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Re: How do I turn off NVDA on a Windows Tablet?

 

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 06:37 PM, angela wrote:
No
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No, what?  Consider this a moderator's warning, but I do not appreciate single word replies that are non sequiturs.  They help no one.

If using a keyboard, the keyboard shortcut NVDA+Q absolutely is for quit.  And that's what was stated by the post bottom-quoted in your single word reply.

If the user is not using a keyboard (which I suspect), then the instructions from  Mobeen Iqbal in message  , is correct.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: adding or amending an account to the windows 10 calendar

Sam Taylor
 

Yep it syncs everything. I add everything to Windows Calendar now, which means it syncs to iPhone, Google Home, etc.

Whether or not a calendar is selected for syncing may be trial or error, because as you say, you can't tell whether or not it's checked.



On 4/02/2021 9:36 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Thanks. I was going right. I’m surprised I can’t select the calendars I can see; I’m assuming it syncs everything? It is a nifty little app. I’ll have a play with all of this later. I think I’m good for now. I’m feeling a bit stupid right now, and tired, it’s been a long work day.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Taylor via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 1:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] adding or amending an account to the windows 10 calendar

 

Hi Sarah,

When I did this, I opened the calendar, and, using Object review, moved the navigator object to the previous object with NVDA+numpad 4, or shift+NVDA+Left Arrow. You'll go past 4 or 5 days, then find the go forward or back a month buttons, followed by search, and eventually settings.

Cheers

Sam

 

On 4/02/2021 5:26 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Well, this is a bit frustrating. I’m trying to follow this article, and I cannot. I have my calendar some how added to the windows 10 calendar app; however, I want to see how it happened. It says to click the settings at the bottom left corner. That’s fine, however I see no settings when I use nvda.

 

I tried screen review, going to the bottom with object navigation and just tabbing with no results. I even tried the alternate key, but all I see there is something about changing the group which I understand perfectly. I have not dealt with the windows calendar at all in my 20 years of using windows. Help?

 

Thanks, and happy Wednesday.


Re: Learning to be efficient with screen review

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yes. Exactly. You look at the screen then interact with the objects within if you have to. I do this all the time with most programs I use now a days. I just did with BCUninstaller a few hours ago. I used both. So what I'm saying makes perfect sense, at least for me.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 3:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review

Also, your last statement makes no sense. You say you must learn screen review first, then interact with each object with object review. That is not true. When you move in screen review, you are not moving by object unless you are using certain object navigation commands that work in both modes to move from object to object. When in screen review, you can move from object to object, then look at the object using screen review commands.
But you say, "I stress a user must learn screen review first, then interact with each element of the screen via object review."

You can often look at the screen using screen review then interact with whatever you are working with wile in screen review. You move to an item, then use the move mouse command or the activate command. Technically, I don't know if those commands are working with the item you are on as an object, but from the user's perspective, you are working with things while in screen review.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 11:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



No, I'm talking about switching to screen review mode if there is only one
object. It for me is much easier because of the way the laptop layout is
designed, and most of the time, at least in the programs I use, screen
review is much better and faster to use than object mode. If you want to see
examples go to my lbry page and watch some of the videos I post, there. You
will hear me using screen review, a lot. You will also hear me switch to
screen review when I start the programs I need, then stay in screen review
for the deration of the video(s) You will also see that arrows do not make
any difference when I am using arrows which is, at least for what I do,
rare. There are also other examples here as well.



I dun no know as I said how to use all the views perfectly, but I can get
around fairly quickly in regard to what I need to do. I stress a user must
learn screen review first, then interact with each element of the screen via
object review.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 9:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



If there is only one object, you don't necessarily have to go into review
mode. You can simply use the review commands, numpad 8 for read current
line, numpad 7 for previous line, numpad 9 for next line, etc. When doing
so in object navigation, you are reviewing the current objject.



Going into screen review doesn't work on web pages because of how browsers
send data to the screen.



Are you talking about using commands such as numpad 8 while in object
navigation or are you talking about actually switching to screen review
mode?



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Sarah k Alawami

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 10:36 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



I agree to a point, however I would learn how to use screen and document
view. There will come a time when you must use them because programs don't
work well in object mode. For example, there is only 1 object but a lot of
stuff on the screen that can be clicked, or using screen review is the only
way to get around the app/website. I know how to use all the views. I prefer
screen review and use it for getting around when I have a recalcitrant
app/website.



