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Re: Control remote desktops like Horizon VMWare with NVDA

Saylor Cooper
 

So you are saying it’s not necessary for me to purchase the unicorn plug-in?

Saylor Cooper

On Oct 22, 2021, at 9:28 PM, John Isige <gwynn@...> wrote:



I don't know what else you have to do, if anything, but yes, NVDA has to be installed on the VM too. You can't just install the addon because the addon installs into NVDA and needs it to run.


On 10/22/2021 9:16 PM, Saylor Cooper wrote:
Hello group,

I’m trying to get this straight and understand the best way I can control a horizon VMware remote desktop with NVDA. Quentin I know you mentioned the unicorn DVC plug-in which is over $300 of which I’ll purchase if I need it for this new job I’m starting. However I found an article that explains that I can also control it using the standard NVDA remote add-on here:
If I go this route, would NVDA also need to be installed on the horizon VMWare or just the ad-on. Anyone please clarify all this so I know exactly what to do. 
Saylor Cooper


Re: Control remote desktops like Horizon VMWare with NVDA

John Isige
 

I don't know what else you have to do, if anything, but yes, NVDA has to be installed on the VM too. You can't just install the addon because the addon installs into NVDA and needs it to run.


On 10/22/2021 9:16 PM, Saylor Cooper wrote:
Hello group,

I’m trying to get this straight and understand the best way I can control a horizon VMware remote desktop with NVDA. Quentin I know you mentioned the unicorn DVC plug-in which is over $300 of which I’ll purchase if I need it for this new job I’m starting. However I found an article that explains that I can also control it using the standard NVDA remote add-on here:
If I go this route, would NVDA also need to be installed on the horizon VMWare or just the ad-on. Anyone please clarify all this so I know exactly what to do. 
Saylor Cooper


Control remote desktops like Horizon VMWare with NVDA

Saylor Cooper
 

Hello group,

I’m trying to get this straight and understand the best way I can control a horizon VMware remote desktop with NVDA. Quentin I know you mentioned the unicorn DVC plug-in which is over $300 of which I’ll purchase if I need it for this new job I’m starting. However I found an article that explains that I can also control it using the standard NVDA remote add-on here:
If I go this route, would NVDA also need to be installed on the horizon VMWare or just the ad-on. Anyone please clarify all this so I know exactly what to do. 
Saylor Cooper


Re: Looking for a certified NVDA trainer in Canada

Brian Moore
 

 on this thread has been helpful in terms of suggestions and the things I would try myself. I am one of many NVDA certified experts in Canada so will write you privately but mostly, this is the stuff I would try myself.

Brian.Hi. All of what I have read so far

Contact me on skype: brian.moore
follow me on twitter:
http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123
On 2021-10-22 5:30 p.m., Janet Brandly wrote:

Hello,

 

Thank you for this message. I will definitely check out that link. Can you interact with these objects? This software is not standard when it comes to controls which is part of the reason it took me ages to learn it, LOL.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jujube
Sent: October 22, 2021 2:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looking for a certified NVDA trainer in Canada

 

Hi Janet, I'm glad you've got something working for now. Based on your description I think it's unlikely JAWS scripts are being used. I am sure there's a way somewhere to check if JAWS scripts have been installed or not but I don't know where it is located in JAWS.

 

So as far as object navigation and NVDA is concerned, it's essentially the equivalent of the JAWS touch cursor or whatever Window eyes called it. The equivalent of the JAWS cursor is screen review/review cursor. I'm only familiar with laptop keyboard layout but I know many others can explain the desktop layout keystrokes.

 

So object nav is essentially moving between groups of object, so:

- to move to the next object, press NVDA shift right arrow

- to move to the previous object, press NVDA shift left arrow

- to move between groups of objects, press NVDA+shift+up/down arrow.

 

NVDA is in object review move by default. To cycle between review modes, press control+page up/page down.

There's also an exercise in this in process post that I suggest trying to help get a better understanding of object navigation. https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-20th-november-2020/

 It's under the heading "using object navigation in Windows 10 settings).

 

Object nav does take some getting used to if you used a different screen reader in the past, but once you grasp it, you can access a lot more information. Hope this helps.

 

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 12:40 PM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello Quentin and all,

 

Yes, I have contacted the software developer about its inaccessibility. The sense I get is that since it is, at least to them, compatible with JAWS, that is sufficient. In fact, the software is only partially accessible with JAWS.

 

Fortunately, I was able to obtain an annual license for JAWS. The amount of income I will get from this job will never be enough to live on. As for whether or not JAWS is using scripts, I have no idea. I am only learning as much of it as I need to in order to do the work. It seems to be a huge and extremely complicated piece of software, 95% of which I will never use. If it weren’t for the license there is no way I could ever afford it.

 

Quinten, thank you for those links. I am not familiar with object navigation, etc. However, I would still like to find someone to take a look at this program to see whether or not it could be used with NVDA before diving into that information.

 

Thanks for all of your input. Any more comments or recommendations are greatly appreciated.

