Congratulations Gene! A great article, and accompanying picture. (The
picture with the article shows Gene working at his computer but turned to
his left to face the camera).

From all of us at NV Access, we're very proud of you, and all our experts!

Quentin.

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Gene New Zealand <
hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi guys


I had a phone call this morning from a local newspaper who came out to do
an interview out of the blue.
It is about the first person in New Zealand getting the NVDA expert
certification. I was a bit surprised, but pretty happy with the article
itself!

The article is about the certificate and some other NVDA related articles
and a little bit pointing towards the Accessibility Central website where
people can find more information on NVDA and other blindness related
topics.

So, hopefully NVaccess has some more hits coming their way as well as the
word getting out more about NVDA!

Here is a link to the article below.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/94132707/stratford-man-
becomes-new-zealands-expert-on-international-screenreading-programme


Gene NZ

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Or maybe its one of the addons you have installed or not installed in nvda

Try disabling them to see if that helps

Dear NVDA community:



For those on NVDA users and add-ons lists: a few days ago I announced
Project Hidden Singer/Big Bang, a project to restructure code in Windows 10
App Essentials and say goodbye to old workarounds. This is partly motivated
by the fact that, with NVDA 2017.3, features from this add-on will make
their debut as part of the screen reader itself, so the add-on is no longer
required for some major tasks. The below announcement is just a first step
in this project, with the complete picture emerging by September 2017.



Announcement text:



As part of NVDA 2017.3, NV Access, together with Joseph Lee, a Windows
Insider and a noted NVDA expert in United States, have developed a set of
features designed to improve user experience for Windows 10 users using
NVDA. Prior to the upcoming release, an add-on called Windows 10 app
Essentials have included features such as sounds to indicate appearance of
search suggestions, announcing top search suggestion in braille and various
workarounds for Windows 10 and various universal apps. Joseph, the author
of
the Windows 10 App Essentials, is delighted to announce that these features
will be part of upcoming NVDA 2017.3, scheduled to hit the air sometime in
August 2017.



As part of this work, I (Joseph Lee) would like to announce three important
things:



1. A fall release of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on will require NVDA
2017.3. This will be in place no later than October 2017.
2. For those using NVDA snapshots (master and/or next), a new "pilot
development" channel will be introduced. You may occasionally hear
references to "try builds", "fast ring snapshots" and what not, but in
context of this add-on, it all refers to the pilot channel. This channel
will not show up in update channel list, as this channel is designed to
receive continuous feedback i.e. this channel requires NVDA snapshots.
Anyone using development channel of this add-on along with NVDA master or
next snapshots will be moved to this channel, as code in this channel parts
ways with compatibility layer code, as changes made to NVDA snapshots will
be reflected in these builds. If you are using Windows 10 App Essentials
development snapshots under NVDA stable (2017.2, for example), you'll stay
in development channel (sometimes called "slow ring") in order to preserve
compatibility layer routines.
3. Speaking of snapshot combinations: starting from June 28th
WinTenApps snapshot, those on pilot development channel will get a build
that is equivalent to NVDA next snapshots. This snapshot removes
compatibility layer in place for search suggestion announcement, as this is
no longer required if you are on latest master and/or next snapshots as
NVDA
itself will handle this for you.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

Hi,
Nasrin and Mohammadreza,
While I am glad that both of you have discovered means of accessing
the blog, I remain concerned about the fact that Wordpress isn't
considered secure in Iran. Do you have any alternatives you may like
to suggest in hopes of addressing/resolving this issue somewhat to a
limited extent from my end? What I am thinking is that if you could
follow the blog just once by going on to my blog's homepage
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com and inputting your e-mail address
in the given field. Once following, you will receive an e-mail copy of
the blog post in your Inbox itself, eliminating the need to even open
Wordpress. Let me know whether that is feasible/functional as a
work-around or not.

