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Re: Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

Gene
 

Thanks.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

You may not have permission. I will create the subgroup.

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:02 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
From what I read, this link should be on the main page.  I see no such link.  I don't know if I have permission to create subgroups.  Is this a specific activity that permission must be given for?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

Hi,

Normally, if folks have permission, they can click “create a subgroup” link and it’ll let them create one.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 12:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

 

As it turns out, I still can't find where to create a subgroup.  I followed the link that says subgroups and only saw information about groups I am a member of and groups I can join.  I had previously done a Google search for start subgroup groups.io and read both help results and learned nothing specific about how to do this.  Nor have I found anything on the NVDA main page or the subgroups page that says anything about starting a subgroup.

 

Gene

 

From: Gene

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:45 PM

Subject: Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

 

I've been trying to create a subgroup but I can't see anything related to it in the interface.  Also, I don't see what I recall seeing before such as a link I saw before to see members and their status to help with things like unsubscribing.  I followed the NVDA main link and that's where I looked for these things.  Did something change in the interface?  I never had this kind of problem before.

 

Thanks for any information.

Gene

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Re: Did you all miss me huh?

Andy
 

I got an HP desktop machine from www.walmart.com for $184. it is a refurb, but runs like a top. They had machines from all the top manufacturers on their site. Also, I know that Dell has a link on their site for reburbished units. Many refurbs have never been used. It's just a case of the buyer getting cold feet and changing his mind. Of course, you never know for sure, but at those prices, you can take the gamble.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "The Wolf" <hank.smith966@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Did you all miss me huh?


did u get this from the site directly?


On 8/17/2017 11:54 AM, Lino Morales wrote:
It is. Not bad for a referb. My wife is getting a Del Latitude referb tomorrow.


On 8/17/2017 2:52 PM, Michael Capelle wrote:
glad to see you back, sounds like a awesome system.

-----Original Message----- From: Lino Morales
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 1:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Did you all miss me huh?

Hello kiddies. I'm back split button. I'll give you the sort version of
the story of the PC that sang Taps. Well I was just doing my thing
listening to a stream, doing email, and so on and on. Then I needed to
restart my PC. Well boom! I waited almost an hour. It took me several
days for my wife who has little vision herself that I had a flashing
dash on the screen. We.. I think the motherboard died. This was on June
20th. Fastforward to a week ago. I bought a new HP PC referbished and
certified by MS for $162 US plus the cost of the 1 year warnty. I've got
8 Gb of ram, a 1 TB harddrive. I think it has an I 5 or I 7 processer
which is 3.0 GHZ with WIN 10 Home.

The End.









Re: Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

Nimer Jaber
 

You may not have permission. I will create the subgroup.

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:02 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
From what I read, this link should be on the main page.  I see no such link.  I don't know if I have permission to create subgroups.  Is this a specific activity that permission must be given for?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

Hi,

Normally, if folks have permission, they can click “create a subgroup” link and it’ll let them create one.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 12:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

 

As it turns out, I still can't find where to create a subgroup.  I followed the link that says subgroups and only saw information about groups I am a member of and groups I can join.  I had previously done a Google search for start subgroup groups.io and read both help results and learned nothing specific about how to do this.  Nor have I found anything on the NVDA main page or the subgroups page that says anything about starting a subgroup.

 

Gene

 

From: Gene

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:45 PM

Subject: Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

 

I've been trying to create a subgroup but I can't see anything related to it in the interface.  Also, I don't see what I recall seeing before such as a link I saw before to see members and their status to help with things like unsubscribing.  I followed the NVDA main link and that's where I looked for these things.  Did something change in the interface?  I never had this kind of problem before.

 

Thanks for any information.

Gene

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Re: Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

Gene
 

From what I read, this link should be on the main page.  I see no such link.  I don't know if I have permission to create subgroups.  Is this a specific activity that permission must be given for?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

Hi,

Normally, if folks have permission, they can click “create a subgroup” link and it’ll let them create one.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 12:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

 

As it turns out, I still can't find where to create a subgroup.  I followed the link that says subgroups and only saw information about groups I am a member of and groups I can join.  I had previously done a Google search for start subgroup groups.io and read both help results and learned nothing specific about how to do this.  Nor have I found anything on the NVDA main page or the subgroups page that says anything about starting a subgroup.

