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Re: crashes in the last few betas

Dan Beaver
 

Hi Joseph,


I do not know how to specify the exact steps to reproduce these crashes.  At least I assume they are crashes, I frequently hear a sound that sounds like 2 piano notes played in a descending direction. 

the only consistent time I hear them is when my system is booting. 


These most often happen when I am booting my system.  They play several times as it is loading.  Then later I will hear them as programs are coming up but not always.  It is very hit and miss.


I started hearing these sounds most often when I was using notepad plus plus. They would happen at every key stroke.  I updated the plug in and those stopped but they still happen in other programs from time to time.


I remember seeing posts about crashes a while back and assumed I was just experiencing the same kind of crashes.


As far as the debug steps Luke Davis suggested go I do not recall ever hearing of some of them.  I am not a developer so am probably just ignorant of them.   Is there a place to find out how to learn how to use them and where to find them?


I do not know if any of this helps but this is what I can provide at the moment.


 

Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)
On 5/9/2022 6:27 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: Explain "recipe for cooking crashes"]

Hi Dan,

Can you give us the recipe or two to "cook these crashes" please a.k.a. exact steps to reproduce if possible?

P.S. Poetry is fun, but be considerate when dealing with app crashes.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Task bar disappears after closing portable nvda

Quentin Christensen
 

I can't think of anything obvious - do you have any add-ons?  You mention you made a portable copy to take to your uncle - do you have NVDA installed, and if so, I assume that is NOT doing the same thing?


On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 4:28 AM farhan israk <fahim.net.2014@...> wrote:

Thank you. No, unless I restart windows explorer, task bar does not appear.


On Fri, 6 May 2022, 4:27 am Quentin Christensen, <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Farhan,

I just tried here and can't immediately replicate it.  I have seen previously - unrelated to NVDA - where explorer crashes, the taskbar can disappear or appear empty for a little while.  I've found when this happens in Windows 10, it usually sorts itself out after a few seconds, although the open windows may be in a different order to where they were previously.  Could it be something like that?   Does the taskbar come back after say 10 or 20 seconds?

Quentin.

On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 8:12 PM farhan israk <fahim.net.2014@...> wrote:
I am using windows 10 21h2 and nvda 2021.3.5. I have noticed a strange issue. Suppose I have turned on portable copy to check that this copy is working properly or not after creating portable copy. I am going to visit my uncle's house tomorrow. So, I created a portable copy. If I exit the portable copy after confirming everything is working and turn on the standard or normal copy, the taskbar disappears. I neither can focus the task bar pressing windows + t nor pressing tab several times after focusing desktop. However, I have not verified by a sighted person. So, I cannot say strongly that it really disappears or nvda cannot focus on it. I have to restart windows explorer from the task manager to bring it back. I have noticed this strange issue two times.



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Training and Support Manager



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Training and Support Manager


Re: Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

Luke Davis
 

Hi Larry

You wrote:
The primary reason for changing the subject line was not to annoy you or anybody else
It's not that I was personally annoied. It's that the practice of starting a new message thread is annoying. I will explain.

If anyone reading the list archives in a month or a year finds that message thread via a web search or whatever, they will now have no idea how it turned out, because the resolution is on a completely different thread that they won't know anything about. Well, unless Brian goes through the trouble of merging the two threads, which is never guaranteed.

Imagine that they are having the same problem, and thinking "oh great, I'm finally going to get an answer". They read through all the messages in the old thread, waiting to get to the one with the answer. Only they will be frustrated by just falling off the end without any resolution because the resolution has been kept from them by being put in some other thread, which they aren't reading.

A mailing list is a community. Sure you (the general you, not just you Larry) are asking for help for your particular problem, but you are also potentially helping anybody else who is having that problem. And because of list archives, you are helping anyone who might have it in the future. Please think of that time-smeared nature of mailing list exchanges, any time you are posting.

The solution to your little niggle today, could be the google search result that saves somebody's job in five years!

End rant. :)

Luke


Re: Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

Gene
 

You shouldn't change the subject line unless you are discussing an entirely new subject with no relation to the general one being discussed.  Subject lines tell what the topic of a message is.  They don't express ideas that should be in the message body.  If I have a problem and I solve it, I don't change the subject line to I solved it.  The message is still on the subject of the thread.  I solved it should be in the message body. 

