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Re: questions about palemoon:

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Seamonkey is OK I think in the main, I don't know about the others.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] questions about palemoon:


hi every one.
thanks so much for helping me.

are all of firefox based browsers inaccessible like palemoon?
did you try waterfox, cyberfox cmonkey or any other firefox and gecko
based browsers?
i am waiting for the answer from anyone who tested these browsers.
because i dont want to cause problem for you to need reinstall your
windows again!
God bless you all and i never forget your kindness.

On 4/3/17, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:
I gathered that. So, it's like firefox?

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: April-02-17 1:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] questions about palemoon:

Arlene,


It's a browser. Actually, it's a lighter version of Firefox, where the
"lighter" was obtained by stripping Firefox of all accessibility features...
Nice, I'd say...

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 02/04/2017 21:08, Arlene ha scritto:
Hi, What is Palemoon? What is it used for?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mallard
Sent: April-02-17 9:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] questions about palemoon:

Hello all,


PaleMoon is not accessible, because they simply stripped it of all
accessibility functions to make it lighter...


Thanks devs, that's definitely the way to go to make inclusive
programmes (sarcastic grin).


Ciao,

Ollie





Il 31/03/2017 23:54, Gene New Zealand ha scritto:
Hi


I downloaded a copy of it this morning. it was not usable by NVDA.
Because it was not accessible i then uninstalled it from my pc on
windows 10. When the computer rebooted actually it would only go as
far as the log on screen but no further. it basically when
uninstalled and the computer rebooted crashed the computer i am
using now and i had to reinstall windows all together. I could not
even restore it back to a earlier version or even reset it.


I have only got it back on line this mornig and in the process of
putting some programs on it.


DO NOT ToUCh AT ALL.


I do not know what it done but my wife had to reload windows all
together.



Gene nz



On 1/04/2017 12:55 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hello every one.
i heard about palemoon in some websites and wish to know about it.
is it completely accessible for nvda users like firefox?
whats the difference between palemoon and firefox in terms of
security, customizability, accessibility, Good performance without
crash or hang and also speed?
i waite for your help specially expert users or even developers of
nvda.
God bless you all, i pray for you and request divine infinite mercy for
you.












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Re: Looking for a function similar to the jaws text analyzer

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Count me into that one, but A I have no time and B would not know where to start. Happy to test one out though.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 2:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looking for a function similar to the jaws text analyzer


There are some grammar checking tools available like ProWritingAid, which
go above what Word will give you, although some things like that unmatched
parenthesis or quotes may still not be picked up.

If anyone is interested, it could make a useful add-on though.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Domingos,

You have an excellent point there. I am pasting the text about the text
analyzer
from the freedomscientific website.
Source:
http://doccenter.freedomscientific.com/doccenter/doccenter/
rs25c51746a0cc/2012-0
6-20_textformatting/02_textformatting.htm
Text Analyzer
When editing a document using speech only, inconsistencies such as
unmatched
parentheses, unintentional format changes, extra whitespace, and stray or
unspaced punctuation can often be missed. The Text Analyzer feature is a
tool
that notifies you of these errors in your document by using a spoken
message or
WAV file. You can configure JAWS to announce discrepancies by count, by
description, or by sound while proofreading the document by line, sentence,
paragraph, or Say All command. Braille users will benefit from this since a
sound can be emitted before the user has time to read the entire line
looking
for errors.
Text Analyzer Modes
The Text Analyzer has the following four modes which you can get to by
pressing
INSERT+V. Type the word "text analyzer" in the search edit box.
. Indicate with sound - JAWS will play an audible sound when the cursor
moves to
a line where an inconsistency is found. This works when scrolling up and
down
through text or when using SayAll mode.
. Speak count - JAWS will speak the number of inconsistencies found on each
line.
. Describe inconsistencies - JAWS will announce the type and location of
any
inconsistencies found on each line of the document. This is the most
descriptive
of the different Text Analyzer modes.
. Off - Text Analyzer is off and no inconsistency information will be
spoken.
NOTE: You can also press ALT+WINDOWS KEY+I at any time to have Text
Analyzer
move the cursor to the next inconsistency. This can be done even when Text
Analyzer is turned off, and is an easy to quickly find potential errors in
your
document.
Pranav





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Re: Looking for a function similar to the jaws text analyzer