 

Gene

 

From: Gene

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:45 PM

Subject: Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

 

I've been trying to create a subgroup but I can't see anything related to it in the interface.  Also, I don't see what I recall seeing before such as a link I saw before to see members and their status to help with things like unsubscribing.  I followed the NVDA main link and that's where I looked for these things.  Did something change in the interface?  I never had this kind of problem before.

 

Thanks for any information.

Gene


Re: Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

 

Hi,

Normally, if folks have permission, they can click “create a subgroup” link and it’ll let them create one.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 12:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

 

As it turns out, I still can't find where to create a subgroup.  I followed the link that says subgroups and only saw information about groups I am a member of and groups I can join.  I had previously done a Google search for start subgroup groups.io and read both help results and learned nothing specific about how to do this.  Nor have I found anything on the NVDA main page or the subgroups page that says anything about starting a subgroup.

 

Gene

 

From: Gene

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:45 PM

Subject: Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

 

I've been trying to create a subgroup but I can't see anything related to it in the interface.  Also, I don't see what I recall seeing before such as a link I saw before to see members and their status to help with things like unsubscribing.  I followed the NVDA main link and that's where I looked for these things.  Did something change in the interface?  I never had this kind of problem before.

 

Thanks for any information.

Gene


Re: I am interested in programming for NVDA

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello,

the owner has been extremely busy, and e-mails have not gotten the attention they deserve. Of course there is no objection though, and I am glad Gene is setting this list up.

Thanks.


On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 2:49 PM Gary Bowers <gdbowers@...> wrote:
Hi Sally,

Please put me on your list of beginning Python learners.

I'm happy with the idea of your own Google group or a subgroup of NVDA. I consider you to be our fearless leader and organizer.

Thanks,

Gary
gdbowers@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sally Kiebdaj
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 12:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

Hello all,


sorry to respond only daily.


I have a nice mix of private and public messages now which I am happy to organize into a headcount.


As I understand our purpose, we are people with little or no programming background who want to learn programming through python. Some of us also want to eventually work on NVDA--provided we learn python successfully.


We are looking for some experience people to help coach. Some of the experienced people have a programming background but are learning python along with us and others have both programming and python experience.


To sum up, we are mostly starting from an intro to computer science angle as screen reader users who want to learn comp-sci through python and eventually contribute to NVDA.


Once I had a list of interested parties, I was going to email all to do a poll on how we want to communicate. google groups was going to be my default but there are also forums or other shared workspaces that might be easier for collaborative learning.


Although I do not have a programming background, I do have a coordinating background and am happy to be the organizing engine unless others strongly want to take this lead.


I defer to Joseph and others if an NVDA list is appropriate for the scope described above and will compile a list of people who have expressed interest by next week. I'll share that list with whomever is in charge by then, if it is not me.


Thanks all for the enthusiasm! It's good to get this idea off the ground.


Cheers,

Sally


On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:31 AM, Dennis L <dennisl1982@... <mailto:dennisl1982@...> > wrote:


        Is that we subscribe?





        From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>  [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> ] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
        Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:55 AM


        To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
        Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA





        Hi,

        I propose “beginningdevs” as the name of the subgroup, with the complete email address being nvda+beginningdevs@groups.io <mailto:nvda+beginningdevs@groups.io>  with subject tag of nvda-beginningdevs.

        Cheers,

        Joseph



        From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>  [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> ] On Behalf Of Gene
        Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 11:53 PM
        To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
        Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA



        I see no reason that the list owner would object.  Unless there is an objection, I shall set up a new subgroup later today.  I haven't done this before and if I have any problems, I'll ask about them here but I don't expect to have problems or not any problems I can't figure out.  What, Michael Lee, is your suggestion for a name for the subgroup?  I'm asking because I'm not sure just what its purpose is, to teach Python or to teach python in a context of NVDA development.



        Gene

        ----- Original Message -----

        Gene

        ----- Original Message -----

        From: John J. Boyer <mailto:john.boyer@...>

        Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 1:39 AM

        To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

        Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA



        I think a separate list is most apropriate. The developoment list shouldn't be encumbered with questions from newbies
        in programming. That said, I am willing to act as a mentor for a separate list.

