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How to add user name in desktop

Holger Fiallo <hfiallo@...>
 

Hi, all
Do not know how this happen but my folder with my user name, Holger Fiallo is no longer in desktop. How can add it on the desktop?  Using W10 and NVDA and jaws 2018 which ever will help adding my name in the desktop.


Holger Fiallo


Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,


Tjanks for the suggestion. I didn't think about looking in the message body. I'll have a look at it right now.


Rosemarie




On 10/26/2017 4:46 PM, Gene wrote:
If some are being filtered, then before either doing something else or quitting, stop and look for an answer to this question if you don't already know it. 
 
Message rules allow you to look in the message body for something to use.  Most lists have a footer that has the same information in every message.  Does this list have a footer and if so, is there something in the footer that is the same in every message?  for example if you see something that says to unsubscribe from this list, send a message to and then an address, use the message body option to look for the item given for unsubscribing, for example,
unsubscribe dash audio hyphen googlegroups.com 
I wrote the punctuation so you would hear it no matter how you have your screen-reader set.  I don't know the syntax google groups uses so that's an example, not a proper representation.
Don't write it out.
Copy it to the clipboard from the message and paste it into the place where you tell the message rule to look for something.  That will eliminate any possibility of typing errors.  And have the message rule look in the message body.  If every message has that bit of text, all messages will be filtered properly.  
 
Gene google groups
----- original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Some messages from the music list are being filtered and some are not. I don't know what else I can say. I've done everything I can think of but I will try one more thing before quitting.




On 10/26/2017 4:31 PM, Gene wrote:
I saw, in your last message, that you are using the to line.  So that isn't the problem.  But we still don't have a clear answer to this question:
For the audio list, are some messages going into the correct folder and some not or are no audio messages going int the correct place?  Your last answer wasn't clear.  I couldn't tell if you were referring to more than one list.  So please answer in reference to only this one list. 
 
If some messages are going into the correct folder and some not, then some people are using either the cc or bcc field to send mail to multiple lists.  the list address isn't appearing in the to line.  but in order to get a better idea if that might be the problem, we need a very clear answer about this one list.
 
If that is the problem, there may or may not be a solution to the problem.  it would require further discussion.  We would have to see if there is something reliable appearing in every message from the list that the rule can be told to look for.  Many people don't use the to line in message rules unless there is no alternative because of the cc and bcc problem.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I understand your point but at times, if something doesn't work and you go through what seems to be the likely and logical causes, you then start trying things that may not seem to be relevant but which may be.  perhaps there is something about the NVDA list that causes the rule to work when the from field is used even though it would not seem that there should be.  But at some point, you have to start trying things that seem illogical as long as they are not dangerous or destructive..
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Surely this would be the same for the address which IS working, though:
nvda@nvda.groups.io

I'm assuming (happy to be corrected if I'm wrong...) that Rosemarie has
created the same type of rule for both lists, matching on the same field.


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 23:09:47, Gene wrote:

> I just checked and one of the available fields when making a message rule
> is to.  Put the address of the list in the to field.  I don't recall ever
> seeing a list place its address in the from field.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Gene
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 4:00 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>
>
> I don't think that will help.  Assuming the correct address is being used,
> then the problem may be something like using the from line instead of the
> to line in the message rule.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Rosemarie Chavarria
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:45 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>
>
> I'm not sure but I'll ask the owner.
>
> On 10/26/2017 1:43 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> > Does that Google group have a publicly-available message archive
> > somewhere, so we could see the emails on it without having to subscribe?
> >
> > If so, can you tell us:
> >
> > a) where the archive can be found
> >
> > b) the sender, date, time and timezone of two messages:
> >   - one which got filtered by your rule
> >  
> >   - one which did not get filtered by your rule
> >
> > Then we might be able to look at the emessages for ourselves and see if
> > we can spot a difference, and why your rule might sometimes not be
> > working.
> >
> >
> > Antony.
> >
> > On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:34:29, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >> Messages not being filtered: audioourplace@...
> >>
> >>
> >> Messages being filtered: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> >>
> >>
> >> Hope this helps somewhat.
> >>
> >> On 10/26/2017 1:29 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> >>> The same way you found them when you worked out what to look for in the
> >>> filter rules?
> >>>
> >>> If you don't know how to find the headers, how did you create the
> >>> filter rule?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Antony.
> >>>
> >>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:27:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>> How do I find the headers?
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/26/2017 1:24 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> >>>>> I can only repeat my request:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
> >>>>> which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
> >>>>> which does not get filtered?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Antony.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:21:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>>>> I have no problem so-far with the messages from the NVDA list but
> >>>>>> some of the messages form the audioourplace aren't being filtered.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 10/26/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> >>>>>>> So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match
> >>>>>>> some header which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which
> >>>>>>> you expect to have that header are being filtered, and other emails
> >>>>>>> which you expect to have that header are not being filtered.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the
> >>>>>>> emails which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of
> >>>>>>> the emails which does not get filtered?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Antony.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hi, Anthony,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how
> >>>>>>>> they're supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I
> >>>>>>>> can be. The header isaudioourplace.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Can you give us an example of an email which did not get
> >>>>>>>>> filtered, along with the rule which you expected to filter it?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see
> >>>>>>>>> whichever part the filter was supposed to act on.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't -
> >>>>>>>>> such as the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at
> >>>>>>>>> the end don't, etc?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are
> >>>>>>>>> never filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do
> >>>>>>>>> nothing, or are you saying that some emails get filtered by the
> >>>>>>>>> rule they're supposd to match and other emails do not get
> >>>>>>>>> filtered by the same rule?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Antony.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria
wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Only some of them got filtered.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some
> >>>>>>>>>>> of them? Again, if some messages are filtered and some are
> >>>>>>>>>>> not, I'd check the headers of a filtered message and an
> >>>>>>>>>>> unfiltered one to see if there are any differences. I see you
> >>>>>>>>>>> use the to: field. If somebody replies to a person and has the
> >>>>>>>>>>> list address in the cc: field, then obviously it won't get
> >>>>>>>>>>> filtered. These are the kinds of things to start checking for.
> >>>>>>>>>>> If you have a case like that, you might need to set up two or
> >>>>>>>>>>> three rules for the list to make sure every message gets
> >>>>>>>>>>> filtered and moved to its folder.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Gene,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> music list I'm on as an example.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That's the music list I'm on.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new
> >>>>>>>>>>>> messages" or something like that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> following" and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to"
> >>>>>>>>>>>> field.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an
> >>>>>>>>>>>> edit box and typed audioourplace@...
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:audioourplace@...>.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder
> >>>>>>>>>>>> for the music list and hit enter on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> new rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages
> >>>>>>>>>>>> from that list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem
> >>>>>>>>>>>> could be.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rosemarie
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Gene
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>> work? Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to look for where you tell it to look?  Are you sure the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> spelling is exactly correct for every item you are using?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what else might account for some of the rules
> >>>>>>>>>>>> not working.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that
> >>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't work, that someone will be able to find the error.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That is tedious but it may work.  It might be much faster and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> more likely to find the error to work with someone.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Gene
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          What do you mean some other messages from other
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          lists. If your rule only applies to messages with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          one list name, then no other messages will be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          affected.  You need to make a separate rule for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          every list.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          Gene
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          *From:*Rosemarie Chavarria
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          *Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          Hi, Robert,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          I already did all that. Some other messages from the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          other lists are still going into the inbox. I don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          know what else to do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          Rosemarie
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              subject line is intended to change to avoid
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              confusion of the thread. About your concern for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              filtering particular message into your inbox in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              focus is located to the message that is not open
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              yet, then tab several times till the focus is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              directed in the recipient column. Right click
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              then select Create Filter From. The rest of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              filters process is the same as mentioned below
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              by manually so that it will run automatically
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              into your corresponding filtered of your choice.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              Robert Mendoza
> >>>>>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  Hi, John,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  Let's say you want to run a filter on a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  message that comes into the inbox. I've
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  pretty muchcreated the filters but there are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  messages till coming into the inbox from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  other lists. How do you run a filter on a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  message?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  Thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  Rosemarie
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      1. Go to the tools menu, pick message
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      filters.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      2. Tab to the new button.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      from in the combo box, tell it to match
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      nvda.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      4. For the next two combo boxes, it will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      and expand them. Just pick whatever you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      like, I move mine to a folder called nvda
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      that I made.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      5. To make a folder, just pick folder
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      from the new menu in the file menu, do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      that before you do a filter if you want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      to move stuff, because the folder has to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      exist for you to pick it. If you want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      the folder in the main account, i.e.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      another folder like inbox, before you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      make the folder, highlight your account
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      name with the arrows. If you want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      everything under your inbox, so you have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      to hit right arrow to expand folders,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      highlight your inbox. The difference is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      that if you highlight the account, you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      can down arrow, so you'll get inbox,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      your folder, sent, trash, whatever. If
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      usually starts collapsed and you have to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      hit right arrow to expand it, then you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      hit down arrow to get to those folders,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      you'll go through whatever you made,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      then you'll get back to sent, trash,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      whatever.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      If that's confusing somehow, feel free to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      ask questions.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria
> >
> > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          Hi, John,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          How do you create filters in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          thunderbird or do you just delete
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          them after reading or replying to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          clunky.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          Rosemarie
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige
wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              Microsoft's various mail programs
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              have always been weird though. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              used to use Outlook, the one that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              came in Office. Then I had to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              upgrade or migrate machines or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              whatever. So I exported mail and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              everything just like you're
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              supposed to. Got everything
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              installed, imported into the new
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              Outlook. Suddenly none of my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              filtering rules to send messages
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              to specific folders would work.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              So I literally deleted them all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              and recreated them from scratch,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              and they still wouldn't work.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              That's when I switched to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              Thunderbird and I've been using
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              it ever since.





Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Gene
 

You might be able to use multiple settings but don't do that now.  Use something that is in all messages from the list unless there isn't something.  Most lists generally have something.  See my previous message.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Hi, Gene,


I think people don't use multiple settings when creating message rules. Just now I tried the to or cc field and that didn'teven work.


Rosemarie



On 10/26/2017 3:20 AM, Gene wrote:
I should make a possible correction.  I said you need a different rule for every list.  I don't know if that is true.  I don't know if you can put multiple things for a rule to look for such as the names of more than one list.  I believe I've only heard of people using one rule for one list and another rule for another list.  If there is a setting that will allow you to put multiple items in one rule, such as I gave an example of before, you may not be doing it correctly or you may be using the wrong setting.  Others may be able to explain how to do this, or you may just want to create one rule for each list.  It might be more work but since you have written a rule that works on some messages, you know that the rule is working to an extent.  So you may be able to use that suggestion to make a rule, one for each list, that works. 
 
I said before that working with someone in real time would be a good idea.  You say you go through all the steps.  That doesn't mean you do or do correctly.  It means you think you go through all the steps.  No one can be sure what to tell you without every step being listed in a message, every field you fill out or check and uncheck, every combo box you work with, how and what you set it to, etc.  That is why I say you should work with someone in real time.  So you can make a rule and they can hear every step you do.  Either that or record yourself making a rule and sending the recording to the list.  But without those trying to help knowing every step, no one can know or make a properly informed guess about what you are doing incorrectly.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Hi, Ron,


I did all those steps and I still can't get messages moved to their proper folders. I've hit enter on all the folders but I'm still having some messages from other lists go to my inbox instead of their proper folders. Why isn't this working for me? In outlook, you just hit the context key and arrow down to "always move messages from" and then the name of the messages.


Rosemarie




On 10/25/2017 7:49 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,


Assuming that you have attempted to create the filters by clicking tools/filters/new, be advised that the select a folder aspect is a bit kinky with screen readers.  You must treat that list box like a combo box using alt + down arrow to open the folder list and once selecting the right folder to filter messages into, press either enter or alt + up arrow to close the box and select the folder.


Everyone who is new to Thunderbird (including me) seems to run across this and it is temporarily confusing until you figure out what is going on.



On 10/25/2017 7:25 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I tried but it didn't work. I selected the rule and tabbed to the run now button and hit enter but it didn't work. This isn't working out.




On 10/25/2017 4:20 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Thanks.


I'll give it another shot.




On 10/25/2017 4:17 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

HI, Rosemary

Under the Tool in the main menu select Message Filters. Then, you will prompted of the list of filtered folders you've created. You need to double check and uncheck the Manual Run.

Robert Mendoza
On 10/26/2017 7:09 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Robert,


I already did all that. Some other messages from the other lists are still going into the inbox. I don't know what else to do.


Rosemarie




On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion of the thread. About your concern for filtering particular message into your inbox in Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your focus is located to the message that is not open yet, then tab several times till the focus is directed in the recipient column. Right click then select Create Filter From. The rest of the filters process is the same as mentioned below by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter by manually so that it will run automatically into your corresponding filtered of your choice.

Robert Mendoza
On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


Let's say you want to run a filter on a message that comes into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated the filters but there are messages till coming into the inbox from other lists. How do you run a filter on a message?


Thanks.


Rosemarie



On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.


2. Tab to the new button.


3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from in the combo box, tell it to match nvda.


4. For the next two combo boxes, it will probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow and expand them. Just pick whatever you like, I move mine to a folder called nvda that I made.


5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the new menu in the file menu, do that before you do a filter if you want to move stuff, because the folder has to exist for you to pick it. If you want the folder in the main account, i.e. another folder like inbox, before you make the folder, highlight your account name with the arrows. If you want everything under your inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to expand folders, highlight your inbox. The difference is that if you highlight the account, you can down arrow, so you'll get inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever. If you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox usually starts collapsed and you have to hit right arrow to expand it, then you hit down arrow to get to those folders, you'll go through whatever you made, then you'll get back to sent, trash, whatever.


If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask questions.


On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


How do you create filters in thunderbird or do you just delete them after reading or replying to them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit clunky.


Rosemarie




On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
Microsoft's various mail programs have always been weird though. I used to use Outlook, the one that came in Office. Then I had to upgrade or migrate machines or whatever. So I exported mail and everything just like you're supposed to. Got everything installed, imported into the new Outlook. Suddenly none of my filtering rules to send messages to specific folders would work. So I literally deleted them all and recreated them from scratch, and they still wouldn't work. That's when I switched to Thunderbird and I've been using it ever since.





















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Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Antony Stone
 

Please could you explain, in clear detailed steps, exactly how your filtering
rule for the problematic list is created, with sufficient information that we
could recreate it in exactly the same form on our own machines?

I think both Gene and I are still unclear about:

1. exactly what your filtering rule looks like

2. why you believe this rule should match the emails from that list

3. why it is not matching some emails from that list

I can only say that without an example of an email which matches and an exampe
of email which doesn't, we don't really have much information to go on to help
you solve this problem.

Regards,


Antony.

On Friday 27 October 2017 at 01:41:55, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Gene,


I think people don't use multiple settings when creating message rules.
Just now I tried the to or cc field and that didn'teven work.


Rosemarie

On 10/26/2017 3:20 AM, Gene wrote:
I should make a possible correction. I said you need a different rule
for every list. I don't know if that is true. I don't know if you can
put multiple things for a rule to look for such as the names of more
than one list. I believe I've only heard of people using one rule for
one list and another rule for another list. If there is a setting
that will allow you to put multiple items in one rule, such as I gave
an example of before, you may not be doing it correctly or you may be
using the wrong setting. Others may be able to explain how to do this,
or you may just want to create one rule for each list. It might be
more work but since you have written a rule that works on some
messages, you know that the rule is working to an extent. So you may
be able to use that suggestion to make a rule, one for each list, that
works.
I said before that working with someone in real time would be a good
idea. You say you go through all the steps. That doesn't mean you do
or do correctly. It means you think you go through all the steps. No
one can be sure what to tell you without every step being listed in a
message, every field you fill out or check and uncheck, every combo
box you work with, how and what you set it to, etc. That is why I say
you should work with someone in real time. So you can make a rule and
they can hear every step you do. Either that or record yourself
making a rule and sending the recording to the list. But without
those trying to help knowing every step, no one can know or make a
properly informed guess about what you are doing incorrectly.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:17 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Hi, Ron,


I did all those steps and I still can't get messages moved to their
proper folders. I've hit enter on all the folders but I'm still having
some messages from other lists go to my inbox instead of their proper
folders. Why isn't this working for me? In outlook, you just hit the
context key and arrow down to "always move messages from" and then the
name of the messages.


Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 7:49 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,


Assuming that you have attempted to create the filters by clicking
tools/filters/new, be advised that the select a folder aspect is a
bit kinky with screen readers. You must treat that list box like a
combo box using alt + down arrow to open the folder list and once
selecting the right folder to filter messages into, press either
enter or alt + up arrow to close the box and select the folder.


Everyone who is new to Thunderbird (including me) seems to run across
this and it is temporarily confusing until you figure out what is
going on.

On 10/25/2017 7:25 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I tried but it didn't work. I selected the rule and tabbed to the
run now button and hit enter but it didn't work. This isn't working
out.

On 10/25/2017 4:20 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Thanks.


I'll give it another shot.

On 10/25/2017 4:17 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
HI, Rosemary

Under the Tool in the main menu select Message Filters. Then, you
will prompted of the list of filtered folders you've created. You
need to double check and uncheck the Manual Run.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/26/2017 7:09 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Robert,


I already did all that. Some other messages from the other lists
are still going into the inbox. I don't know what else to do.


Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion of the
thread. About your concern for filtering particular message into
your inbox in Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your focus
is located to the message that is not open yet, then tab several
times till the focus is directed in the recipient column. Right
click then select Create Filter From. The rest of the filters
process is the same as mentioned below by John. Also, make sure
you uncheck the filter by manually so that it will run
automatically into your corresponding filtered of your choice.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


Let's say you want to run a filter on a message that comes into
the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated the filters but there are
messages till coming into the inbox from other lists. How do
you run a filter on a message?


Thanks.


Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.


2. Tab to the new button.


3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from in the combo
box, tell it to match nvda.


4. For the next two combo boxes, it will probably be easiest
to hit alt-down arrow and expand them. Just pick whatever you
like, I move mine to a folder called nvda that I made.


5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the new menu in the
file menu, do that before you do a filter if you want to move
stuff, because the folder has to exist for you to pick it. If
you want the folder in the main account, i.e. another folder
like inbox, before you make the folder, highlight your account
name with the arrows. If you want everything under your inbox,
so you have to hit right arrow to expand folders, highlight
your inbox. The difference is that if you highlight the
account, you can down arrow, so you'll get inbox, your folder,
sent, trash, whatever. If you do it highlighting the inbox,
inbox usually starts collapsed and you have to hit right arrow
to expand it, then you hit down arrow to get to those folders,
you'll go through whatever you made, then you'll get back to
sent, trash, whatever.


If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask questions.

On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


How do you create filters in thunderbird or do you just
delete them after reading or replying to them? Outlook is ok
but It's a bit clunky.


Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
Microsoft's various mail programs have always been weird
though. I used to use Outlook, the one that came in Office.
Then I had to upgrade or migrate machines or whatever. So I
exported mail and everything just like you're supposed to.
Got everything installed, imported into the new Outlook.
Suddenly none of my filtering rules to send messages to
specific folders would work. So I literally deleted them all
and recreated them from scratch, and they still wouldn't
work. That's when I switched to Thunderbird and I've been
using it ever since.
--
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Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Gene
 

If some are being filtered, then before either doing something else or quitting, stop and look for an answer to this question if you don't already know it. 
 
