via the keyboard, which would be essential.

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Re: NVDA and CCleaner (free, anyway)

 

is there a good alternative to c cleaner that is blind friendly?


On 5/7/2018 9:11 AM, Gene wrote:
The new version of CCleaner has been discussed on one or two lists I'm on and it has the check box problem you are describing.  I believe it is now considered inaccessible because of that problem.  One more program that is no longer accessible in a long and growing list.  I haven't seen the other problem you discussed but I'm very doubtful user error is involved.  It's probably just another aqccessibility problem or a related one.  I don't use the program and I don't know enough about it to say which.  Whatever the case, it appears that an older version needs to be used.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 9:30 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and CCleaner (free, anyway)

Hello All,

I was just trying out NVDA with the latest version of CCleaner free and seem to have encountered an accessibility issue that may be the result of operator error.

The "large buttons" that control which major function you're under can be reached by tabbing or up/down arrowing, and if you hit spacebar on any one of them its control buttons come up.  What is odd is that you still end up either tabbing or arrowing past the other major control buttons before you hit the "function control buttons" for the major function you've activated.

I do have problems reaching the individual checkboxes under the Options (major), Monitoring (minor) function.  It's odd because when I activate the Monitoring button, and if I have the NVDA Focus Highlight add-on running, there is clearly a quick scan down the list of controls, which are mostly checkboxes, but you cannot seem to come to rest on any of them to access them.

Is there a way to get oneself over into the "checkbox area" (for lack of a better term) of this function in order to be able to deal with the checkboxes.  Since mouse tracking is on by default I know that these exist as far as NVDA is concerned as when I hover over them I get appropriate feedback, I just can't seem to reach them via the keyboard, which would be essential.

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Re: I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

Dan Beaver
 

My experience is that if you refresh Chrome with F5 it just restarts the add it doesn't ghet past it.


Dan Beaver


On 5/7/2018 12:03 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

Or if there is a way to refresh Chrome, that should do it too.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 11:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

Hi,

 

n chrome if adds are skipable you can do so by searching for a button that is labeled for skipping adds.  Once it shows up then clicking on it will indeed skip the add.  I do this all the time.

 

'some adds are not skipable and due to this a skip add button will not show up and you will just have to wait through the add.  What a pain. ;-)

 

Dan Beaver 

 

On 5/7/2018 11:38 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I know how to skip adds in IE but not in chrome. That's why I was asking.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 8:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

I don’t know about Chrome, but F5 does skip the ad in IE, but you need to wait until you hear the message:

This video ad can be skipped

If you press F5 before that, you will get a new ad.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

F5 isn't intended for skipping ads.  It refreshes any page.  It may be that this may cause an ad to be skipped but I would think it would usually just cause it to start playing over or cause a different advertisement to be played instead.  Youtube allows you to skip some ads with a specific command Youtube assigns for this purpose.  There is no universal skip ads command.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:01 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

Hi, David,

 

How do you skip a video add when one is playing in chrome? I tried f-5 but it didn't work. Other than that, I do like chrome.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

It sure is!

Just open the extensions page, and type just read in the search and enter on the first one in the list of choices. It works as well as the one for Firefox!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 7:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now

 

What exaclty is Just read? is it a Chrome extention?

El 06/05/2018 a las 05:21 p.m., David Moore escribió:

Hi all!

I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years.

I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true.

If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list.

I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.

Just read works great for just reading an article on the page.

CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up.

Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing.

Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome!

David Moore

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From: juan gonzalez
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now

 

I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds.

 

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Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 9:28 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

 

Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks  in the old version due to navigational sounds.

Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.

On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor  devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.

 

Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back.

To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.

Brian

 

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Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM

Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now

 

 

I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome.  At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses.  I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface.  Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared.

 

This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface.  I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.

 

If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser.  There are various considerations.  I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider.  You may have other or different considerations as well.

 

The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox.  You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you.  There is a very noticeable difference.  I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine.  I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago.  I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow.  But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.

 

I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster.  There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine.  I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.

 

I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing.

 

The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer.  It isn't difficult to learn but it is different.  You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material.  If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.

 

The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f.  Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings.

 

I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.

But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:

It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should.  I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA.  I don't know what JAWS does.  I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons.  I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.

 

I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.

 

There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.

 

One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible.  I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated.  I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well.  I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works.  It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done.  If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results.  Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history.  Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result.  I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure.  But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.

 

If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use.  and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox.  You, of course, can determine questions like that.  It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user.  But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.

 

Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.

 

So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites.  Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox.  I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check.  If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l.

 

I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful.

If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome.  I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares.

 

Gene

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: NVDA and CCleaner (free, anyway)

Gene
 

The new version of CCleaner has been discussed on one or two lists I'm on and it has the check box problem you are describing.  I believe it is now considered inaccessible because of that problem.  One more program that is no longer accessible in a long and growing list.  I haven't seen the other problem you discussed but I'm very doubtful user error is involved.  It's probably just another aqccessibility problem or a related one.  I don't use the program and I don't know enough about it to say which.  Whatever the case, it appears that an older version needs to be used.
 
Gene

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Subject: [nvda] NVDA and CCleaner (free, anyway)

Hello All,

I was just trying out NVDA with the latest version of CCleaner free and seem to have encountered an accessibility issue that may be the result of operator error.

The "large buttons" that control which major function you're under can be reached by tabbing or up/down arrowing, and if you hit spacebar on any one of them its control buttons come up.  What is odd is that you still end up either tabbing or arrowing past the other major control buttons before you hit the "function control buttons" for the major function you've activated.

I do have problems reaching the individual checkboxes under the Options (major), Monitoring (minor) function.  It's odd because when I activate the Monitoring button, and if I have the NVDA Focus Highlight add-on running, there is clearly a quick scan down the list of controls, which are mostly checkboxes, but you cannot seem to come to rest on any of them to access them.

Is there a way to get oneself over into the "checkbox area" (for lack of a better term) of this function in order to be able to deal with the checkboxes.  Since mouse tracking is on by default I know that these exist as far as NVDA is concerned as when I hover over them I get appropriate feedback, I just can't seem to reach them via the keyboard, which would be essential.

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     After all, a democracy based solely on the values of the majority, with no overriding ethical principles and processes, is nothing more than clubhouse democracy, great for those on the inside and a tyranny for those who fail to see eye to eye with the majority.

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