        John

        On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 09:02:59PM -0700, Hector Elias wrote:
        > Hi Joseph:
        >
        > Is that an appropriate mailing list to conduct a discussion of learning Python? Or should we create a separate list?
        >
        > Thanks,
        >
        > Hector
        > > On Aug 16, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@... <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...> > wrote:
        > >
        > > Hi,
        > > The most appropriate list to join is nvda-devel (hosted at SourceForge). I'm not qualified to create a subgroup on this forum.
        > > Cheers,
        > > Joseph
        > >
        > > -----Original Message-----
        > > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>  [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lenron
        > > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 8:55 PM
        > > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
        > > Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA
        > >
        > > I would be up to joining this list as well. Alsways up for learning something new.
        > >
        > > On 8/16/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@... <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...> > wrote:
        > >> hi.
        > >> i wish that learn python too.
        > >> here the email address of sally that you and james wanted.
        > >> Sally Kiebdaj<fiddle.pup@... <mailto:fiddle.pup@...> >
        > >>
        > >> On 8/17/17, Hector Elias <hmelias09@... <mailto:hmelias09@...> > wrote:
        > >>> Correction I was able to find the e-mail, and I have e-mailed Sally
        > >>> directly.
        > >>>
        > >>> Hector
        > >>>> On Aug 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Hector Elias <hmelias09@... <mailto:hmelias09@...> > wrote:
        > >>>>
        > >>>> Hello:
        > >>>>
        > >>>> I would be interested in joining this group. I have some Python
        > >>>> experience, and will be taking a course at my community college in a
        > >>>> few weeks. Syntax errors are usually caused because there is an
        > >>>> error when using the code. I have seen those courses and I found
        > >>>> that sometimes they would not describe the syntax correctly; which
        > >>>> lead to miss typing the code. Python is case sensitive, or you might
        > >>>> have missed a certain punctuation mark.
        > >>>>
        > >>>> Sally, your e-mail doesn't show up on this thread. I only see the
        > >>>> mailing list address. Could you send us your e-mail?
        > >>>>
        > >>>> Thanks,
        > >>>>
        > >>>> hector Elias
        > >>>>> On Aug 16, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@... <mailto:fiddle.pup@...> >
        > >>>>> wrote:
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> Hello all,
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> Thank you for the copious advice!
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> In the past, I tried MIT OpenCourseware and MITx 6.00 which are
        > >>>>> both versions of their introduction to computer science course
        > >>>>> taught in Python. I always ended up in the situation where
        > >>>>> following the directions keystroke for keystroke generated a syntax
        > >>>>> error and I had no one to ask for help. This is what I want to
        > >>>>> avoid by having friends plugging away at it with me and experts on
        > >>>>> hand for when we bog down.
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> If others are interested in finding a book/course and slogging
        > >>>>> through it together, please reply to me privately and I am happy to
        > >>>>> facilitate communication and coordination off list.
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> I would also be happy to work through any future NVDA specific
        > >>>>> programming tutorials.
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> So, drop me a line if you would like to plod through this in a
        > >>>>> group with me.
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> Hope to hear from some of you on this thread.
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> Regards,
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> Sally
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> On 8/13/2017 4:21 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
        > >>>>>> You don't have to learn python the hard way. What you need is a
        > >>>>>> tutorial that assumes no probramming experience and no familiarity
        > >>>>>> with programming concepts. Manuals aren't it. They are for
        > >>>>>> programmers learning a new language. What is needed is a turorial
        > >>>>>> written by someone who has experience teaching programming from
        > >>>>>> the ground up.
        > >>>>>>
        > >>>>>> John
        > >>>>>>
        > >>>>>> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 12:11:01PM -0700, J.G wrote:
        > >>>>>>> Hi,
        > >>>>>>>
        > >>>>>>> as I have written, beginners to programing should take a
        > >>>>>>> tutorials/manuals, which are simple and explain python in plain
        > >>>>>>> language so it can be understandable for all of us. I suggest you:
        > >>>>>>> https://learnpythonthehardway.org/ <https://learnpythonthehardway.org/>  (
        > >>>>>>> https://learnpythonthehardway.org/ <https://learnpythonthehardway.org/>
        > >>>>>>> )
        > >>>>>>> there are books, which can help you self-teaching coding. these
        > >>>>>>> are divided in cca 50 section - exercises. through them you can
        > >>>>>>> begin to know how to programing.
        > >>>>>>>
        > >>>>>>> warning: if you really want to code, you will have to train
        > >>>>>>> yourself a lot.
        > >>>>>>>
        > >>>>>>> hope this helps and that in this post I was clearer than in my
        > >>>>>>> previous message.
        > >>>>>>>
        > >>>>>>> regards, Jožef
        > >>>>>
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        > >> --
        > >> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
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        > >> in the very authentic narration is:
        > >> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
        > >> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
        > >> al-islam.org <http://al-islam.org>
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criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
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To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP
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Re: Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