-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene

Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 8:44 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



You need to use object navigation. Screen review is much more limited in
Windows 10 for technical reasons someone else will have to explain. When
you use NVDA key b, you are actually reading all the objects available to
the program.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Deborah Armstrong

Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 7:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review





I have found the NVDA screen review inconsistent and I am trying to figure
out why and how to get around the problem.



Try this experiment:

1. Type Windows with R to issue the Run Command 2. Type an invalid drive
letter say M: or I: and press enter.

An Error message will appear.

3. Use Insert numpad 1 or Insert Numpad 7 to switch to screen review (you do
not want to be in object review).

4. Use the 8 and 9 numpad keys to read the error message.

This works fine.



Now press Windows I to go to settings.

1. Arrow down and right to Update and Security.

2. Use Insert-B to read the entire screen. That works..

3. But now try these review mode commands to review the screen.

Insert 1 or 7 to make sure you are in Screen review mode

7 8 and 9 on the numeric keypad to read the top, current and following lines
and keep pressing 9.

You will only hear the word "Bottom".

They do not work. You cannot read the Windows update screen in settings
using screen review.

You can explore your computer with object review, but I can't figure out how
to read that screen, slowly at my own pace with the screen review mode.



Why is this? When focus cannot go to all areas of a screen, how can I read
what's there? Or even if focus can go there, how can I select and copy with

NVDA-F9 and F10 or read it slower?


Re: Learning to be efficient with screen review

Sarah k Alawami
 

That's why I said document view on a website, not screen review. I believe there is a screen review as well on the website side of things. I must look when I'm not working. Yes, you can go from object to object. I do not, I do use document view to explore though. So, it behooves the user to be Perficient at both, starting with screen review/document review, then object review. It to me makes sense work flow wise.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 2:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review

That is not necessarily true and is an over generalization. A user doesn't have to learn screen review first. It is easier to understand and learn screen review first and a lot of people know how to use it from using other screen-readers that have that feature. There are times when you can see something with screen review you can't see in object review. there are times you can see something in object review you can't in screen review. If the user is advanced to the point where he/she needs access in ways many less advanced users do, they should learn both for good access.

But you are making a certain statement that is not true. You can't use screen review on web pages. If you think you are, then you are using object review and you think you are using screen review.

When you are using screen review, you can still move from object to object as though you were in objecct review. I don't use the laptop layout, but if you use the commands NVDA key numpad 4 or NVDA numpad 6, those move you from object to object regardless of whether you are in screen review or object review.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 11:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



No, I'm talking about switching to screen review mode if there is only one
object. It for me is much easier because of the way the laptop layout is
designed, and most of the time, at least in the programs I use, screen
review is much better and faster to use than object mode. If you want to see
examples go to my lbry page and watch some of the videos I post, there. You
will hear me using screen review, a lot. You will also hear me switch to
screen review when I start the programs I need, then stay in screen review
for the deration of the video(s) You will also see that arrows do not make
any difference when I am using arrows which is, at least for what I do,
rare. There are also other examples here as well.



I dun no know as I said how to use all the views perfectly, but I can get
around fairly quickly in regard to what I need to do. I stress a user must
learn screen review first, then interact with each element of the screen via
object review.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 9:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



If there is only one object, you don't necessarily have to go into review
mode. You can simply use the review commands, numpad 8 for read current
line, numpad 7 for previous line, numpad 9 for next line, etc. When doing
so in object navigation, you are reviewing the current objject.



Going into screen review doesn't work on web pages because of how browsers
send data to the screen.



Are you talking about using commands such as numpad 8 while in object
navigation or are you talking about actually switching to screen review
mode?



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Sarah k Alawami

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 10:36 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



I agree to a point, however I would learn how to use screen and document
view. There will come a time when you must use them because programs don't
work well in object mode. For example, there is only 1 object but a lot of
stuff on the screen that can be clicked, or using screen review is the only
way to get around the app/website. I know how to use all the views. I prefer
screen review and use it for getting around when I have a recalcitrant
app/website.



