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Re: Finicky Form Fields
On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 02:57 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Those that don't give that information [what a field/control is when you gain focus on it] aren't coded correctly, either out of ignorance or simply laziness.- Amen to that!! And I'd attribute it to ignorance rather than malice of any kind, particularly if a website happens to be a personal website or belongs to a very small business. These are often put together by folks who are doing their best just to come up with something and have zero experience with web design. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit "Be Yourself" is the worst advice you can give to some people. ~ Tom Masson |
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Re: Finicky Form Fields
Gene
I don't know if what you were taught referred in any way to the internet. You can't assume what is true of one interface is true in general. For example, you can't assume that what you learn about moving through a dialog applies to a web page.
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As far as why, I believe that accessibility standards say that tabbing should read the descriptive information in the field such as e-mail address and then the kind of field it is, as in e-mail address, edit. but that isn't always the way the fields are set up. And even with that standard, there are forms that have information between fields that is actual text to be read giving information about what is expected to be entered in the form. That text isn't part of a field. It is text in the form to be read as though you were reading a document. Gene On 12/1/2022 1:52 PM, David Russell wrote:
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Re: Releasing version 22.12 of Joseph Lee's add-ons
#addonrelease
Gene
As far as I know, all add-ons you install are on by default. If you
want to check, follow the procedure I gave and see if the button
says enable or disable. If it says disable, it is enabled. If it
says enable, it is disabled. I have never installed an add-on that
is disabled by default.
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Gene On 12/1/2022 12:57 PM, David Ingram
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Hi, how are you? I should have asked about the add-on updater for nvda and whether it is on by default? That was the question that i should have asked. Thank you for your response. |
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Re: Finicky Form Fields
Bob Cavanaugh
If a page is coded right, tabbing through should give enough
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information so that a screen reader user knows what to input into a form. Those that don't give that information aren't coded correctly, either out of ignorance or simply laziness. On 12/1/22, David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...> wrote:
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Finicky Form Fields
David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...>
Hello NVDA,
Voila, this is a lucky afternoon to see this topic here, thanks! This morning, I filled out a registration form where I had to read the information in each of the fields by arrowing down through the form itself. It took a bit longer but at least a trick worked! Is there a reason that fields are not announced by a screen reader if one uses the forward tab, but only 'edit' is heard with each field? Prior to Gene's post, I did not know down arrow provides more info, than tabbing through form fields. In defense of tabbing, this was taught to a group of us on how to use Windows Seven with a platform called DocuScribe when working for a transcription company in the early 2000s. Again, thanks! -- David C. Russell, Author david.sonofhashem@... Forgiveness is the final form of love. Reinhold Niebuhr |
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Re: Releasing version 22.12 of Joseph Lee's add-ons
#addonrelease
Once you install it, it is on, now all you need to is go to tools, and check for add on updates, don’t quote me on the last step as I hardly do it, I instead wait for nvda to notify me.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2022 10:58 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Releasing version 22.12 of Joseph Lee's add-ons #addonrelease
Hi, how are you? I should have asked about the add-on updater for nvda and whether it is on by default? That was the question that i should have asked. Thank you for your response.
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Re: Releasing version 22.12 of Joseph Lee's add-ons
#addonrelease
David Ingram
Hi, how are you? I should have asked about the add-on updater for nvda and whether it is on by default? That was the question that i should have asked. Thank you for your response.
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Re: Finicky Form Fields
Gene
In an edit field, it certainly may, if you are already in forms
mode. It is routine to conduct searches by typing text and pressing
enter without moving to the submit button. If you aren't in focus
mode but in browse mode, that's an entirely different matter.
