The other thing is that it also allows you to set it to update on various update channels, such as beta or release versions.
The issue with 56 is really one of where it focuses by default. It has a work around but is just annoying. I'm no6t certain why it was not back ported, but then programmers can sometimes work in mysterious ways.
There is nothing wrong with 55, and indeed on the older operating systems now not supported by nvda, you can only have 52 or 48 depending on your processor and they seem to work OK as well.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question on a Firefox setting

I know it's in there somewhere probably under Options which may be in Tools but the options has many tabs and one of them has a check box for automatically downloading and installing updates and I have mine unchecked but I can always do updates manually at any time.  When I hear of a version that isn't very screen reader friendly, I just wait a few weeks or maybe a month or so until the next update comes out and then get that.

Hope this helps you locate it but maybe someone else here can give you more exact instructions as to how to get to that little check box.

Roger









On 9/16/2017 12:02 PM, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi list,
After reading the list discussion about Firefox v56, I am wondering how to adjust the setting to avoid automatic updates.

I use NVDA exclusively as my screen reader.
I am using Firefox 55.3, 32bit on a Windows7 machine.

How can I set Firefox to let me know about available updates tut to let me manually decide whether or not to update?

Thanks!
LM

hi! zahra, i have tested it there. it works good. personaly for me it did. i
have not had experiencing the issues with it.



Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 16, 2017, at 13:47, Gene New Zealand
<hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

hi Tony


Is it doing the following in short? it will not read any thing in your
browsers except edge in windows 10? can you get to any of the menus in
fire fox etc? Down where the running applications area is does nvda say
unknown as you arrow through that section? If you use the context menu
will it speak any of the items in it? I am wondering if is that bug?


have a look on my nvda audio tutorials page and go to the section on
trouble shooting and look for the heading that says unknown or pane for
windows 10.


I can not remember either but there is a patch etc but can not remember if
it is on that page as well. it might only be for windows 7 or 8 machines?


have a look at this ticket and read the comments down near the bottom. The
link to this page is
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2807#issuecomment-320149243

The steps that fixed a friends computer is on my nvda audio tutorials
page. but check out the comments first for the ticket.


Gene nz

On 16/09/2017 15:20, Tony Ballou wrote:
Hi,


I don't have that one however, I do have something similar. In firefox,
and a bunch of other apps on my machine, nvda doesn't read the menu bars,
tab controls, or certain textual areas of windows. Really odd, it
happened after installing the most recent set of updates for windows 10
version 1607. Called the Microsoft disability answer desk and its got
them scratching their heads as well

Tony

On 9/12/2017 11:50 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
Hello,

Does anyone else have this problem:

Start the latest stable NVDA, open the latest Firefox, restart NVDA, try
to arrow through the Firefox page. The arrow keys don’t work, just the
tab key.

Thank you,


Brandon Keith Biggs

Virus-free. www.avast.com

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you
are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a
copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out
which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified
individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed
the NVDA expert exam.

hi.
libreoffice is fork of openoffice, but now i believe that libreoffice
is very stable in compare to openoffice!it works very better, the
features are more and in some aspects, there catogory is better to
understand.

if you want to download the last stable version of libreoffice for
32bit windows, here you are the link!

now openoffice and libreoffice dont require java and access briedge to work.

https://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/5.3.6.1/win/x86/LibreOffice_5.3.6.1_Win_x86.msi

On 9/17/17, Howard Traxler <howard@...> wrote:

Hi, I just got here and thanks for letting me in.

Is Open Office and Libra Office the same thing? Some years ago, I tried to

use open office and had no success. Just now I installed Libra Office on my

XP machine and it seems to work ok with JAWS. Having problems with ms
office so was thinking of using Libra Office on my win10 machine with NVDA.

Anyone had experience with that? Thanks.

