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Re: NVDA announcing dot every time it encounters a period punctuation

Gene
 

that's good that you corrected the problem.

I'm not sure how you would find the acute symbol. Is there one on an English keyboard? You may have to enter it using the numpad method. I'll let others discuss that question.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: brice Mijares
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 4:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] still having a problem

Gene, I have no Idea how I screwed things up in punctuation. I fired up my

other Lenovo laptop and compared the punctuation settings and one
setting was different. once punctuation was opened, I tabbed over twice
and set it to all and now I don't hear the dot when it comes to a
period. Thanks for the
info. Problem solved. Never di fine the acute symbol. I give up. Don't
want to mess up my settings again. Have a nice weekend.
Windows 10 Pro, 20H2 (64-bit) build 19042.868


Re: problems with a punctuation mark

 

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 06:23 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Which is why you have a temporary dictionary. :)
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Yeah, so I can forget all the effort I've put in, and tricks I've found, over time when "the next generation" of a question comes up again! ;-)

And that's only half in jest.  I have a much smaller default dictionary than I imagine many "daily driver" users of NVDA have, but almost all of it is regex items, many of which I slaved over.  I know darned well I'd forget 'em if I just removed 'em, and if I put them somewhere else I couldn't find 'em as quickly!
 
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Re: problems with a punctuation mark

Luke Davis
 

On Fri, 26 Mar 2021, Steve Nutt wrote:

I was going to mention the Tick.  Why is it pronounced Tick, when it should be Apostrophe or Single Quote? I have changed it in mine, but it’s an odd
default pronunciation.
Many screen readers have traditionally done that. ESpeak, as a voice, always has. I think the old IBM screen reader did as well, and possibly some of the other DOS screen readers.

A tick, is the British/Australian English term for what we in the US call a check mark. How that became the acceptable substitute term for the apostrophe, I have no idea, except that it's shorter, as Brian said. As far as I know, the apostrophe and the checkmark have never really looked alike.

Luke


Re: problems with a punctuation mark

Luke Davis
 

On Fri, 26 Mar 2021, Brian Vogel wrote:

dictionary that's not nearly as whacky as mine has become as a direct result of testing all of these sorts of things and failing to consistently clean up
afterward
Which is why you have a temporary dictionary. :)

But, you can always delete %appdata%\nvda\speechdicts\default.dic
(%appdata%\nvda\default.dic, %appdata%\nvda\default-en.dic, in earlier versions)

Luke


Re: Accessible Alternatives to Microsoft Office

Luke Davis
 

Also, Null-Soft's installer doesn't work well for accessibility, if you're installing in a non-administrative account, and using password entry to authorize it through the UAC.
So if their using that installer, you may not be seeing everything for a number of reasons.

Luke

On Fri, 26 Mar 2021, Gene wrote:

Not having used the program, it sounds as though the installer doesn't show the information to a screen-reader. I've seen installers not show information such as potentially unwanted programs and the method to indicate you don't want them when installing free software. What I'm saying is that you can't assume information is all displayed if most or almost all is by an installer. Usually it all is or that which is needed is but you can't assume.


Re: NVDA announcing dot every time it encounters a period punctuation

brice Mijares
 

I never went into NVDA settings today until Gene gave me a set of directions to do in punctuations. But instead, I fired up a different laptop and compared punctuation settings and found my problem.  Earlier, I turned key describer on thinking I could find the acute symbol and was punching all kind of key combinations and somehow, I screwed something up. All is good again. thanks.

On 3/26/2021 2:59 PM, Jackie wrote:
Yeah--the other thing is--did you perhaps make any kind of dictionary
entry using a period?

On 3/26/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:
I'll get back on this later. This could take me some time. thanks.