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Gene On 12/1/2022 10:54 AM, Brian Vogel
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On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 11:38 AM, Steve Nutt wrote: |
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Re: Finicky Form Fields
Gene
To clarify, I should have addressed the above message to David and all
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Gene On 12/1/2022 10:38 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Exactly. Enter may activate the submit button on many forms, so it's not a reliable work around. |
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Re: Finicky Form Fields
Gene
When you say you don't know what a field is asking for and not wanting to use enter, if you are in browse mode when working with an unfamiliar form and you down arrow through it, you are more likely to know what a field is asking for. There are times when just tabbing through a form doesn't cause the descriptive text to be read. You may just hear edit.
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I strongly recommend that when people are working with an unfamiliar form, unless it is very simple and it is likely that you won't miss information, such as a search form consisting of an edit field and a search button, that people down arrow through the form. If you tab, as far too many people do, you don't know what information you may be missing. You may be missing explanatory text, descriptive text for what a control such as a radio button does or a field like an edit field is asking for and you may miss examples of how the site wants something submitted. For example, when a site asks for a date, if you don't see the example that is often given, you won't know the format the site wants. I don't know where you get good instructional material about navigating web pages, including forms effectively, others may have suggestions. But from things you ask and say, it sounds as though you would significantly benefit from such material, if it is good quality. I hope you don't mind me discussing this frankly, but I'm not helping you properly if I don't and if you haven't learned web page navigation well. Gene On 12/1/2022 10:38 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Exactly. Enter may activate the submit button on many forms, so it's not a reliable work around. |
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Re: Finicky Form Fields
On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 11:38 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Enter may activate the submit button on many forms,- Only if those buttons have focus. If you are in a dropdown box, edit box, sitting on a link, etc., I have never, ever seen Enter activate a submit button. If you happen to be in a single edit box, like a search edit box, it will often kick off the search. You've always got to be ready to try everything in "the bag of tricks" when what should work isn't. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit "Be Yourself" is the worst advice you can give to some people. ~ Tom Masson |
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Re: Finicky Form Fields
I've been shot in the foot re the enter key. Let's just say I want to curse when that happens. Not fun. Which is why I don't hit enter now out of habit.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2022 8:39 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Finicky Form Fields Exactly. Enter may activate the submit button on many forms, so it's not a reliable work around. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Russell Sent: 10 November 2022 21:16 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] RE Finicky Form Fields Hi NVDA, I too have experienced this issue and am reluctant to try enter as suggested without knowing what the field is asking. Recent case in point, membership subscription to www.thewriter.com This is an online website dealing with fiction and nonfiction writing. I did send a notice to the Customer Service but have yet to see an answer two months hence. I too use NVDA to perform functions on the computer. -- David C. Russell, Author david.sonofhashem@... |
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Re: Finicky Form Fields
Steve Nutt
Exactly. Enter may activate the submit button on many forms, so it's not a reliable work around.
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All the best Steve -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Russell Sent: 10 November 2022 21:16 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] RE Finicky Form Fields Hi NVDA, I too have experienced this issue and am reluctant to try enter as suggested without knowing what the field is asking. Recent case in point, membership subscription to www.thewriter.com This is an online website dealing with fiction and nonfiction writing. I did send a notice to the Customer Service but have yet to see an answer two months hence. I too use NVDA to perform functions on the computer. -- David C. Russell, Author david.sonofhashem@... |
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Re: bug: when unchecking the keys not to use as modifiers, they become rechecked upon restarting nvda.
Yeah, I keep forgetting I not only have a brain disorder, but I forget to write things down per advice of my doctors and friends and mentors. So, it’s a double strike against me in that case, I guess. Lol! I won’t say lesson learned as I’ll probably forget this in a matter of minutes.
Happy Thursday and thanks to all.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2022 8:17 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] bug: when unchecking the keys not to use as modifiers, they become rechecked upon restarting nvda.
Another occasion where emphasizing that keeping a record, in a plain text file or similar, or the settings tweaks you make (and/or unmake) over time is a godsend when you have to do something like this. Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit "Be Yourself" is the worst advice you can give to some people. ~ Tom Masson |
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Re: bug: when unchecking the keys not to use as modifiers, they become rechecked upon restarting nvda.