Changing the subject line causes the archives not to be organized as well and if people are reading mail by conversation, it begins a new conversation. 

Gene


On 5/9/2022 6:24 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:

Luke,


I believe I did read your message, but I guess I didn't get the fact that one could simply type the header's designated number and get where you wished to go until Sarah pointed it out just a few minutes ago.


The primary reason for changing the subject line was not to annoy you or anybody else, but to let those, like you know that I did have something wrong, and although I didn't even then get it perfectly right, at least I was making progress.


No offense meant, your input was greatly appreciated,


And hey, I'm pushing the big 7'o here, so I'm going to have a senior brain fart every now and then.


Have a nice day and once again, thanks for your helpful advice.


Sincerely,


Larry



On 5/9/2022 3:39 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Larry Higgins wrote:

With WE, you type the designated header number before the H, where with JFW and NVDA, you type the H before the designated number.

Larry, as I explained to you yesterday, and Gene explained in more detail, this is just wrong.

You press the header number, or H, not both.

H is the general header command. It takes you to whatever the next header is.

The number commands, one through six, take you to the next header at that specific level.

If you use both, you will jump two headers.

You didn't knowledge either of my messages yesterday on this header topic (before you changed the subject line, which is very annoying, please don't do that), so I don't know if you read either of them, or the one Gene sent. Hopefully you read this one.

Luke











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Re: Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

Sarah k Alawami
 

There is an eq in vlc but if you have any questions please ask on the chat group.

Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Higgins
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2022 4:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

Sarah,


Wow!, thanks for the info on the headers. A bit of egg on my face, but it was worth it.


I may give VLC another try, but when I looked at it, not too long ago,
it lacked an equalizer, and again, there were no facilities for easy
access to streams, at least not as easy as Winamp. If you have any
pointers, I certainly would appreciate them.


And Foobar? I really don't relish having to build the thing from the
bottom up.


Now, if you have a keyboard configuration that you are fond of, maybe
you could send it along, and I could try installing, and giving it a go.
And if I felt I needed to make adjustments, at least I would have
something to work with.

Thanks again,


Larry


On 5/9/2022 2:58 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Lol. Use foo bar or vlc for yore listening. I like it in loo of win amp any time. Plus you can config the keys to fit what you want to do.

A slight correction on your findings. You do not do 2 h at all or even h 2. just do 2 in browse mode and you will be taken to the heading level 2 on that page and shift 2 to go back.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Higgins
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2022 6:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

Good and patient listers,


I'm quite sure now that I have figured out where my issue with headers stems from, and it is in the different way in which Window-Eyes handled headers on Web pages.


With WE, you type the designated header number before the H, where with JFW and NVDA, you type the H before the designated number.


To confuse things just a little, with NVDA, and JFW, if you type the 2
before the letter H, you are actually able to skip over headers, or in
the case of BARD and Bookshare, titles.


Anyway, my bad.


Now before anybody takes the opportunity to launch into me about still
making use of WE, if only someone would take it upon themselves to right
an equally convenient and sophisticated addon for Winamp, I would just
give it up altogether, at this point, most likely for NVDA. But until
someone does, I'll just have to keep using WE whenever I want to do any
serious music listening, which in my case is quite often <smile>.


I think my next project might be to learn how to use emojies.


Once again, thanks kindly for your assistance.


Larry














Re: Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

Larry Higgins
 

Luke,


I believe I did read your message, but I guess I didn't get the fact that one could simply type the header's designated number and get where you wished to go until Sarah pointed it out just a few minutes ago.


The primary reason for changing the subject line was not to annoy you or anybody else, but to let those, like you know that I did have something wrong, and although I didn't even then get it perfectly right, at least I was making progress.


No offense meant, your input was greatly appreciated,


And hey, I'm pushing the big 7'o here, so I'm going to have a senior brain fart every now and then.


Have a nice day and once again, thanks for your helpful advice.


