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Re: Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

Gene
 

I don't know what version of Firefox you are using. 
 
Gene

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Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

Well, when I do alt b I get the BookMark menu come up.
 
Andrew
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken
 
I don't have 56.  I have one of the 55 versions and I am told Firefox is up-to-date.  But using the version I have, I have the same problem Brian discussed.
 
Gene
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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken
 
Where have people got v56 from, because mine is 55.0.2.



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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

I just installed 54 over it and its back as it was. Can anyone shed some
light on the new weird bookmarks panel that seems to be there by default?
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> It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark  panel.
> One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
> Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.
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> Anyone else noticed this?
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Re: Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

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It asked me this morning and I let it do it, and the result was that on opening, with no keyboard input, a panel comes up about bookmarks, but its not an html screen so no virtual buffers.
Slowly hitting tab eventually ends up in the browse mode on the page you set up as start. However, whereas the previous 54 and 55 versions always go into focus mode if this page is a search engine, in 56 this does not occur, leaving you to figure out if its shifte or e to get to that field, then press enter to get into it. Its all very inconvenient. I have never ever seen this weird bookmark panel before. Its most certainly not the bookmark list or toolbar as we have had previously, and indeed as I say, no keyboard entry is needed to initiate it, its just there on start up.
I got so annoyed in trying to find a place to put it back as it was, I decided life was too short and put in 54 as this is the last executable archive I had.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


Where have people got v56 from, because mine is 55.0.2.



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I just installed 54 over it and its back as it was. Can anyone shed some
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Subject: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark panel.
One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.

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Re: NVDA Question

anthony borg
 

Hi gene

I’m using the eloquence as a speech synthesizer and I have no problems with it at all.

But thanks for the link of the voices you have sent me.

Regards

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 21 August 2017 09:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Question

 

Hi

 

the following link should help you.

it also has which voices you can download etc and the steps. you must have the creators update.

 

the link to this page is https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/22797/windows-10-narrator-tts-voices

There is a little bit in the user manual about 1 core voices and this link came from that.

 

Gene nz

 

 

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Subject: NVDA Question

In the latest release you are able to use Microsoft Core Voices and I was wondering which voices this includes and how you go about using them.

 

Thanks,

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Re: question

anthony borg
 

Hi gene

What I told you is that I used to use the caps lock as an insert as well, not the insert key as a sticky key.

So now in NVDA I should start to use the insert key in some cases.

Thanks for your help

Regards

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 21 August 2017 12:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

I'm not sure where you want to use it not as a sticky key.  You can completely turn sticky keys off and then turn them on again very conveniently if your computer is set to do so.  There are other ways to completely turn off sticky keys but for now, try either shift pressed five times.  To turn them back on, try either shift five times and, when the dialog comes up, press either enter or the space bar.  I haven't discussed other ways to turn them off because I haven't experimented with the other ways much. 

 

Gene

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Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 4:54 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

Hi gene

Yes you are right, the capslocked was adjusted to be used as an insert key as well by the person who did my first installation most probably.

As I switched to NVDA from window eyes as it stopped running, I experienced those 2 problems which 1 was resolved,

Now as I never used the insert key before and in NVDA I have to use it not as a sticky key, but for other uses like the example I gave you, I don’t know if it works.

Sorry for all the trouble I’m giving you but without the help ofexperienced persons like you I won’t be able to resolve them.

Thank once again for your help

Regards

Anthony  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 21 August 2017 10:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

the insert key isn't defined as a sticky key by Windows.  Keys like shift, control, alt, are defined as sticky keys.  But NVDA causes either insert to act like a sticky key.  I don't know if this is by design or by accident but by doing so, it has provided a significant service to those who use sticky keys and want to do so with a screen- reader. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 2:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

Hi quentin

Many thanks for your support to help me and for the details you have sent me.

I used to use window eyes before but I had to switch to n v d a because window eyes has stopped running.

I go to the voice settings when I need to change something as you explained, but what I said in the previous email was just a example problem, the only one have

With the help of gene I resolved the capital letter problem.

As I never used the insert key as a command key before I still don’t know if it is going to work with n v d a.

I hope you will be able to understand wat I mean.

Kind regards

Anthony

.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 21 August 2017 03:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

In the official materials, we say to press say NVDA+control+up arrow to increase the speech, since you may have either insert or caps lock set as the NVDA modifier key (you can have both, in which case you can use either).  Any tutorial which write commands as say insert+control+up arrow is essentially the same, just use caps lock rather than insert if that is what you have set as your NVDA modifier key.