 

Janet

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: October 21, 2021 7:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looking for a certified NVDA trainer in Canada

 

Have you talked to the company (or developers) about the accessibility of the package?  As others have asked, do you know if it uses Jaws scripts to enable it to work with Jaws?

 

If regular navigation isn't getting you around the software, are you familiar with the review cursor and object navigation?  They are NVDA concepts for moving around text and objects which is otherwise inaccessible with normal navigation.  You can find them in the User Guide: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#NavigatingWithNVDA but if you are not already familiar with them, I'd strongly recommend the Basic Training for NVDA which goes into much more depth on them and has exercises and activities to practice your skills: https://www.nvaccess.org/product/basic-training-for-nvda-ebook/

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 5:58 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello,

 

I am looking for someone in Canada certified in NVDA training to work with me to see whether there is any way to use NVDA with the proprietary software used by the company I contract for. The program is supposedly only compatible with JAWS which I am using now. I have tried NVDA with no success. NVDA is so much faster and more responsive. I would really like to be able to use it if possible. This would involve sharing my screen as the software is tied to my computer. If this is something that you may be able to help me with, please contact me directly at jbrandly@.... I will compensate you for your time.

 

Thank you,

 

Janet Brandly


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


Re: Looking for a certified NVDA trainer in Canada

Jackie
 

Sometimes in these really nonstandard contexts you need to try using
NVDA + spacebar.

On 10/22/21, Jujube <ellaxyu@...> wrote:
Hi, Yes you should be able to interact with those objects. Depending on the
situation sometimes just pressing enter will work. If not, you can try
NVDA+enter (laptop layout) or NVDAA+numpad enter (desktop layout). You may
also need to move the focus to the object. I kinda forget which is which
but it's either NVDA+backspace or NVDA+shift+backspace.

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 2:31 PM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello,



Thank you for this message. I will definitely check out that link. Can
you
interact with these objects? This software is not standard when it comes
to
controls which is part of the reason it took me ages to learn it, LOL.



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Jujube
*Sent:* October 22, 2021 2:48 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Looking for a certified NVDA trainer in Canada



Hi Janet, I'm glad you've got something working for now. Based on your
description I think it's unlikely JAWS scripts are being used. I am sure
there's a way somewhere to check if JAWS scripts have been installed or
not
but I don't know where it is located in JAWS.



So as far as object navigation and NVDA is concerned, it's essentially
the
equivalent of the JAWS touch cursor or whatever Window eyes called it.
The
equivalent of the JAWS cursor is screen review/review cursor. I'm only
familiar with laptop keyboard layout but I know many others can explain
the
desktop layout keystrokes.



So object nav is essentially moving between groups of object, so:

- to move to the next object, press NVDA shift right arrow

- to move to the previous object, press NVDA shift left arrow

- to move between groups of objects, press NVDA+shift+up/down arrow.



NVDA is in object review move by default. To cycle between review modes,
press control+page up/page down.

There's also an exercise in this in process post that I suggest trying to
help get a better understanding of object navigation.
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-20th-november-2020/

It's under the heading "using object navigation in Windows 10 settings).



Object nav does take some getting used to if you used a different screen
reader in the past, but once you grasp it, you can access a lot more
information. Hope this helps.



On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 12:40 PM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello Quentin and all,



Yes, I have contacted the software developer about its inaccessibility.
The sense I get is that since it is, at least to them, compatible with
JAWS, that is sufficient. In fact, the software is only partially
accessible with JAWS.



Fortunately, I was able to obtain an annual license for JAWS. The amount
of income I will get from this job will never be enough to live on. As
for
whether or not JAWS is using scripts, I have no idea. I am only learning
as
much of it as I need to in order to do the work. It seems to be a huge
and
extremely complicated piece of software, 95% of which I will never use.
If
it weren’t for the license there is no way I could ever afford it.



Quinten, thank you for those links. I am not familiar with object
navigation, etc. However, I would still like to find someone to take a
look
at this program to see whether or not it could be used with NVDA before
diving into that information.



Thanks for all of your input. Any more comments or recommendations are
greatly appreciated.



Janet



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Quentin
Christensen
*Sent:* October 21, 2021 7:02 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Looking for a certified NVDA trainer in Canada



Have you talked to the company (or developers) about the accessibility of
the package? As others have asked, do you know if it uses Jaws scripts
to
enable it to work with Jaws?



If regular navigation isn't getting you around the software, are you
familiar with the review cursor and object navigation? They are NVDA
concepts for moving around text and objects which is otherwise
inaccessible with normal navigation. You can find them in the User
Guide:
https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#NavigatingWithNVDA
but if you are not already familiar with them, I'd strongly recommend the
Basic Training for NVDA which goes into much more depth on them and has
exercises and activities to practice your skills:
https://www.nvaccess.org/product/basic-training-for-nvda-ebook/



Kind regards



Quentin.



On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 5:58 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello,



I am looking for someone in Canada certified in NVDA training to work
with
me to see whether there is any way to use NVDA with the proprietary
software used by the company I contract for. The program is supposedly
only
compatible with JAWS which I am using now. I have tried NVDA with no
success. NVDA is so much faster and more responsive. I would really like
to
be able to use it if possible. This would involve sharing my screen as
the
software is tied to my computer. If this is something that you may be
able
to help me with, please contact me directly at jbrandly@.... I will
compensate you for your time.