Sincerely,


Larry

On 5/9/2022 3:39 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Larry Higgins wrote:

With WE, you type the designated header number before the H, where with JFW and NVDA, you type the H before the designated number.
Larry, as I explained to you yesterday, and Gene explained in more detail, this is just wrong.

You press the header number, or H, not both.

H is the general header command. It takes you to whatever the next header is.

The number commands, one through six, take you to the next header at that specific level.

If you use both, you will jump two headers.

You didn't knowledge either of my messages yesterday on this header topic (before you changed the subject line, which is very annoying, please don't do that), so I don't know if you read either of them, or the one Gene sent. Hopefully you read this one.

Luke





Re: I could really do with some help, NVDA is no longer reading out any content in my browsers, except Internet explorer and keeps saying chrome legacy window

 

It wouldn't hurt to know the Windows environment that's involved, too.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.  The most very basic information that is needed when issues are occurring includes:

Windows Version and Build 
NVDA Version
Version(s) of specific software where the issue is occurring.

Ideally, it would also include, in the case of web browser issues, a couple of URLs for pages where the issue is occurring, a description of what's actually happening, and  a description of what was expected that isn't happening.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed


Re: Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

Larry Higgins
 

It has been a while, but I once needed to play a DVD of a documentary, and VLC came to the rescue, but other than that ...

On 5/9/2022 3:03 PM, Gene wrote:

I doubt they are more convenient than Winamp.  I continue to use Winamp because it is so convenient.  I use other players for specific cases where they do something better or do something Winamp doesn't do, but for general use, I doubt anything is more convbenient and I don't know if another player is as convenient.

Gene

On 5/9/2022 3:00 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Lol. That’s because some of us are using players that are IMHO way better than and more up to date than winamp.  I did mention some in my last message so won’t again. And all of them are accessible without add ons.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Higgins
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2022 9:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

 

Do you happen to have a link handy for that utility?

 

I downloaded a utility of Carlos's a while ago, but don't now know just where i managed to put it, much less where I got it.

 

Believe me, if I can find alternative ways of accomplishing similar results and aren't more trouble than they are worth, I'll use them.

 

 Maybe I'll send off my suggestions to the developer of the addon when I find the time, it certainly wouldn't hurt. I just can't understand how anybody who has made use of Winamp and a screen reader wouldn't have ask about these gaps in access by now, but maybe I'll just have to be the first to do so.

 

On 5/9/2022 10:44 AM, Gene wrote:

the NVDA add-on doesn't have a time marker feature but there is a utility that allows you to create and go to time markers using Winamp.  It was developed by the late and missed Carlos.  It works whether you use a screen-reader or not. 

I'm not sure what you are discussing about jumping to different audio streams.  It may be that the Window-eyes add-on allows you to do so more quickly and conveniently, but Winamp has book marks. 

I am not aware of any way in Winamp or using the NVDA or JAWS Winamp add-ons to adjust how quickly you can move through a file using the left and right arrows.  But given the time marker setting ability and the very convenient jump by time feature in Winamp, I have never missed such a feature.  You, having used it, might miss having it.

I am not saying not to use Window-eyes when you use Winamp.  I'm saying that if you ask about things you think are missing in NVDA, you may find out about ways to do things you don't know.

Gene

On 5/9/2022 10:32 AM, Larry Higgins wrote:

Well now, let's see.

 

When using the addon, I saw no buttons on the number row that would take you to your chosen audio streams, no option for time  place markers for relocating your place in a large audio file, such as a recorded program, no adjustable incremental fast forward or    rewind, and for me that would be quite enough, although I'm sure there are even more features that I've never made any use of.

 

If an interested coder would take a look at that particular app, they could create quite a useful addon for NVDA.

 

And no, the bookmark menu just doesn't quite cut it for me. And I don't like having to fast forward and rewind in five second intervals. There are times when at least fifteen minute jumps are really the ticket.

 

Anyway, these are the conveniences I've become quite used too over the past twenty years or so, therefore, they are quite hard to give up.

 

Guess if I were a coder then I might do it myself, but, I am not.

 

I am not all that impressed with Foobar  or VLC.

 

Ah, I almost forgot, having access to spoken equalizer adjustments. 