 

Whether you use the numpad insert, extended insert (the one in the "six pack" above the arrow keys on most desktop keyboards) or the caps lock key, they should work as "sticky" keys if you are using Sticky keys in Windows.  You might find that using the voice settings dialog is an easier way to change the speech rate as once you get into it ("Voice Settings" from NVDA's preferences menu or NVDA+control+v), you can tab to the appropriate slider and then adjust the rate.

 

Note if you are using Windows 10 and the newly available OneCore voices, these are often slower than other voices.  To overcome this, search for "Change text to speech settings" in Windows itself and adjust the rate there first.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 6:56 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi

 

under the keyboard settings is the extended insert key checked? Here I have all 3 checked. I just tried it with the extended insert key with the others ctrl key + either up or down to ajust the volume

It worked nicely a little bit different but could be done with the one hand.

 

I guess i am just use to using 2 hands to do the same job.

 

by the way is your keyboard a full qwerty keyboard? I have seen machines that might have 2 insert keys or 2 extended insert keys but do not know what the second key is for unless it does the same job.The extended insert key on my qwerty keyboard is the zero key. maybe you are pressing the wrong one? or do you have it marked?

 

Gene nz

.

 

On 20/08/2017 20:17, anthony borg wrote:

Hi gene

I am aware that I have to press it twice, but the problem is that it doesn’t announce on or off, it just peeps.

If there is a way of how to do it announcing it,

Can you please explain to me how to do it?

Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 20 August 2017 01:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

Hi

 

You are probably aware that if the caps lock key is selected as a modifier key it has to be hit 2 times to turn caps lock on and two for off..

 

if it is selected as the modifier key then it would be that key and say the letter N to get into the preferences of nvda.

 

here unless i am writing some thing unless it is more than a letter i just use the shift key for just one letter and if i want all of them capitalized I might then put that key on to do it then turn it off.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 20/08/2017 00:38, anthony borg wrote:

Hi list

Can someone help me to figure out this problem please?

On my laptop I use the sticky keys to be able to use the keyboard with one hand, but since I started to use the n v d a, I am meeting this problem. ?

Since I started to use the capslock as n v d a, now I can’t use it to write a capital letter, as usual, if any n v d a programmer can help me to solve this problem I would appreciate it very much.

Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

 



 

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Re: Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

Andrew Summers
 

Well, when I do alt b I get the BookMark menu come up.
 
Andrew
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken
 
I don't have 56.  I have one of the 55 versions and I am told Firefox is up-to-date.  But using the version I have, I have the same problem Brian discussed.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew Summers via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 6:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken
 
Where have people got v56 from, because mine is 55.0.2.



Andrew
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

I just installed 54 over it and its back as it was. Can anyone shed some
light on the new weird bookmarks panel that seems to be there by default?
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> It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark  panel.
> One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
> Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.
>
> Anyone else noticed this?
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Re: Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

Gene
 

I don't have 56.  I have one of the 55 versions and I am told Firefox is up-to-date.  But using the version I have, I have the same problem Brian discussed.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

Where have people got v56 from, because mine is 55.0.2.



Andrew
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

I just installed 54 over it and its back as it was. Can anyone shed some
light on the new weird bookmarks panel that seems to be there by default?
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> It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark  panel.
> One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
> Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.
>
> Anyone else noticed this?
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Re: Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

Gene
 

The problem discussed by Brian in the latest version of Firefox is a purely firefox problem and there is a very easy work around. 
 
The problem is that the shortcut, alt b, when you hold the alt and type b, doesn't work properly.  It duplicates the short cut control I, which toggles on and off the book marks search.  But the short cut does work properly if you type it the other way, that is, release alt, then type b.  That opens the book marks structure where it should open. 
 
This is a bug in Firefox, which I thought was tested for accessibility long before production versions are released.  This bug raises serious questions about accessibility testing.  this glaring bug should have been discovered quickly and easily a good while before release.
 
Gene

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Re: Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

Andrew Summers
 

Where have people got v56 from, because mine is 55.0.2.



Andrew

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

I just installed 54 over it and its back as it was. Can anyone shed some
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It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark panel.
One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.