Thank you,



Janet Brandly




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Training and Support Manager



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Re: Looking for a certified NVDA trainer in Canada

Jujube
 

Hi, Yes you should be able to interact with those objects. Depending on the situation sometimes just pressing enter will work. If not, you can try NVDA+enter (laptop layout) or NVDAA+numpad enter (desktop layout). You may also need to move the focus to the object. I kinda forget which is which but it's either NVDA+backspace or NVDA+shift+backspace.


On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 2:31 PM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello,

 

Thank you for this message. I will definitely check out that link. Can you interact with these objects? This software is not standard when it comes to controls which is part of the reason it took me ages to learn it, LOL.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jujube
Sent: October 22, 2021 2:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looking for a certified NVDA trainer in Canada

 

Hi Janet, I'm glad you've got something working for now. Based on your description I think it's unlikely JAWS scripts are being used. I am sure there's a way somewhere to check if JAWS scripts have been installed or not but I don't know where it is located in JAWS.

 

So as far as object navigation and NVDA is concerned, it's essentially the equivalent of the JAWS touch cursor or whatever Window eyes called it. The equivalent of the JAWS cursor is screen review/review cursor. I'm only familiar with laptop keyboard layout but I know many others can explain the desktop layout keystrokes.

 

So object nav is essentially moving between groups of object, so:

- to move to the next object, press NVDA shift right arrow

- to move to the previous object, press NVDA shift left arrow

- to move between groups of objects, press NVDA+shift+up/down arrow.

 

NVDA is in object review move by default. To cycle between review modes, press control+page up/page down.

There's also an exercise in this in process post that I suggest trying to help get a better understanding of object navigation. https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-20th-november-2020/

 It's under the heading "using object navigation in Windows 10 settings).

 

Object nav does take some getting used to if you used a different screen reader in the past, but once you grasp it, you can access a lot more information. Hope this helps.

 

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 12:40 PM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello Quentin and all,

 

Yes, I have contacted the software developer about its inaccessibility. The sense I get is that since it is, at least to them, compatible with JAWS, that is sufficient. In fact, the software is only partially accessible with JAWS.

 

Fortunately, I was able to obtain an annual license for JAWS. The amount of income I will get from this job will never be enough to live on. As for whether or not JAWS is using scripts, I have no idea. I am only learning as much of it as I need to in order to do the work. It seems to be a huge and extremely complicated piece of software, 95% of which I will never use. If it weren’t for the license there is no way I could ever afford it.

 

Quinten, thank you for those links. I am not familiar with object navigation, etc. However, I would still like to find someone to take a look at this program to see whether or not it could be used with NVDA before diving into that information.

 

Thanks for all of your input. Any more comments or recommendations are greatly appreciated.

 

Janet

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: October 21, 2021 7:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looking for a certified NVDA trainer in Canada

 

Have you talked to the company (or developers) about the accessibility of the package?  As others have asked, do you know if it uses Jaws scripts to enable it to work with Jaws?

 

If regular navigation isn't getting you around the software, are you familiar with the review cursor and object navigation?  They are NVDA concepts for moving around text and objects which is otherwise inaccessible with normal navigation.  You can find them in the User Guide: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#NavigatingWithNVDA but if you are not already familiar with them, I'd strongly recommend the Basic Training for NVDA which goes into much more depth on them and has exercises and activities to practice your skills: https://www.nvaccess.org/product/basic-training-for-nvda-ebook/

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 5:58 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello,

 

I am looking for someone in Canada certified in NVDA training to work with me to see whether there is any way to use NVDA with the proprietary software used by the company I contract for. The program is supposedly only compatible with JAWS which I am using now. I have tried NVDA with no success. NVDA is so much faster and more responsive. I would really like to be able to use it if possible. This would involve sharing my screen as the software is tied to my computer. If this is something that you may be able to help me with, please contact me directly at jbrandly@.... I will compensate you for your time.

 

Thank you,

 

Janet Brandly


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


Re: Looking for a certified NVDA trainer in Canada

Janet Brandly
 

Hello,

 

Thank you for this message. I will definitely check out that link. Can you interact with these objects? This software is not standard when it comes to controls which is part of the reason it took me ages to learn it, LOL.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jujube
Sent: October 22, 2021 2:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looking for a certified NVDA trainer in Canada

 

Hi Janet, I'm glad you've got something working for now. Based on your description I think it's unlikely JAWS scripts are being used. I am sure there's a way somewhere to check if JAWS scripts have been installed or not but I don't know where it is located in JAWS.

 

So as far as object navigation and NVDA is concerned, it's essentially the equivalent of the JAWS touch cursor or whatever Window eyes called it. The equivalent of the JAWS cursor is screen review/review cursor. I'm only familiar with laptop keyboard layout but I know many others can explain the desktop layout keystrokes.

 

So object nav is essentially moving between groups of object, so:

- to move to the next object, press NVDA shift right arrow

- to move to the previous object, press NVDA shift left arrow

- to move between groups of objects, press NVDA+shift+up/down arrow.