-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene

Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 8:44 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



You need to use object navigation. Screen review is much more limited in
Windows 10 for technical reasons someone else will have to explain. When
you use NVDA key b, you are actually reading all the objects available to
the program.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Deborah Armstrong

Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 7:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review





I have found the NVDA screen review inconsistent and I am trying to figure
out why and how to get around the problem.



Try this experiment:

1. Type Windows with R to issue the Run Command 2. Type an invalid drive
letter say M: or I: and press enter.

An Error message will appear.

3. Use Insert numpad 1 or Insert Numpad 7 to switch to screen review (you do
not want to be in object review).

4. Use the 8 and 9 numpad keys to read the error message.

This works fine.



Now press Windows I to go to settings.

1. Arrow down and right to Update and Security.

2. Use Insert-B to read the entire screen. That works..

3. But now try these review mode commands to review the screen.

Insert 1 or 7 to make sure you are in Screen review mode

7 8 and 9 on the numeric keypad to read the top, current and following lines
and keep pressing 9.

You will only hear the word "Bottom".

They do not work. You cannot read the Windows update screen in settings
using screen review.

You can explore your computer with object review, but I can't figure out how
to read that screen, slowly at my own pace with the screen review mode.



Why is this? When focus cannot go to all areas of a screen, how can I read
what's there? Or even if focus can go there, how can I select and copy with

NVDA-F9 and F10 or read it slower?


Re: How do I turn off NVDA on a Windows Tablet?

angela <galwaylassie1@...>
 

No


On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 23:35, hurrikennyandopo ...
<hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi


the shortcut is the nvda key + the letter Q if using a keyboard.


Gene nz


On 4/02/2021 11:40 am, angela via groups.io wrote:
I have a linx windows 10 tablet. The problem is I cannot turn NVDA off. Can someone help me please?
 


Re: adding or amending an account to the windows 10 calendar

Sarah k Alawami
 

Thanks. I was going right. I’m surprised I can’t select the calendars I can see; I’m assuming it syncs everything? It is a nifty little app. I’ll have a play with all of this later. I think I’m good for now. I’m feeling a bit stupid right now, and tired, it’s been a long work day.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Taylor via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 1:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] adding or amending an account to the windows 10 calendar

 

Hi Sarah,

When I did this, I opened the calendar, and, using Object review, moved the navigator object to the previous object with NVDA+numpad 4, or shift+NVDA+Left Arrow. You'll go past 4 or 5 days, then find the go forward or back a month buttons, followed by search, and eventually settings.

Cheers

Sam

 

On 4/02/2021 5:26 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Well, this is a bit frustrating. I’m trying to follow this article, and I cannot. I have my calendar some how added to the windows 10 calendar app; however, I want to see how it happened. It says to click the settings at the bottom left corner. That’s fine, however I see no settings when I use nvda.

 

I tried screen review, going to the bottom with object navigation and just tabbing with no results. I even tried the alternate key, but all I see there is something about changing the group which I understand perfectly. I have not dealt with the windows calendar at all in my 20 years of using windows. Help?

 

Thanks, and happy Wednesday.


Re: How do I turn off NVDA on a Windows Tablet?

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


the shortcut is the nvda key + the letter Q if using a keyboard.


Gene nz


On 4/02/2021 11:40 am, angela via groups.io wrote:
I have a linx windows 10 tablet. The problem is I cannot turn NVDA off. Can someone help me please?
 


Re: How do I turn off NVDA on a Windows Tablet?

Mobeen Iqbal
 

Hi.

If you double tap on  the NVDA icon near the clock, a menu should come up. Double tap on preferences, then double tap on settings. Make sure the box to start NVDA and use NVDA on log on screen are unticked. Double tapping on them should untick them. Then double tap on OK.

Finally, double tap NVDA and double tap on exit. Then double tap on OK.
I hope that helps?

Cheers,

Mo.

On 03/02/2021 23:15, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hi.

Does your tablet have a physical keyboard?

If so, press NVDA plus q followed by enter to quit NVDA.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of angela via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 5:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How do I turn off NVDA on a Windows Tablet?

 

I have a linx windows 10 tablet. The problem is I cannot turn NVDA off. Can someone help me please?

 


Re: How do I turn off NVDA on a Windows Tablet?

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.