Anyone else noticed this?
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Re: Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

Gene
 

Are you talking about the bookmarks problem discussed in the quoted messages in this thread?  The other problem, the page not being read is a different thread.
 
Gene

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Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

Hi,   agreed but I am using the latest version it works with the stable
version of nvda but not the RC and now this is on 2 computers now.

On 21/08/2017 11:54, Gene wrote:
> If it didn't happen in the previous version of Firefox, why would this
> be an NVDA bug?  It may be that NVDA will have to be modified because of
> a change in Firefox, but I would think the logical cause would be Firefox.
> Gene
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>
> It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark panel.
>   One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
> Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.
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Re: Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, agreed but I am using the latest version it works with the stable version of nvda but not the RC and now this is on 2 computers now.

On 21/08/2017 11:54, Gene wrote:
If it didn't happen in the previous version of Firefox, why would this be an NVDA bug?  It may be that NVDA will have to be modified because of a change in Firefox, but I would think the logical cause would be Firefox.
Gene
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*Subject:* [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken
It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark panel.
 One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
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Re: Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

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I just installed 54 over it and its back as it was. Can anyone shed some light on the new weird bookmarks panel that seems to be there by default?
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark panel.
One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.

Anyone else noticed this?
Brian

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Re: advcash.com

Patrick ZAJDA
 

Hello,

In brows mode, go on the slider.

Press NVDA+Space to switch to form mode then press End and you should be
able to register.


Hop this helps,

Patrick

Le 19/08/2017 à 14:08, mattias a écrit :
Good luck to register on this site

You have to draw a slide in order to register



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Re: Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

Gene
 

If it didn't happen in the previous version of Firefox, why would this be an NVDA bug?  It may be that NVDA will have to be modified because of a change in Firefox, but I would think the logical cause would be Firefox.
 
Gene

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Subject: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark  panel.
 One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.

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Re: question

Gene
 

I'm not sure where you want to use it not as a sticky key.  You can completely turn sticky keys off and then turn them on again very conveniently if your computer is set to do so.  There are other ways to completely turn off sticky keys but for now, try either shift pressed five times.  To turn them back on, try either shift five times and, when the dialog comes up, press either enter or the space bar.  I haven't discussed other ways to turn them off because I haven't experimented with the other ways much. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 4:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

Hi gene

Yes you are right, the capslocked was adjusted to be used as an insert key as well by the person who did my first installation most probably.

As I switched to NVDA from window eyes as it stopped running, I experienced those 2 problems which 1 was resolved,

Now as I never used the insert key before and in NVDA I have to use it not as a sticky key, but for other uses like the example I gave you, I don’t know if it works.

Sorry for all the trouble I’m giving you but without the help ofexperienced persons like you I won’t be able to resolve them.

Thank once again for your help

Regards

Anthony  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 21 August 2017 10:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

the insert key isn't defined as a sticky key by Windows.  Keys like shift, control, alt, are defined as sticky keys.  But NVDA causes either insert to act like a sticky key.  I don't know if this is by design or by accident but by doing so, it has provided a significant service to those who use sticky keys and want to do so with a screen- reader. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: anthony borg

Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 2:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

Hi quentin

Many thanks for your support to help me and for the details you have sent me.

I used to use window eyes before but I had to switch to n v d a because window eyes has stopped running.

I go to the voice settings when I need to change something as you explained, but what I said in the previous email was just a example problem, the only one have

With the help of gene I resolved the capital letter problem.

As I never used the insert key as a command key before I still don’t know if it is going to work with n v d a.

I hope you will be able to understand wat I mean.

Kind regards

Anthony

.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 21 August 2017 03:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

In the official materials, we say to press say NVDA+control+up arrow to increase the speech, since you may have either insert or caps lock set as the NVDA modifier key (you can have both, in which case you can use either).  Any tutorial which write commands as say insert+control+up arrow is essentially the same, just use caps lock rather than insert if that is what you have set as your NVDA modifier key.

 

Whether you use the numpad insert, extended insert (the one in the "six pack" above the arrow keys on most desktop keyboards) or the caps lock key, they should work as "sticky" keys if you are using Sticky keys in Windows.  You might find that using the voice settings dialog is an easier way to change the speech rate as once you get into it ("Voice Settings" from NVDA's preferences menu or NVDA+control+v), you can tab to the appropriate slider and then adjust the rate.