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Does this work just in Word, or is it for any text editor, say Jarte etc?
It sounds like a candidate for an add on to me. I often get moaned at by the sighted when making up quick things to read on the talking newspaper as one does miss weird tabs, extra punctuation and brackets in odd places when you are doing a quick sub of a longer document and altering it to make sense as a spoken document, like taking out as you can see and appears below etc.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Pranav Lal" <pranav.lal@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 1:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looking for a function similar to the jaws text analyzer


Hi Domingos,

You have an excellent point there. I am pasting the text about the text analyzer
from the freedomscientific website.
Source:
http://doccenter.freedomscientific.com/doccenter/doccenter/rs25c51746a0cc/2012-0
6-20_textformatting/02_textformatting.htm
Text Analyzer
When editing a document using speech only, inconsistencies such as unmatched
parentheses, unintentional format changes, extra whitespace, and stray or
unspaced punctuation can often be missed. The Text Analyzer feature is a tool
that notifies you of these errors in your document by using a spoken message or
WAV file. You can configure JAWS to announce discrepancies by count, by
description, or by sound while proofreading the document by line, sentence,
paragraph, or Say All command. Braille users will benefit from this since a
sound can be emitted before the user has time to read the entire line looking
for errors.
Text Analyzer Modes
The Text Analyzer has the following four modes which you can get to by pressing
INSERT+V. Type the word "text analyzer" in the search edit box.
. Indicate with sound - JAWS will play an audible sound when the cursor moves to
a line where an inconsistency is found. This works when scrolling up and down
through text or when using SayAll mode.
. Speak count - JAWS will speak the number of inconsistencies found on each
line.
. Describe inconsistencies - JAWS will announce the type and location of any
inconsistencies found on each line of the document. This is the most descriptive
of the different Text Analyzer modes.
. Off - Text Analyzer is off and no inconsistency information will be spoken.
NOTE: You can also press ALT+WINDOWS KEY+I at any time to have Text Analyzer
move the cursor to the next inconsistency. This can be done even when Text
Analyzer is turned off, and is an easy to quickly find potential errors in your
document.
Pranav



Re: questions about palemoon:

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No it was around in the xp days as well, but its rubbish, orse than rubbish. When you install anything back up the registry first. Erunt works on 7, but I've yet to get it to work on 10.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] questions about palemoon:


Oh, it's an internet browser? Does it only work for windows ten?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: April-02-17 1:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] questions about palemoon:

Oh, dear!!!


That's awful! Not being accessible is already bad enough... Causing someone to have to reinstall the OS from scratch is almost criminal!


Sorry about that... I was lucky, because when I wanted to try that, my
son told me that all accessibility had been removed to make the browser
lighter...

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 02/04/2017 22:09, Gene New Zealand ha scritto:
And when uninstalled it totally crashed my computer after it was
rebooted and i after a few different options had to reinstall my
operating system from a clean install.

I was using windows 10 and nvda 2017.1.


Gene nz



On 3/04/2017 4:34 AM, Mallard wrote:
Hello all,


PaleMoon is not accessible, because they simply stripped it of all
accessibility functions to make it lighter...


Thanks devs, that's definitely the way to go to make inclusive
programmes (sarcastic grin).


Ciao,

Ollie





Il 31/03/2017 23:54, Gene New Zealand ha scritto:
Hi


I downloaded a copy of it this morning. it was not usable by NVDA.
Because it was not accessible i then uninstalled it from my pc on
windows 10. When the computer rebooted actually it would only go as far
as the log on screen but no further. it basically when uninstalled and
the computer rebooted crashed the computer i am using now and i had to
reinstall windows all together. I could not even restore it back to a
earlier version or even reset it.


I have only got it back on line this mornig and in the process of
putting some programs on it.


DO NOT ToUCh AT ALL.


I do not know what it done but my wife had to reload windows all
together.



Gene nz



On 1/04/2017 12:55 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hello every one.
i heard about palemoon in some websites and wish to know about it.
is it completely accessible for nvda users like firefox?
whats the difference between palemoon and firefox in terms of
security, customizability, accessibility, Good performance without
crash or hang and also speed?
i waite for your help specially expert users or even developers of
nvda.
God bless you all, i pray for you and request divine infinite mercy
for you.



Re: questions about palemoon:

Mallard
 

No, it works for previous Windowses too, but not for screen reader users... sigh!