Howard

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Causes Open Office to stop Responding

I don't think so actually. I know plenty of sighted people using Open
Office and Libra Office with no issues

My feeling on this is that its getting very complicated to hook into
processes that are both part of windows and may also be being used by
applications.Those with long memories will remember display chain drivers

in XP and earlier, where any piece of software that needed access to the
screen output had to hook in through a piece of software loaded at boot
time. The snag often was that some software did not do this well and the
whole thing slowed down or fell over.
If you are screen scraping this video monitoring was often the only way to

get at content for screenreaders. I can well recall that some upper end
graphics cards used by gamers had non standard drivers and the display
chain programs never worked right on them.
I suspect these days especially with ported programs like Open Office that

there are similar issues due to the portability of some of the code to
other operating systems.
Just my thoughts.
Brian
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Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Causes Open Office to stop Responding

Obviously they are funded by microsoft and want you to buy microsoft
office.




On 15/09/2017 9:03 p.m., zahra wrote:

some antivirus consider openoffice libreoffice as trojen.

i mean aa.v antivirus and i read in the website:

www.libreofficeportable.org

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not
just hidden it for you?
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Subject: [nvda] NVDA Causes Open Office to stop Responding


After installing NVDA Open Office stopped responding. I have a Dell
Inspiron running Windows 10. Also, I can no longer find NVDA on my
computer. I donated 15.00 two times and downloaded NVDA. Now it is
gone.

What are the solutions?

Jerry Schoen

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I know it's in there somewhere probably under Options which may be in Tools but the options has many tabs and one of them has a check box for automatically downloading and installing updates and I have mine unchecked but I can always do updates manually at any time. When I hear of a version that isn't very screen reader friendly, I just wait a few weeks or maybe a month or so until the next update comes out and then get that.

Hope this helps you locate it but maybe someone else here can give you more exact instructions as to how to get to that little check box.

Roger









On 9/16/2017 12:02 PM, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi list,
After reading the list discussion about Firefox v56, I am wondering how to adjust the setting to avoid automatic updates.

I use NVDA exclusively as my screen reader.
I am using Firefox 55.3, 32bit on a Windows7 machine.

How can I set Firefox to let me know about available updates tut to let me manually decide whether or not to update?

Thanks!
LM

F2 allows you to edit any field.
Cindy


On September 15, 2017 4:39:03 AM "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"
<bglists@...> wrote:

Not really, its a bit of a mixed up bit of software. As I said previously
trying to make a database and add macros can be basically a pathway to
insanity, but databases built by the sighted can be mostly accessible if
designed correctly, except for editing the entry fields.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] regarding ms access


I've heard of a lot of trouble with microsoft access and data bases over
the years. In fact a student I know had to drop a class bcause of
inaccessibility of access, and they were using jaws, and this was in 2012..
I hope someone else has better news.

On Sep 14, 2017, at 11:15 AM, Ravi Paswan <ravipaswan32@...> wrote:

hello group member I am facing a problime with using a NVDA I am doing the
MS access but NVDA is not supported the MS access program I am try the all
MS office version I have practical in MS access 2007, 2010, 2013, & 2016
but nvda is not working so please tel me how to solve this problem?

hi! zahra, i have tested it there. it works good. personaly for me it did. i
have not had experiencing the issues with it.



Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 16, 2017, at 13:47, Gene New Zealand
<hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

hi Tony


Is it doing the following in short? it will not read any thing in your
browsers except edge in windows 10? can you get to any of the menus in
fire fox etc? Down where the running applications area is does nvda say
unknown as you arrow through that section? If you use the context menu
will it speak any of the items in it? I am wondering if is that bug?


have a look on my nvda audio tutorials page and go to the section on
trouble shooting and look for the heading that says unknown or pane for
windows 10.


I can not remember either but there is a patch etc but can not remember if
it is on that page as well. it might only be for windows 7 or 8 machines?


have a look at this ticket and read the comments down near the bottom. The
link to this page is
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2807#issuecomment-320149243

The steps that fixed a friends computer is on my nvda audio tutorials
page. but check out the comments first for the ticket.


Gene nz

On 16/09/2017 15:20, Tony Ballou wrote:
Hi,


I don't have that one however, I do have something similar. In firefox,
and a bunch of other apps on my machine, nvda doesn't read the menu bars,
tab controls, or certain textual areas of windows. Really odd, it
happened after installing the most recent set of updates for windows 10
version 1607. Called the Microsoft disability answer desk and its got
them scratching their heads as well

Tony

On 9/12/2017 11:50 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
Hello,

Does anyone else have this problem:

Start the latest stable NVDA, open the latest Firefox, restart NVDA, try
to arrow through the Firefox page. The arrow keys don’t work, just the
tab key.