Message rules allow you to look in the message body for something to use.  Most lists have a footer that has the same information in every message.  Does this list have a footer and if so, is there something in the footer that is the same in every message?  for example if you see something that says to unsubscribe from this list, send a message to and then an address, use the message body option to look for the item given for unsubscribing, for example,
unsubscribe dash audio hyphen googlegroups.com 
I wrote the punctuation so you would hear it no matter how you have your screen-reader set.  I don't know the syntax google groups uses so that's an example, not a proper representation.
Don't write it out.
Copy it to the clipboard from the message and paste it into the place where you tell the message rule to look for something.  That will eliminate any possibility of typing errors.  And have the message rule look in the message body.  If every message has that bit of text, all messages will be filtered properly.  
 
Gene google groups
----- original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Some messages from the music list are being filtered and some are not. I don't know what else I can say. I've done everything I can think of but I will try one more thing before quitting.




On 10/26/2017 4:31 PM, Gene wrote:
I saw, in your last message, that you are using the to line.  So that isn't the problem.  But we still don't have a clear answer to this question:
For the audio list, are some messages going into the correct folder and some not or are no audio messages going int the correct place?  Your last answer wasn't clear.  I couldn't tell if you were referring to more than one list.  So please answer in reference to only this one list. 
 
If some messages are going into the correct folder and some not, then some people are using either the cc or bcc field to send mail to multiple lists.  the list address isn't appearing in the to line.  but in order to get a better idea if that might be the problem, we need a very clear answer about this one list.
 
If that is the problem, there may or may not be a solution to the problem.  it would require further discussion.  We would have to see if there is something reliable appearing in every message from the list that the rule can be told to look for.  Many people don't use the to line in message rules unless there is no alternative because of the cc and bcc problem.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I understand your point but at times, if something doesn't work and you go through what seems to be the likely and logical causes, you then start trying things that may not seem to be relevant but which may be.  perhaps there is something about the NVDA list that causes the rule to work when the from field is used even though it would not seem that there should be.  But at some point, you have to start trying things that seem illogical as long as they are not dangerous or destructive..
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Surely this would be the same for the address which IS working, though:
nvda@nvda.groups.io

I'm assuming (happy to be corrected if I'm wrong...) that Rosemarie has
created the same type of rule for both lists, matching on the same field.


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 23:09:47, Gene wrote:

> I just checked and one of the available fields when making a message rule
> is to.  Put the address of the list in the to field.  I don't recall ever
> seeing a list place its address in the from field.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Gene
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 4:00 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>
>
> I don't think that will help.  Assuming the correct address is being used,
> then the problem may be something like using the from line instead of the
> to line in the message rule.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Rosemarie Chavarria
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:45 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>
>
> I'm not sure but I'll ask the owner.
>
> On 10/26/2017 1:43 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> > Does that Google group have a publicly-available message archive
> > somewhere, so we could see the emails on it without having to subscribe?
> >
> > If so, can you tell us:
> >
> > a) where the archive can be found
> >
> > b) the sender, date, time and timezone of two messages:
> >   - one which got filtered by your rule
> >  
> >   - one which did not get filtered by your rule
> >
> > Then we might be able to look at the emessages for ourselves and see if
> > we can spot a difference, and why your rule might sometimes not be
> > working.
> >
> >
> > Antony.
> >
> > On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:34:29, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >> Messages not being filtered: audioourplace@...
> >>
> >>
> >> Messages being filtered: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> >>
> >>
> >> Hope this helps somewhat.
> >>
> >> On 10/26/2017 1:29 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> >>> The same way you found them when you worked out what to look for in the
> >>> filter rules?
> >>>
> >>> If you don't know how to find the headers, how did you create the
> >>> filter rule?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Antony.
> >>>
> >>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:27:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>> How do I find the headers?
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/26/2017 1:24 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> >>>>> I can only repeat my request:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
> >>>>> which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
> >>>>> which does not get filtered?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Antony.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:21:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>>>> I have no problem so-far with the messages from the NVDA list but
> >>>>>> some of the messages form the audioourplace aren't being filtered.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 10/26/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> >>>>>>> So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match
> >>>>>>> some header which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which
> >>>>>>> you expect to have that header are being filtered, and other emails
> >>>>>>> which you expect to have that header are not being filtered.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the
> >>>>>>> emails which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of
> >>>>>>> the emails which does not get filtered?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Antony.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hi, Anthony,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how
> >>>>>>>> they're supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I
> >>>>>>>> can be. The header isaudioourplace.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Can you give us an example of an email which did not get
> >>>>>>>>> filtered, along with the rule which you expected to filter it?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see
> >>>>>>>>> whichever part the filter was supposed to act on.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't -
> >>>>>>>>> such as the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at
> >>>>>>>>> the end don't, etc?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are
> >>>>>>>>> never filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do
> >>>>>>>>> nothing, or are you saying that some emails get filtered by the
> >>>>>>>>> rule they're supposd to match and other emails do not get
> >>>>>>>>> filtered by the same rule?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Antony.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria
wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Only some of them got filtered.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some
> >>>>>>>>>>> of them? Again, if some messages are filtered and some are
> >>>>>>>>>>> not, I'd check the headers of a filtered message and an
> >>>>>>>>>>> unfiltered one to see if there are any differences. I see you
> >>>>>>>>>>> use the to: field. If somebody replies to a person and has the
> >>>>>>>>>>> list address in the cc: field, then obviously it won't get
> >>>>>>>>>>> filtered. These are the kinds of things to start checking for.
> >>>>>>>>>>> If you have a case like that, you might need to set up two or
> >>>>>>>>>>> three rules for the list to make sure every message gets
> >>>>>>>>>>> filtered and moved to its folder.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Gene,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> music list I'm on as an example.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That's the music list I'm on.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new
> >>>>>>>>>>>> messages" or something like that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> following" and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to"
> >>>>>>>>>>>> field.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an
> >>>>>>>>>>>> edit box and typed audioourplace@...
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:audioourplace@...>.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder
> >>>>>>>>>>>> for the music list and hit enter on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> new rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages
> >>>>>>>>>>>> from that list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem
> >>>>>>>>>>>> could be.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rosemarie
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Gene
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>> work? Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to look for where you tell it to look?  Are you sure the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> spelling is exactly correct for every item you are using?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what else might account for some of the rules
> >>>>>>>>>>>> not working.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that
> >>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't work, that someone will be able to find the error.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That is tedious but it may work.  It might be much faster and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> more likely to find the error to work with someone.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Gene
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          What do you mean some other messages from other
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          lists. If your rule only applies to messages with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          one list name, then no other messages will be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          affected.  You need to make a separate rule for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          every list.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          Gene
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          *From:*Rosemarie Chavarria
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          *Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          Hi, Robert,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          I already did all that. Some other messages from the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          other lists are still going into the inbox. I don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          know what else to do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          Rosemarie
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              subject line is intended to change to avoid
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              confusion of the thread. About your concern for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              filtering particular message into your inbox in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              focus is located to the message that is not open
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              yet, then tab several times till the focus is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              directed in the recipient column. Right click
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              then select Create Filter From. The rest of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              filters process is the same as mentioned below
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              by manually so that it will run automatically
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              into your corresponding filtered of your choice.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              Robert Mendoza
> >>>>>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  Hi, John,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  Let's say you want to run a filter on a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  message that comes into the inbox. I've
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  pretty muchcreated the filters but there are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  messages till coming into the inbox from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  other lists. How do you run a filter on a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  message?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  Thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  Rosemarie
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      1. Go to the tools menu, pick message
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      filters.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      2. Tab to the new button.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      from in the combo box, tell it to match
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      nvda.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      4. For the next two combo boxes, it will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      and expand them. Just pick whatever you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      like, I move mine to a folder called nvda
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      that I made.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      5. To make a folder, just pick folder
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      from the new menu in the file menu, do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      that before you do a filter if you want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      to move stuff, because the folder has to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      exist for you to pick it. If you want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      the folder in the main account, i.e.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      another folder like inbox, before you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      make the folder, highlight your account
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      name with the arrows. If you want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      everything under your inbox, so you have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      to hit right arrow to expand folders,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      highlight your inbox. The difference is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      that if you highlight the account, you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      can down arrow, so you'll get inbox,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      your folder, sent, trash, whatever. If
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      usually starts collapsed and you have to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      hit right arrow to expand it, then you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      hit down arrow to get to those folders,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      you'll go through whatever you made,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      then you'll get back to sent, trash,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      whatever.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      If that's confusing somehow, feel free to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      ask questions.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria
> >
> > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          Hi, John,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          How do you create filters in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          thunderbird or do you just delete
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          them after reading or replying to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          clunky.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          Rosemarie
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige
wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              Microsoft's various mail programs
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              have always been weird though. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              used to use Outlook, the one that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              came in Office. Then I had to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              upgrade or migrate machines or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              whatever. So I exported mail and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              everything just like you're
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              supposed to. Got everything
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              installed, imported into the new
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              Outlook. Suddenly none of my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              filtering rules to send messages
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              to specific folders would work.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              So I literally deleted them all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              and recreated them from scratch,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              and they still wouldn't work.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              That's when I switched to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              Thunderbird and I've been using
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              it ever since.




Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,


I think people don't use multiple settings when creating message rules. Just now I tried the to or cc field and that didn'teven work.


Rosemarie



On 10/26/2017 3:20 AM, Gene wrote:
I should make a possible correction.  I said you need a different rule for every list.  I don't know if that is true.  I don't know if you can put multiple things for a rule to look for such as the names of more than one list.  I believe I've only heard of people using one rule for one list and another rule for another list.  If there is a setting that will allow you to put multiple items in one rule, such as I gave an example of before, you may not be doing it correctly or you may be using the wrong setting.  Others may be able to explain how to do this, or you may just want to create one rule for each list.  It might be more work but since you have written a rule that works on some messages, you know that the rule is working to an extent.  So you may be able to use that suggestion to make a rule, one for each list, that works. 
 