On 3/26/2021 2:12 PM, Gene wrote:
I have no idea if this will help.  To make a change such as you are
describing in settings takes a number of steps in a specific dialog
and it seems unlikely that you did this.  But check the following:
Open the NVDA menu with NVDA key n.
Down arrow to preferences and press enter.
up arrow to punctuation/symbol pronunciation and press enter.
Shift tab once.
Type a period.
Then tab once.
Down and up arrow once to make sure the first item is selected. it is
for speaking a period at the end of a sentence.
Tab around to see what the level is.  It should be all.  If it isn't,
set it to all in the combo box.
Tab to add and press the space bar.
Tab back to the list.
Down arrow a lot of times until you get to dot.  You  will hear a
semicolon spoken but disregard that.  You are listening for dot as you
down arrow.  it may be something like 16 times.
Once there, tab to the level combo box.
The default is most.  If it isn't set to most, set it in the combo box
Tab to add and press the space bar. Tab to ok and press the space bar
to close the dialog and save the settings.

If the levels are already set as I described, let us know.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: brice Mijares
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 3:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] still having a problem

I have it set to none and I am still hearing dot every time NVDA comes
across a period. Perplexing.

On 3/26/2021 1:47 PM, Jackie wrote:
NVDA + p toggles punctuation between none, some, most, & all. Sounds
as though you've got it set to all. Having said that, though,
sometimes if the words are together as in you.I'll, then you'll still
hear period spoken as a dot.

On 3/26/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:
When I am reading email, I am hearing dot everytime NVDA comes
accross a
period. How do I stop this? Thank you.
















Re: NVDA announcing dot every time it encounters a period punctuation

Jackie
 

Yeah--the other thing is--did you perhaps make any kind of dictionary
entry using a period?

On 3/26/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:
I'll get back on this later. This could take me some time. thanks.

On 3/26/2021 2:12 PM, Gene wrote:
I have no idea if this will help.  To make a change such as you are
describing in settings takes a number of steps in a specific dialog
and it seems unlikely that you did this.  But check the following:
Open the NVDA menu with NVDA key n.
Down arrow to preferences and press enter.
up arrow to punctuation/symbol pronunciation and press enter.
Shift tab once.
Type a period.
Then tab once.
Down and up arrow once to make sure the first item is selected. it is
for speaking a period at the end of a sentence.
Tab around to see what the level is.  It should be all.  If it isn't,
set it to all in the combo box.
Tab to add and press the space bar.
Tab back to the list.
Down arrow a lot of times until you get to dot.  You  will hear a
semicolon spoken but disregard that.  You are listening for dot as you
down arrow.  it may be something like 16 times.
Once there, tab to the level combo box.
The default is most.  If it isn't set to most, set it in the combo box
Tab to add and press the space bar. Tab to ok and press the space bar
to close the dialog and save the settings.

If the levels are already set as I described, let us know.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: brice Mijares
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 3:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] still having a problem

I have it set to none and I am still hearing dot every time NVDA comes
across a period. Perplexing.

On 3/26/2021 1:47 PM, Jackie wrote:
NVDA + p toggles punctuation between none, some, most, & all. Sounds
as though you've got it set to all. Having said that, though,
sometimes if the words are together as in you.I'll, then you'll still
hear period spoken as a dot.

On 3/26/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:
When I am reading email, I am hearing dot everytime NVDA comes
accross a
period. How do I stop this? Thank you.

















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Re: NVDA announcing dot every time it encounters a period punctuation

brice Mijares
 

Gene, I have no Idea how I screwed things up in punctuation. I fired up my

other Lenovo laptop and compared the punctuation  settings and one setting was different. once punctuation was opened, I tabbed over twice and set it to all and now I don't hear the dot when it comes to a period. Thanks for the
info. Problem solved. Never di fine the acute symbol. I give up. Don't want to mess up my settings again. Have a nice weekend.
Windows 10 Pro, 20H2 (64-bit) build 19042.868


Re: Information that's essential when asking about suspected NVDA issues . . .

 

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 04:04 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:
I don’t think that the dialog says the overall windows version
-
It does, but in pieces, at least for Windows 10.  The initial line says just Windows, but the line we were discussing before, that comes after the copyright line, says, "Windows 10," followed by the edition.

Like I said previously, if Microsoft had a lick of sense the initial announcement would say "Windows 10 Pro, Version {version}, Build {build}," and, ideally and even though it's very seldom anything but 64-bit, I'd have it say either 32-bit or 64-bit after the previously mentioned information.
 