Il 03/04/2017 00:32, Arlene ha scritto:
Oh, it's an internet browser? Does it only work for windows ten?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: April-02-17 1:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] questions about palemoon:

Oh, dear!!!


That's awful! Not being accessible is already bad enough... Causing someone to have to reinstall the OS from scratch is almost criminal!


Sorry about that... I was lucky, because when I wanted to try that, my
son told me that all accessibility had been removed to make the browser
lighter...

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 02/04/2017 22:09, Gene New Zealand ha scritto:
And when uninstalled it totally crashed my computer after it was
rebooted and i after a few different options had to reinstall my
operating system from a clean install.

I was using windows 10 and nvda 2017.1.


Gene nz



On 3/04/2017 4:34 AM, Mallard wrote:
Hello all,


PaleMoon is not accessible, because they simply stripped it of all
accessibility functions to make it lighter...


Thanks devs, that's definitely the way to go to make inclusive
programmes (sarcastic grin).


Ciao,

Ollie





Il 31/03/2017 23:54, Gene New Zealand ha scritto:
Hi


I downloaded a copy of it this morning. it was not usable by NVDA.
Because it was not accessible i then uninstalled it from my pc on
windows 10. When the computer rebooted actually it would only go as far
as the log on screen but no further. it basically when uninstalled and
the computer rebooted crashed the computer i am using now and i had to
reinstall windows all together. I could not even restore it back to a
earlier version or even reset it.


I have only got it back on line this mornig and in the process of
putting some programs on it.


DO NOT ToUCh AT ALL.


I do not know what it done but my wife had to reload windows all
together.



Gene nz



On 1/04/2017 12:55 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hello every one.
i heard about palemoon in some websites and wish to know about it.
is it completely accessible for nvda users like firefox?
whats the difference between palemoon and firefox in terms of
security, customizability, accessibility, Good performance without
crash or hang and also speed?
i waite for your help specially expert users or even developers of
nvda.
God bless you all, i pray for you and request divine infinite mercy
for you.





Re: what's the e mail address to subscribe this group?

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If you sent this and we saw it you are subscribed already. Or did I miss something?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Leo Bado" <leobado1970@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 10:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] what's the e mail address to subscribe this group?


hey folks,

I've been trying to subscribe to this group using e mail address
provided at the end of each message, however it failes every time I'm
going to send the request,

so, what's the suscription adress?

thanks.





Re: questions about palemoon:

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Its a browser which is very cut down based on Firefox, or it was last time I looked. There are many such things around based on ie, Chrome and mozilla code. I've yet to find one that has any advantages to us.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] questions about palemoon:


Hi, What is Palemoon? What is it used for?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: April-02-17 9:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] questions about palemoon:

Hello all,


PaleMoon is not accessible, because they simply stripped it of all accessibility functions to make it lighter...


Thanks devs, that's definitely the way to go to make inclusive
programmes (sarcastic grin).


Ciao,

Ollie





Il 31/03/2017 23:54, Gene New Zealand ha scritto:
Hi


I downloaded a copy of it this morning. it was not usable by NVDA.
Because it was not accessible i then uninstalled it from my pc on
windows 10. When the computer rebooted actually it would only go as far
as the log on screen but no further. it basically when uninstalled and
the computer rebooted crashed the computer i am using now and i had to
reinstall windows all together. I could not even restore it back to a
earlier version or even reset it.


I have only got it back on line this mornig and in the process of
putting some programs on it.


DO NOT ToUCh AT ALL.


I do not know what it done but my wife had to reload windows all together.



Gene nz



On 1/04/2017 12:55 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hello every one.
i heard about palemoon in some websites and wish to know about it.
is it completely accessible for nvda users like firefox?
whats the difference between palemoon and firefox in terms of
security, customizability, accessibility, Good performance without
crash or hang and also speed?
i waite for your help specially expert users or even developers of nvda.
God bless you all, i pray for you and request divine infinite mercy for you.