 

Note if you are using Windows 10 and the newly available OneCore voices, these are often slower than other voices.  To overcome this, search for "Change text to speech settings" in Windows itself and adjust the rate there first.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 6:56 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi

 

under the keyboard settings is the extended insert key checked? Here I have all 3 checked. I just tried it with the extended insert key with the others ctrl key + either up or down to ajust the volume

It worked nicely a little bit different but could be done with the one hand.

 

I guess i am just use to using 2 hands to do the same job.

 

by the way is your keyboard a full qwerty keyboard? I have seen machines that might have 2 insert keys or 2 extended insert keys but do not know what the second key is for unless it does the same job.The extended insert key on my qwerty keyboard is the zero key. maybe you are pressing the wrong one? or do you have it marked?

 

Gene nz

.

 

On 20/08/2017 20:17, anthony borg wrote:

Hi gene

I am aware that I have to press it twice, but the problem is that it doesn’t announce on or off, it just peeps.

If there is a way of how to do it announcing it,

Can you please explain to me how to do it?

Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 20 August 2017 01:55
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Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

Hi

 

You are probably aware that if the caps lock key is selected as a modifier key it has to be hit 2 times to turn caps lock on and two for off..

 

if it is selected as the modifier key then it would be that key and say the letter N to get into the preferences of nvda.

 

here unless i am writing some thing unless it is more than a letter i just use the shift key for just one letter and if i want all of them capitalized I might then put that key on to do it then turn it off.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 20/08/2017 00:38, anthony borg wrote:

Hi list

Can someone help me to figure out this problem please?

On my laptop I use the sticky keys to be able to use the keyboard with one hand, but since I started to use the n v d a, I am meeting this problem. ?

Since I started to use the capslock as n v d a, now I can’t use it to write a capital letter, as usual, if any n v d a programmer can help me to solve this problem I would appreciate it very much.

Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

 



 

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Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

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It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark panel.
One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.

Anyone else noticed this?
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Firefox not working with the latest RC of Nvda.

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi all, I installed the RC of nvda and firefox reads nothing on another computer! using the portable version of the latest stable version of nvda it works fine now. this must be a problem with the RC version. the only thing is it is the same all in one lenovo I shall when I have time try it on another make just encase there is something about lenovo comps that is very unlikely! but worth a try, I how ever can use ff with the stable portable of nvda without problems! this is rather worrying as we are getting near the next stable version..e.


Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

Chris Mullins
 

You can make a desktop link to a batch file run as admin by setting the option in the advanced section of the Shortcut properties dialog.

Cheers
Chris

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I will offer this additionally. On one machine things only worked again after this was done after a computer restart.
I wonder if a batch file on the desktop might be able to do this, it depends whether its possible to make a batch file run as administrator or not.
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From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@...>
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Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda


Hi Tony


I will copy and paste what fixed mine off my website. You might need
sighted assistance? but I see also now for the same bug there is or
maybe fixes for other versions of windows.


But before you go to see if it fixes the problem can you do the
following first?


Under the general settings in nvda set the log level to debug. Save your
settings.


restart nvda so it is a fresh copy go into the areas where you are
having the problems nvda will record your steps like in your browser
thunder bird etc.


Then save the log to your desktop it can be found under the tools then
view log section. press the alt key then go to save log and save it to
your desk top or some where easy to find it.


Below will be what fixed mine on my windows 10 machine and also on a
ladies one.


I will also find the page with other fixes maybe the same or different.




Troubleshooting - NVDA says “unknown” or “pane” in all of your browsers,
Mozilla Thunderbird email client and other places
If for some reason you have problems with NVDA saying “unknown” or
“pane” check for the following symptoms:

In all of your browsers, or the Mozilla Thunderbird email client, no
matter what you do, you still hear “unknown” or “pane”.

In the browser, email client and other menus you notice you cannot get
into your menus, or you are unable to use the quick navigation keys

When you have been told the page is loaded and notice strange behaviour

Mozilla Thunderbird saying unknown while you try to navigate it

Your applications key does not work with it being spoken out and other
strange behaviour in Windows

The running applications icons are not being spoken out
It might be a good idea to do the following:
Please note: If you are hearing “unknown” or “pane” (as discussed above)
NVDA might seem like it is still working properly but it may not be
completely in Windows and other programmes.
You could try the following solution which will allow you to re-register
your dll files in case they are causing the problem.
Press the Windows key then type the following into the search box. Type
in “command prompt”. Once you have located command prompt, in the search
results, press the Applications key to bring up the context menu. Arrow
down to select “run as administrator” and press the Enter key. This will
take you to a command prompt window. This will not be spoken out. You
may need sighted assistance for this.
Type in the following command
for %x in (c:\windows\system32\*.dll) do regsvr32 /s %x
This should re-register all components in the system32 folder.
When it is finished, you can close the command prompt window with the
Alt + F4 key. You should notice now where NVDA was saying “unknown” as
in some examples given, NVDA should now read the icons in the running
applications area of Windows, speak the content of the webpage and
menus, and also in Mozilla Thunderbird and other places in Windows
including the Windows applications context menu.