Gene,
I firmly agree that screen layout should be off by default, but NV
Access's current argument to support the current default state is that
the out-of-the-box experience NVDA desires to provide is one extremely
similar to how a sighted individual interacts with the computer, an
argument that I do not find sufficiently compelling, in my personal
opinion. I also somewhat agree that the defaults should be speech
feedback over sound feedback, but I guess that still is somewhat
debatable. Having said that, I don't think block quotes should be off
by default nor that settings should not be automatically saved by
default. Block quotes are judiciously used by web authors to make
citations or to apply slight emphasis, and automatic settings saving
is hardly a question in my mind.
Just to clarify though, I still recommend screen layout in Wikipedia
and its likes because a say all would be quite impractical when
intending to consume such huge chunks of data. Arrowing is the more
obvious navigation method, at least with respect to my experiences, to
slowly and steadily peruse a huge encyclopedic entry.

Pascal,
I doubt if the MS Word crash you describe has any pertinence to the
blog post contents themselves. Unfortunately, I have no ideas to share
in relation to what you highlight, but given that you have made a
plain Notepad text file as a container for the blog post, hope all
stays well.

Kevin,
Glad you unearthed one of those treasures located deep down in the NVDA
land...

Thanks.

On 6/27/17, Kevin Huber <kevin.huber1@...> wrote:

Hi Gene:

I agree with most of your comments about defaults in NVDA, except for
the Block Quotes. I think that although most people may not need such
a thing, some people might, and if they were off, these people
wouldn't know that they are there.
Those of us who know how to turn them off can easily do so.

By the way, thanks for that blog post, I just learned about some
features that I didn't know even existed.
Kevin Huber

On 6/27/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

hi gene.
thanks for your helpful informations.
i aggree with you about default settings.
thanks so much and God bless you.

On 6/27/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

If you read using speak to end, it doesn't matter how many links there
are.
Reading is not affected. If you don't use read to end and down arrow
through the text, using screen layout may improve matters but it makes
no
sense for people to read in that way.

Screen layout, according to brief comments I saw in an e-mail list
discussion years ago may make web forums easier to navigate but I
strongly
believe that the other option, placing links and controls on their own
lines
should be the default. Which raises the question of how it's decided
what
defaults should be? Clearly, using sounds instead of audio
notification
of
browse or forms mode is not a good default, considering the number of
new
users who will have no idea what such sounds mean and who have enough
trouble learning everything else without having sounds where audio
notification would help far more in learning and reinforcement. Save
settings on exit should not be the default. While learning and
experimenting, users might accidentally save settings they have no
intention
of saving. Why are block quotes set to be spoken? Almost no one cares
about such arcane marks.

As I said, who decides these sorts of things. Defaults should be
determined
by the needs of inexperienced users. If long time users don't know how
to
change such settings, they might get some incentive to learn more about
the
program.


Gene
----- Original Message -----
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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Blog Post: Top 5 NVDA Tips and Tricks You Need To
Know


i opened it with internet explorer and read it saved it as html.
thanks for your great tutorial.
but why is not compatible with firefox?
and could you please explane more why its better to use screen layout
in wikipedia?
its an interesting point and i did not know it.
i wish more and more these tips.

On 6/27/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

hi.
i tested with two versions of firefox and the result was error for
loading
page.
i tested with internet explorer and recieved this message!

This page contains both secure and nonsecure items.

Do you want to display the nonsecure items?
yes no

On 6/27/17, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:

Hi Nasrin,
Could you try this with a different browser perhaps? The blog is
hosted on Wordpress, so I doubt WP would be giving any problems from
the server-side. Can someone else please test the functionality of
the
URL I have provided in my earlier messages? Feedback from a third
party may help us in better understanding what exactly is going on.
Thanks.

On 6/27/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

hi.
i tested again today and does not work for me.
i tested both by enter in the link and also copying the link in a
new
tab.