Gene
 

As it turns out, I still can't find where to create a subgroup.  I followed the link that says subgroups and only saw information about groups I am a member of and groups I can join.  I had previously done a Google search for start subgroup groups.io and read both help results and learned nothing specific about how to do this.  Nor have I found anything on the NVDA main page or the subgroups page that says anything about starting a subgroup.
 
Gene

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:45 PM
Subject: Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

I've been trying to create a subgroup but I can't see anything related to it in the interface.  Also, I don't see what I recall seeing before such as a link I saw before to see members and their status to help with things like unsubscribing.  I followed the NVDA main link and that's where I looked for these things.  Did something change in the interface?  I never had this kind of problem before.
 
Thanks for any information.
Gene


Re: I am interested in programming for NVDA

Gary Bowers
 

Hi Sally,

Please put me on your list of beginning Python learners.

I'm happy with the idea of your own Google group or a subgroup of NVDA. I consider you to be our fearless leader and organizer.

Thanks,

Gary
gdbowers@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sally Kiebdaj
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 12:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

Hello all,


sorry to respond only daily.


I have a nice mix of private and public messages now which I am happy to organize into a headcount.


As I understand our purpose, we are people with little or no programming background who want to learn programming through python. Some of us also want to eventually work on NVDA--provided we learn python successfully.


We are looking for some experience people to help coach. Some of the experienced people have a programming background but are learning python along with us and others have both programming and python experience.


To sum up, we are mostly starting from an intro to computer science angle as screen reader users who want to learn comp-sci through python and eventually contribute to NVDA.


Once I had a list of interested parties, I was going to email all to do a poll on how we want to communicate. google groups was going to be my default but there are also forums or other shared workspaces that might be easier for collaborative learning.


Although I do not have a programming background, I do have a coordinating background and am happy to be the organizing engine unless others strongly want to take this lead.


I defer to Joseph and others if an NVDA list is appropriate for the scope described above and will compile a list of people who have expressed interest by next week. I'll share that list with whomever is in charge by then, if it is not me.


Thanks all for the enthusiasm! It's good to get this idea off the ground.


Cheers,

Sally


On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:31 AM, Dennis L <dennisl1982@... <mailto:dennisl1982@...> > wrote:


Is that we subscribe?





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> ] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:55 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA





Hi,

I propose “beginningdevs” as the name of the subgroup, with the complete email address being nvda+beginningdevs@groups.io <mailto:nvda+beginningdevs@groups.io> with subject tag of nvda-beginningdevs.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> ] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 11:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA



I see no reason that the list owner would object. Unless there is an objection, I shall set up a new subgroup later today. I haven't done this before and if I have any problems, I'll ask about them here but I don't expect to have problems or not any problems I can't figure out. What, Michael Lee, is your suggestion for a name for the subgroup? I'm asking because I'm not sure just what its purpose is, to teach Python or to teach python in a context of NVDA development.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: John J. Boyer <mailto:john.boyer@...>

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 1:39 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA



I think a separate list is most apropriate. The developoment list shouldn't be encumbered with questions from newbies
in programming. That said, I am willing to act as a mentor for a separate list.