Thank you,


Brandon Keith Biggs

Virus-free. www.avast.com

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you
are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a
copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out
which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified
individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed
the NVDA expert exam.

Hi, I just got here and thanks for letting me in.

Is Open Office and Libra Office the same thing? Some years ago, I tried to

use open office and had no success. Just now I installed Libra Office on my

XP machine and it seems to work ok with JAWS. Having problems with ms
office so was thinking of using Libra Office on my win10 machine with NVDA.

Anyone had experience with that? Thanks.

Howard

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Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 2:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Causes Open Office to stop Responding

I don't think so actually. I know plenty of sighted people using Open
Office and Libra Office with no issues

My feeling on this is that its getting very complicated to hook into
processes that are both part of windows and may also be being used by
applications.Those with long memories will remember display chain drivers

in XP and earlier, where any piece of software that needed access to the
screen output had to hook in through a piece of software loaded at boot
time. The snag often was that some software did not do this well and the
whole thing slowed down or fell over.
If you are screen scraping this video monitoring was often the only way to

get at content for screenreaders. I can well recall that some upper end
graphics cards used by gamers had non standard drivers and the display
chain programs never worked right on them.
I suspect these days especially with ported programs like Open Office that

there are similar issues due to the portability of some of the code to
other operating systems.
Just my thoughts.
Brian
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Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Causes Open Office to stop Responding

Obviously they are funded by microsoft and want you to buy microsoft
office.




On 15/09/2017 9:03 p.m., zahra wrote:

some antivirus consider openoffice libreoffice as trojen.

i mean aa.v antivirus and i read in the website:

www.libreofficeportable.org

On 9/15/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
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not
just hidden it for you?
Brian

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Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:58 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Causes Open Office to stop Responding


After installing NVDA Open Office stopped responding. I have a Dell
Inspiron running Windows 10. Also, I can no longer find NVDA on my
computer. I donated 15.00 two times and downloaded NVDA. Now it is
gone.

What are the solutions?

Jerry Schoen

Sent from Mail for Windows 10



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Thanks Roger and Gene...

Hi Gene,
I'm having some difficulty.
I followed your instructions:

You wrote: In Firefox, open tools with alt t.
Open options with o.
Wait a moment and then tab once even if you don't hear anything.  You will
now be in a list of categories.
Press end.
You are now in advanced.

So far, so good, but...

Then you recommend: Tab once.

At this point, tabbing once lands me on a link labelled help and arrowing
does not result in getting to anything that is spoken.

You had recommended to: Right arrow until you get to updates.
Tab through the items and you will find the one you want.
There is no ok button.  Just set the option and do whatever you want, close
the browser, open another page, follow a book mark, etc.
Gene

What am I missing?
Thanks,
LM

--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 9/16/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nvda] Question on a Firefox setting
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Saturday, September 16, 2017, 12:42 PM


In Firefox, open tools with
alt t.
Open options with
o.
Wait a moment and then tab
once even if you don't
hear anything.  You will now be in a list of
categories.
Press end.
You are now in
advanced.
Tab once.
Right arrow until you get
to updates.
Tab through the items and
you will find the one you
want.
There is no ok button.
Just set the option
and do whatever you want, close the browser, open another
page, follow a book
mark, etc.

Gene

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-----


From: Roger
Stewart
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Question on a Firefox
setting

I know it's in there
somewhere probably under Options which may
be in
Tools but the options has many tabs
and one of them has a check box
for
automatically downloading and
installing updates and I have mine

unchecked but I can always do updates
manually at any time.  When I
hear
of a version that isn't very
screen reader friendly, I just wait a few

weeks or maybe a month or so until the next
update comes out and then

get that.

Hope this helps you locate it but maybe someone
else here
can give you
more exact instructions as to
how to get to that little check
box.