On 6/27/17, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:

Hi Nasrin,
That is quite strange. The blog post has received successful
viewership from all places so far, and I am uncertain as to why it
might not be working at your end. Could you give it another try by
copying the URL into your browser's address bar -
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/06/26/top-5-nvda-tips-and-tricks-you-need-to-know/
?
Thanks.

On 6/26/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

hi.
thanks for your great post.
i tried it but it says problem loading page try again.
i tried it many times and the result is the same.
God bless you.

On 6/26/17, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:

Dear all,
All programs and software have some of those features which get
mentioned too rarely for what they are worth. Screen layout,
audio
and
speech feedback for mode changes, customization of all NVDA sound
schemes, the unbound Document Formatting settings shortcuts and
the
wide-ranging speech synthesizer support of the NVDA screen
reader,
the
software package that enables my computer access, are my top 5
picks
for NVDA tips and tricks. Whether you are a novice to NVDA or a
proclaimed screen reading master, learn a few things anew by
checking
out my latest Hiking Across Horizons blog post titled ‘Top 5 NVDA
Tips
and Tricks You Need To Know’.
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al-islam.org

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al-islam.org

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Hi guys
                                                                                             
I had a phone call this morning from a local newspaper who came out to do an interview out of the blue.
It is about the first person in New Zealand getting the NVDA expert certification.
I was a bit surprised!

The article is about the certificate and some other NVDA related articles and a little bit pointing towards the Accessibility Central website where people can find more information on NVDA and other blindness related topics.

So, hopefully NVaccess has some more hits coming their way also.

 
https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/94132707/stratford-man-becomes-new-zealands-expert-on-international-screenreading-programme

I was also a bit annoyed to find so many laptops on sale where the function keys are no longer function keys and in order to become them need a custom key labelled fn tobe held down, making some commands almost impossible. Unfortuunately with a lot of these things these days you seem to need a sighted person to fix such things as the only way to do it is in the bios or whatever its called these days Gaming and media playing seem to have hijacked standard keyboard functions.
In the old days one could alter a text file used at boot up to say things liik
numlock=off
to change how a machine boots up its a great pity that this functionallity was not brought up to date on machines so we could change them easily.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] An interesting suggestion for NVDA.


Hi Florian,


If you setup NVDA to use the "Laptop" keyboard layout, it uses different keystrokes which don't expect a number pad. Some of the other regular keystrokes are different too, such as NVDA+a to read all (instead of NVDA+down arrow) and NVDA+l to read the current line (rather than NVDA+up arrow). Particularly see the following sections of the User Guide:


Object navigation: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#ObjectNavigation
Review cursor: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#ReviewingText


The other keys are scattered throughout the User Guide.



Regards


Quentin.






On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Florian Ionașcu <florianionascu@...> wrote:

Hi everyone!
Do you know the functions of numpad keys? For example, Numpad5 Speaks
the word of the current navigator object where the review cursor is
situated. Pressing twice spells the word. Pressing three times spells
the word using character descriptions.
However, there is a problem. Some laptops such as laptops for gaming
don't have 2 home keys, 2 end keys and 2 page up and page down keys, or
they don't have a key for toggling the numlock on and off and they can
come with the numlock on as default, without providing the possibility
of its deactivation. What can you do in these situations?
Another question: Do you know the NVDA rotor that can be used with
NVDA+Control+arrows? Well, a member of Romanian community suggested the
adding of these functions to NVDA's rotor. What do you think about that?
Cheers,
Florian










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Hi joseph

I am a single handedperson so to be able to use my laptop keyboard I need to use the sticky keys.  

My problem is that I am noticing that the sticky keys are interfering with the capslock, 

And the other problem is when I come for example to press the insert plus f12 twice to check the date it doesn’t work.

And that happens also with the other commands that we have to press them once, twice and more to do do certain things.

In my opinion the sticky keys are not working as they should with NVDA.

Can you please do something about it to be resolved?

I hope you will be able to understand what I mean.