Gene nz



On 21/08/2017 09:13, Tony Ballou wrote:
Hey Gene,


It has said unknown in Thunderbird yes indeed. I haven't played with
edge. However, I am seeing many of those symptoms that you're talking
about in Firefox .


Tony


On 8/20/2017 5:05 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi tony


can you tell me if nvda is doing any of the following? In all browsers
is he saying unknown or will not speak the contents of the web page? did
the page fully load try the f5 key to do this or use the nvda key + f5
key and see if it plays nicely?

Does he work in microsoft edge and read out the contents?


Down on the running application area on the task bar does nvda speak any
of the programs there?


When you hit the applications key does nvda speak any of the menus as
you arrow down it?


If you are running mozilla thunder bird does it say unknown as you tab
into it or try to get to messages or the menus it would be the same for
mozilla fire fox.


Gene nz



On 21/08/2017 08:32, Tony Ballou wrote:
howdy mates

for some reason nVDA and firefox are having quite a time getting along
with each other now. When web pages come up you get the announcement
that the page is up, however, nothing else works. Tabbing through the
page for links, browse mode keystrokes, everything appears to be shot.
Does anyone know what happened, and a fix for it if there is one? Very
strange indeed. using the latest versions of both windows 10 pro and
NVda.

Tony









Re: question

anthony borg
 

Hi gene

Yes you are right, the capslocked was adjusted to be used as an insert key as well by the person who did my first installation most probably.

As I switched to NVDA from window eyes as it stopped running, I experienced those 2 problems which 1 was resolved,

Now as I never used the insert key before and in NVDA I have to use it not as a sticky key, but for other uses like the example I gave you, I don’t know if it works.

Sorry for all the trouble I’m giving you but without the help ofexperienced persons like you I won’t be able to resolve them.

Thank once again for your help

Regards

Anthony  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 21 August 2017 10:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

the insert key isn't defined as a sticky key by Windows.  Keys like shift, control, alt, are defined as sticky keys.  But NVDA causes either insert to act like a sticky key.  I don't know if this is by design or by accident but by doing so, it has provided a significant service to those who use sticky keys and want to do so with a screen- reader. 

 

Gene

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Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 2:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

Hi quentin

Many thanks for your support to help me and for the details you have sent me.

I used to use window eyes before but I had to switch to n v d a because window eyes has stopped running.

I go to the voice settings when I need to change something as you explained, but what I said in the previous email was just a example problem, the only one have

With the help of gene I resolved the capital letter problem.

As I never used the insert key as a command key before I still don’t know if it is going to work with n v d a.

I hope you will be able to understand wat I mean.

Kind regards

Anthony

.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 21 August 2017 03:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

In the official materials, we say to press say NVDA+control+up arrow to increase the speech, since you may have either insert or caps lock set as the NVDA modifier key (you can have both, in which case you can use either).  Any tutorial which write commands as say insert+control+up arrow is essentially the same, just use caps lock rather than insert if that is what you have set as your NVDA modifier key.

 

Whether you use the numpad insert, extended insert (the one in the "six pack" above the arrow keys on most desktop keyboards) or the caps lock key, they should work as "sticky" keys if you are using Sticky keys in Windows.  You might find that using the voice settings dialog is an easier way to change the speech rate as once you get into it ("Voice Settings" from NVDA's preferences menu or NVDA+control+v), you can tab to the appropriate slider and then adjust the rate.

 

Note if you are using Windows 10 and the newly available OneCore voices, these are often slower than other voices.  To overcome this, search for "Change text to speech settings" in Windows itself and adjust the rate there first.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 6:56 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi

 

under the keyboard settings is the extended insert key checked? Here I have all 3 checked. I just tried it with the extended insert key with the others ctrl key + either up or down to ajust the volume

It worked nicely a little bit different but could be done with the one hand.