 

NVDA is in object review move by default. To cycle between review modes, press control+page up/page down.

There's also an exercise in this in process post that I suggest trying to help get a better understanding of object navigation. https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-20th-november-2020/

 It's under the heading "using object navigation in Windows 10 settings).

 

Object nav does take some getting used to if you used a different screen reader in the past, but once you grasp it, you can access a lot more information. Hope this helps.

 

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 12:40 PM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello Quentin and all,

 

Yes, I have contacted the software developer about its inaccessibility. The sense I get is that since it is, at least to them, compatible with JAWS, that is sufficient. In fact, the software is only partially accessible with JAWS.

 

Fortunately, I was able to obtain an annual license for JAWS. The amount of income I will get from this job will never be enough to live on. As for whether or not JAWS is using scripts, I have no idea. I am only learning as much of it as I need to in order to do the work. It seems to be a huge and extremely complicated piece of software, 95% of which I will never use. If it weren’t for the license there is no way I could ever afford it.

 

Quinten, thank you for those links. I am not familiar with object navigation, etc. However, I would still like to find someone to take a look at this program to see whether or not it could be used with NVDA before diving into that information.

 

Thanks for all of your input. Any more comments or recommendations are greatly appreciated.

 

Janet

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: October 21, 2021 7:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looking for a certified NVDA trainer in Canada

 

Have you talked to the company (or developers) about the accessibility of the package?  As others have asked, do you know if it uses Jaws scripts to enable it to work with Jaws?

 

If regular navigation isn't getting you around the software, are you familiar with the review cursor and object navigation?  They are NVDA concepts for moving around text and objects which is otherwise inaccessible with normal navigation.  You can find them in the User Guide: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#NavigatingWithNVDA but if you are not already familiar with them, I'd strongly recommend the Basic Training for NVDA which goes into much more depth on them and has exercises and activities to practice your skills: https://www.nvaccess.org/product/basic-training-for-nvda-ebook/

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 5:58 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello,

 

I am looking for someone in Canada certified in NVDA training to work with me to see whether there is any way to use NVDA with the proprietary software used by the company I contract for. The program is supposedly only compatible with JAWS which I am using now. I have tried NVDA with no success. NVDA is so much faster and more responsive. I would really like to be able to use it if possible. This would involve sharing my screen as the software is tied to my computer. If this is something that you may be able to help me with, please contact me directly at jbrandly@.... I will compensate you for your time.

 

Thank you,

 

Janet Brandly


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


Re: Initial Speech Cutoff Using Bluetooth Headphones and NVDA

Gene
 

Try Silenzio.  I don’t know how the plugin works you tried.  Silenzio sends inaudible sound through the system to keep the audio from going to sleep.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Initial Speech Cutoff Using Bluetooth Headphones and NVDA
 
Yes. I continue to have that same problem with my AirPods despite installing the NVDA Bluetooth plug-in. It seems to have had no effect whatsoever. I’ve given up on this set up and just use a pair of wired headphones now. It’s unfortunate that such a simple thing can’t be made reliable but it is what it is, I guess.

> On Oct 22, 2021, at 10:41 AM, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I am currently using NVDA 2021.2 with the Bluetooth Audio add-on
> installed and enabled on a Windows 10 machine. With it, I am using a
> pair of Bluetooth headphones with my laptop, both of which are
> Bluetooth 5.0 compatible. Still, from time to time, especially when I
> am reading short stringgs like an alphabet or a monosyllable, the
> initial bit of the speech is cut off. Are there any ways to minimize
> the cutoff or fix it entirely? Please let me know.
>
> Best Regards,
> Bhavya Shah
> Stanford University | Class of 2024
> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
>
>
>
>
>





Re: Looking for a certified NVDA trainer in Canada

Jackie
 

Try pressing insert + q w/jaws. If scripts are being used, that should
be announced.

On 10/22/21, Jujube <ellaxyu@...> wrote:
Hi Janet, I'm glad you've got something working for now. Based on your
description I think it's unlikely JAWS scripts are being used. I am sure
there's a way somewhere to check if JAWS scripts have been installed or not
but I don't know where it is located in JAWS.

So as far as object navigation and NVDA is concerned, it's essentially the
equivalent of the JAWS touch cursor or whatever Window eyes called it. The
equivalent of the JAWS cursor is screen review/review cursor. I'm only
familiar with laptop keyboard layout but I know many others can explain the
desktop layout keystrokes.

So object nav is essentially moving between groups of object, so:
- to move to the next object, press NVDA shift right arrow
- to move to the previous object, press NVDA shift left arrow
- to move between groups of objects, press NVDA+shift+up/down arrow.

NVDA is in object review move by default. To cycle between review modes,
press control+page up/page down.
There's also an exercise in this in process post that I suggest trying to
help get a better understanding of object navigation.
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-20th-november-2020/
It's under the heading "using object navigation in Windows 10 settings).

Object nav does take some getting used to if you used a different screen
reader in the past, but once you grasp it, you can access a lot more
information. Hope this helps.