Thanks in advance

Anthony  

Dear NVDA community:

For those on NVDA users and add-ons lists: a few days ago I announced Project Hidden Singer/Big Bang, a project to restructure code in Windows 10 App Essentials and say goodbye to old workarounds. This is partly motivated by the fact that, with NVDA 2017.3, features from this add-on will make their debut as part of the screen reader itself, so the add-on is no longer required for some major tasks. The below announcement is just a first step in this project, with the complete picture emerging by September 2017.

Announcement text:

As part of NVDA 2017.3, NV Access, together with Joseph Lee, a Windows Insider and a noted NVDA expert in United States, have developed a set of features designed to improve user experience for Windows 10 users using NVDA. Prior to the upcoming release, an add-on called Windows 10 app Essentials have included features such as sounds to indicate appearance of search suggestions, announcing top search suggestion in braille and various workarounds for Windows 10 and various universal apps. Joseph, the author of the Windows 10 App Essentials, is delighted to announce that these features will be part of upcoming NVDA 2017.3, scheduled to hit the air sometime in August 2017.

As part of this work, I (Joseph Lee) would like to announce three important things:

1. A fall release of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on will require NVDA 2017.3. This will be in place no later than October 2017.
2. For those using NVDA snapshots (master and/or next), a new “pilot development” channel will be introduced. You may occasionally hear references to “try builds”, “fast ring snapshots” and what not, but in context of this add-on, it all refers to the pilot channel. This channel will not show up in update channel list, as this channel is designed to receive continuous feedback i.e. this channel requires NVDA snapshots. Anyone using development channel of this add-on along with NVDA master or next snapshots will be moved to this channel, as code in this channel parts ways with compatibility layer code, as changes made to NVDA snapshots will be reflected in these builds. If you are using Windows 10 App Essentials development snapshots under NVDA stable (2017.2, for example), you’ll stay in development channel (sometimes called “slow ring”) in order to preserve compatibility layer routines.
3. Speaking of snapshot combinations: starting from June 28^th WinTenApps snapshot, those on pilot development channel will get a build that is equivalent to NVDA next snapshots. This snapshot removes compatibility layer in place for search suggestion announcement, as this is no longer required if you are on latest master and/or next snapshots as NVDA itself will handle this for you.

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

Dear NVDA community:

For those on NVDA users and add-ons lists: a few days ago I announced Project Hidden Singer/Big Bang, a project to restructure code in Windows 10 App Essentials and say goodbye to old workarounds. This is partly motivated by the fact that, with NVDA 2017.3, features from this add-on will make their debut as part of the screen reader itself, so the add-on is no longer required for some major tasks. The below announcement is just a first step in this project, with the complete picture emerging by September 2017.

Announcement text:

As part of NVDA 2017.3, NV Access, together with Joseph Lee, a Windows Insider and a noted NVDA expert in United States, have developed a set of features designed to improve user experience for Windows 10 users using NVDA. Prior to the upcoming release, an add-on called Windows 10 app Essentials have included features such as sounds to indicate appearance of search suggestions, announcing top search suggestion in braille and various workarounds for Windows 10 and various universal apps. Joseph, the author of the Windows 10 App Essentials, is delighted to announce that these features will be part of upcoming NVDA 2017.3, scheduled to hit the air sometime in August 2017.

As part of this work, I (Joseph Lee) would like to announce three important things:

1. A fall release of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on will require NVDA 2017.3. This will be in place no later than October 2017.
2. For those using NVDA snapshots (master and/or next), a new “pilot development” channel will be introduced. You may occasionally hear references to “try builds”, “fast ring snapshots” and what not, but in context of this add-on, it all refers to the pilot channel. This channel will not show up in update channel list, as this channel is designed to receive continuous feedback i.e. this channel requires NVDA snapshots. Anyone using development channel of this add-on along with NVDA master or next snapshots will be moved to this channel, as code in this channel parts ways with compatibility layer code, as changes made to NVDA snapshots will be reflected in these builds. If you are using Windows 10 App Essentials development snapshots under NVDA stable (2017.2, for example), you’ll stay in development channel (sometimes called “slow ring”) in order to preserve compatibility layer routines.
3. Speaking of snapshot combinations: starting from June 28^th WinTenApps snapshot, those on pilot development channel will get a build that is equivalent to NVDA next snapshots. This snapshot removes compatibility layer in place for search suggestion announcement, as this is no longer required if you are on latest master and/or next snapshots as NVDA itself will handle this for you.