 

 

On 5/9/2022 10:00 AM, Governor staten wrote:

There is an add--on for winamp in NVDA. Have you tried it? What's wrong with it?

 

 


 

On 5/9/2022 9:40 AM, Larry Higgins wrote:

 Good and patient listers,


I'm quite sure now that I have figured out where my issue with headers stems from, and it is in the different way in which Window-Eyes handled headers on Web pages.


With WE, you type the designated header number before the H, where with JFW and NVDA, you type the H before the designated number.


To confuse things just a little, with NVDA, and JFW, if you type the 2 before the letter H, you are actually able to skip over headers, or in the case of BARD and Bookshare, titles.


Anyway, my bad.


Now before anybody takes the opportunity to launch into me about still making use of WE, if only someone would take it upon themselves to right an equally convenient and sophisticated addon for Winamp, I would just give it up altogether, at this point, most likely for NVDA. But until someone does, I'll just have to keep using WE whenever I want to do any serious music listening, which in my case is quite often <smile>.


I think my next project might be to learn how to use emojies.


Once again, thanks kindly for your assistance.


Larry







 



Re: crashes in the last few betas

 

On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 06:44 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
How could we know that Dan, since we don't know anything about what you, or your machine, or the programs you're running, are doing to cause them? It's possible I could have missed it, but I don't recall hearing you ask about this situation before, or post any details.

Unfortunately, your question is unanswerable at the level of detail you've so far provided.
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This needs to be repeated, as many times as necessary, until the readership as a whole has integrated it into every fiber of their beings.

And the idea that you, Mr. Beaver, do not need to be lectured, and learn, fast, is out and out ludicrous.  What you have done is say I'm having unspecified problems with unspecified programs and I want specific answers about their being fixed.  Clue:  Ain't EVER gonna happen.  I wrote the following months ago, and you give a textbook example of history repeating itself:
---------------

Saying to a potential assistant, "I got an error message, can you fix it," is akin to telling someone who can't see you and has no idea where you are on the surface of the earth, "I live on land, can you find me."

Specificity is necessary, not optional, when tech solutions are being sought.  That's the point I'm trying to make.

      ~ Brian Vogel, in topic, Can't uninstall NVDA 2021.2 from Windows 10 21h1, Jan. 13, 2022
------------

There is a process to error reporting, and as someone who has elected, and you have elected, to use beta software you had ought to take the time to learn what that process is.  The NVDA developers are not telepathic and cannot possibly fix anything based on these sorts of vague complaints.

Luke Davis and Joseph Lee have both pointed out just how lacking in specificity your complaints are, and it is up to you to provide the necessary details.

 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed


Re: Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

Larry Higgins
 

Sarah,


Wow!, thanks for the info on the headers. A bit of egg on my face, but it was worth it.


I may give VLC another try, but when I looked at it, not too long ago, it lacked an equalizer, and again, there were no facilities for easy access to streams, at least not as easy as Winamp. If you have any pointers, I certainly would appreciate them.


And Foobar? I really don't relish having to build the thing from the bottom up.


Now, if you have a keyboard configuration that you are fond of, maybe you could send it along, and I could try installing, and giving it a go. And if I felt I needed to make adjustments, at least I would have something to work with.

Thanks again,


Larry

On 5/9/2022 2:58 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Lol. Use foo bar or vlc for yore listening. I like it in loo of win amp any time. Plus you can config the keys to fit what you want to do.

A slight correction on your findings. You do not do 2 h at all or even h 2. just do 2 in browse mode and you will be taken to the heading level 2 on that page and shift 2 to go back.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Higgins
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2022 6:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

Good and patient listers,


I'm quite sure now that I have figured out where my issue with headers stems from, and it is in the different way in which Window-Eyes handled headers on Web pages.


With WE, you type the designated header number before the H, where with JFW and NVDA, you type the H before the designated number.


To confuse things just a little, with NVDA, and JFW, if you type the 2
before the letter H, you are actually able to skip over headers, or in
the case of BARD and Bookshare, titles.


Anyway, my bad.