Re: disable beeping in NVDA

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I'd have thought it unlikely that beeping is the cause of battery death. Surely the connection is maintained constantly whether sound is present or not as otherwise the front of spoken bits and other sounds would not make ti to the phones.
More likely the battery is knackered or just that the system is badly designed.
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Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] disable beeping in NVDA


Peter,

I'm not sure it will help as I have not experienced the endless stream of tones, but perhaps that's because I use the NoBeepsSpeechMode Add-On ( https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/noBeepsSpeechMode.en.html ) available at the NVDA Add-Ons Page ( https://addons.nvda-project.org/index.en.html ) along with lots of others. There are some signal tones, like when NVDA is starting and exiting and when you toggle certain things on or off, but that's about it. I keep speech mode on for the most part.
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Re: questions about palemoon:

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Yes indeed, I've noticed where some programs with embedded browsers do this as well, making them completely useless.
I think the main worry here is that uninstalling it screws stuff up. Looks to me like its just not been designed very well and certainly not tested.
I am sure there used to be a portable version of this browser. If anyone does fancy strange browsers, always look for the portable version as its far less likely to screw up your system in my experience.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mallard" <mallard@kimabe.eu>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] questions about palemoon:


Hello all,


PaleMoon is not accessible, because they simply stripped it of all accessibility functions to make it lighter...


Thanks devs, that's definitely the way to go to make inclusive programmes (sarcastic grin).


Ciao,

Ollie





Il 31/03/2017 23:54, Gene New Zealand ha scritto:
Hi


I downloaded a copy of it this morning. it was not usable by NVDA.
Because it was not accessible i then uninstalled it from my pc on
windows 10. When the computer rebooted actually it would only go as far
as the log on screen but no further. it basically when uninstalled and
the computer rebooted crashed the computer i am using now and i had to
reinstall windows all together. I could not even restore it back to a
earlier version or even reset it.


I have only got it back on line this mornig and in the process of
putting some programs on it.


DO NOT ToUCh AT ALL.


I do not know what it done but my wife had to reload windows all together.



Gene nz



On 1/04/2017 12:55 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hello every one.
i heard about palemoon in some websites and wish to know about it.
is it completely accessible for nvda users like firefox?
whats the difference between palemoon and firefox in terms of
security, customizability, accessibility, Good performance without
crash or hang and also speed?
i waite for your help specially expert users or even developers of nvda.
God bless you all, i pray for you and request divine infinite mercy for you.


Re: Fw: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing

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I think my question was the why not the how to fix it. One would like to be told exactly what triggered it in the first place.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Fw: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing


Brian, I have gotten it a couple of times. Both times, I clicked the link.

At 05:14 AM 4/2/2017, you wrote:
The message below is arriving here about twice a week interestingly around the time of some unspotted spam from wherever. Could it be that the server I use needs greylisting after such an event, ie the first attempt is always refused to stop spam bots from sending to it. If so then I'd expect others to get this message and lose emails from this list.


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Re: Say all/read to end funny

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I tent not to have it on as I like to use it for batch files etc, and it mucks up the formatting if on. One would have thought that the output from the program might have line lengths set. I'll have a play around with it.
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Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Say all/read to end funny


Use word wrap. That will probably solve the problem. It sounds as though you don't have word wrap on and my guess is that that is causing a buffer overflow in the screen-reader or in the speech synthesizer, I don't know which.

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Subject: [nvda] Say all/read to end funny



I'm sure you all know the bit of software called cpuz, which is used to show
what is inside your pc, very handy if you want more ram or whatever, well I
have a little batch file that sends this output to notepad ie a txt file
loaded into notepad.
The thing is that when I do a read to end from anywhere, it often stops
well before the end. Is this expected or is it a bug?
Here is the end of a say all and what nvda/f1 reports when it has stopped.
Note the truncated bits. Is say all cancelled if a certain line length is
reached, perhaps?

Speaking [IndexCommand(1), LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'),
u'\t0x80000002\t\t0x65746E49\t0x2952286C\t0x726F4320\t0x4D542865\r\n',
IndexCommand(2),
u'\t0x80000003\t\t0x35692029\t0x3936342D\t0x43205330\t0x40205550\r\n',
IndexCommand(3),
u'\t0x80000004\t\t0x322E3320\t0x7A484730\t0x00000000\t0x00000000\r\n',
IndexCommand(4),
u'\t0x80000005\t\t0x00000000\t0x00000000\t0x00000000\t0x00000000\r\n',
IndexCommand(5),
u'\t0x80000006\t\t0x00000000\t0x00000000\t0x01006040\t0x00000000\r\n',
IndexCommand(6),
u'\t0x80000007\t\t0x00000000\t0x00000000\t0x00000000\t0x00000100\r\n',
IndexCommand(7),
u'\t0x80000008\t\t0x00003027\t0x00000000\t0x00000000\t0x00000000\r\n',
IndexCommand(8), IndexCommand(9), u'\tMSR
0x0000001B\t\t0x00000000\t0xFEE00900\r\n', IndexCommand(10), u'\tMSR
0x0000003A\t\t0x00000000\t0x00000005\r\n', IndexCommand(11), u'\tMSR
0x000001A0\t\t0x00000000\t0x00850089\r\n']