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 12:40 PM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello Quentin and all,



Yes, I have contacted the software developer about its inaccessibility.
The sense I get is that since it is, at least to them, compatible with
JAWS, that is sufficient. In fact, the software is only partially
accessible with JAWS.



Fortunately, I was able to obtain an annual license for JAWS. The amount
of income I will get from this job will never be enough to live on. As
for
whether or not JAWS is using scripts, I have no idea. I am only learning
as
much of it as I need to in order to do the work. It seems to be a huge
and
extremely complicated piece of software, 95% of which I will never use.
If
it weren’t for the license there is no way I could ever afford it.



Quinten, thank you for those links. I am not familiar with object
navigation, etc. However, I would still like to find someone to take a
look
at this program to see whether or not it could be used with NVDA before
diving into that information.



Thanks for all of your input. Any more comments or recommendations are
greatly appreciated.



Janet



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Quentin
Christensen
*Sent:* October 21, 2021 7:02 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Looking for a certified NVDA trainer in Canada



Have you talked to the company (or developers) about the accessibility of
the package? As others have asked, do you know if it uses Jaws scripts
to
enable it to work with Jaws?



If regular navigation isn't getting you around the software, are you
familiar with the review cursor and object navigation? They are NVDA
concepts for moving around text and objects which is otherwise
inaccessible with normal navigation. You can find them in the User
Guide:
https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#NavigatingWithNVDA
but if you are not already familiar with them, I'd strongly recommend the
Basic Training for NVDA which goes into much more depth on them and has
exercises and activities to practice your skills:
https://www.nvaccess.org/product/basic-training-for-nvda-ebook/



Kind regards



Quentin.



On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 5:58 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello,



I am looking for someone in Canada certified in NVDA training to work
with
me to see whether there is any way to use NVDA with the proprietary
software used by the company I contract for. The program is supposedly
only
compatible with JAWS which I am using now. I have tried NVDA with no
success. NVDA is so much faster and more responsive. I would really like
to
be able to use it if possible. This would involve sharing my screen as
the
software is tied to my computer. If this is something that you may be
able
to help me with, please contact me directly at jbrandly@.... I will
compensate you for your time.



Thank you,



Janet Brandly




--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



Web: www.nvaccess.org

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

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Re: Looking for a certified NVDA trainer in Canada

Jujube
 

Hi Janet, I'm glad you've got something working for now. Based on your description I think it's unlikely JAWS scripts are being used. I am sure there's a way somewhere to check if JAWS scripts have been installed or not but I don't know where it is located in JAWS.

So as far as object navigation and NVDA is concerned, it's essentially the equivalent of the JAWS touch cursor or whatever Window eyes called it. The equivalent of the JAWS cursor is screen review/review cursor. I'm only familiar with laptop keyboard layout but I know many others can explain the desktop layout keystrokes.

So object nav is essentially moving between groups of object, so:
- to move to the next object, press NVDA shift right arrow
- to move to the previous object, press NVDA shift left arrow
- to move between groups of objects, press NVDA+shift+up/down arrow.

NVDA is in object review move by default. To cycle between review modes, press control+page up/page down.
There's also an exercise in this in process post that I suggest trying to help get a better understanding of object navigation. https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-20th-november-2020/
 It's under the heading "using object navigation in Windows 10 settings).

Object nav does take some getting used to if you used a different screen reader in the past, but once you grasp it, you can access a lot more information. Hope this helps.


On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 12:40 PM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello Quentin and all,

 

Yes, I have contacted the software developer about its inaccessibility. The sense I get is that since it is, at least to them, compatible with JAWS, that is sufficient. In fact, the software is only partially accessible with JAWS.

 

Fortunately, I was able to obtain an annual license for JAWS. The amount of income I will get from this job will never be enough to live on. As for whether or not JAWS is using scripts, I have no idea. I am only learning as much of it as I need to in order to do the work. It seems to be a huge and extremely complicated piece of software, 95% of which I will never use. If it weren’t for the license there is no way I could ever afford it.

 

Quinten, thank you for those links. I am not familiar with object navigation, etc. However, I would still like to find someone to take a look at this program to see whether or not it could be used with NVDA before diving into that information.

 

Thanks for all of your input. Any more comments or recommendations are greatly appreciated.

 

Janet

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: October 21, 2021 7:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looking for a certified NVDA trainer in Canada

 

Have you talked to the company (or developers) about the accessibility of the package?  As others have asked, do you know if it uses Jaws scripts to enable it to work with Jaws?

 

If regular navigation isn't getting you around the software, are you familiar with the review cursor and object navigation?  They are NVDA concepts for moving around text and objects which is otherwise inaccessible with normal navigation.  You can find them in the User Guide: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#NavigatingWithNVDA but if you are not already familiar with them, I'd strongly recommend the Basic Training for NVDA which goes into much more depth on them and has exercises and activities to practice your skills: https://www.nvaccess.org/product/basic-training-for-nvda-ebook/

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 5:58 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello,

 

I am looking for someone in Canada certified in NVDA training to work with me to see whether there is any way to use NVDA with the proprietary software used by the company I contract for. The program is supposedly only compatible with JAWS which I am using now. I have tried NVDA with no success. NVDA is so much faster and more responsive. I would really like to be able to use it if possible. This would involve sharing my screen as the software is tied to my computer. If this is something that you may be able to help me with, please contact me directly at jbrandly@.... I will compensate you for your time.