I said before that working with someone in real time would be a good idea.  You say you go through all the steps.  That doesn't mean you do or do correctly.  It means you think you go through all the steps.  No one can be sure what to tell you without every step being listed in a message, every field you fill out or check and uncheck, every combo box you work with, how and what you set it to, etc.  That is why I say you should work with someone in real time.  So you can make a rule and they can hear every step you do.  Either that or record yourself making a rule and sending the recording to the list.  But without those trying to help knowing every step, no one can know or make a properly informed guess about what you are doing incorrectly.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Hi, Ron,


I did all those steps and I still can't get messages moved to their proper folders. I've hit enter on all the folders but I'm still having some messages from other lists go to my inbox instead of their proper folders. Why isn't this working for me? In outlook, you just hit the context key and arrow down to "always move messages from" and then the name of the messages.


Rosemarie




On 10/25/2017 7:49 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,


Assuming that you have attempted to create the filters by clicking tools/filters/new, be advised that the select a folder aspect is a bit kinky with screen readers.  You must treat that list box like a combo box using alt + down arrow to open the folder list and once selecting the right folder to filter messages into, press either enter or alt + up arrow to close the box and select the folder.


Everyone who is new to Thunderbird (including me) seems to run across this and it is temporarily confusing until you figure out what is going on.



On 10/25/2017 7:25 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I tried but it didn't work. I selected the rule and tabbed to the run now button and hit enter but it didn't work. This isn't working out.




On 10/25/2017 4:20 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Thanks.


I'll give it another shot.




On 10/25/2017 4:17 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

HI, Rosemary

Under the Tool in the main menu select Message Filters. Then, you will prompted of the list of filtered folders you've created. You need to double check and uncheck the Manual Run.

Robert Mendoza
On 10/26/2017 7:09 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Robert,


I already did all that. Some other messages from the other lists are still going into the inbox. I don't know what else to do.


Rosemarie




On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion of the thread. About your concern for filtering particular message into your inbox in Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your focus is located to the message that is not open yet, then tab several times till the focus is directed in the recipient column. Right click then select Create Filter From. The rest of the filters process is the same as mentioned below by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter by manually so that it will run automatically into your corresponding filtered of your choice.

Robert Mendoza
On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


Let's say you want to run a filter on a message that comes into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated the filters but there are messages till coming into the inbox from other lists. How do you run a filter on a message?


Thanks.


Rosemarie



On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.


2. Tab to the new button.


3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from in the combo box, tell it to match nvda.


4. For the next two combo boxes, it will probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow and expand them. Just pick whatever you like, I move mine to a folder called nvda that I made.


5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the new menu in the file menu, do that before you do a filter if you want to move stuff, because the folder has to exist for you to pick it. If you want the folder in the main account, i.e. another folder like inbox, before you make the folder, highlight your account name with the arrows. If you want everything under your inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to expand folders, highlight your inbox. The difference is that if you highlight the account, you can down arrow, so you'll get inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever. If you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox usually starts collapsed and you have to hit right arrow to expand it, then you hit down arrow to get to those folders, you'll go through whatever you made, then you'll get back to sent, trash, whatever.


If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask questions.


On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,


How do you create filters in thunderbird or do you just delete them after reading or replying to them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit clunky.


Rosemarie




On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
Microsoft's various mail programs have always been weird though. I used to use Outlook, the one that came in Office. Then I had to upgrade or migrate machines or whatever. So I exported mail and everything just like you're supposed to. Got everything installed, imported into the new Outlook. Suddenly none of my filtering rules to send messages to specific folders would work. So I literally deleted them all and recreated them from scratch, and they still wouldn't work. That's when I switched to Thunderbird and I've been using it ever since.





















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Re: Excel Macro editing

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Quentin

Thanks for the tip re symbols, I’ll try that tomorrow.  The missing lines thing has been an issue for me for years, it’s so bad I have to copy the hole module into Notepad, write/edit code then copy it back into the VBA editor.

 

Cheers

Chris 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 26 October 2017 23:59
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Excel Macro editing

 

I must admit I don't do a lot of VBA / macro editing currently, but with missing characters, check your symbol level.  Many characters aren't read at lower symbol levels, which works great when reading web pages and e-mails, and not so great for code.  You may like to set symbol level to all for working in VB - either with a configuration profile, or with the NVDA+p keystroke.

 

I can't reproduce missing lines just at the moment (I appreciate you said randomly), so will have to keep looking for that.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 4:30 AM, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

Hi

Using W10 Home, NVDA 17.3 ms Excel 2007.

There have been long-standing issues where NVDA  does not work properly when editing macro VBA code and cell formulae in Excel 2007.  When navigating VBA code line by line with arrow keys, NVDA will randomly miss out speaking lines of code and when editing formulae, it will randomly miss out voicing some characters, occasionally saying space instead, when using the arrow keys to move character by character.  Has anyone had these issues and found any solutions, maybe in later Excel versions?   

 

Cheers

Chris



 

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Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Some messages from the music list are being filtered and some are not. I don't know what else I can say. I've done everything I can think of but I will try one more thing before quitting.




On 10/26/2017 4:31 PM, Gene wrote:
I saw, in your last message, that you are using the to line.  So that isn't the problem.  But we still don't have a clear answer to this question:
For the audio list, are some messages going into the correct folder and some not or are no audio messages going int the correct place?  Your last answer wasn't clear.  I couldn't tell if you were referring to more than one list.  So please answer in reference to only this one list. 
 
If some messages are going into the correct folder and some not, then some people are using either the cc or bcc field to send mail to multiple lists.  the list address isn't appearing in the to line.  but in order to get a better idea if that might be the problem, we need a very clear answer about this one list.
 
If that is the problem, there may or may not be a solution to the problem.  it would require further discussion.  We would have to see if there is something reliable appearing in every message from the list that the rule can be told to look for.  Many people don't use the to line in message rules unless there is no alternative because of the cc and bcc problem.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I understand your point but at times, if something doesn't work and you go through what seems to be the likely and logical causes, you then start trying things that may not seem to be relevant but which may be.  perhaps there is something about the NVDA list that causes the rule to work when the from field is used even though it would not seem that there should be.  But at some point, you have to start trying things that seem illogical as long as they are not dangerous or destructive..
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Surely this would be the same for the address which IS working, though:
nvda@nvda.groups.io

I'm assuming (happy to be corrected if I'm wrong...) that Rosemarie has
created the same type of rule for both lists, matching on the same field.


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 23:09:47, Gene wrote:

> I just checked and one of the available fields when making a message rule
> is to.  Put the address of the list in the to field.  I don't recall ever
> seeing a list place its address in the from field.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Gene
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 4:00 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>
>
> I don't think that will help.  Assuming the correct address is being used,
> then the problem may be something like using the from line instead of the
> to line in the message rule.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Rosemarie Chavarria
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:45 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>
>
> I'm not sure but I'll ask the owner.
>
> On 10/26/2017 1:43 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> > Does that Google group have a publicly-available message archive
> > somewhere, so we could see the emails on it without having to subscribe?
> >
> > If so, can you tell us:
> >
> > a) where the archive can be found
> >
> > b) the sender, date, time and timezone of two messages:
> >   - one which got filtered by your rule
> >  
> >   - one which did not get filtered by your rule
> >
> > Then we might be able to look at the emessages for ourselves and see if
> > we can spot a difference, and why your rule might sometimes not be
> > working.
> >
> >
> > Antony.
> >
> > On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:34:29, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >> Messages not being filtered: audioourplace@...
> >>
> >>
> >> Messages being filtered: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> >>
> >>
> >> Hope this helps somewhat.
> >>
> >> On 10/26/2017 1:29 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> >>> The same way you found them when you worked out what to look for in the
> >>> filter rules?
> >>>
> >>> If you don't know how to find the headers, how did you create the
> >>> filter rule?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Antony.
> >>>
> >>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:27:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>> How do I find the headers?
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/26/2017 1:24 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> >>>>> I can only repeat my request:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
> >>>>> which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
> >>>>> which does not get filtered?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Antony.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:21:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>>>> I have no problem so-far with the messages from the NVDA list but
> >>>>>> some of the messages form the audioourplace aren't being filtered.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 10/26/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> >>>>>>> So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match
> >>>>>>> some header which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which
> >>>>>>> you expect to have that header are being filtered, and other emails
> >>>>>>> which you expect to have that header are not being filtered.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the
> >>>>>>> emails which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of
> >>>>>>> the emails which does not get filtered?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Antony.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hi, Anthony,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how
> >>>>>>>> they're supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I
> >>>>>>>> can be. The header isaudioourplace.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Can you give us an example of an email which did not get
> >>>>>>>>> filtered, along with the rule which you expected to filter it?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see
> >>>>>>>>> whichever part the filter was supposed to act on.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't -
> >>>>>>>>> such as the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at
> >>>>>>>>> the end don't, etc?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are
> >>>>>>>>> never filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do
> >>>>>>>>> nothing, or are you saying that some emails get filtered by the
> >>>>>>>>> rule they're supposd to match and other emails do not get
> >>>>>>>>> filtered by the same rule?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Antony.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria
wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Only some of them got filtered.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some
> >>>>>>>>>>> of them? Again, if some messages are filtered and some are
> >>>>>>>>>>> not, I'd check the headers of a filtered message and an
> >>>>>>>>>>> unfiltered one to see if there are any differences. I see you
> >>>>>>>>>>> use the to: field. If somebody replies to a person and has the
> >>>>>>>>>>> list address in the cc: field, then obviously it won't get
> >>>>>>>>>>> filtered. These are the kinds of things to start checking for.
> >>>>>>>>>>> If you have a case like that, you might need to set up two or
> >>>>>>>>>>> three rules for the list to make sure every message gets
> >>>>>>>>>>> filtered and moved to its folder.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Gene,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> music list I'm on as an example.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That's the music list I'm on.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new
> >>>>>>>>>>>> messages" or something like that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> following" and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to"
> >>>>>>>>>>>> field.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an
> >>>>>>>>>>>> edit box and typed audioourplace@...
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:audioourplace@...>.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder
> >>>>>>>>>>>> for the music list and hit enter on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> new rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages
> >>>>>>>>>>>> from that list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem
> >>>>>>>>>>>> could be.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rosemarie
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Gene
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>> work? Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to look for where you tell it to look?  Are you sure the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> spelling is exactly correct for every item you are using?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what else might account for some of the rules
> >>>>>>>>>>>> not working.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that
> >>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't work, that someone will be able to find the error.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That is tedious but it may work.  It might be much faster and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> more likely to find the error to work with someone.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Gene
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          What do you mean some other messages from other
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          lists. If your rule only applies to messages with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          one list name, then no other messages will be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          affected.  You need to make a separate rule for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          every list.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          Gene
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          *From:*Rosemarie Chavarria
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          *Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          Hi, Robert,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          I already did all that. Some other messages from the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          other lists are still going into the inbox. I don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          know what else to do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          Rosemarie
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              subject line is intended to change to avoid
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              confusion of the thread. About your concern for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              filtering particular message into your inbox in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              focus is located to the message that is not open
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              yet, then tab several times till the focus is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              directed in the recipient column. Right click
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              then select Create Filter From. The rest of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              filters process is the same as mentioned below
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              by manually so that it will run automatically
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              into your corresponding filtered of your choice.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              Robert Mendoza
> >>>>>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  Hi, John,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  Let's say you want to run a filter on a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  message that comes into the inbox. I've
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  pretty muchcreated the filters but there are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  messages till coming into the inbox from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  other lists. How do you run a filter on a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  message?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  Thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  Rosemarie
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      1. Go to the tools menu, pick message
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      filters.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      2. Tab to the new button.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      from in the combo box, tell it to match
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      nvda.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      4. For the next two combo boxes, it will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      and expand them. Just pick whatever you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      like, I move mine to a folder called nvda
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      that I made.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      5. To make a folder, just pick folder
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      from the new menu in the file menu, do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      that before you do a filter if you want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      to move stuff, because the folder has to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      exist for you to pick it. If you want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      the folder in the main account, i.e.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      another folder like inbox, before you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      make the folder, highlight your account
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      name with the arrows. If you want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      everything under your inbox, so you have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      to hit right arrow to expand folders,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      highlight your inbox. The difference is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      that if you highlight the account, you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      can down arrow, so you'll get inbox,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      your folder, sent, trash, whatever. If
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      usually starts collapsed and you have to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      hit right arrow to expand it, then you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      hit down arrow to get to those folders,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      you'll go through whatever you made,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      then you'll get back to sent, trash,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      whatever.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      If that's confusing somehow, feel free to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      ask questions.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria
> >
> > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          Hi, John,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          How do you create filters in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          thunderbird or do you just delete
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          them after reading or replying to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          clunky.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          Rosemarie
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige
wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              Microsoft's various mail programs
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              have always been weird though. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              used to use Outlook, the one that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              came in Office. Then I had to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              upgrade or migrate machines or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              whatever. So I exported mail and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              everything just like you're
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              supposed to. Got everything
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              installed, imported into the new
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              Outlook. Suddenly none of my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              filtering rules to send messages
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              to specific folders would work.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              So I literally deleted them all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              and recreated them from scratch,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              and they still wouldn't work.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              That's when I switched to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              Thunderbird and I've been using
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              it ever since.




Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Gene
 

I saw, in your last message, that you are using the to line.  So that isn't the problem.  But we still don't have a clear answer to this question:
For the audio list, are some messages going into the correct folder and some not or are no audio messages going int the correct place?  Your last answer wasn't clear.  I couldn't tell if you were referring to more than one list.  So please answer in reference to only this one list. 
 
If some messages are going into the correct folder and some not, then some people are using either the cc or bcc field to send mail to multiple lists.  the list address isn't appearing in the to line.  but in order to get a better idea if that might be the problem, we need a very clear answer about this one list.
 
If that is the problem, there may or may not be a solution to the problem.  it would require further discussion.  We would have to see if there is something reliable appearing in every message from the list that the rule can be told to look for.  Many people don't use the to line in message rules unless there is no alternative because of the cc and bcc problem.
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I understand your point but at times, if something doesn't work and you go through what seems to be the likely and logical causes, you then start trying things that may not seem to be relevant but which may be.  perhaps there is something about the NVDA list that causes the rule to work when the from field is used even though it would not seem that there should be.  But at some point, you have to start trying things that seem illogical as long as they are not dangerous or destructive..
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Surely this would be the same for the address which IS working, though:
nvda@nvda.groups.io

I'm assuming (happy to be corrected if I'm wrong...) that Rosemarie has
created the same type of rule for both lists, matching on the same field.


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 23:09:47, Gene wrote:

> I just checked and one of the available fields when making a message rule
> is to.  Put the address of the list in the to field.  I don't recall ever
> seeing a list place its address in the from field.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Gene
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 4:00 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>
>
> I don't think that will help.  Assuming the correct address is being used,
> then the problem may be something like using the from line instead of the
> to line in the message rule.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Rosemarie Chavarria
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:45 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>
>
> I'm not sure but I'll ask the owner.
>
> On 10/26/2017 1:43 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> > Does that Google group have a publicly-available message archive
> > somewhere, so we could see the emails on it without having to subscribe?
> >
> > If so, can you tell us:
> >
> > a) where the archive can be found
> >
> > b) the sender, date, time and timezone of two messages:
> >   - one which got filtered by your rule
> >  
> >   - one which did not get filtered by your rule
> >
> > Then we might be able to look at the emessages for ourselves and see if
> > we can spot a difference, and why your rule might sometimes not be
> > working.
> >
> >
> > Antony.
> >
> > On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:34:29, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >> Messages not being filtered: audioourplace@...
> >>
> >>
> >> Messages being filtered: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> >>
> >>
> >> Hope this helps somewhat.
> >>
> >> On 10/26/2017 1:29 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> >>> The same way you found them when you worked out what to look for in the
> >>> filter rules?
> >>>
> >>> If you don't know how to find the headers, how did you create the
> >>> filter rule?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Antony.
> >>>
> >>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:27:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>> How do I find the headers?
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/26/2017 1:24 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> >>>>> I can only repeat my request:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
> >>>>> which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
> >>>>> which does not get filtered?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Antony.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:21:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>>>> I have no problem so-far with the messages from the NVDA list but
> >>>>>> some of the messages form the audioourplace aren't being filtered.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 10/26/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> >>>>>>> So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match
> >>>>>>> some header which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which
> >>>>>>> you expect to have that header are being filtered, and other emails
> >>>>>>> which you expect to have that header are not being filtered.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the
> >>>>>>> emails which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of
> >>>>>>> the emails which does not get filtered?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Antony.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hi, Anthony,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how
> >>>>>>>> they're supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I
> >>>>>>>> can be. The header isaudioourplace.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Can you give us an example of an email which did not get
> >>>>>>>>> filtered, along with the rule which you expected to filter it?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see
> >>>>>>>>> whichever part the filter was supposed to act on.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't -
> >>>>>>>>> such as the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at
> >>>>>>>>> the end don't, etc?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are
> >>>>>>>>> never filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do
> >>>>>>>>> nothing, or are you saying that some emails get filtered by the
> >>>>>>>>> rule they're supposd to match and other emails do not get
> >>>>>>>>> filtered by the same rule?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Antony.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria
wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Only some of them got filtered.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some
> >>>>>>>>>>> of them? Again, if some messages are filtered and some are
> >>>>>>>>>>> not, I'd check the headers of a filtered message and an
> >>>>>>>>>>> unfiltered one to see if there are any differences. I see you
> >>>>>>>>>>> use the to: field. If somebody replies to a person and has the
> >>>>>>>>>>> list address in the cc: field, then obviously it won't get
> >>>>>>>>>>> filtered. These are the kinds of things to start checking for.
> >>>>>>>>>>> If you have a case like that, you might need to set up two or
> >>>>>>>>>>> three rules for the list to make sure every message gets
> >>>>>>>>>>> filtered and moved to its folder.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Gene,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> music list I'm on as an example.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That's the music list I'm on.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new
> >>>>>>>>>>>> messages" or something like that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> following" and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to"
> >>>>>>>>>>>> field.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an
> >>>>>>>>>>>> edit box and typed audioourplace@...
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:audioourplace@...>.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder
> >>>>>>>>>>>> for the music list and hit enter on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> new rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages
> >>>>>>>>>>>> from that list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem
> >>>>>>>>>>>> could be.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rosemarie
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Gene
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>> work? Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to look for where you tell it to look?  Are you sure the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> spelling is exactly correct for every item you are using?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what else might account for some of the rules
> >>>>>>>>>>>> not working.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that
> >>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't work, that someone will be able to find the error.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That is tedious but it may work.  It might be much faster and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> more likely to find the error to work with someone.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Gene
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          What do you mean some other messages from other
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          lists. If your rule only applies to messages with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          one list name, then no other messages will be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          affected.  You need to make a separate rule for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          every list.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          Gene
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          *From:*Rosemarie Chavarria
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          *Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          Hi, Robert,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          I already did all that. Some other messages from the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          other lists are still going into the inbox. I don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          know what else to do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          Rosemarie
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              subject line is intended to change to avoid
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              confusion of the thread. About your concern for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              filtering particular message into your inbox in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              focus is located to the message that is not open
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              yet, then tab several times till the focus is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              directed in the recipient column. Right click
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              then select Create Filter From. The rest of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              filters process is the same as mentioned below
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              by manually so that it will run automatically
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              into your corresponding filtered of your choice.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              Robert Mendoza
> >>>>>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  Hi, John,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  Let's say you want to run a filter on a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  message that comes into the inbox. I've
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  pretty muchcreated the filters but there are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  messages till coming into the inbox from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  other lists. How do you run a filter on a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  message?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  Thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  Rosemarie
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      1. Go to the tools menu, pick message
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      filters.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      2. Tab to the new button.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      from in the combo box, tell it to match
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      nvda.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      4. For the next two combo boxes, it will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      and expand them. Just pick whatever you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      like, I move mine to a folder called nvda
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      that I made.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      5. To make a folder, just pick folder
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      from the new menu in the file menu, do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      that before you do a filter if you want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      to move stuff, because the folder has to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      exist for you to pick it. If you want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      the folder in the main account, i.e.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      another folder like inbox, before you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      make the folder, highlight your account
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      name with the arrows. If you want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      everything under your inbox, so you have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      to hit right arrow to expand folders,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      highlight your inbox. The difference is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      that if you highlight the account, you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      can down arrow, so you'll get inbox,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      your folder, sent, trash, whatever. If
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      usually starts collapsed and you have to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      hit right arrow to expand it, then you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      hit down arrow to get to those folders,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      you'll go through whatever you made,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      then you'll get back to sent, trash,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      whatever.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      If that's confusing somehow, feel free to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      ask questions.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria
> >
> > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          Hi, John,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          How do you create filters in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          thunderbird or do you just delete
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          them after reading or replying to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          clunky.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          Rosemarie
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige
wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              Microsoft's various mail programs
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              have always been weird though. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              used to use Outlook, the one that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              came in Office. Then I had to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              upgrade or migrate machines or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              whatever. So I exported mail and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              everything just like you're
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              supposed to. Got everything
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              installed, imported into the new
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              Outlook. Suddenly none of my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              filtering rules to send messages
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              to specific folders would work.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              So I literally deleted them all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              and recreated them from scratch,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              and they still wouldn't work.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              That's when I switched to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              Thunderbird and I've been using
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              it ever since.



Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I'm using the to line.




On 10/26/2017 1:59 PM, Gene wrote:
Are you using the from line or the to line to set up filters?  Most e-mail lists don't use the address in the from line.  the from line usually is the name and perhaps the address of the sender.  E-mail lists usually use the to line for their address.  Does the message rule dialog allow you to place an address in the to line? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Messages not being filtered: audioourplace@...


Messages being filtered: nvda@nvda.groups.io


Hope this helps somewhat.




On 10/26/2017 1:29 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> The same way you found them when you worked out what to look for in the filter
> rules?
>
> If you don't know how to find the headers, how did you create the filter rule?
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:27:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>
>> How do I find the headers?
>>
>> On 10/26/2017 1:24 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
>>> I can only repeat my request:
>>>
>>> Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
>>> which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
>>> which does not get filtered?
>>>
>>>
>>> Antony.
>>>
>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:21:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>> I have no problem so-far with the messages from the NVDA list but some
>>>> of the messages form the audioourplace aren't being filtered.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/26/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
>>>>> So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match
>>>>> some header which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which
>>>>> you expect to have that header are being filtered, and other emails
>>>>> which you expect to have that header are not being filtered.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
>>>>> which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
>>>>> which does not get filtered?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Antony.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>> Hi, Anthony,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how they're
>>>>>> supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I can be. The
>>>>>> header isaudioourplace.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
>>>>>>> Can you give us an example of an email which did not get filtered,
>>>>>>> along with the rule which you expected to filter it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see whichever
>>>>>>> part the filter was supposed to act on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't - such
>>>>>>> as the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at the end
>>>>>>> don't, etc?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are
>>>>>>> never filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do
>>>>>>> nothing, or are you saying that some emails get filtered by the rule
>>>>>>> they're supposd to match and other emails do not get filtered by the
>>>>>>> same rule?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Antony.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>>>> Only some of them got filtered.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some of
>>>>>>>>> them? Again, if some messages are filtered and some are not, I'd
>>>>>>>>> check the headers of a filtered message and an unfiltered one to
>>>>>>>>> see if there are any differences. I see you use the to: field. If
>>>>>>>>> somebody replies to a person and has the list address in the cc:
>>>>>>>>> field, then obviously it won't get filtered. These are the kinds
>>>>>>>>> of things to start checking for. If you have a case like that, you
>>>>>>>>> might need to set up two or three rules for the list to make sure
>>>>>>>>> every message gets filtered and moved to its folder.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Gene,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the music
>>>>>>>>>> list I'm on as an example.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace. That's
>>>>>>>>>> the music list I'm on.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new messages"
>>>>>>>>>> or something like that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the
>>>>>>>>>> following" and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to"
>>>>>>>>>> field.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an edit
>>>>>>>>>> box and typed audioourplace@...
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:audioourplace@...>.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder for
>>>>>>>>>> the music list and hit enter on it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a new
>>>>>>>>>> rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it. The
>>>>>>>>>> filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages from that
>>>>>>>>>> list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem could be.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rosemarie
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
>>>>>>>>>> Of *Gene
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
>>>>>>>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't
>>>>>>>>>> work? Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule to
>>>>>>>>>> look for where you tell it to look?  Are you sure the spelling is
>>>>>>>>>> exactly correct for every item you are using?  I'm not sure what
>>>>>>>>>> else might account for some of the rules not working.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't work, that someone will be able to find the error.  That
>>>>>>>>>> is tedious but it may work.  It might be much faster and more
>>>>>>>>>> likely to find the error to work with someone.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>         What do you mean some other messages from other lists.  If
>>>>>>>>>>         your rule only applies to messages with one list name, then
>>>>>>>>>>         no other messages will be affected.  You need to make a
>>>>>>>>>>         separate rule for every list.
>>>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>>>         Gene
>>>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>>>         ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>>>         *From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
>>>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>>>         *Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM
>>>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>>>         *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>>>         *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>>>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>>>         Hi, Robert,
>>>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>>>         I already did all that. Some other messages from the other
>>>>>>>>>>         lists are still going into the inbox. I don't know what
>>>>>>>>>>         else to do.
>>>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>>>         Rosemarie
>>>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>>>         On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>             subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion
>>>>>>>>>>             of the thread. About your concern for filtering
>>>>>>>>>>             particular message into your inbox in Thunderbird. you
>>>>>>>>>>             have to make sure that your focus is located to the
>>>>>>>>>>             message that is not open yet, then tab several times
>>>>>>>>>>             till the focus is directed in the recipient column.
>>>>>>>>>>             Right click then select Create Filter From. The rest
>>>>>>>>>>             of the filters process is the same as mentioned below
>>>>>>>>>>             by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter by
>>>>>>>>>>             manually so that it will run automatically into your
>>>>>>>>>>             corresponding filtered of your choice.
>>>>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>>>>             Robert Mendoza
>>>>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>>>>             On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>                 Hi, John,
>>>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>>>                 Let's say you want to run a filter on a message
>>>>>>>>>>                 that comes into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated
>>>>>>>>>>                 the filters but there are messages till coming
>>>>>>>>>>                 into the inbox from other lists. How do you run a
>>>>>>>>>>                 filter on a message?
>>>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>>>                 Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>>>                 Rosemarie
>>>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>>>                 On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>                     1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>                     2. Tab to the new button.
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>                     3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from
>>>>>>>>>>                     in the combo box, tell it to match nvda.
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>                     4. For the next two combo boxes, it will
>>>>>>>>>>                     probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow and
>>>>>>>>>>                     expand them. Just pick whatever you like, I
>>>>>>>>>>                     move mine to a folder called nvda that I made.
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>                     5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the
>>>>>>>>>>                     new menu in the file menu, do that before you
>>>>>>>>>>                     do a filter if you want to move stuff, because
>>>>>>>>>>                     the folder has to exist for you to pick it. If
>>>>>>>>>>                     you want the folder in the main account, i.e.
>>>>>>>>>>                     another folder like inbox, before you make the
>>>>>>>>>>                     folder, highlight your account name with the
>>>>>>>>>>                     arrows. If you want everything under your
>>>>>>>>>>                     inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to
>>>>>>>>>>                     expand folders, highlight your inbox. The
>>>>>>>>>>                     difference is that if you highlight the
>>>>>>>>>>                     account, you can down arrow, so you'll get
>>>>>>>>>>                     inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever. If
>>>>>>>>>>                     you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox
>>>>>>>>>>                     usually starts collapsed and you have to hit
>>>>>>>>>>                     right arrow to expand it, then you hit down
>>>>>>>>>>                     arrow to get to those folders, you'll go
>>>>>>>>>>                     through whatever you made, then you'll get
>>>>>>>>>>                     back to sent, trash, whatever.
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>                     If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask
>>>>>>>>>>                     questions.
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>                     On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>                         Hi, John,
>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>                         How do you create filters in thunderbird or
>>>>>>>>>>                         do you just delete them after reading or
>>>>>>>>>>                         replying to them? Outlook is ok but It's a
>>>>>>>>>>                         bit clunky.
>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>                         Rosemarie
>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>                         On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>                             Microsoft's various mail programs have
>>>>>>>>>>                             always been weird though. I used to use
>>>>>>>>>>                             Outlook, the one that came in Office.
>>>>>>>>>>                             Then I had to upgrade or migrate
>>>>>>>>>>                             machines or whatever. So I exported
>>>>>>>>>>                             mail and everything just like you're
>>>>>>>>>>                             supposed to. Got everything installed,
>>>>>>>>>>                             imported into the new Outlook.
>>>>>>>>>>                             Suddenly none of my filtering rules to
>>>>>>>>>>                             send messages to specific folders
>>>>>>>>>>                             would work. So I literally deleted
>>>>>>>>>>                             them all and recreated them from
>>>>>>>>>>                             scratch, and they still wouldn't work.
>>>>>>>>>>                             That's when I switched to Thunderbird
>>>>>>>>>>                             and I've been using it ever since.
>>
>
>





Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

The ruule is called audioourplace.