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

Nope, not at all. Yesterday it read the list, today it doesn't. It is
possible that an auto Office update broke it, but it has only broken NVDA,
no other screen reader.



All the best



Steve



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So what has changed in the meantime. One assumes you have done all the
usual
things like rebooting etc

Have you changed the view or done any updates etc?

Brian


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Hi,



All of a sudden, NVDA has stopped reading the message list in Outlook
2016.
Window-Eyes, JAWS and Supernova, all read it fine. Anyone have any ideas?



Thanks.



All the best



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Nope, not at all. Yesterday it read the list, today it doesn't. It is
possible that an auto Office update broke it, but it has only broken NVDA,
no other screen reader.



All the best



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So what has changed in the meantime. One assumes you have done all the
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things like rebooting etc

Have you changed the view or done any updates etc?

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All of a sudden, NVDA has stopped reading the message list in Outlook
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Window-Eyes, JAWS and Supernova, all read it fine. Anyone have any ideas?



Thanks.



All the best



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That seems to have fixed it again. sulk.
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I'm suspicious my account is not getting to the list this time.
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Hi Gene:

I agree with most of your comments about defaults in NVDA, except for
the Block Quotes. I think that although most people may not need such
a thing, some people might, and if they were off, these people
wouldn't know that they are there.
Those of us who know how to turn them off can easily do so.

By the way, thanks for that blog post, I just learned about some
features that I didn't know even existed.
Kevin Huber

On 6/27/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

hi gene.
thanks for your helpful informations.
i aggree with you about default settings.
thanks so much and God bless you.

On 6/27/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

If you read using speak to end, it doesn't matter how many links there
are.
Reading is not affected. If you don't use read to end and down arrow
through the text, using screen layout may improve matters but it makes
no
sense for people to read in that way.

Screen layout, according to brief comments I saw in an e-mail list
discussion years ago may make web forums easier to navigate but I
strongly
believe that the other option, placing links and controls on their own
lines
should be the default. Which raises the question of how it's decided
what
defaults should be? Clearly, using sounds instead of audio notification
of
browse or forms mode is not a good default, considering the number of
new
users who will have no idea what such sounds mean and who have enough
trouble learning everything else without having sounds where audio
notification would help far more in learning and reinforcement. Save
settings on exit should not be the default. While learning and
experimenting, users might accidentally save settings they have no
intention
of saving. Why are block quotes set to be spoken? Almost no one cares
about such arcane marks.

As I said, who decides these sorts of things. Defaults should be
determined
by the needs of inexperienced users. If long time users don't know how
to
change such settings, they might get some incentive to learn more about
the
program.


Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Blog Post: Top 5 NVDA Tips and Tricks You Need To
Know


i opened it with internet explorer and read it saved it as html.
thanks for your great tutorial.
but why is not compatible with firefox?
and could you please explane more why its better to use screen layout
in wikipedia?
its an interesting point and i did not know it.
i wish more and more these tips.

On 6/27/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

hi.
i tested with two versions of firefox and the result was error for
loading
page.
i tested with internet explorer and recieved this message!

This page contains both secure and nonsecure items.

Do you want to display the nonsecure items?
yes no

On 6/27/17, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:

Hi Nasrin,
Could you try this with a different browser perhaps? The blog is
hosted on Wordpress, so I doubt WP would be giving any problems from
the server-side. Can someone else please test the functionality of the
URL I have provided in my earlier messages? Feedback from a third
party may help us in better understanding what exactly is going on.
Thanks.