John

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 09:02:59PM -0700, Hector Elias wrote:
> Hi Joseph:
>
> Is that an appropriate mailing list to conduct a discussion of learning Python? Or should we create a separate list?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hector
> > On Aug 16, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@... <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > The most appropriate list to join is nvda-devel (hosted at SourceForge). I'm not qualified to create a subgroup on this forum.
> > Cheers,
> > Joseph
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lenron
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 8:55 PM
> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> > Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA
> >
> > I would be up to joining this list as well. Alsways up for learning something new.
> >
> > On 8/16/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@... <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...> > wrote:
> >> hi.
> >> i wish that learn python too.
> >> here the email address of sally that you and james wanted.
> >> Sally Kiebdaj<fiddle.pup@... <mailto:fiddle.pup@...> >
> >>
> >> On 8/17/17, Hector Elias <hmelias09@... <mailto:hmelias09@...> > wrote:
> >>> Correction I was able to find the e-mail, and I have e-mailed Sally
> >>> directly.
> >>>
> >>> Hector
> >>>> On Aug 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Hector Elias <hmelias09@... <mailto:hmelias09@...> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello:
> >>>>
> >>>> I would be interested in joining this group. I have some Python
> >>>> experience, and will be taking a course at my community college in a
> >>>> few weeks. Syntax errors are usually caused because there is an
> >>>> error when using the code. I have seen those courses and I found
> >>>> that sometimes they would not describe the syntax correctly; which
> >>>> lead to miss typing the code. Python is case sensitive, or you might
> >>>> have missed a certain punctuation mark.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sally, your e-mail doesn't show up on this thread. I only see the
> >>>> mailing list address. Could you send us your e-mail?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> hector Elias
> >>>>> On Aug 16, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@... <mailto:fiddle.pup@...> >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thank you for the copious advice!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In the past, I tried MIT OpenCourseware and MITx 6.00 which are
> >>>>> both versions of their introduction to computer science course
> >>>>> taught in Python. I always ended up in the situation where
> >>>>> following the directions keystroke for keystroke generated a syntax
> >>>>> error and I had no one to ask for help. This is what I want to
> >>>>> avoid by having friends plugging away at it with me and experts on
> >>>>> hand for when we bog down.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If others are interested in finding a book/course and slogging
> >>>>> through it together, please reply to me privately and I am happy to
> >>>>> facilitate communication and coordination off list.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would also be happy to work through any future NVDA specific
> >>>>> programming tutorials.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, drop me a line if you would like to plod through this in a
> >>>>> group with me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hope to hear from some of you on this thread.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sally
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 8/13/2017 4:21 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
> >>>>>> You don't have to learn python the hard way. What you need is a
> >>>>>> tutorial that assumes no probramming experience and no familiarity
> >>>>>> with programming concepts. Manuals aren't it. They are for
> >>>>>> programmers learning a new language. What is needed is a turorial
> >>>>>> written by someone who has experience teaching programming from
> >>>>>> the ground up.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> John
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 12:11:01PM -0700, J.G wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> as I have written, beginners to programing should take a
> >>>>>>> tutorials/manuals, which are simple and explain python in plain
> >>>>>>> language so it can be understandable for all of us. I suggest you:
> >>>>>>> https://learnpythonthehardway.org/ <https://learnpythonthehardway.org/> (
> >>>>>>> https://learnpythonthehardway.org/ <https://learnpythonthehardway.org/>
> >>>>>>> )
> >>>>>>> there are books, which can help you self-teaching coding. these
> >>>>>>> are divided in cca 50 section - exercises. through them you can
> >>>>>>> begin to know how to programing.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> warning: if you really want to code, you will have to train
> >>>>>>> yourself a lot.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> hope this helps and that in this post I was clearer than in my
> >>>>>>> previous message.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> regards, Jožef
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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> >> in the very authentic narration is:
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> >> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> >> al-islam.org <http://al-islam.org>
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Re: Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

Nimer Jaber
 

Very strange. I will look into it and see what happened.

Thanks.

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 2:45 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I've been trying to create a subgroup but I can't see anything related to it in the interface.  Also, I don't see what I recall seeing before such as a link I saw before to see members and their status to help with things like unsubscribing.  I followed the NVDA main link and that's where I looked for these things.  Did something change in the interface?  I never had this kind of problem before.
 