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Re: NVDA announcing dot every time it encounters a period punctuation

brice Mijares
 

I'll get back on this later. This could take me some time. thanks.

On 3/26/2021 2:12 PM, Gene wrote:
I have no idea if this will help.  To make a change such as you are describing in settings takes a number of steps in a specific dialog and it seems unlikely that you did this.  But check the following:
Open the NVDA menu with NVDA key n.
Down arrow to preferences and press enter.
up arrow to punctuation/symbol pronunciation and press enter.
Shift tab once.
Type a period.
Then tab once.
Down and up arrow once to make sure the first item is selected. it is for speaking a period at the end of a sentence.
Tab around to see what the level is.  It should be all.  If it isn't, set it to all in the combo box.
Tab to add and press the space bar.
Tab back to the list.
Down arrow a lot of times until you get to dot.  You  will hear a semicolon spoken but disregard that.  You are listening for dot as you down arrow.  it may be something like 16 times.
Once there, tab to the level combo box.
The default is most.  If it isn't set to most, set it in the combo box
Tab to add and press the space bar. Tab to ok and press the space bar to close the dialog and save the settings.

If the levels are already set as I described, let us know.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: brice Mijares
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 3:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] still having a problem

I have it set to none and I am still hearing dot every time NVDA comes
across a period. Perplexing.

On 3/26/2021 1:47 PM, Jackie wrote:
NVDA + p toggles punctuation between none, some, most, & all. Sounds
as though you've got it set to all. Having said that, though,
sometimes if the words are together as in you.I'll, then you'll still
hear period spoken as a dot.

On 3/26/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:
When I am reading email, I am hearing dot everytime NVDA comes accross a
period. How do I stop this? Thank you.













locked I created a group for NVDA on clubhouse.

Chris Judd
 

Hi everyone,
On the audio chat service clubhouse, I created a club called NVDA users.
If you are on clubhouse, and would like to join the club, as it is called on that platform, please search for it.
All NVDA users are welcome.
If you have any questions, please feel free to email me off list at:
judd.chris314@...
I will try my best to answer them.
Thanks,
Chris


Re: NVDA announcing dot every time it encounters a period punctuation

Gene
 

I have no idea if this will help. To make a change such as you are describing in settings takes a number of steps in a specific dialog and it seems unlikely that you did this. But check the following:
Open the NVDA menu with NVDA key n.
Down arrow to preferences and press enter.
up arrow to punctuation/symbol pronunciation and press enter.
Shift tab once.
Type a period.
Then tab once.
Down and up arrow once to make sure the first item is selected. it is for speaking a period at the end of a sentence.
Tab around to see what the level is. It should be all. If it isn't, set it to all in the combo box.
Tab to add and press the space bar.
Tab back to the list.
Down arrow a lot of times until you get to dot. You will hear a semicolon spoken but disregard that. You are listening for dot as you down arrow. it may be something like 16 times.
Once there, tab to the level combo box.
The default is most. If it isn't set to most, set it in the combo box
Tab to add and press the space bar. Tab to ok and press the space bar to close the dialog and save the settings.

If the levels are already set as I described, let us know.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: brice Mijares
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 3:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] still having a problem

I have it set to none and I am still hearing dot every time NVDA comes
across a period. Perplexing.

On 3/26/2021 1:47 PM, Jackie wrote:
NVDA + p toggles punctuation between none, some, most, & all. Sounds
as though you've got it set to all. Having said that, though,
sometimes if the words are together as in you.I'll, then you'll still
hear period spoken as a dot.

On 3/26/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:
When I am reading email, I am hearing dot everytime NVDA comes accross a
period. How do I stop this? Thank you.







Re: NVDA announcing dot every time it encounters a period punctuation

brice Mijares
 

yes.

On 3/26/2021 2:00 PM, Gene wrote:
Are you saying you only hear dot and no other punctuation?