On 6/27/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

hi.
i tested again today and does not work for me.
i tested both by enter in the link and also copying the link in a new
tab.

On 6/27/17, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:

Hi Nasrin,
That is quite strange. The blog post has received successful
viewership from all places so far, and I am uncertain as to why it
might not be working at your end. Could you give it another try by
copying the URL into your browser's address bar -
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/06/26/top-5-nvda-tips-and-tricks-you-need-to-know/
?
Thanks.

On 6/26/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

hi.
thanks for your great post.
i tried it but it says problem loading page try again.
i tried it many times and the result is the same.
God bless you.

On 6/26/17, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:

Dear all,
All programs and software have some of those features which get
mentioned too rarely for what they are worth. Screen layout, audio
and
speech feedback for mode changes, customization of all NVDA sound
schemes, the unbound Document Formatting settings shortcuts and
the
wide-ranging speech synthesizer support of the NVDA screen reader,
the
software package that enables my computer access, are my top 5
picks
for NVDA tips and tricks. Whether you are a novice to NVDA or a
proclaimed screen reading master, learn a few things anew by
checking
out my latest Hiking Across Horizons blog post titled ‘Top 5 NVDA
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Nope, not at all. Yesterday it read the list, today it doesn't. It is
possible that an auto Office update broke it, but it has only broken NVDA,
no other screen reader.



All the best



Steve



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Subject: Re: [nvda] Anyone know?



So what has changed in the meantime. One assumes you have done all the usual
things like rebooting etc

Have you changed the view or done any updates etc?

Brian


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Hi,



All of a sudden, NVDA has stopped reading the message list in Outlook 2016.
Window-Eyes, JAWS and Supernova, all read it fine. Anyone have any ideas?



Thanks.



All the best



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Nope, not at all. Yesterday it read the list, today it doesn't. It is
possible that an auto Office update broke it, but it has only broken NVDA,
no other screen reader.



All the best



Steve



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So what has changed in the meantime. One assumes you have done all the usual
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Have you changed the view or done any updates etc?

Brian


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All of a sudden, NVDA has stopped reading the message list in Outlook 2016.
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Hello!

Before that, even after Alt tabing away of the non responsive app, NVDA kept slow...
Now, after managing to exit the window of the non responsive app, NVDA behaves normally...

Making it to exit the offending window seems more difficult, if at all possible...

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: nasrin khaksar
Data: 27 de junho de 2017 15:40
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] NVDA/Unresponsive Apps

i studied whats new and there mentioned that this problem is solved in
nvda 2015.3
but i still have the issue and dont know the reason.
here its reffrence.
• When an application is responding slowly and you switch away from
that application, NVDA is now much more responsive in other
applications in most cases. (
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3831

On 6/27/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I suspect this problem may not be solvable. We'll see what developers have
to say but I suspect that there is some sort of sequencing in which NVDA
receives information and that there is some reason that NVDA doesn't process
other information. But to a certain extent, this can be tested. Do other
screen-readers do this as well? I suspect that when NVDA expects
information from an application, it would cause problems to have other
applications be able to interrupt and have NVDA speak something and
normally, this wouldn't be wanted.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Rob
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 9:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA/Unresponsive Apps


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Off the top of my head I would say that if nvda needs access to a file
and
the drive is so slow and caching so small that there is a delay then
there
is going to be a delay no matter what you do. Best wolld be to make sure
thedrives do not go to sleep in the first place.

The drive sleeping is not relevant here. It's an example of behavior, not
the whole point of the message.
The point is that while the app is unresponsive, NVDA is too. The whole
computer is not unresponsive, just that one app. I've seen this happen with
Skype sometimes too, but I can't nail down a specific instance right now
since I don't use it very often.

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Hi Moderator,

I would like to set my NVDA list emails to digest. However,  I did not see where to do that.

Can you guide mein the right direction?

Thanks in advance.

 

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