Does your tablet have a physical keyboard?

If so, press NVDA plus q followed by enter to quit NVDA.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of angela via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 5:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How do I turn off NVDA on a Windows Tablet?

 

I have a linx windows 10 tablet. The problem is I cannot turn NVDA off. Can someone help me please?

 


Re: Learning to be efficient with screen review

Gene
 

Also, your last statement makes no sense. You say you must learn screen review first, then interact with each object with object review. That is not true. When you move in screen review, you are not moving by object unless you are using certain object navigation commands that work in both modes to move from object to object. When in screen review, you can move from object to object, then look at the object using screen review commands. But you say, "I stress a user must learn screen review first, then interact with each element of the screen via object review."

You can often look at the screen using screen review then interact with whatever you are working with wile in screen review. You move to an item, then use the move mouse command or the activate command. Technically, I don't know if those commands are working with the item you are on as an object, but from the user's perspective, you are working with things while in screen review.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 11:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



No, I'm talking about switching to screen review mode if there is only one object. It for me is much easier because of the way the laptop layout is designed, and most of the time, at least in the programs I use, screen review is much better and faster to use than object mode. If you want to see examples go to my lbry page and watch some of the videos I post, there. You will hear me using screen review, a lot. You will also hear me switch to screen review when I start the programs I need, then stay in screen review for the deration of the video(s) You will also see that arrows do not make any difference when I am using arrows which is, at least for what I do, rare. There are also other examples here as well.



I dun no know as I said how to use all the views perfectly, but I can get around fairly quickly in regard to what I need to do. I stress a user must learn screen review first, then interact with each element of the screen via object review.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 9:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



If there is only one object, you don't necessarily have to go into review mode. You can simply use the review commands, numpad 8 for read current line, numpad 7 for previous line, numpad 9 for next line, etc. When doing so in object navigation, you are reviewing the current objject.



Going into screen review doesn't work on web pages because of how browsers send data to the screen.



Are you talking about using commands such as numpad 8 while in object navigation or are you talking about actually switching to screen review mode?



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Sarah k Alawami

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 10:36 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



I agree to a point, however I would learn how to use screen and document view. There will come a time when you must use them because programs don't work well in object mode. For example, there is only 1 object but a lot of stuff on the screen that can be clicked, or using screen review is the only way to get around the app/website. I know how to use all the views. I prefer screen review and use it for getting around when I have a recalcitrant app/website.



-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene

Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 8:44 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



You need to use object navigation. Screen review is much more limited in Windows 10 for technical reasons someone else will have to explain. When you use NVDA key b, you are actually reading all the objects available to the program.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Deborah Armstrong

Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 7:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review





I have found the NVDA screen review inconsistent and I am trying to figure out why and how to get around the problem.



Try this experiment:

1. Type Windows with R to issue the Run Command 2. Type an invalid drive letter say M: or I: and press enter.

An Error message will appear.

3. Use Insert numpad 1 or Insert Numpad 7 to switch to screen review (you do not want to be in object review).

4. Use the 8 and 9 numpad keys to read the error message.

This works fine.



Now press Windows I to go to settings.

1. Arrow down and right to Update and Security.

2. Use Insert-B to read the entire screen. That works..

3. But now try these review mode commands to review the screen.

Insert 1 or 7 to make sure you are in Screen review mode

7 8 and 9 on the numeric keypad to read the top, current and following lines and keep pressing 9.

You will only hear the word "Bottom".

They do not work. You cannot read the Windows update screen in settings using screen review.

You can explore your computer with object review, but I can't figure out how to read that screen, slowly at my own pace with the screen review mode.



Why is this? When focus cannot go to all areas of a screen, how can I read what's there? Or even if focus can go there, how can I select and copy with

NVDA-F9 and F10 or read it slower?


How do I turn off NVDA on a Windows Tablet?

angela <galwaylassie1@...>
 

I have a linx windows 10 tablet. The problem is I cannot turn NVDA off. Can someone help me please?
 


Re: Hot key for tablet mode?

 

No, you have to click tablet mode, the good news is you can just get back into action centre and turn it off, there will be a button that says its on I tried it once to see what I got.

At least there should.

If your system is entering tablet mode without warning, you could have a stuck or dirty board its why I use an external board.

