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Re: When composing email in gmail web how to delete a receiver?
Gene
When you are in the combo box where you up and down arrow to find
and add more recipients, instead of moving up and down, move to the
left or right. You will move through the addresses you have added.
If you haven't moved yet, move left to move through all addresses.
Once you are on an address, to remove it, press the delete key.
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Gene On 7/31/2022 12:26 AM, William wrote:
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Re: object out of screen - what does it mean?
Brian's Mail list account
Funny you should mention this. Is this on web sites? I've seen it several times, but its hard to duplicate it, so I wondered if it might be a browser issue. It was in Firefox for me, but its hard to debug something that happens randomly.
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From: "Alexandre Alves Toco" <alexandretoco@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2022 2:09 PM Subject: [nvda] object out of screen - what does it mean? Hi friends! |
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Re: Audible app for pc
Monte Single
Hi Stephen,
As this is not a nvda issue, write me of list at;
mrsingle@... and I may be able to help you. From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stephen
Sent: July 30, 2022 10:45 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Audible app for pc
so I have to be online in order to listen to audible books?
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When composing email in gmail web how to delete a receiver?
William
Hello,
When I am composing a new email in gmail web, I add sender by the following ways: 1. after the compose new window is open, nvda focus is on the search field to enter receiver email 2. I enter keywords of the receiver email or name, then I press up or down arrow to look at the suggestion available 3. I press enter to select that particular email as the receiver of the email 4. after pressing enter, nvda will be focused on the empty search field when I can repeat step 2 and 3 to enter extra receivers After doing the above steps, say I have selected 3 receivers, and later I found that I have to delete some of the receiver email address from the current email. Can any one instruct me how can I use nvda to remove some of the receivers? Thank you. |
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Re: Audible app for pc
Stephen
so I have to be online in order to listen to audible books?
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Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)
Gene
However, if I understand what the person is doing, he is not using
the screen-reader as intended. that has not been spoken of by
anyone but me. If I misunderstand what is being done, I'd like to
know.
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My understanding is that the person is reading the text of an article by moving a physical mouse down the screen line by line and causing the screen-reader to speak the text in that manner. Not only is that not the intended use of screen-readers, but it isn't the intended use for sighted people. If you use something in a way not intended, you may have problems. Gene On 7/30/2022 4:30 PM, Thomas N. Chan
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Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)
Thomas N. Chan
Exactly my point. Most of the time screen reader users are still focused on how to let sighted folks see what we are doing. but we don't see how sighted folks see what they are doing. For example, if they put the mouse pointer on top of an icon, it will popup a box aka tooltip, does the screen reader read that popup? we are not focus on, how we get onto the icon and tell them to click on that. We want to focus on where they click on that icon and find out what icon is that. we need to figure out what icon, how to access that icon. then tell them, this is what they did wrong, they should click on, the other icon instead. I don't need to tell them, I move my focus to the right icon and they should do that. how in the first place, how do we know, they move focus the right icon? how do we know that, after they did it wrong or right? Regards, Thomas N. Chan On Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 11:13 PM Russell James <4rjames@...> wrote:
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NVDA Dictionary Files
. . . can they be backed up and can they be edited manually to allow for the rearrangement of the order of entries?