Roger









On 9/16/2017 12:02 PM,
Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io wrote:
> Hi
list,
> After reading the
list discussion about Firefox v56, I am wondering how to
adjust the setting to
avoid automatic updates.
>
> I use NVDA exclusively as my screen
reader.
> I am using Firefox 55.3, 32bit
on a Windows7
machine.
>
> How can I
set Firefox to let me know about available
updates tut to let me manually decide whether or not to
update?
>
>
Thanks!
> LM
>
>

>
>

I don't think so actually. I know plenty of sighted people using Open Office and Libra Office with no issues

My feeling on this is that its getting very complicated to hook into processes that are both part of windows and may also be being used by applications.Those with long memories will remember display chain drivers in XP and earlier, where any piece of software that needed access to the screen output had to hook in through a piece of software loaded at boot time. The snag often was that some software did not do this well and the whole thing slowed down or fell over.
If you are screen scraping this video monitoring was often the only way to get at content for screenreaders. I can well recall that some upper end graphics cards used by gamers had non standard drivers and the display chain programs never worked right on them.
I suspect these days especially with ported programs like Open Office that there are similar issues due to the portability of some of the code to other operating systems.
Just my thoughts.
Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Causes Open Office to stop Responding

Obviously they are funded by microsoft and want you to buy microsoft office.




On 15/09/2017 9:03 p.m., zahra wrote:

some antivirus consider openoffice libreoffice as trojen.

i mean aa.v antivirus and i read in the website:

www.libreofficeportable.org

On 9/15/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
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Never heard of this happening. Are you sure some dodgy anti virus has not
just hidden it for you?
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:58 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Causes Open Office to stop Responding


After installing NVDA Open Office stopped responding. I have a Dell
Inspiron running Windows 10. Also, I can no longer find NVDA on my
computer. I donated 15.00 two times and downloaded NVDA. Now it is gone.

What are the solutions?

Jerry Schoen

Sent from Mail for Windows 10



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I know it's in there somewhere probably under Options which may be in
Tools but the options has many tabs and one of them has a check box for
automatically downloading and installing updates and I have mine
unchecked but I can always do updates manually at any time.  When I hear
of a version that isn't very screen reader friendly, I just wait a few
weeks or maybe a month or so until the next update comes out and then
get that.

Hope this helps you locate it but maybe someone else here can give you
more exact instructions as to how to get to that little check box.

Roger









On 9/16/2017 12:02 PM, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io wrote:
> Hi list,
> After reading the list discussion about Firefox v56, I am wondering how to adjust the setting to avoid automatic updates.
>
> I use NVDA exclusively as my screen reader.
> I am using Firefox 55.3, 32bit on a Windows7 machine.
>
> How can I set Firefox to let me know about available updates tut to let me manually decide whether or not to update?
>
> Thanks!
> LM
>
>
>
>

hi Tony

Is it doing the following in short? it will not read any thing in your browsers except edge in windows  10? can you get to any of the menus in fire fox etc? Down where the running applications area is does nvda say unknown as you arrow through that section? If you use the context menu will it speak any of the items in it? I am wondering if is that bug?

have a look on my nvda audio tutorials page and go to the section on trouble shooting and look for the heading that says unknown or pane  for windows 10.

I can not remember either but there is a patch etc but can not remember if it is on that page as well. it might only be for windows 7 or 8 machines?

have a look at this ticket and read the comments down near the bottom. The link to this page is https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2807#issuecomment-320149243

The steps that fixed a friends computer is on my nvda audio tutorials page. but check out the comments first for the ticket.

Gene nz

On 16/09/2017 15:20, Tony Ballou wrote:

Hi,

I don't have that one however, I do have something similar.  In firefox, and a bunch of other apps on my machine, nvda doesn't read the menu bars, tab controls, or certain textual areas of windows.  Really odd, it happened after installing the most recent set of updates for windows 10 version 1607.  Called the Microsoft disability answer desk and its got them scratching their heads as well

Tony

On 9/12/2017 11:50 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:

Hello,

Does anyone else have this problem:

Start the latest stable NVDA, open the latest Firefox, restart NVDA, try to arrow through the Firefox page. The arrow keys don’t work, just the tab key.

Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs

Virus-free. www.avast.com

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.