On 10/26/2017 2:03 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Yes, it would help if Rosemarie could tell us exactly what her filtering rule
says, otherwise we're just guessing, based on how we might do it.

Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 23:00:49, Gene wrote:

I don't think that will help. Assuming the correct address is being used,
then the problem may be something like using the from line instead of the
to line in the message rule.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters


I'm not sure but I'll ask the owner.

On 10/26/2017 1:43 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Does that Google group have a publicly-available message archive
somewhere, so we could see the emails on it without having to subscribe?

If so, can you tell us:

a) where the archive can be found

b) the sender, date, time and timezone of two messages:
- one which got filtered by your rule
- one which did not get filtered by your rule

Then we might be able to look at the emessages for ourselves and see if
we can spot a difference, and why your rule might sometimes not be
working.


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:34:29, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Messages not being filtered: audioourplace@...


Messages being filtered: nvda@nvda.groups.io


Hope this helps somewhat.

On 10/26/2017 1:29 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
The same way you found them when you worked out what to look for in the
filter rules?

If you don't know how to find the headers, how did you create the
filter rule?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:27:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
How do I find the headers?

On 10/26/2017 1:24 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
I can only repeat my request:

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
which does not get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:21:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I have no problem so-far with the messages from the NVDA list but
some of the messages form the audioourplace aren't being filtered.

On 10/26/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match
some header which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which
you expect to have that header are being filtered, and other emails
which you expect to have that header are not being filtered.

Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the
emails which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of
the emails which does not get filtered?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Anthony,


Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how
they're supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I
can be. The header isaudioourplace.

On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Can you give us an example of an email which did not get
filtered, along with the rule which you expected to filter it?

We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see
whichever part the filter was supposed to act on.

Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't -
such as the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at
the end don't, etc?

Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are
never filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do
nothing, or are you saying that some emails get filtered by the
rule they're supposd to match and other emails do not get
filtered by the same rule?


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria
wrote:
Only some of them got filtered.

On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some
of them? Again, if some messages are filtered and some are
not, I'd check the headers of a filtered message and an
unfiltered one to see if there are any differences. I see you
use the to: field. If somebody replies to a person and has the
list address in the cc: field, then obviously it won't get
filtered. These are the kinds of things to start checking for.
If you have a case like that, you might need to set up two or
three rules for the list to make sure every message gets
filtered and moved to its folder.

On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Gene,

Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the
music list I'm on as an example.

1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.

2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.

3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace.
That's the music list I'm on.

4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new
messages" or something like that.

5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the
following" and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to"
field.

6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an
edit box and typed audioourplace@...
<mailto:audioourplace@...>.

7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder
for the music list and hit enter on it.

8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.

9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a
new rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it.
The filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages
from that list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem
could be.

I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On
Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't
work? Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule
to look for where you tell it to look? Are you sure the
spelling is exactly correct for every item you are using?
I'm not sure what else might account for some of the rules
not working.

It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that
doesn't work, that someone will be able to find the error.
That is tedious but it may work. It might be much faster and
more likely to find the error to work with someone.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>

*Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.

On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
What do you mean some other messages from other
lists. If your rule only applies to messages with
one list name, then no other messages will be
affected. You need to make a separate rule for
every list.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Rosemarie Chavarria
<mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
*Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
Hi, Robert,
I already did all that. Some other messages from the
other lists are still going into the inbox. I don't
know what else to do.
Rosemarie
On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
subject line is intended to change to avoid
confusion of the thread. About your concern for
filtering particular message into your inbox in
Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your
focus is located to the message that is not open
yet, then tab several times till the focus is
directed in the recipient column. Right click
then select Create Filter From. The rest of the
filters process is the same as mentioned below
by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter
by manually so that it will run automatically
into your corresponding filtered of your choice.
Robert Mendoza
On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, John,
Let's say you want to run a filter on a
message that comes into the inbox. I've
pretty muchcreated the filters but there are
messages till coming into the inbox from
other lists. How do you run a filter on a
message?
Thanks.
Rosemarie
On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
1. Go to the tools menu, pick message
filters.
2. Tab to the new button.
3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g.
from in the combo box, tell it to match
nvda.
4. For the next two combo boxes, it will
probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow
and expand them. Just pick whatever you
like, I move mine to a folder called nvda
that I made.
5. To make a folder, just pick folder
from the new menu in the file menu, do
that before you do a filter if you want
to move stuff, because the folder has to
exist for you to pick it. If you want
the folder in the main account, i.e.
another folder like inbox, before you
make the folder, highlight your account
name with the arrows. If you want
everything under your inbox, so you have
to hit right arrow to expand folders,
highlight your inbox. The difference is
that if you highlight the account, you
can down arrow, so you'll get inbox,
your folder, sent, trash, whatever. If
you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox
usually starts collapsed and you have to
hit right arrow to expand it, then you
hit down arrow to get to those folders,
you'll go through whatever you made,
then you'll get back to sent, trash,
whatever.
If that's confusing somehow, feel free to
ask questions.
On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria
wrote:
Hi, John,
How do you create filters in
thunderbird or do you just delete
them after reading or replying to
them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit
clunky.
Rosemarie
On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige
wrote:
Microsoft's various mail programs
have always been weird though. I
used to use Outlook, the one that
came in Office. Then I had to
upgrade or migrate machines or
whatever. So I exported mail and
everything just like you're
supposed to. Got everything
installed, imported into the new
Outlook. Suddenly none of my
filtering rules to send messages
to specific folders would work.
So I literally deleted them all
and recreated them from scratch,
and they still wouldn't work.
That's when I switched to
Thunderbird and I've been using
it ever since.


Re: Chrome

Gene
 

I doubt the version 52.x ESR version of the program is slower or significantly slower.  And there are about nine months before the ESR version will be replaced by a newer version, by which time, the accessibility problems may be solved in the new version of Firefox.  Chrome doesn't have as good an interface as firefox.  While browsing is the same because browse mode or equivalent such as the virtual pc cursor is used, a different name but the same thing, the actual program interface isn't as good.  and Firefox has features that, in my opinion are valuable and that, as far as I know, Chrome either doesn't have or not as conveniently.
 
I've written about these before.  I'll mention them now but I won't write about them again unless requested to.  They are, a search bookmarks feature I find very valuable and a read article feature that eliminates a lot of extraneous links such as blocks in the middle of articles.  There is a plugin for this with Chrome but when I tried it, it appeared to be inaccessible. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Chrome

I'll probably do the same thing.




On 10/26/2017 2:44 PM, Lawrence Stoler wrote:
> I'm thinking of switching to Chrome as Firefox is running slower these
> days.
>
>
>
>
> On 10/26/2017 5:42 PM, Don H wrote:
>> I find that the Chrome browser works very well with NVDA.  In fact I
>> very seldom use any other browser.  Most troublesome browser to me is
>> Internet Explorer with more and more web sites not working well with IE.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: Chrome

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I'll probably do the same thing.

On 10/26/2017 2:44 PM, Lawrence Stoler wrote:
I'm thinking of switching to Chrome as Firefox is running slower these days.




On 10/26/2017 5:42 PM, Don H wrote:
I find that the Chrome browser works very well with NVDA.  In fact I
very seldom use any other browser.  Most troublesome browser to me is
Internet Explorer with more and more web sites not working well with IE.






Re: Excel Macro editing

Quentin Christensen
 

I must admit I don't do a lot of VBA / macro editing currently, but with missing characters, check your symbol level.  Many characters aren't read at lower symbol levels, which works great when reading web pages and e-mails, and not so great for code.  You may like to set symbol level to all for working in VB - either with a configuration profile, or with the NVDA+p keystroke.

I can't reproduce missing lines just at the moment (I appreciate you said randomly), so will have to keep looking for that.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 4:30 AM, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

Hi

Using W10 Home, NVDA 17.3 ms Excel 2007.

There have been long-standing issues where NVDA  does not work properly when editing macro VBA code and cell formulae in Excel 2007.  When navigating VBA code line by line with arrow keys, NVDA will randomly miss out speaking lines of code and when editing formulae, it will randomly miss out voicing some characters, occasionally saying space instead, when using the arrow keys to move character by character.  Has anyone had these issues and found any solutions, maybe in later Excel versions?   

 

Cheers

Chris




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Re: Weather Plus 4.6 25.10.2017 update available

Kwork
 


Many browsers and download managers will change the extension of the file to zip when downloading, since the add-on is basically a zip file that can be uncompressed. Change the extension from .zip to .nvda-addon and it should work when pressing enter on it to install into NVDA.
Travis

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weather Plus 4.6 25.10.2017 update available

Hi Adriano,
 
I downloaded the zip file from the link in this e mail.  Since it’s a zip file how do I install it into nvda?  thanks for any help.
 
From: Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:13 AM
Subject: [nvda] Weather Plus 4.6 25.10.2017 update available
 
Hi to every one,
 
Finally fixed the server issues.
It is important that you download it from:
Thanks
 
Cheers
Adriano


Re: Chrome

Lawrence Stoler
 

I'm thinking of switching to Chrome as Firefox is running slower these days.

On 10/26/2017 5:42 PM, Don H wrote:
I find that the Chrome browser works very well with NVDA.  In fact I
very seldom use any other browser.  Most troublesome browser to me is
Internet Explorer with more and more web sites not working well with IE.




Re: Chrome

Don H
 

I find that the Chrome browser works very well with NVDA. In fact I very seldom use any other browser. Most troublesome browser to me is Internet Explorer with more and more web sites not working well with IE.