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:12:00):

Input: kb(desktop):NVDA+f1

INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo
(11:12:00):

Developer info for navigator object:

name: None

role: ROLE_EDITABLETEXT

states: STATE_MULTILINE, STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_FOCUSED

isFocusable: True

hasFocus: True

Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_IAccessibleEditWindowNVDAObject object
at 0x05A354B0>

Python class mro: (<class
'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_IAccessibleEditWindowNVDAObject'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.window.edit.Edit'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableTextWithAutoSelectDetection'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableText'>, <class 'editableText.EditableText'>,
<class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>,
<class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)

description: None

location: (2, 40, 1260, 954)

value: u'CPU-Z TXT
Report\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\r\n\r\nBinaries\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\r\n\r\nCPU-Z
version\t\t\t1.72.0\r\n\r\nProcessors\r\n------------------------------'
(truncated)

appModule: <'appModuleHandler' (appName u'notepad', process ID 4820) at
address 5c8cdb0>

appModule.productName: u'Microsoft\xae Windows\xae Operating System'

appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'

TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.window.edit.EditTextInfo'>

windowHandle: 1048978

windowClassName: u'Edit'

windowControlID: 15

windowStyle: 1344274692

windowThreadID: 4332

windowText: u'CPU-Z TXT
Report\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\r\n\r\nBinaries\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\r\n\r\nCPU-Z
version\t\t\t1.72.0\r\n\r\nProcessors\r\n------------------------------'
(truncated)

displayText: u'Agent Voltage Offset 0 mV\nThread
dumps-------------------------------------------------------------------------CPU
Thread 0APIC ID 0Topology Processor ID 0, Core ID 0, Thread ID 0Type
01020205hMax CPUID level 0000000DhMax CPUID ext. level 80000008hCa'
(truncated)

IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x8fb3610 at 5c2acb0>

IAccessibleChildID: 0

IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=1048978, objectID=-4, childID=0

IAccessible accName: None

IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT

IAccessible accState: STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE,
STATE_SYSTEM_VALID (1048580)

IAccessible accDescription: None

IAccessible accValue: u'CPU-Z TXT
Report\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\r\n\r\nBinaries\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\r\n\r\nCPU-Z
version\t\t\t1.72.0\r\n\r\nProcessors\r\n------------------------------'
(truncated)

 



It just sort of stops when its been reading. I normally just let it rattle
on till I hear somthing I recognise then intercept it.
Strangely cursoring through is fine, and restarting the read works as well,
though it can stop again.

My guess is that its line length or tabs etc in the file, but its master
branch and on windows 7 64 bit and the notepad is just ordinary notepad.

Brian
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.


Re: questions about palemoon:

 

hi every one.
thanks so much for helping me.

are all of firefox based browsers inaccessible like palemoon?
did you try waterfox, cyberfox cmonkey or any other firefox and gecko
based browsers?
i am waiting for the answer from anyone who tested these browsers.
because i dont want to cause problem for you to need reinstall your
windows again!
God bless you all and i never forget your kindness.

On 4/3/17, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:
I gathered that. So, it's like firefox?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: April-02-17 1:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] questions about palemoon:

Arlene,


It's a browser. Actually, it's a lighter version of Firefox, where the
"lighter" was obtained by stripping Firefox of all accessibility features...
Nice, I'd say...

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 02/04/2017 21:08, Arlene ha scritto:
Hi, What is Palemoon? What is it used for?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mallard
Sent: April-02-17 9:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] questions about palemoon:

Hello all,


PaleMoon is not accessible, because they simply stripped it of all
accessibility functions to make it lighter...


Thanks devs, that's definitely the way to go to make inclusive
programmes (sarcastic grin).