Of course down side is when I go away, I will have a lot of trouble learning my laptop board.

Maybe I should take in fact I will try to take my pluggable bluetooth usb board but I havn't practiced on that either.

I mean I could take a full size about with me in the car but hmmm probably won't.

Failing that, see if you can just reboot the system.

On 4/02/2021 7:47 am, Ann Byrne wrote:
My student has accidentally got into tablet mode on her PC.  She doesn't believe she pressed windows-a.  Is there a hotkey to activate tablet mode?  Is there a way to determine whether you are in tablet mode???  Is there a keystroke to get out of tablet mode?

thx,

Ann





Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Louise

You reference the “main NVDA website”, is this https://www.nvaccess.org/ and was it open in Edge when you accidentally opened the User guide? If this is not the correct site, what is the URL of the main NVDA website?

 

Your second statement is confusing as I don’t understand how you opened the user guide in Chrome if you had temporarily uninstalled Chrome.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

From: Louise Pfau
Sent: 03 February 2021 20:29
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

 

Hi.  I accidentally activated the link to the user guide on the main NVDA website when I was looking for something else, and it opened in Edge, which is my default browser.  When I accessed the user guide through the NVDA menus as described, it opened in either Chrome or Internet Explorer after I'd temporarily uninstalled Chrome for testing purposes.  I hope this helps.

Louise

 


Re: Learning to be efficient with screen review

Gene
 

That is not necessarily true and is an over generalization. A user doesn't have to learn screen review first. It is easier to understand and learn screen review first and a lot of people know how to use it from using other screen-readers that have that feature. There are times when you can see something with screen review you can't see in object review. there are times you can see something in object review you can't in screen review. If the user is advanced to the point where he/she needs access in ways many less advanced users do, they should learn both for good access.

But you are making a certain statement that is not true. You can't use screen review on web pages. If you think you are, then you are using object review and you think you are using screen review.

When you are using screen review, you can still move from object to object as though you were in objecct review. I don't use the laptop layout, but if you use the commands NVDA key numpad 4 or NVDA numpad 6, those move you from object to object regardless of whether you are in screen review or object review.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 11:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



No, I'm talking about switching to screen review mode if there is only one object. It for me is much easier because of the way the laptop layout is designed, and most of the time, at least in the programs I use, screen review is much better and faster to use than object mode. If you want to see examples go to my lbry page and watch some of the videos I post, there. You will hear me using screen review, a lot. You will also hear me switch to screen review when I start the programs I need, then stay in screen review for the deration of the video(s) You will also see that arrows do not make any difference when I am using arrows which is, at least for what I do, rare. There are also other examples here as well.



I dun no know as I said how to use all the views perfectly, but I can get around fairly quickly in regard to what I need to do. I stress a user must learn screen review first, then interact with each element of the screen via object review.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 9:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



If there is only one object, you don't necessarily have to go into review mode. You can simply use the review commands, numpad 8 for read current line, numpad 7 for previous line, numpad 9 for next line, etc. When doing so in object navigation, you are reviewing the current objject.



Going into screen review doesn't work on web pages because of how browsers send data to the screen.



Are you talking about using commands such as numpad 8 while in object navigation or are you talking about actually switching to screen review mode?



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Sarah k Alawami

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 10:36 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



I agree to a point, however I would learn how to use screen and document view. There will come a time when you must use them because programs don't work well in object mode. For example, there is only 1 object but a lot of stuff on the screen that can be clicked, or using screen review is the only way to get around the app/website. I know how to use all the views. I prefer screen review and use it for getting around when I have a recalcitrant app/website.



-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene

Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 8:44 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



You need to use object navigation. Screen review is much more limited in Windows 10 for technical reasons someone else will have to explain. When you use NVDA key b, you are actually reading all the objects available to the program.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Deborah Armstrong

Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 7:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review





I have found the NVDA screen review inconsistent and I am trying to figure out why and how to get around the problem.



Try this experiment:

1. Type Windows with R to issue the Run Command 2. Type an invalid drive letter say M: or I: and press enter.

An Error message will appear.

3. Use Insert numpad 1 or Insert Numpad 7 to switch to screen review (you do not want to be in object review).

4. Use the 8 and 9 numpad keys to read the error message.

This works fine.