Thanks for any information.
Gene

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Re: Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

Gene
 

I may have found what I was looking for so disregard my last message unless I indicate that I am still having problems.  I hadn't noticed the more button or I hadn't remembered using it before.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:45 PM
Subject: Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

I've been trying to create a subgroup but I can't see anything related to it in the interface.  Also, I don't see what I recall seeing before such as a link I saw before to see members and their status to help with things like unsubscribing.  I followed the NVDA main link and that's where I looked for these things.  Did something change in the interface?  I never had this kind of problem before.
 
Thanks for any information.
Gene


Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

Gene
 

I've been trying to create a subgroup but I can't see anything related to it in the interface.  Also, I don't see what I recall seeing before such as a link I saw before to see members and their status to help with things like unsubscribing.  I followed the NVDA main link and that's where I looked for these things.  Did something change in the interface?  I never had this kind of problem before.
 
Thanks for any information.
Gene


Re: Did you all miss me huh?

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

No sir. Newegg.

On 8/17/2017 3:17 PM, The Wolf wrote:
did u get this from the site directly?


On 8/17/2017 11:54 AM, Lino Morales wrote:
It is. Not bad for a referb. My wife is getting a Del Latitude referb tomorrow.


On 8/17/2017 2:52 PM, Michael Capelle wrote:
glad to see you back, sounds like a awesome system.

-----Original Message----- From: Lino Morales
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 1:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Did you all miss me huh?

Hello kiddies. I'm back split button. I'll give you the sort version of
the story of the PC that sang Taps. Well I was just doing my thing
listening to a stream, doing email, and so on and on. Then I needed to
restart my PC. Well boom! I waited almost an hour. It took me several
days for my wife who has little vision herself that I had a flashing
dash on the screen. We.. I think the motherboard died. This was on June
20th. Fastforward to a week ago. I bought a new HP PC referbished and
certified by MS for $162 US plus the cost of the 1 year warnty. I've got
8 Gb of ram, a 1 TB harddrive. I think it has an I 5 or I 7 processer
which is 3.0 GHZ with WIN 10 Home.

The End.










Re: Did you all miss me huh?

 

did u get this from the site directly?

On 8/17/2017 11:54 AM, Lino Morales wrote:
It is. Not bad for a referb. My wife is getting a Del Latitude referb tomorrow.


On 8/17/2017 2:52 PM, Michael Capelle wrote:
glad to see you back, sounds like a awesome system.

-----Original Message----- From: Lino Morales
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 1:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Did you all miss me huh?

Hello kiddies. I'm back split button. I'll give you the sort version of
the story of the PC that sang Taps. Well I was just doing my thing
listening to a stream, doing email, and so on and on. Then I needed to
restart my PC. Well boom! I waited almost an hour. It took me several
days for my wife who has little vision herself that I had a flashing
dash on the screen. We.. I think the motherboard died. This was on June
20th. Fastforward to a week ago. I bought a new HP PC referbished and
certified by MS for $162 US plus the cost of the 1 year warnty. I've got
8 Gb of ram, a 1 TB harddrive. I think it has an I 5 or I 7 processer
which is 3.0 GHZ with WIN 10 Home.

The End.








Welcome to the List:

Lawrence Stoler
 

Hi,


I agree with others who have posted and welcomed you to the group. It is a great list with people who are more than willing to help you when you have any questions or need clarifications on anything when it comes to NVDA.


I too switched from jaws a couple of years ago as I am currently out of work and couldn't afford it.


A former friend and long time Internet user, made me aware of NVDA and I think it's great.


Again welcome to the list.


Sincerely,


Lawrence Stoler


Re: New Member

Damien Sykes-Lindley <damien@...>
 

Hi Ashley,
Wow, a big welcome to you as well.
Nice to see lots of new users to NVDA. It is by far, in my opinion, the best available screen reader. And believe you me, it’ll do nothing but get better.
Cheers.
Damien.
 