Ciao,

Ollie





Il 31/03/2017 23:54, Gene New Zealand ha scritto:
Hi


I downloaded a copy of it this morning. it was not usable by NVDA.
Because it was not accessible i then uninstalled it from my pc on
windows 10. When the computer rebooted actually it would only go as
far as the log on screen but no further. it basically when
uninstalled and the computer rebooted crashed the computer i am
using now and i had to reinstall windows all together. I could not
even restore it back to a earlier version or even reset it.


I have only got it back on line this mornig and in the process of
putting some programs on it.


DO NOT ToUCh AT ALL.


I do not know what it done but my wife had to reload windows all
together.



Gene nz



On 1/04/2017 12:55 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hello every one.
i heard about palemoon in some websites and wish to know about it.
is it completely accessible for nvda users like firefox?
whats the difference between palemoon and firefox in terms of
security, customizability, accessibility, Good performance without
crash or hang and also speed?
i waite for your help specially expert users or even developers of
nvda.
God bless you all, i pray for you and request divine infinite mercy for
you.











--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Looking for a function similar to the jaws text analyzer

Quentin Christensen
 

There are some grammar checking tools available like ProWritingAid, which go above what Word will give you, although some things like that unmatched parenthesis or quotes may still not be picked up.

If anyone is interested, it could make a useful add-on though.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...> wrote:
Hi Domingos,

You have an excellent point there. I am pasting the text about the text analyzer
from the freedomscientific website.
Source:
http://doccenter.freedomscientific.com/doccenter/doccenter/rs25c51746a0cc/2012-0
6-20_textformatting/02_textformatting.htm

Text Analyzer
When editing a document using speech only, inconsistencies such as unmatched
parentheses, unintentional format changes, extra whitespace, and stray or
unspaced punctuation can often be missed. The Text Analyzer feature is a tool
that notifies you of these errors in your document by using a spoken message or
WAV file. You can configure JAWS to announce discrepancies by count, by
description, or by sound while proofreading the document by line, sentence,
paragraph, or Say All command. Braille users will benefit from this since a
sound can be emitted before the user has time to read the entire line looking
for errors.
Text Analyzer Modes
The Text Analyzer has the following four modes which you can get to by pressing
INSERT+V. Type the word "text analyzer" in the search edit box.
. Indicate with sound - JAWS will play an audible sound when the cursor moves to
a line where an inconsistency is found. This works when scrolling up and down
through text or when using SayAll mode.
. Speak count - JAWS will speak the number of inconsistencies found on each
line.
. Describe inconsistencies - JAWS will announce the type and location of any
inconsistencies found on each line of the document. This is the most descriptive
of the different Text Analyzer modes.
. Off - Text Analyzer is off and no inconsistency information will be spoken.
NOTE: You can also press ALT+WINDOWS KEY+I at any time to have Text Analyzer
move the cursor to the next inconsistency. This can be done even when Text
Analyzer is turned off, and is an easy to quickly find potential errors in your
document.
Pranav







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Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

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Re: NVDA and powerpoint?

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Joanne,

When you create a blank presentation in PowerPoint, you are given a title slide which has two objects, a "title" and a "subtitle".  Press TAB to move between these.  Press ENTER to go into one to edit it.  Type the text you want and press ESCAPE - don't press ENTER or you will add a new line (unless you want to split it over several lines of course).

To add a new slide, press CONTROL+M.  The new slide will be added after the current one and by default will have a similar layout, a heading and body.  The heading is up the top of the slide and the body starts a line or so below that.  Be careful when you have the objects themselves selected, as pressing the arrow keys will move the objects on your slide.

To insert a picture, press ALT+N then P for a local picture you have on your computer, or ALT+N then F to find a picture online.  Press TAB until you get to the bing edit search box.  Type your search and press enter.  Press TAB until you get past the "clear filters" link (the items before that may help you narrow down the options, eg by size or type) and on to the first item probably named with lots of numbers.  That is the first result.  Press the right arrow to move forward through the results (unfortunately, they're not described) and press ENTER to select any images (you can select more than one).  Press TAB to move to the "insert" button and enter to activate it and insert the picture into your slide.

The picture will likely cover everything so press the applications key to bring up the context menu and select size and position.  TAB through the options and type in a height and / or width.  Further down that pane the position options can be used to set the correct place on the slide.