Over time I have put quite a few regex entries into my default dictionary as various questions have come up. Since NVDA's dictionary processor does not stop processing once the first dictionary match is made, but does the replacement then chugs merrily along the rest of the dictionary entries, it is entirely possible for a later dictionary entry to interfere with the results of an earlier substitution in ways one might not initially expect. I would love to be able to strip my dictionary down to a single entry for testing purposes, but not lose all the other stuff I have. If these are stored in a text-based format, it should be simple to copy them and simple to edit whether it's to rearrange order, strip out entries, etc. Since the dictionary manager does not have the ability to rearrange order, nor to turn specific items on/off for processing, I'd like to be able to do that myself when the occasion requires. This is not something the average user would likely be doing often, but I have to believe that there are a number of heavy-duty NVDA testers and NVDA developers (whether core code or add-ons) that read here who have had the same need. If a manual method exists to back up the dictionary files, and to manually edit these so that large numbers of items can be deleted or moved in one fell swoop, please share. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly. ~ Vance Packard |
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Re: Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)
Russell James
Sorry for the delay in my response Fortunately, Thomas seems to understand the value for some users to use what was called mouse tracking! I have called this explore by mouse but it is essentially leveraging the mouse tracking and reading content with the physical mouse. Similar to explore by touch on Android devices... Which was something I learned from window-Eyes and have never stopped doing. I have never used JAWS so have nothing to add there... Unfortunately, this access method has always had multiple issues with NVDA. Especially when the content is located near an image on the right or if the content includes hyperlinks. Of course, if you don't know there is text after a hyperlink you would not know it was not being spoken... Likewise with the text to the left of an image on a web page... As with many things, screen reader users don't all use their tool the same way... Russ On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 9:12 AM Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote: in jaws it is called mouse echo, insert+space, letter e as in echo. then use the following commands and also both jaws and NVDA offer visual highlighting so sighted people can follow along with what you are doing. in jaws it is in settings center I think in visual highlighting. |
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Re: NVDA and Hashtags
On Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 03:35 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Of course I have changed the number announcement to hash, since its always been known as that here in the UK, and other UK screenreaders seem to do the same as well.- Well, you're talking about something entirely different, which is what a given language locality calls individual symbols. I always knew the Pound Sterling sign was said as pound(s) when referring to money, but I didn't know that the number sign (US) was referred to as hash. But even hash is about the symbol, while hashtag is about the symbol and what follows it. In any case, at this point those who may want hashtags announced as hashtags have a regex to do it and step by step instructions for adding same to the dictionary. It's an option one can use, or not. But as dictionaries (as in the real ones with definitions of words) change as the language does, it seems to me that it makes sense for synths to try to keep up with "the prevailing winds" of changes that appear to have become permanent, regardless of what those are. Too often they don't. But when it comes to symbol reading, I'll take "Bang" over "exclamation point," and "tick," over "single quote," just for efficiency's sake. When going character by character through content I prefer the shortest comprehensible identifier for a character, as the process is already tedious enough as is. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly. ~ Vance Packard |
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object out of screen - what does it mean?
Alexandre Alves Toco
Hi friends!
In sansung update, I used object navigation and nvda said: "ok button out of screen". I tried to click it using nvda. But as soon as I do so, the focus goes to desktop. I am curious to understand hwat is an object out of screen. I believe this ok button should be visible for the sighted users. |
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Re: Groups.io will be down for maintenance this evening, starting at 9pm Pacific Time (4AM Saturday July 30, 2022 UTC), for approximately 15 minutes.
#adminnotice
Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
what time would that be in brasilha time? Em sex., 29 de jul. de 2022 às 16:49, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> escreveu: I have no idea if scheduled service interruption notices go out to all members by e-mail or not, and would appreciate being told if they do so I will not repeat a message such as this if it is not necessary. --
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Re: NVDA and Hashtags
Brian's Mail list account
What it says is easy for the user to change, and I have changed it as I said. A similar strangeness surrounds exclamation ! In some languages this is Bang, for no reason I can see other than tradition.
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From: "David Goldfield" <david.goldfield@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2022 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Hashtags While I don't have any new surprises to add I wanted to rule out Acapela just in case some synthesizers make exceptions for the hashtag symbol. I couldn't check in my initial test as the addon wasn't consistently appearing in the list of voices and I needed to reinstall the engine. It also says "number" regardless of placement. David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist [JAWS Certified, 2022]<https://www.freedomscientific.com/Training/Certification> NVDA Certified Expert<https://certification.nvaccess.org/> Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field. Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io<mailto:tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io> www.DavidGoldfield.org<http://www.DavidGoldfield.org> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel Sent: Friday, July 29, 2022 6:09 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Hashtags Thanks to all for the incredibly prompt responses and inclusion of their operating parameters. This may be one that NVDA wants to consider implementing. I could come up with a regular expression that would make hashtags announce as hashtags, but these have become so commonly used and understood that any screen reader these days should understand them contextually and that doesn't require AI. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly. ~ Vance Packard |
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Re: NVDA and Hashtags
Brian's Mail list account
Of course I have changed the number announcement to hash, since its always been known as that here in the UK, and other UK screenreaders seem to do the same as well.