Now before anybody takes the opportunity to launch into me about still
making use of WE, if only someone would take it upon themselves to right
an equally convenient and sophisticated addon for Winamp, I would just
give it up altogether, at this point, most likely for NVDA. But until
someone does, I'll just have to keep using WE whenever I want to do any
serious music listening, which in my case is quite often <smile>.


I think my next project might be to learn how to use emojies.


Once again, thanks kindly for your assistance.


Larry













Re: crashes in the last few betas

Luke Davis
 

Dan Beaver wrote:

I have the latest beta running under Windows 10.0.19043.1645.  I am experiencing numerous crashes.  Are these going to be fixed in the next stable release? 
How could we know that Dan, since we don't know anything about what you, or your machine, or the programs you're running, are doing to cause them? It's possible I could have missed it, but I don't recall hearing you ask about this situation before, or post any details.

Unfortunately, your question is unanswerable at the level of detail you've so far provided.

To find out whether the crashes will stop, we will first need to figure out why they are happening.

Have you done any of the normal debugging steps, such as:
Starting NVDA with add-ons disabled?
Running the COM Registration Fixing Tool?
Uninstalling and re-installing NVDA?
Posting questions describing the circumstances of your crashes to NVDA mailing lists?
Running "DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth" at an elevated command prompt?
Running "sfc /scannow" at an elevated command prompt?
Posting a description of your crashes, what programs you were running at the time, along with a debug level log from NVDA, on NVDA's GitHub bug trackker at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new/choose

Luke


Re: I could really do with some help, NVDA is no longer reading out any content in my browsers, except Internet explorer and keeps saying chrome legacy window

 

Hi,

I'm afraid we're missing what I might call the "biggest puzzle piece" here - please tell us the version of Chrome and Edge you have.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: crashes in the last few betas

 
Edited

Hi Dan,

Can you give us the recipe or two to "cook these crashes" please a.k.a. exact steps to reproduce if possible?

P.S. Poetry is fun, but be considerate when dealing with app crashes.

Cheers,

Joseph


crashes in the last few betas

Dan Beaver
 

I have the latest beta running under Windows 10.0.19043.1645.  I am experiencing numerous crashes.  Are these going to be fixed in the next stable release?  If not then I think I may go back to the previous past stable release because I only installed this beta to see if it would work better with a program I recently obtained.  It doesn't so it isn't needed.


No need to lecture me on the fact that I can go back anyway, I am just trying to find out if these are being fixed or not.

 


-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

Luke Davis
 

Larry Higgins wrote:

With WE, you type the designated header number before the H, where with JFW and NVDA, you type the H before the designated number.
Larry, as I explained to you yesterday, and Gene explained in more detail, this is just wrong.

You press the header number, or H, not both.

H is the general header command. It takes you to whatever the next header is.

The number commands, one through six, take you to the next header at that specific level.

If you use both, you will jump two headers.

You didn't knowledge either of my messages yesterday on this header topic (before you changed the subject line, which is very annoying, please don't do that), so I don't know if you read either of them, or the one Gene sent. Hopefully you read this one.

Luke


Re: Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

Gene
 

I doubt they are more convenient than Winamp.  I continue to use Winamp because it is so convenient.  I use other players for specific cases where they do something better or do something Winamp doesn't do, but for general use, I doubt anything is more convbenient and I don't know if another player is as convenient.

Gene

On 5/9/2022 3:00 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Lol. That’s because some of us are using players that are IMHO way better than and more up to date than winamp.  I did mention some in my last message so won’t again. And all of them are accessible without add ons.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Higgins
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2022 9:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

 

Do you happen to have a link handy for that utility?

 

I downloaded a utility of Carlos's a while ago, but don't now know just where i managed to put it, much less where I got it.

 

Believe me, if I can find alternative ways of accomplishing similar results and aren't more trouble than they are worth, I'll use them.

 

 Maybe I'll send off my suggestions to the developer of the addon when I find the time, it certainly wouldn't hurt. I just can't understand how anybody who has made use of Winamp and a screen reader wouldn't have ask about these gaps in access by now, but maybe I'll just have to be the first to do so.

 

On 5/9/2022 10:44 AM, Gene wrote:

the NVDA add-on doesn't have a time marker feature but there is a utility that allows you to create and go to time markers using Winamp.  It was developed by the late and missed Carlos.  It works whether you use a screen-reader or not. 