 

I guess i am just use to using 2 hands to do the same job.

 

by the way is your keyboard a full qwerty keyboard? I have seen machines that might have 2 insert keys or 2 extended insert keys but do not know what the second key is for unless it does the same job.The extended insert key on my qwerty keyboard is the zero key. maybe you are pressing the wrong one? or do you have it marked?

 

Gene nz

.

 

On 20/08/2017 20:17, anthony borg wrote:

Hi gene

I am aware that I have to press it twice, but the problem is that it doesn’t announce on or off, it just peeps.

If there is a way of how to do it announcing it,

Can you please explain to me how to do it?

Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 20 August 2017 01:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

Hi

 

You are probably aware that if the caps lock key is selected as a modifier key it has to be hit 2 times to turn caps lock on and two for off..

 

if it is selected as the modifier key then it would be that key and say the letter N to get into the preferences of nvda.

 

here unless i am writing some thing unless it is more than a letter i just use the shift key for just one letter and if i want all of them capitalized I might then put that key on to do it then turn it off.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 20/08/2017 00:38, anthony borg wrote:

Hi list

Can someone help me to figure out this problem please?

On my laptop I use the sticky keys to be able to use the keyboard with one hand, but since I started to use the n v d a, I am meeting this problem. ?

Since I started to use the capslock as n v d a, now I can’t use it to write a capital letter, as usual, if any n v d a programmer can help me to solve this problem I would appreciate it very much.

Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

 



 

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Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

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No Neither here either. My feeling on the fact that the RC is having problems is that it was not a good install, or it was installed somehow differently to the old version. Windows 10 seems to be having a lot of these problems, no doubt due to than aggressive updating Microsoft are doing every few months.
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Hi, was this only with windows ten? I tested firefox on my 7 box. I can’t confirm this problem.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: August-20-17 5:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda



Would list members please explain how a problem is solved when it is? No one else will benefit from the solution if it is just stated that the problem was solved. You might say, I solved it by following the suggestion to do this or that on the list or I did this or that to solve it.



Gene

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Hi folks,


Got it working on my laptop just fine, that worked. My friends desktop
however is still being ornery though. When I hit the insert key on the
numeric pad, it say no such heading, checkbox, or other browse mode
elements, and the insert f7 keystroke fails to bring up the elements
list. what could have scrambled this programs eggs?


Tony


On 8/20/2017 4:49 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Make full screen mode is off by pressing F11.


On 8/20/2017 4:32 PM, Tony Ballou wrote:
howdy mates

for some reason nVDA and firefox are having quite a time getting along
with each other now. When web pages come up you get the announcement
that the page is up, however, nothing else works. Tabbing through the
page for links, browse mode keystrokes, everything appears to be shot.
Does anyone know what happened, and a fix for it if there is one? Very
strange indeed. using the latest versions of both windows 10 pro and
NVda.

Tony






Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

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I'm a little worried by the fact that one person is now saying that the problem only happens on the RC version of .3.
This would not seem to fit the current understanding of the problem as a Windows issue.
As for a couple of makes of laptop being implicated, this could be due to the way the image was installed on machines, ie cloned from another drive and not installed using the oem cod thus duplicating any errors made when the original machine was set up, ie removing time limited versions of Office demos after the install on the original machine.

I think since many new machines do not have DVD drives this cloning is happening a lot more and hence so will any errors in that image being used.


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Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:14 AM
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This is very likely the same problem that has been discussed many times on the list. Did you remove anything such as a Microsoft office program or Microsoft Office? You need to run a command line command to register dll files that have become unregistered. That may solve the problem. If it doesn't, I'm not sure what the solution is. Running a restore point, I would think might solve the problem if you run one from before the program or programs were uninstalled and then you leave the resurrected programs in place. There may be other possible solutions but if there are, we'll see if people know of any.

Gene
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Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda


Make full screen mode is off by pressing F11.


On 8/20/2017 4:32 PM, Tony Ballou wrote:
howdy mates

for some reason nVDA and firefox are having quite a time getting along
with each other now. When web pages come up you get the announcement
that the page is up, however, nothing else works. Tabbing through the
page for links, browse mode keystrokes, everything appears to be shot.
Does anyone know what happened, and a fix for it if there is one? Very
strange indeed. using the latest versions of both windows 10 pro and NVda.

Tony



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