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member
 

Hello,

Welcome to the list; I am a new NVDA user and list member as well.  I have found everyone very helpful and I’m sure you will also.  I actualy just switched from jaws to NVDA and so far have no complaints lol so maybe it’s worth some thought 😊

Ashley

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Geno Stone
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 12:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] New Member

 

I am Geno Stone in Portland, Maine. I use a combo of Jaws 18 and the latest up-grade to NVDA. Love it as a great back-up for me. My friend in Germany is trying to and maybe one day to switch and go all the way NVDA. Thank-you for accepting me as a member here. Smiles, Geno

 


Re: New Member

Damien Sykes-Lindley <damien@...>
 

Hi Geno,
Welcome to the list.
 
NVDA is more than capable of being used as a primary screen reader and has been for some time. I have used it as my primary screen reader for a good four years now.
 
If you have any questions I’m sure there are loads on here who can help. We all have varying levels of expertise on using NVDA in our different day-to-day tasks – Thanks to its versatility and extended support for various products, it is suited for everyday use with Notepad, Internet Explorer and Windows Mail, to specialised use cases with office products, digital audio workstation applications and software development environments.
Cheers.
Damien.
 
From: Geno Stone
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 6:25 PM
Subject: [nvda] New Member
 

I am Geno Stone in Portland, Maine. I use a combo of Jaws 18 and the latest up-grade to NVDA. Love it as a great back-up for me. My friend in Germany is trying to and maybe one day to switch and go all the way NVDA. Thank-you for accepting me as a member here. Smiles, Geno


Re: New Member

Ashley Wayne
 

Hello,

Welcome to the list; I am a new NVDA user and list member as well.  I have found everyone very helpful and I’m sure you will also.  I actualy just switched from jaws to NVDA and so far have no complaints lol so maybe it’s worth some thought 😊

Ashley

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Geno Stone
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 12:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] New Member

 

I am Geno Stone in Portland, Maine. I use a combo of Jaws 18 and the latest up-grade to NVDA. Love it as a great back-up for me. My friend in Germany is trying to and maybe one day to switch and go all the way NVDA. Thank-you for accepting me as a member here. Smiles, Geno

 


Re: Did you all miss me huh?

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

It is. Not bad for a referb. My wife is getting a Del Latitude referb tomorrow.

On 8/17/2017 2:52 PM, Michael Capelle wrote:
glad to see you back, sounds like a awesome system.

-----Original Message----- From: Lino Morales
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 1:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Did you all miss me huh?

Hello kiddies. I'm back split button. I'll give you the sort version of
the story of the PC that sang Taps. Well I was just doing my thing
listening to a stream, doing email, and so on and on. Then I needed to
restart my PC. Well boom! I waited almost an hour. It took me several
days for my wife who has little vision herself that I had a flashing
dash on the screen. We.. I think the motherboard died. This was on June
20th. Fastforward to a week ago. I bought a new HP PC referbished and
certified by MS for $162 US plus the cost of the 1 year warnty. I've got
8 Gb of ram, a 1 TB harddrive. I think it has an I 5 or I 7 processer
which is 3.0 GHZ with WIN 10 Home.

The End.






Re: Did you all miss me huh?

Michael Capelle <mcapelle@...>
 

glad to see you back, sounds like a awesome system.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lino Morales
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 1:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Did you all miss me huh?

Hello kiddies. I'm back split button. I'll give you the sort version of
the story of the PC that sang Taps. Well I was just doing my thing
listening to a stream, doing email, and so on and on. Then I needed to
restart my PC. Well boom! I waited almost an hour. It took me several
days for my wife who has little vision herself that I had a flashing
dash on the screen. We.. I think the motherboard died. This was on June
20th. Fastforward to a week ago. I bought a new HP PC referbished and
certified by MS for $162 US plus the cost of the 1 year warnty. I've got
8 Gb of ram, a 1 TB harddrive. I think it has an I 5 or I 7 processer
which is 3.0 GHZ with WIN 10 Home.

The End.


New Member

Geno Stone <geno9802@...>
 

I am Geno Stone in Portland, Maine. I use a combo of Jaws 18 and the latest up-grade to NVDA. Love it as a great back-up for me. My friend in Germany is trying to and maybe one day to switch and go all the way NVDA. Thank-you for accepting me as a member here. Smiles, Geno

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