I'm not sure what you are discussing about jumping to different audio streams.  It may be that the Window-eyes add-on allows you to do so more quickly and conveniently, but Winamp has book marks. 

I am not aware of any way in Winamp or using the NVDA or JAWS Winamp add-ons to adjust how quickly you can move through a file using the left and right arrows.  But given the time marker setting ability and the very convenient jump by time feature in Winamp, I have never missed such a feature.  You, having used it, might miss having it.

I am not saying not to use Window-eyes when you use Winamp.  I'm saying that if you ask about things you think are missing in NVDA, you may find out about ways to do things you don't know.

Gene

On 5/9/2022 10:32 AM, Larry Higgins wrote:

Well now, let's see.

 

When using the addon, I saw no buttons on the number row that would take you to your chosen audio streams, no option for time  place markers for relocating your place in a large audio file, such as a recorded program, no adjustable incremental fast forward or    rewind, and for me that would be quite enough, although I'm sure there are even more features that I've never made any use of.

 

If an interested coder would take a look at that particular app, they could create quite a useful addon for NVDA.

 

And no, the bookmark menu just doesn't quite cut it for me. And I don't like having to fast forward and rewind in five second intervals. There are times when at least fifteen minute jumps are really the ticket.

 

Anyway, these are the conveniences I've become quite used too over the past twenty years or so, therefore, they are quite hard to give up.

 

Guess if I were a coder then I might do it myself, but, I am not.

 

I am not all that impressed with Foobar  or VLC.

 

Ah, I almost forgot, having access to spoken equalizer adjustments. 

 

 

On 5/9/2022 10:00 AM, Governor staten wrote:

There is an add--on for winamp in NVDA. Have you tried it? What's wrong with it?

 

 


 

On 5/9/2022 9:40 AM, Larry Higgins wrote:

 Good and patient listers,


I'm quite sure now that I have figured out where my issue with headers stems from, and it is in the different way in which Window-Eyes handled headers on Web pages.


With WE, you type the designated header number before the H, where with JFW and NVDA, you type the H before the designated number.


To confuse things just a little, with NVDA, and JFW, if you type the 2 before the letter H, you are actually able to skip over headers, or in the case of BARD and Bookshare, titles.


Anyway, my bad.


Now before anybody takes the opportunity to launch into me about still making use of WE, if only someone would take it upon themselves to right an equally convenient and sophisticated addon for Winamp, I would just give it up altogether, at this point, most likely for NVDA. But until someone does, I'll just have to keep using WE whenever I want to do any serious music listening, which in my case is quite often <smile>.


I think my next project might be to learn how to use emojies.


Once again, thanks kindly for your assistance.


Larry







 



Re: Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

Sarah k Alawami
 

Lol. That’s because some of us are using players that are IMHO way better than and more up to date than winamp.  I did mention some in my last message so won’t again. And all of them are accessible without add ons.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Higgins
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2022 9:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

 

Do you happen to have a link handy for that utility?

 

I downloaded a utility of Carlos's a while ago, but don't now know just where i managed to put it, much less where I got it.

 

Believe me, if I can find alternative ways of accomplishing similar results and aren't more trouble than they are worth, I'll use them.

 

 Maybe I'll send off my suggestions to the developer of the addon when I find the time, it certainly wouldn't hurt. I just can't understand how anybody who has made use of Winamp and a screen reader wouldn't have ask about these gaps in access by now, but maybe I'll just have to be the first to do so.

 

On 5/9/2022 10:44 AM, Gene wrote:

the NVDA add-on doesn't have a time marker feature but there is a utility that allows you to create and go to time markers using Winamp.  It was developed by the late and missed Carlos.  It works whether you use a screen-reader or not. 

I'm not sure what you are discussing about jumping to different audio streams.  It may be that the Window-eyes add-on allows you to do so more quickly and conveniently, but Winamp has book marks. 

I am not aware of any way in Winamp or using the NVDA or JAWS Winamp add-ons to adjust how quickly you can move through a file using the left and right arrows.  But given the time marker setting ability and the very convenient jump by time feature in Winamp, I have never missed such a feature.  You, having used it, might miss having it.