Gene
-----Original Message-----

When I am reading email, I am hearing dot everytime NVDA comes accross a
period. How do I stop this? Thank you.>






Re: NVDA announcing dot every time it encounters a period punctuation

Gene
 

Are you saying you only hear dot and no other punctuation?

Gene

-----Original Message-----

When I am reading email, I am hearing dot everytime NVDA comes accross a
period. How do I stop this? Thank you.>






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Re: NVDA announcing dot every time it encounters a period punctuation

brice Mijares
 

I have it set to none and I am still hearing dot every time NVDA comes across a period. Perplexing.

On 3/26/2021 1:47 PM, Jackie wrote:
NVDA + p toggles punctuation between none, some, most, & all. Sounds
as though you've got it set to all. Having said that, though,
sometimes if the words are together as in you.I'll, then you'll still
hear period spoken as a dot.

On 3/26/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:
When I am reading email, I am hearing dot everytime NVDA comes accross a
period. How do I stop this? Thank you.







Re: NVDA Speak Command Keys Function - Turning On/Off

Jackie
 

No disrespect intended, Brice, but something that may be of benefit to
you is to go to NVDA menu, > 'help' (h) > 'quick command keys' (q). It
presents a nice list.

On 3/26/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:
I  solved the key command issue by hitting NVDA key plus number row 4,
Now I'm hearing dot every time I come across a period. Earlier, I was
messing around looking for the acute symbol and this caused my current
problems. Thanks.

On 3/26/2021 1:28 PM, Jackie wrote:
Brice, NVDA+keyboard 2 (not numpad) turns on typed characters. NVDA +
keyboard 4 (not numpad) turns command keys on. That would drive me
absolute bats (but that's a really short drive for me); maybe it'd
help you, though. Both of these are toggles, so pressing them again
would turn them off.

If these are settings you want to save permanently, then go to the
NVDA menu, thence to 'settings', arrow down to 'keyboard', then check
'typed characters' & 'command keys'.

On 3/26/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:
Some how I manage to turn on some setting that echoes every key I hit. .
please help.










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Re: NVDA announcing dot every time it encounters a period punctuation

Jackie
 

NVDA + p toggles punctuation between none, some, most, & all. Sounds
as though you've got it set to all. Having said that, though,
sometimes if the words are together as in you.I'll, then you'll still
hear period spoken as a dot.

On 3/26/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:
When I am reading email, I am hearing dot everytime NVDA comes accross a
period. How do I stop this? Thank you.






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Re: NVDA Speak Command Keys Function - Turning On/Off

brice Mijares
 

I  solved the key command issue by hitting NVDA key plus number row 4, Now I'm hearing dot every time I come across a period. Earlier, I was messing around looking for the acute symbol and this caused my current problems. Thanks.

On 3/26/2021 1:28 PM, Jackie wrote:
Brice, NVDA+keyboard 2 (not numpad) turns on typed characters. NVDA +
keyboard 4 (not numpad) turns command keys on. That would drive me
absolute bats (but that's a really short drive for me); maybe it'd
help you, though. Both of these are toggles, so pressing them again
would turn them off.

If these are settings you want to save permanently, then go to the
NVDA menu, thence to 'settings', arrow down to 'keyboard', then check
'typed characters' & 'command keys'.

On 3/26/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:
Some how I manage to turn on some setting that echoes every key I hit. .
please help.







NVDA announcing dot every time it encounters a period punctuation

brice Mijares
 

When I am reading email, I am hearing dot everytime NVDA comes accross a period. How do I stop this? Thank you.


Re: NVDA Speak Command Keys Function - Turning On/Off

Jackie
 

Brice, NVDA+keyboard 2 (not numpad) turns on typed characters. NVDA +
keyboard 4 (not numpad) turns command keys on. That would drive me
absolute bats (but that's a really short drive for me); maybe it'd
help you, though. Both of these are toggles, so pressing them again
would turn them off.

If these are settings you want to save permanently, then go to the
NVDA menu, thence to 'settings', arrow down to 'keyboard', then check
'typed characters' & 'command keys'.

On 3/26/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:
Some how I manage to turn on some setting that echoes every key I hit. .
please help.






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