Now press Windows I to go to settings.

1. Arrow down and right to Update and Security.

2. Use Insert-B to read the entire screen. That works..

3. But now try these review mode commands to review the screen.

Insert 1 or 7 to make sure you are in Screen review mode

7 8 and 9 on the numeric keypad to read the top, current and following lines and keep pressing 9.

You will only hear the word "Bottom".

They do not work. You cannot read the Windows update screen in settings using screen review.

You can explore your computer with object review, but I can't figure out how to read that screen, slowly at my own pace with the screen review mode.



Why is this? When focus cannot go to all areas of a screen, how can I read what's there? Or even if focus can go there, how can I select and copy with

NVDA-F9 and F10 or read it slower?


Re: adding or amending an account to the windows 10 calendar

Sam Taylor
 

Hi Sarah,

When I did this, I opened the calendar, and, using Object review, moved the navigator object to the previous object with NVDA+numpad 4, or shift+NVDA+Left Arrow. You'll go past 4 or 5 days, then find the go forward or back a month buttons, followed by search, and eventually settings.

Cheers

Sam


On 4/02/2021 5:26 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Well, this is a bit frustrating. I’m trying to follow this article, and I cannot. I have my calendar some how added to the windows 10 calendar app; however, I want to see how it happened. It says to click the settings at the bottom left corner. That’s fine, however I see no settings when I use nvda.

 

I tried screen review, going to the bottom with object navigation and just tabbing with no results. I even tried the alternate key, but all I see there is something about changing the group which I understand perfectly. I have not dealt with the windows calendar at all in my 20 years of using windows. Help?

 

Thanks, and happy Wednesday.


Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I accidentally activated the link to the user guide on the main NVDA website when I was looking for something else, and it opened in Edge, which is my default browser.  When I accessed the user guide through the NVDA menus as described, it opened in either Chrome or Internet Explorer after I'd temporarily uninstalled Chrome for testing purposes.  I hope this helps.

Louise


Re: Drag and Drop

Jacob Kruger
 

Nancy, while don't use it too often, the following keystrokes might do the job:

NVDA + numpad divide Moves the mouse pointer to the current navigator object

shift + numpad divide Locks or unlocks the left mouse button


So, hover navigator object over what you want to drag-and-drop, and carry out the above keystrokes, move over to the target point, and do the same?


HTH


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2021-02-03 09:42 PM, Nancy Shackelford wrote:
Is there an N V D A keystroke for this? I'm on this word thing where
in one of the questions you have to drag and drop the correct answer
into the space.
Thanks,
Nance


Drag and Drop

Nancy Shackelford
 

Is there an N V D A keystroke for this? I'm on this word thing where
in one of the questions you have to drag and drop the correct answer
into the space.
Thanks,
Nance

--
Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--


adding or amending an account to the windows 10 calendar

Sarah k Alawami
 

Well, this is a bit frustrating. I’m trying to follow this article, and I cannot. I have my calendar some how added to the windows 10 calendar app; however, I want to see how it happened. It says to click the settings at the bottom left corner. That’s fine, however I see no settings when I use nvda.

 

I tried screen review, going to the bottom with object navigation and just tabbing with no results. I even tried the alternate key, but all I see there is something about changing the group which I understand perfectly. I have not dealt with the windows calendar at all in my 20 years of using windows. Help?

 

Thanks, and happy Wednesday.


Re: Column shifting in large tables

Sarah k Alawami
 

Do you have an example website or what not to show this behavior? Also have you looked at the GitHub page to see if someone put up an issue about. This will not be of much help, but it might help us troubleshoot.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jonathan Milam
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 9:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Column shifting in large tables

 

Hi All,

 

I am seeing an issue with NVDA where, in a table on a website with hundreds if not a thousand rows, after sorting it in a different order the columns shift at random spots in the table and continue shifting throughout the rest of the table.  So in other words, if the column headers are city, country, course number, course name, etc., the information in the columns shifts so that country becomes the header for city, course name becomes course number, etc.  Unfortunately there is no pattern for this behavior, in that the shifting happens at different spots in the table each time I reload it.  Has anyone else seen this, and if so, any ideas on how to fix it?             

 

 

Thanks,

Jonathan

 

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