Good luck and let us know how you go.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Joanne Michelle Stark <Suzannegirl25@...> wrote:
Greetings,
Has anyone had experience with using NVDA and Microsoft powerpoint 2016 ? I need to know how to create placeholders, how to put slides together into a cohesive, understandable presentation, and where to find suitable pictures for this presentation (although that last point is not directly related to powerpoint itself, copying and pasting images in just the right spot will be useful to learn). I have not yet written the report on which the presentation will be based; still trying to gather sources. Gah, source-hunting. grrr. Anyway, any help offered in this area of technology that has always scared me just a bit is welcome. Better late than never to tackle Powerpoint from a screen-reader user's perspective. Must get back to researching my project after dinner. Thanks again for your assistance.





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Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
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Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: MsExcel accessibility functions

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Simon,

This is a good idea.  At this stage, I don't have a direct keystroke for you.  The two options I can think of, are:

If you want to read formulas in a number of cells, press CONTROL+` (CONTROL+grav), which toggles between displaying cell values, and displaying cell formulas.  While it doesn't announce anything when you press it (I did just file an issue to have it read out the cell again - https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7043) you could then read the current line with NVDA+up arrow (laptop: NVDA+l) to read.  This doesn't go into edit mode.

Alternatively, you could press F2 to go into edit mode, which reads the formula, you can then press ESCAPE to ensure you don't save any changes you accidentally make to the formula.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 6:36 AM, Simon Gratin <simon.gratin@...> wrote:

Hi, a very useful function on Jaws is, while operating Excel spreadsheets:

 

1.       beeing able to check the formula in the active cell with the voice without editing it. Practically, one uses the « ins+F2 » shortcut to get Jaws reading it.

2.             Being able to get the color information of the background or the text in any active cell. «With Jaws, the « ins+F5 » shortcut gives the background info color, whereas the « ins+f » shortcut gives the font color.

 

 

Would be nice if NVDA entails these features.

Best regards and sorry my mistakes (I’m a French speaking guy !




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Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Looking for a function similar to the jaws text analyzer

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Domingos,

You have an excellent point there. I am pasting the text about the text analyzer
from the freedomscientific website.
Source:
http://doccenter.freedomscientific.com/doccenter/doccenter/rs25c51746a0cc/2012-0
6-20_textformatting/02_textformatting.htm
Text Analyzer
When editing a document using speech only, inconsistencies such as unmatched
parentheses, unintentional format changes, extra whitespace, and stray or
unspaced punctuation can often be missed. The Text Analyzer feature is a tool
that notifies you of these errors in your document by using a spoken message or
WAV file. You can configure JAWS to announce discrepancies by count, by
description, or by sound while proofreading the document by line, sentence,
paragraph, or Say All command. Braille users will benefit from this since a
sound can be emitted before the user has time to read the entire line looking
for errors.
Text Analyzer Modes
The Text Analyzer has the following four modes which you can get to by pressing
INSERT+V. Type the word "text analyzer" in the search edit box.
. Indicate with sound - JAWS will play an audible sound when the cursor moves to
a line where an inconsistency is found. This works when scrolling up and down
through text or when using SayAll mode.
. Speak count - JAWS will speak the number of inconsistencies found on each
line.
. Describe inconsistencies - JAWS will announce the type and location of any
inconsistencies found on each line of the document. This is the most descriptive
of the different Text Analyzer modes.
. Off - Text Analyzer is off and no inconsistency information will be spoken.
NOTE: You can also press ALT+WINDOWS KEY+I at any time to have Text Analyzer
move the cursor to the next inconsistency. This can be done even when Text
Analyzer is turned off, and is an easy to quickly find potential errors in your
document.
Pranav


Re: what's the e mail address to subscribe this group?

 

On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 04:17 pm, Leo Bado wrote:
requested action not taken, mailbox unavailable, failure sending message, try again later.

This sounds like things could be bouncing from the groups.io end, but I'm not sure.  I did drop a quick message to support just so they can check to see if something might be "burping" on the groups.io end.

The nature of that message sounds, to me, like the message was sent but is being bounced back from groups.io rather than failing at the sending end.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: what's the e mail address to subscribe this group?

Gene
 

I'm not sure what setting you may have in mind.  Are you sure the new address is working properly?  Have you tried sending a message to it from the old address?  Is it received?  Can you send a message, also, from the new address to the current address you are using?  Before proceeding further, we should be sure that the new address is working.  I believe I can, as moderator, change your address if necessary but to do so without knowing if it works may mean that you would stop receiving mail from the list and perhaps get a bouncing message. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Leo Bado
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what's the e mail address to subscribe this group?