I am not saying not to use Window-eyes when you use Winamp.  I'm saying that if you ask about things you think are missing in NVDA, you may find out about ways to do things you don't know.

Gene

On 5/9/2022 10:32 AM, Larry Higgins wrote:

Well now, let's see.

 

When using the addon, I saw no buttons on the number row that would take you to your chosen audio streams, no option for time  place markers for relocating your place in a large audio file, such as a recorded program, no adjustable incremental fast forward or    rewind, and for me that would be quite enough, although I'm sure there are even more features that I've never made any use of.

 

If an interested coder would take a look at that particular app, they could create quite a useful addon for NVDA.

 

And no, the bookmark menu just doesn't quite cut it for me. And I don't like having to fast forward and rewind in five second intervals. There are times when at least fifteen minute jumps are really the ticket.

 

Anyway, these are the conveniences I've become quite used too over the past twenty years or so, therefore, they are quite hard to give up.

 

Guess if I were a coder then I might do it myself, but, I am not.

 

I am not all that impressed with Foobar  or VLC.

 

Ah, I almost forgot, having access to spoken equalizer adjustments. 

 

 

On 5/9/2022 10:00 AM, Governor staten wrote:

There is an add--on for winamp in NVDA. Have you tried it? What's wrong with it?

 

 


 

On 5/9/2022 9:40 AM, Larry Higgins wrote:

 Good and patient listers,


I'm quite sure now that I have figured out where my issue with headers stems from, and it is in the different way in which Window-Eyes handled headers on Web pages.


With WE, you type the designated header number before the H, where with JFW and NVDA, you type the H before the designated number.


To confuse things just a little, with NVDA, and JFW, if you type the 2 before the letter H, you are actually able to skip over headers, or in the case of BARD and Bookshare, titles.


Anyway, my bad.


Now before anybody takes the opportunity to launch into me about still making use of WE, if only someone would take it upon themselves to right an equally convenient and sophisticated addon for Winamp, I would just give it up altogether, at this point, most likely for NVDA. But until someone does, I'll just have to keep using WE whenever I want to do any serious music listening, which in my case is quite often <smile>.


I think my next project might be to learn how to use emojies.


Once again, thanks kindly for your assistance.


Larry







 


Re: Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

Sarah k Alawami
 

Lol. Use foo bar or vlc for yore listening. I like it in loo of win amp any time. Plus you can config the keys to fit what you want to do.

A slight correction on your findings. You do not do 2 h at all or even h 2. just do 2 in browse mode and you will be taken to the heading level 2 on that page and shift 2 to go back.

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Subject: [nvda] Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

Good and patient listers,


I'm quite sure now that I have figured out where my issue with headers stems from, and it is in the different way in which Window-Eyes handled headers on Web pages.


With WE, you type the designated header number before the H, where with JFW and NVDA, you type the H before the designated number.


To confuse things just a little, with NVDA, and JFW, if you type the 2
before the letter H, you are actually able to skip over headers, or in
the case of BARD and Bookshare, titles.


Anyway, my bad.


Now before anybody takes the opportunity to launch into me about still
making use of WE, if only someone would take it upon themselves to right
an equally convenient and sophisticated addon for Winamp, I would just
give it up altogether, at this point, most likely for NVDA. But until
someone does, I'll just have to keep using WE whenever I want to do any
serious music listening, which in my case is quite often <smile>.


I think my next project might be to learn how to use emojies.


Once again, thanks kindly for your assistance.


Larry


I could really do with some help, NVDA is no longer reading out any content in my browsers, except Internet explorer and keeps saying chrome legacy window

Khalid Anwar
 

At the moment, NVDA is just not really reading out any information in Microsoft edge or Google Chrome, Though Internet explorer still works, I’ve tried loading narrator and while there is a bit of a delay in the speech, it still works. Occasionally though, NVDA will announce chrome legacy window for no apparent reason.
I’ve tried running the fixing tool and I’m running the latest version 2021.3.5 and of course I restarted the computer and NVDA itself multiple times both with and without the add-ons but nothing seems to work.