 

Thank you,

 

Janet Brandly


 

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Re: NVDA and OCR software

Gene
 

As I understand matters, you were using Adobe.  That’s why I suggested trying opening it in a browser and printing it that way.  Before printing it, see if you can down arrow a lot of times and get to text.  Perhaps down arrowing twenty or thirty times might bring you to text, if the document has text.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and OCR software
 

I tried to print it and received a few blank pieces of paper.  When looking farther I received an error that the document didn't completely loaded.

Dave

 

On 10/20/2021 3:50 PM, Gene wrote:
You say which needs to be esigned.  Does that mean scanned?  If you are printing it as an alternative, try opening the document and printing it in a browser such as Chrome, Edhge, Brave or Firefox.  I don’t know what is causing the problem but that may allow you to print it.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and OCR software
 

Good Afternoon:  I can open other PDF files with Adobe with no problem.  It's just this file, which needs to be esigned, that is causing a problem.  That's what seemed to be questionable.

Dave

 

On 10/18/2021 3:33 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 04:48 PM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:

When I open the pdf, I was told that it didn't load completely.  So, I tried again.  Then I tried printing it and all I received was blank pages, checked by a sighted person.  . . . Yet I sent this email with attachment to my sighted son, who isn't running any screen reading equipment and he could open it with no problems.

Dave

-
Then we are back to there is something wrong that is virtually certain to be limited to your computer, and I'd say most likely with your PDF reading software.

So, just as there is the consistent advice to "try another browser," when there are issues with a webpage, the same applies to PDF readers:  try another alternative.  Under Windows 10 the Edge browser itself does a bang-up job of opening PDFs, so I'd try opening that same document in Edge rather than Adobe Reader DC to see if the result is different.  If it is, then uninstall and reinstall Adobe Reader DC.  If it's not, then start doing the repair steps for Windows.


Re: Initial Speech Cutoff Using Bluetooth Headphones and NVDA

Luke Robinett
 

Yes. I continue to have that same problem with my AirPods despite installing the NVDA Bluetooth plug-in. It seems to have had no effect whatsoever. I’ve given up on this set up and just use a pair of wired headphones now. It’s unfortunate that such a simple thing can’t be made reliable but it is what it is, I guess.

On Oct 22, 2021, at 10:41 AM, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:

Dear all,

I am currently using NVDA 2021.2 with the Bluetooth Audio add-on
installed and enabled on a Windows 10 machine. With it, I am using a
pair of Bluetooth headphones with my laptop, both of which are
Bluetooth 5.0 compatible. Still, from time to time, especially when I
am reading short stringgs like an alphabet or a monosyllable, the
initial bit of the speech is cut off. Are there any ways to minimize
the cutoff or fix it entirely? Please let me know.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/





Re: Initial Speech Cutoff Using Bluetooth Headphones and NVDA

Jim Pemberton
 

I’ve been using the White Noise add-on with NVDA, to hear the audio through my C-Crane radio, and have had no issues with loss of speech ever since. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shawn via groups.io
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 2:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Initial Speech Cutoff Using Bluetooth Headphones and NVDA

 

I have the AdOn, and I have the same problem anyway. I tend to play something low in Winamp to fix it, but I don’t use my Bluetooth headset much except for listening to Youtube and podcasts  while I’m doing dishes so I haven’t worried about it much. Guess I’ll try silenzio.

Shawn Klein

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 1:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Initial Speech Cutoff Using Bluetooth Headphones and NVDA

 

I would think that Silenzio might work.  I believe I read about an NVDA add-on that deals with this problem as well.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 12:48 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Initial Speech Cutoff Using Bluetooth Headphones and NVDA

 

hi  Bhavya,

there is some amount of loss in speech with nvda when using bluetooth headphones as far as I know there is no fix for it

 

 

On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 23:11, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:

Dear all,

I am currently using NVDA 2021.2 with the Bluetooth Audio add-on
installed and enabled on a Windows 10 machine. With it, I am using a
pair of Bluetooth headphones with my laptop, both of which are
Bluetooth 5.0 compatible. Still, from time to time, especially when I
am reading short stringgs like an alphabet or a monosyllable, the
initial bit of the speech is cut off. Are there any ways to minimize
the cutoff or fix it entirely? Please let me know.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/



 

 

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Re: Initial Speech Cutoff Using Bluetooth Headphones and NVDA

Shawn
 

I have the AdOn, and I have the same problem anyway. I tend to play something low in Winamp to fix it, but I don’t use my Bluetooth headset much except for listening to Youtube and podcasts  while I’m doing dishes so I haven’t worried about it much. Guess I’ll try silenzio.