I'm trying to completely change my e mail adress for this list,

however whenever I try to send the suscription message using my other e mail address this is the message I get:


requested action not taken, mailbox unavailable, failure sending message, try again later.



I'm using thunderbird and this is happening  no matter what e mail address I had tryed to send a message, but weirdly, it's just happening for the last two hours and I cant say for sure if may be I changed some setting.


it's driving me crazy.



El 2/4/2017 a las 16:48, Gene escribió:
Are you trying to have two addresses or completely change to the new address?  Also, does the message specifically say what failed?  If you get the message again, please paste it into a reply.  When asking about problems, if error messages are given, it is often important to know precisely what was said. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Leo Bado
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what's the e mail address to subscribe this group?

yes, but I dont know why when using my other mail adress something failes and thunderbird says that I need to check  the mail adreess that I'm trying to  send the suscription message.




El 2/4/2017 a las 16:36, Gene escribió:
Are you trying to change your e-mail address? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Leo Bado
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] what's the e mail address to subscribe this group?

hey folks,

I've been trying to subscribe to this group using e mail address
provided at the end of each message, however it failes every time I'm
going to send the request,

so, what's the suscription adress?

thanks.








Re: what's the e mail address to subscribe this group?

Leo Bado <leobado1970@...>
 

I'm trying to completely change my e mail adress for this list,

however whenever I try to send the suscription message using my other e mail address this is the message I get:


requested action not taken, mailbox unavailable, failure sending message, try again later.



I'm using thunderbird and this is happening  no matter what e mail address I had tryed to send a message, but weirdly, it's just happening for the last two hours and I cant say for sure if may be I changed some setting.


it's driving me crazy.



El 2/4/2017 a las 16:48, Gene escribió:
Are you trying to have two addresses or completely change to the new address?  Also, does the message specifically say what failed?  If you get the message again, please paste it into a reply.  When asking about problems, if error messages are given, it is often important to know precisely what was said. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Leo Bado
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what's the e mail address to subscribe this group?

yes, but I dont know why when using my other mail adress something failes and thunderbird says that I need to check  the mail adreess that I'm trying to  send the suscription message.




El 2/4/2017 a las 16:36, Gene escribió:
Are you trying to change your e-mail address? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Leo Bado
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] what's the e mail address to subscribe this group?

hey folks,

I've been trying to subscribe to this group using e mail address
provided at the end of each message, however it failes every time I'm
going to send the request,

so, what's the suscription adress?

thanks.








Re: NVDA: HELP AND INFORMATION

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Christo,

Everyone else has given some great information.  I must admit, firstly, I haven't looked much at Access lately.  What I would say though, is if you find any issues, we would love to hear about them, as then it will prompt us to look at them and endeavour to get them resolved.  The best place to report issues is on our issue tracker: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues

I am writing official training material for using NVDA.  So far, we have "Basic Training for NVDA", which, despite the name, actually goes from very early concepts, through to fairly advanced use of the screenreader.  As noted elsewhere in this thread, that does including using the ribbon, which is indeed a useful skill to have when working in Microsoft Office.  We also have "Microsoft Word with NVDA" and I am currently working on "Microsoft Excel with PowerPoint".  They are all (well, not Excel yet) available here: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Now, for keystrokes for Office, here are a few links from Microsoft:






Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 10:07 PM, Christo Vorster <christo.vorster@...> wrote:
Hi List

To start with, please allow me to give a little background.

The Institute for the Blind in Worcester (South Africa) changed it's name to Kaleidoscope. Our college, Kaleidoscope Training College, currently has three basic courses, Call Centre NQF Level 3, Marketing NQF Level 4 and End User Computer NQF Level 3. My plea for help and information has to do with the End User Computer training.

As part of this course we are required to train blind, and parcially sighted students, to use MS PowerPoint 2010 and MS Access 2010. I have a few questions.

1. Are the above-mentioned applications in any way useable with NVDA?
2. If compatible with NVDA, are there any shortcuts available?
3. Does anybody know about manuals, aimed at blind users, available for these applications.

A second matter:

We are also required to train these students in the use of Outlook 2010. Would you perhaps be able to provide us with an extensive list of ALT-sequence keys for this program?

I would appreciate it greatly if anybody could assist us in this matter.

Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)







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Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

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Twitter: @NVAccess