Another occasion where emphasizing that keeping a record, in a plain text file or similar, or the settings tweaks you make (and/or unmake) over time is a godsend when you have to do something like this.
I'm not great about following my own advice in this regard as assiduously as I should, but the more complex the software, and the more infrequent the tweaking, the more important a record this is to have. I couldn't possibly remember all of the tweaks I've made over the years to certain programs, and I've been in the same unfortunate situation you are now due to sporadic or absent record keeping. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit "Be Yourself" is the worst advice you can give to some people. ~ Tom Masson |
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Re: prevent eloquence from spelling punctuation
You must check the spelling check box under speech, I totally forgot about that until someone on telegram pointed that out.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kefas
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2022 1:26 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent eloquence from spelling punctuation
Hello Sarah, If I get you correctly, then NVDA + P should fix one of your problems.
Which is the punctuation reading settings. But I don’t use eloquence, and I don’t know of another settings.
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From: Sarah k Alawami
I thought I fixed this in nvda, guess not. I nuked my settings and now cannot remember what I did to cause eloquence from code factory to not spell “space” and all forms of punctuation. If someone can tell me how to prevent this, again, that would be nice. I checked the trust bot that says, “Trust voice's language when processing characters and symbols check box checked” and I checked the process box in code factories’ add on, however I cannot fix this anymore. Can someone give me a hint as to what needs to be done as I remember I had to do this, except it is not working now.
Windows 11 22H2 (x64) build 22621.819
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Re: bug: when unchecking the keys not to use as modifiers, they become rechecked upon restarting nvda.
I nuked my settings, and all is well now. I still have my add ons enabled, so this was a settings issue. I’m not happy about resetting, at least I believe my custom gestures were saved. This has probably been going on for a while.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cyrille via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2022 12:14 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] bug: when unchecking the keys not to use as modifiers, they become rechecked upon restarting nvda.
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Re: Releasing version 22.12 of Joseph Lee's add-ons
#addonrelease
Gene
Assuming you did this in the usual way, Open the NVDA menu.
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Down arrow to tools and press enter. Down arrow to manage add-ons and press enter. You are in a list of add-ons. Find the add-on you want to work with and start tabbing. You will find an enable add-on button. Press the space bar. You will be asked if you want to restart NVDA. You need to do that to finish enabling the add-on. Answer yes. Gene On 12/1/2022 4:39 AM, David Ingram
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Hi, how do you enable the add-on updater? I do remember having to disable the add-on updater. I’d like to know how do i reenable the add-on updater for nvda? Thank you for any information that you might have concerning this question. do remember having to disable the app updater |
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Re: Releasing version 22.12 of Joseph Lee's add-ons
#addonrelease
David Ingram
Hi, how do you enable the add-on updater? I do remember having to disable the add-on updater. I’d like to know how do i reenable the add-on updater for nvda? Thank you for any information that you might have concerning this question. do remember having to disable the app updater
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Re: prevent eloquence from spelling punctuation
Hello Sarah, If I get you correctly, then NVDA + P should fix one of your problems.
Which is the punctuation reading settings. But I don’t use eloquence, and I don’t know of another settings.
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From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 11:28 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] prevent eloquence from spelling punctuation
I thought I fixed this in nvda, guess not. I nuked my settings and now cannot remember what I did to cause eloquence from code factory to not spell “space” and all forms of punctuation. If someone can tell me how to prevent this, again, that would be nice. I checked the trust bot that says, “Trust voice's language when processing characters and symbols check box checked” and I checked the process box in code factories’ add on, however I cannot fix this anymore. Can someone give me a hint as to what needs to be done as I remember I had to do this, except it is not working now.
Windows 11 22H2 (x64) build 22621.819
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Sarah Alawami: owner of flying blind. Read my story at http://flyingblind.us.
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