Shawn Klein

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 1:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Initial Speech Cutoff Using Bluetooth Headphones and NVDA

 

I would think that Silenzio might work.  I believe I read about an NVDA add-on that deals with this problem as well.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 12:48 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Initial Speech Cutoff Using Bluetooth Headphones and NVDA

 

hi  Bhavya,

there is some amount of loss in speech with nvda when using bluetooth headphones as far as I know there is no fix for it

 

 

On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 23:11, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:

Dear all,

I am currently using NVDA 2021.2 with the Bluetooth Audio add-on
installed and enabled on a Windows 10 machine. With it, I am using a
pair of Bluetooth headphones with my laptop, both of which are
Bluetooth 5.0 compatible. Still, from time to time, especially when I
am reading short stringgs like an alphabet or a monosyllable, the
initial bit of the speech is cut off. Are there any ways to minimize
the cutoff or fix it entirely? Please let me know.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/




 

 

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Re: what next

Dave Grossoehme
 

Hi:  When the first version of Windows came out there was the Jawx Box to go back into DOS.  However, I'm sure that would not work now.

Dave


On 10/20/2021 5:03 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

If memory serves the American Printing House for the Blind once produced a device which allowed users to access BIOS settings during the boot sequence. I believe it was a hardware device and it was made for DOS-based PCs. It was pronounced Speakualizer although I don’t know the spelling. Needless to say the device is no longer available and it wouldn’t work even if you could find one on Ebay. Still it would be very nifty if we could have something like it for today’s computers assuming the technology on today’s machines would even allow for interfacing with such a device.

 

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Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 7:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what next

 

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 07:32 PM, Arlene wrote:

I hope in the future blind users can go in there with Nairator.

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Not likely.

What folks who use screen readers, as they currently exist, need to understand is that they are application software.  Mind you, a very specialized application, but still an application.  The operating system (whether Windows or any other one) must be up and running at least to a certain point before any screen reader can come online.

UEFI/BIOS occur in the boot sequence well prior to Windows (or other OSes such as Linux) ever being kicked off for loading.  While it would be conceivably possible to have a dedicated screen reader for that environment, and if memory serves a prototype was once made, long ago, it certainly would not be Narrator, NVDA, JAWS or any other screen reader as end users know them.  And it would also very likely have commands strictly limited to the environment at hand, which means it would be very different in that way, too.

And, as you mention, even if you were to have a screen reader of some sort available to navigate UEFI/BIOS, you still have to be very, very certain that what you're doing is precisely what you intend to do and that what you intend is actually what needs to be done to achieve the result hoped for.   If you can have this certainty, then go for it, otherwise, get assistance.  And this is completely separate from your visual status.  Most of my sighted clients have no idea that UEFI/BIOS even exists nor how to interact with it.  It's just not something most end users ever need to touch.

As far as turning off "media keys" or whatever a maker might call the actions associated with the function keys, lobbying them to create utilities such as the one Lenovo already has that allow these to be turned on or off from within Windows, or asking for some keyboard shortcut, likely a 4-key press to avoid accidents, to do this are both better ideas than a screen reader for UEFI/BIOS likely would be.  They're safer, too.
 
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Re: Looking for a certified NVDA trainer in Canada

Janet Brandly
 

Hello Quentin and all,

 

Yes, I have contacted the software developer about its inaccessibility. The sense I get is that since it is, at least to them, compatible with JAWS, that is sufficient. In fact, the software is only partially accessible with JAWS.

 

Fortunately, I was able to obtain an annual license for JAWS. The amount of income I will get from this job will never be enough to live on. As for whether or not JAWS is using scripts, I have no idea. I am only learning as much of it as I need to in order to do the work. It seems to be a huge and extremely complicated piece of software, 95% of which I will never use. If it weren’t for the license there is no way I could ever afford it.

 

Quinten, thank you for those links. I am not familiar with object navigation, etc. However, I would still like to find someone to take a look at this program to see whether or not it could be used with NVDA before diving into that information.

 

Thanks for all of your input. Any more comments or recommendations are greatly appreciated.

 

Janet

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: October 21, 2021 7:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looking for a certified NVDA trainer in Canada

 

Have you talked to the company (or developers) about the accessibility of the package?  As others have asked, do you know if it uses Jaws scripts to enable it to work with Jaws?

 

If regular navigation isn't getting you around the software, are you familiar with the review cursor and object navigation?  They are NVDA concepts for moving around text and objects which is otherwise inaccessible with normal navigation.  You can find them in the User Guide: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#NavigatingWithNVDA but if you are not already familiar with them, I'd strongly recommend the Basic Training for NVDA which goes into much more depth on them and has exercises and activities to practice your skills: https://www.nvaccess.org/product/basic-training-for-nvda-ebook/

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 5:58 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello,

 

I am looking for someone in Canada certified in NVDA training to work with me to see whether there is any way to use NVDA with the proprietary software used by the company I contract for. The program is supposedly only compatible with JAWS which I am using now. I have tried NVDA with no success. NVDA is so much faster and more responsive. I would really like to be able to use it if possible. This would involve sharing my screen as the software is tied to my computer. If this is something that you may be able to help me with, please contact me directly at jbrandly@.... I will compensate you for your time.