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Its not really pound £ is pound but # is hash. Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2022 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Hashtags Hi, No - tested with eSpeak NG, Windows OneCore, and Nuance Vocalizer and all of them read hashtags as "number text". Cheers, Joseph |
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Re: Groups.io will be down for maintenance this evening, starting at 9pm Pacific Time (4AM Saturday July 30, 2022 UTC), for approximately 15 minutes.
#adminnotice
Brian's Mail list account
Well since I'm rarely, if ever on the web site, then I've never seen anything from them in lists to the emaill addresses, no.
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Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2022 8:49 PM Subject: [nvda] Groups.io will be down for maintenance this evening, starting at 9pm Pacific Time (4AM Saturday July 30, 2022 UTC), for approximately 15 minutes. #adminnotice I have no idea if scheduled service interruption notices go out to all members by e-mail or not, and would appreciate being told if they do so I will not repeat a message such as this if it is not necessary. A banner message reading, " Note: groups.io will be down for maintenance this evening, starting at 9pm Pacific Time (4AM Saturday July 30, 2022 UTC), for approximately 15 minutes, " has been posted on the web interface starting a few hours ago. Even though that outage is going to be short, I thought the membership should know about it. I would imagine messages sent during a scheduled outage will bounce back to the sender. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 *The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.* ~ Vance Packard |
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Re: In-Process is out - and NVDA 2022.3 Beta 1
Brian's Mail list account
I do think, though that this and some of the other add ons still have code marked assoon not to be supported when the next big update to Python happens. Its OK just now, but I imagine a lot of add on authors will need to keep an eye out for this.
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Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Cyrille via groups.io" <cyrille.bougot2@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2022 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process is out - and NVDA 2022.3 Beta 1 Hi Brian and all The issue with Sound Theme is gone thanks to you reporting the issue, first on the mailing-list and then on GitHub. This demonstrate the usefulness to test alpha/beta versions and report problems which may appear. Cheers, Cyrille On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 11:38 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote: On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 11:38 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
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Re: Back on This List
Rosemarie Chavarria
Yes, the NVDA chat still exists. The subscription address to join is chat+subscribe@nvda.groups.io.
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From: Stanley Haupt via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2022 6:55 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Back on This List
I am back on the NVDA list. Does the NVDA Chat list still exhist? If it does, how do I subscribe? It would be nice if the NVDA email lists information would be posted in the NVDA User’s Guide.
Stanley Haupt
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Re: NVDA and Hashtags
On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 10:19 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
The job of actually announcing text in certain ways is really up to speech engines and humans to decide - screen readers can influence parts of that process, but it is really up to people to decide what to do with whatever they heard/read/saw.- Joseph, There is a bit of circular logic at work here (and on my my part, too). If what one hears/reads/sees is not clear, then deciding what to do with it becomes fraught. I will not even attempt to account for formats in languages which I do not speak, nor should I. But the understanding, in several contexts, of the hashtag is really not difficult. Whether the screen reader does it, or the synth does it is really not something that I care about. In fact, since I don't use them it's not particularly relevant to me, personally, at all. But it is relevant to how something that is supposed to present text to a user who can only listen to it works is relevant, and being contextually appropriate is very relevant indeed. There is no way that #MeToo makes more sense as number MeToo than as hashtag MeToo. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly. ~ Vance Packard |
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Re: NVDA and Hashtags
Hi, Not all social media platforms and languages use the same hashtag rules as noted in the regular expression. The common hashtag format (letters, numbers, underscores) works best with Latin character set but doesn't work well with languages such as Chinese. While an argument can be made in that screen readers should have advanced text processing capabilities such as hashtag announcements, I (personally) believe that it is really up to text to speech engines to define rules for these and give users a chance to edit speech dictionary entries. A screen reader is an information processing specialist in that it will consume whatever text information it can find. The job of actually announcing text in certain ways is really up to speech engines and humans to decide - screen readers can influence parts of that process, but it is really up to people to decide what to do with whatever they heard/read/saw. Cheers, Joseph |
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Re: Back on This List
David Goldfield
Hi. The Chat subgroup still exists. To subscribe, send email to
David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field. Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Stanley Haupt via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2022 9:20 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Back on This List
I am back on the NVDA list. Does the NVDA Chat list still exhist? If it does, how do I subscribe? It would be nice if the NVDA email lists information would be posted in the NVDA User’s Guide.
Stanley Haupt |
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