Re: Chrome

 

yes I use it all the time

On 10/26/2017 11:21 AM, kelby carlson wrote:
Is Chrome accessible with NVDA? I've tried using it but haven't had a lot of success.




switching accounts

Don H
 

Using NVDA 2017-3 on a Win 10 fall creator laptop.
Normally I run my computer on a local account but today I wanted to switch to my Microsoft account.
I went to settings, accounts and hit enter on the use a Microsoft account instead. At that point you are at a screen that has a edit box for your Email address and I was able to type it in. After that however NVDA would not allow me to get to the next button thus I could not get to the next screen to enter in my password. Any tips as how to get NVDA to work well with these account screens?
Thanks


Re: Using Thunderbird filters

Gene
 

I understand your point but at times, if something doesn't work and you go through what seems to be the likely and logical causes, you then start trying things that may not seem to be relevant but which may be.  perhaps there is something about the NVDA list that causes the rule to work when the from field is used even though it would not seem that there should be.  But at some point, you have to start trying things that seem illogical as long as they are not dangerous or destructive..
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Surely this would be the same for the address which IS working, though:
nvda@nvda.groups.io

I'm assuming (happy to be corrected if I'm wrong...) that Rosemarie has
created the same type of rule for both lists, matching on the same field.


Antony.

On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 23:09:47, Gene wrote:

> I just checked and one of the available fields when making a message rule
> is to.  Put the address of the list in the to field.  I don't recall ever
> seeing a list place its address in the from field.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Gene
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 4:00 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>
>
> I don't think that will help.  Assuming the correct address is being used,
> then the problem may be something like using the from line instead of the
> to line in the message rule.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Rosemarie Chavarria
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:45 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
>
>
> I'm not sure but I'll ask the owner.
>
> On 10/26/2017 1:43 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> > Does that Google group have a publicly-available message archive
> > somewhere, so we could see the emails on it without having to subscribe?
> >
> > If so, can you tell us:
> >
> > a) where the archive can be found
> >
> > b) the sender, date, time and timezone of two messages:
> >   - one which got filtered by your rule
> >  
> >   - one which did not get filtered by your rule
> >
> > Then we might be able to look at the emessages for ourselves and see if
> > we can spot a difference, and why your rule might sometimes not be
> > working.
> >
> >
> > Antony.
> >
> > On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:34:29, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >> Messages not being filtered: audioourplace@...
> >>
> >>
> >> Messages being filtered: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> >>
> >>
> >> Hope this helps somewhat.
> >>
> >> On 10/26/2017 1:29 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> >>> The same way you found them when you worked out what to look for in the
> >>> filter rules?
> >>>
> >>> If you don't know how to find the headers, how did you create the
> >>> filter rule?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Antony.
> >>>
> >>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:27:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>> How do I find the headers?
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/26/2017 1:24 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> >>>>> I can only repeat my request:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the emails
> >>>>> which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of the emails
> >>>>> which does not get filtered?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Antony.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:21:43, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>>>> I have no problem so-far with the messages from the NVDA list but
> >>>>>> some of the messages form the audioourplace aren't being filtered.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 10/26/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> >>>>>>> So, I understand that to mean that you have a rule defined to match
> >>>>>>> some header which contains "isaudioourplace", and some emails which
> >>>>>>> you expect to have that header are being filtered, and other emails
> >>>>>>> which you expect to have that header are not being filtered.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Can you show us an example of the header taken from one of the
> >>>>>>> emails which does get filtered, and an example taken from one of
> >>>>>>> the emails which does not get filtered?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Antony.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:16:32, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hi, Anthony,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Some of the messages aren't getting filtered according to how
> >>>>>>>> they're supposed to be matched. I don't know how much clearer I
> >>>>>>>> can be. The header isaudioourplace.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 1:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Can you give us an example of an email which did not get
> >>>>>>>>> filtered, along with the rule which you expected to filter it?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We don't need to see the full email - we only need to see
> >>>>>>>>> whichever part the filter was supposed to act on.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Is there any pattern to which ones work and which ones don't -
> >>>>>>>>> such as the rules at the top of the list work, and the ones at
> >>>>>>>>> the end don't, etc?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Also, just to be clear, are you saying the some of your rules are
> >>>>>>>>> never filtering any emails they're supposed to filter, so they do
> >>>>>>>>> nothing, or are you saying that some emails get filtered by the
> >>>>>>>>> rule they're supposd to match and other emails do not get
> >>>>>>>>> filtered by the same rule?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Antony.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday 26 October 2017 at 22:02:47, Rosemarie Chavarria
wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Only some of them got filtered.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 12:44 PM, John Isige wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Question: Did all messages stop getting filtered, or only some
> >>>>>>>>>>> of them? Again, if some messages are filtered and some are
> >>>>>>>>>>> not, I'd check the headers of a filtered message and an
> >>>>>>>>>>> unfiltered one to see if there are any differences. I see you
> >>>>>>>>>>> use the to: field. If somebody replies to a person and has the
> >>>>>>>>>>> list address in the cc: field, then obviously it won't get
> >>>>>>>>>>> filtered. These are the kinds of things to start checking for.
> >>>>>>>>>>> If you have a case like that, you might need to set up two or
> >>>>>>>>>>> three rules for the list to make sure every message gets
> >>>>>>>>>>> filtered and moved to its folder.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2017 12:46, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Gene,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Here are the steps I took to create the rules. I'll use the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> music list I'm on as an example.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1. I went to tools with alt T and hit f for message filters.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. I tabbed to the new button and hit the space bar on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 3. I typed the name for my rule. It's called audioourplace.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That's the music list I'm on.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4. I unchecked the box that says "manually check for new
> >>>>>>>>>>>> messages" or something like that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Next, I tabbed to the box that says "match all of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> following" and then tabbed to the combo box and chose the "to"
> >>>>>>>>>>>> field.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 6. I tabbed to the box for "contains". Then I tabbed to an
> >>>>>>>>>>>> edit box and typed audioourplace@...
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:audioourplace@...>.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 7. I tabbed to where you choose a folder. I chose the folder
> >>>>>>>>>>>> for the music list and hit enter on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 8. I tabbed to the ok button and hit the space bar on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 9. When I was taken back to the screen where you'd create a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> new rule, I tabbed to the run now button and hit enter on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The filter did work for awhile but then I got new messages
> >>>>>>>>>>>> from that list in my inbox so I don't know where the problem
> >>>>>>>>>>>> could be.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I hope these steps explain better what I was trying to do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rosemarie
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Gene
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:25 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Then the question is, what is wrong with the rules that don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>> work? Are you sure all the lists have what you tell the rule
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to look for where you tell it to look?  Are you sure the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> spelling is exactly correct for every item you are using?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what else might account for some of the rules
> >>>>>>>>>>>> not working.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> It might be that if you wrote out every step for a rule that
> >>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't work, that someone will be able to find the error.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That is tedious but it may work.  It might be much faster and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> more likely to find the error to work with someone.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Gene
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:*Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:*Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:36 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I created rules for all the lists that I'm on.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/25/2017 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          What do you mean some other messages from other
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          lists. If your rule only applies to messages with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          one list name, then no other messages will be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          affected.  You need to make a separate rule for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          every list.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          Gene
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          *From:*Rosemarie Chavarria
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          *Sent:*Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          Hi, Robert,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          I already did all that. Some other messages from the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          other lists are still going into the inbox. I don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          know what else to do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          Rosemarie
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>          On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              subject line is intended to change to avoid
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              confusion of the thread. About your concern for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              filtering particular message into your inbox in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              focus is located to the message that is not open
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              yet, then tab several times till the focus is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              directed in the recipient column. Right click
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              then select Create Filter From. The rest of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              filters process is the same as mentioned below
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              by manually so that it will run automatically
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              into your corresponding filtered of your choice.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              Robert Mendoza
> >>>>>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  Hi, John,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  Let's say you want to run a filter on a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  message that comes into the inbox. I've
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  pretty muchcreated the filters but there are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  messages till coming into the inbox from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  other lists. How do you run a filter on a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  message?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  Thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  Rosemarie
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                  On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      1. Go to the tools menu, pick message
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      filters.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      2. Tab to the new button.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      from in the combo box, tell it to match
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      nvda.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      4. For the next two combo boxes, it will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      and expand them. Just pick whatever you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      like, I move mine to a folder called nvda
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      that I made.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      5. To make a folder, just pick folder
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      from the new menu in the file menu, do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      that before you do a filter if you want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      to move stuff, because the folder has to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      exist for you to pick it. If you want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      the folder in the main account, i.e.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      another folder like inbox, before you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      make the folder, highlight your account
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      name with the arrows. If you want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      everything under your inbox, so you have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      to hit right arrow to expand folders,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      highlight your inbox. The difference is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      that if you highlight the account, you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      can down arrow, so you'll get inbox,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      your folder, sent, trash, whatever. If
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      usually starts collapsed and you have to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      hit right arrow to expand it, then you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      hit down arrow to get to those folders,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      you'll go through whatever you made,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      then you'll get back to sent, trash,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      whatever.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      If that's confusing somehow, feel free to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      ask questions.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                      On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria
> >
> > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          Hi, John,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          How do you create filters in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          thunderbird or do you just delete
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          them after reading or replying to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          clunky.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          Rosemarie
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                          On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige
wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              Microsoft's various mail programs
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              have always been weird though. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              used to use Outlook, the one that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              came in Office. Then I had to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              upgrade or migrate machines or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              whatever. So I exported mail and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              everything just like you're
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              supposed to. Got everything
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              installed, imported into the new
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              Outlook. Suddenly none of my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              filtering rules to send messages
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              to specific folders would work.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              So I literally deleted them all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              and recreated them from scratch,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              and they still wouldn't work.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              That's when I switched to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              Thunderbird and I've been using
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                              it ever since.