 

Thank you,

 

Janet Brandly


 

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Re: Changing to Thunderbird and threaded view

Blake Roberts <BEarlRoberts@...>
 

Daniel,
You can switch Thunderbird to threaded conversations by going into the TB View Menu (alt+v), Sort By submenu and turn the option on by checking "Threaded" checkbox. I tried threaded view briefly and chose to use "Unthreaded" instead.

I suggest that you join the Thunderbird group on groups.io to get feedback from TB users about how easy Threaded mode is. You can also  ask any additional TB questions there.
https://groups.io/g/thunderbird
Relevant email addresses for the Thunderbird group, including subscribing, are at the link above. The primary/intended audience is screen-reader users.


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Re: NVDA and OCR software

Dave Grossoehme
 

I tried to print it and received a few blank pieces of paper.  When looking farther I received an error that the document didn't completely loaded.

Dave


On 10/20/2021 3:50 PM, Gene wrote:
You say which needs to be esigned.  Does that mean scanned?  If you are printing it as an alternative, try opening the document and printing it in a browser such as Chrome, Edhge, Brave or Firefox.  I don’t know what is causing the problem but that may allow you to print it.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and OCR software
 

Good Afternoon:  I can open other PDF files with Adobe with no problem.  It's just this file, which needs to be esigned, that is causing a problem.  That's what seemed to be questionable.

Dave

 

On 10/18/2021 3:33 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 04:48 PM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:

When I open the pdf, I was told that it didn't load completely.  So, I tried again.  Then I tried printing it and all I received was blank pages, checked by a sighted person.  . . . Yet I sent this email with attachment to my sighted son, who isn't running any screen reading equipment and he could open it with no problems.

Dave

-
Then we are back to there is something wrong that is virtually certain to be limited to your computer, and I'd say most likely with your PDF reading software.

So, just as there is the consistent advice to "try another browser," when there are issues with a webpage, the same applies to PDF readers:  try another alternative.  Under Windows 10 the Edge browser itself does a bang-up job of opening PDFs, so I'd try opening that same document in Edge rather than Adobe Reader DC to see if the result is different.  If it is, then uninstall and reinstall Adobe Reader DC.  If it's not, then start doing the repair steps for Windows.


Re: Initial Speech Cutoff Using Bluetooth Headphones and NVDA

Gene
 

I would think that Silenzio might work.  I believe I read about an NVDA add-on that deals with this problem as well.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Initial Speech Cutoff Using Bluetooth Headphones and NVDA
 
hi  Bhavya,
there is some amount of loss in speech with nvda when using bluetooth headphones as far as I know there is no fix for it
 
 
On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 23:11, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Dear all,

I am currently using NVDA 2021.2 with the Bluetooth Audio add-on
installed and enabled on a Windows 10 machine. With it, I am using a
pair of Bluetooth headphones with my laptop, both of which are
Bluetooth 5.0 compatible. Still, from time to time, especially when I
am reading short stringgs like an alphabet or a monosyllable, the
initial bit of the speech is cut off. Are there any ways to minimize
the cutoff or fix it entirely? Please let me know.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/





 
 
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Re: NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"

Gene
 

You have allowed your question to be answered with the additional information.  With my punctuation level set to some, I hear dot if there is something wrong such as if I accidentally have typed two dots instead of one.  I am writing this as constructive criticism and not specifically to criticize you, since I see this happen many times.  When describing a problem, it is important to discuss the conditions and not leave things out.  What you currently stated is an important condition.
 
To hear no periods in the case you describe, dset punctuation level, set with Numpad key, p to none.  I never hear dot spoken no matter if the period is in a link or not with this setting.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"
 

If you are using the say all command or reading line by line , then maybe your punctuation level needs lowering, try setting it to some and see what happens then

 

 

From: Suhas Dharwad
Sent: 22 October 2021 16:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"

 

On 10/22/2021 19:28, Chris via groups.io wrote:

Possibly because Theres a dot at the end of the link, but without any examples its difficult to give an explanation why it says dot in your case

 

Hi,

I'm talking about when the dot is out of the link. For instance:

 

Goodreads

 

On 10/22/2021 19:45, Gene wrote:

I’m not sure why this is happening.  This may solvve the problem.

You can try setting the level for the actual symbol to high.  That means it will only be spoken in high.  I’m not talking about setting the general level.  There is more than one case for determining when a period is spoken. 

 

Ok, thanks for the suggestion. I will give it a try.

 

On 10/22/2021 20:33, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

It might be the synth. I don’t have that issue, and I’m using code factory’s elocrash. What  are you using, espeak, one core, etc?

 

I'm using One Core.  It's the same with SAPI5.

 

 

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On 10/22/2021 20:33, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

It might be the synth. I don’t have that issue, and I’m using code factory’s elocrash. What  are you using, espeak, one core, etc?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Suhas Dharwad
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 6:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA says "link dot" even when Symbol Level is Set to "some"

 

Hi everyone,

 

I've been wondering why NVDA says "dot" after reading a link on a web page or any where else, even when the say symbol is set to "some".

Are there any uses for this happening? Because I don't see any uses for this. Is  there a way to modify this behavior?

I tried using speech dictionary  to modify it, but without any success.

 

Thanks

 

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