Re: Header issue with Bookshare and BARD pages, my bad

Larry Higgins
 

Got it! Thanks a whole bunch!

On 5/9/2022 11:20 AM, Gene wrote:

Here is a Dropbox link.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/12ls84nh7hj5h4w/Winamp%20Time%20Markers.exe?dl=1

Also, although the program is not intended for use as a portable program, since I now know that I can use it to play streams, more or less like using book marks, I wanted to see if I could just place the folder on another machine, copied from the machine it is already on.

I did so.  When I ran the utility, I got an error message about a script.  I answered yes to the message about running the script.  The utility works perfectly on the new machine after you say yes each time you run it.  The streams I have placed in the program run so I can back up the program and save all the streams to be played in that way. 

Gene
On 5/9/2022 11:04 AM, Larry Higgins wrote:

Do you happen to have a link handy for that utility?


I downloaded a utility of Carlos's a while ago, but don't now know just where i managed to put it, much less where I got it.


Believe me, if I can find alternative ways of accomplishing similar results and aren't more trouble than they are worth, I'll use them.


 Maybe I'll send off my suggestions to the developer of the addon when I find the time, it certainly wouldn't hurt. I just can't understand how anybody who has made use of Winamp and a screen reader wouldn't have ask about these gaps in access by now, but maybe I'll just have to be the first to do so.


On 5/9/2022 10:44 AM, Gene wrote:
the NVDA add-on doesn't have a time marker feature but there is a utility that allows you to create and go to time markers using Winamp.  It was developed by the late and missed Carlos.  It works whether you use a screen-reader or not. 

I'm not sure what you are discussing about jumping to different audio streams.  It may be that the Window-eyes add-on allows you to do so more quickly and conveniently, but Winamp has book marks. 

I am not aware of any way in Winamp or using the NVDA or JAWS Winamp add-ons to adjust how quickly you can move through a file using the left and right arrows.  But given the time marker setting ability and the very convenient jump by time feature in Winamp, I have never missed such a feature.  You, having used it, might miss having it.

I am not saying not to use Window-eyes when you use Winamp.  I'm saying that if you ask about things you think are missing in NVDA, you may find out about ways to do things you don't know.

Gene

On 5/9/2022 10:32 AM, Larry Higgins wrote:

Well now, let's see.


When using the addon, I saw no buttons on the number row that would take you to your chosen audio streams, no option for time  place markers for relocating your place in a large audio file, such as a recorded program, no adjustable incremental fast forward or    rewind, and for me that would be quite enough, although I'm sure there are even more features that I've never made any use of.


If an interested coder would take a look at that particular app, they could create quite a useful addon for NVDA.


And no, the bookmark menu just doesn't quite cut it for me. And I don't like having to fast forward and rewind in five second intervals. There are times when at least fifteen minute jumps are really the ticket.


Anyway, these are the conveniences I've become quite used too over the past twenty years or so, therefore, they are quite hard to give up.


Guess if I were a coder then I might do it myself, but, I am not.


I am not all that impressed with Foobar  or VLC.


Ah, I almost forgot, having access to spoken equalizer adjustments. 



On 5/9/2022 10:00 AM, Governor staten wrote:

There is an add--on for winamp in NVDA. Have you tried it? What's wrong with it?





On 5/9/2022 9:40 AM, Larry Higgins wrote:
 Good and patient listers,


I'm quite sure now that I have figured out where my issue with headers stems from, and it is in the different way in which Window-Eyes handled headers on Web pages.


With WE, you type the designated header number before the H, where with JFW and NVDA, you type the H before the designated number.


To confuse things just a little, with NVDA, and JFW, if you type the 2 before the letter H, you are actually able to skip over headers, or in the case of BARD and Bookshare, titles.


Anyway, my bad.


Now before anybody takes the opportunity to launch into me about still making use of WE, if only someone would take it upon themselves to right an equally convenient and sophisticated addon for Winamp, I would just give it up altogether, at this point, most likely for NVDA. But until someone does, I'll just have to keep using WE whenever I want to do any serious music listening, which in my case is quite often <smile>.


I think my next project might be to learn how to use emojies.


Once again, thanks kindly for your assistance.


Larry