I have no idea if this is NVDA-related, just checking for others' experiences.  

In the last three or four days, I've encountered a problem where, while scrolling through emails in the Gmail standard interface, something seems to hang.  Arrow keys do not speak the items moved to, though I can show that the movement is occurring.  The only recourse I've found is alt-tabbing.  Whether there is one or multiple windows open, this seems to unfreeze the speech.  It does appear to be speech related, which is why I'm asking here.

Vitals: chrome Version 101.0.4951.54 (Official Build) (64-bit)

NVDA 2022.1 beta 4

Latest stable win 10 (21h2 I think.)

Christopher Bartlett

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Christopher Bartlett

Hello,

 

I am user of Bookshare. I am unable to reproduce the same issue which is mentioned in the emails. In my case, NVDA does not skip any headings. I tried searching for different books but it always reports all the headings.

 

I am using NVDA 2021.5, Firefox 99.0.1, and Windows 11 latest version. I also tried this with other browsers but everything is fine.

Since I also work in Bookshare, it will be good to send me a detailed explanation of the issue as well as a video of the issue if possible, to my email address – sanjogk@.... I can at least verify with my team if it is something from our side.

 

With Best Regards,

Sanjog Kumawat

Membership Support [Asia & Africa].

Contact us: +919284028466

Alternate Helpline number: +919650211575

[Mobile, WhatsApp and Google Duo]

Helpline Email ID: membership-india@...

 

              

 

Benetech 480 S. California Ave., Suite 201, Palo Alto, CA 94306-1609, USA.

Bookshare Helpline - Asia & Africa Contact us: +919650211575  Alternate Helpline number: +919284028466 [Mobile, WhatsApp and Google Duo]: Helpline Email ID: membership-india@... Website: www.bookshare.org

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 02 May 2022 02:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA quirk with the Bookshare Web page

 

Larry,

Interesting.  I hope you get some other reports regarding the experiences of regular BARD users on these sites with NVDA.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed

You shouldn't have to use document review in NVDA.  If you hover the mouse, that is move it to the desired location, the page changes.  The mouse doesn't move when you move in browse mode.  While I haven't tried this, you should be able to move in the page as you always do and see what is being displayed.

Gene

Yep. That can work as well. http://qrz.com is the best place for that. Click your name then scan down in document review and you see options for editing your profile, bio and picture, which I need to do btw. OH fun.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of harshad solanki

Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2022 10:33 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] mouse hover

have you tried nvda + numpad devide and nvda + num pad multiply? you may try document review mode using nvda + num pad 1 and 7, then navigate with num pad 7 and 9. many times i found new options after performing these actions and these option can be activated with enter or nvda + num pad enter key and i am using nvda desktop  mode.

On 04/05/2022, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

That isn't working with mouse over.  You don't click a link with the 

mouse.  If you do click the link, you follow the link.  If you can do 

a mouse over with NVDA, that would be done by moving the mouse over 

the link and leaving it there.  Then you would move around the screen 

and see where the new information is, if any.

Gene

On 5/4/2022 12:03 AM, Jason Bratcher wrote:

A slight O.T. on this one:

Windows used to be able to let you choose whether you'd double-click 

or single-click to activate things (found formerly in Folder Options, 

say, WinXP and earlier).

With single-click active, you'd hover/point to select things and 

single-click to tap on it.

I don't know how well NVDA would handle the Click to Open, Point to 

select option, considering NVDA at that time didn't read the pop-up 

bubble of information that appeared as a tool tip.

NVDA getting newer along with Windows obviously changed things.

And before getting cooked like the egg in the Say No to Drugs ad in 

1987, I've mostly been able to force the mouse to the object 

navigator

(NVDA?NumPadSlash)

and click a link that way (that becomes the modern mouse over).

As per hovering over it, it's up to the software to decide what 

happens when a link/other control is pointed at.

Jason Bratcher

Yep. That can work as well. http://qrz.com is the best place for that. Click your name then scan down in document review and you see options for editing your profile, bio and picture, which I need to do btw. OH fun.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of harshad solanki
Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2022 10:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] mouse hover

have you tried nvda + numpad devide and nvda + num pad multiply? you may try document review mode using nvda + num pad 1 and 7, then navigate with num pad 7 and 9. many times i found new options after performing these actions and these option can be activated with enter or nvda + num pad enter key and i am using nvda desktop  mode.

On 04/05/2022, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

That isn't working with mouse over.  You don't click a link with the 
mouse.  If you do click the link, you follow the link.  If you can do 
a mouse over with NVDA, that would be done by moving the mouse over 
the link and leaving it there.  Then you would move around the screen 
and see where the new information is, if any.

Gene

On 5/4/2022 12:03 AM, Jason Bratcher wrote:

A slight O.T. on this one:
Windows used to be able to let you choose whether you'd double-click 
or single-click to activate things (found formerly in Folder Options, 
say, WinXP and earlier).
With single-click active, you'd hover/point to select things and 
single-click to tap on it.
I don't know how well NVDA would handle the Click to Open, Point to 
select option, considering NVDA at that time didn't read the pop-up 
bubble of information that appeared as a tool tip.
NVDA getting newer along with Windows obviously changed things.
And before getting cooked like the egg in the Say No to Drugs ad in 
1987, I've mostly been able to force the mouse to the object 
navigator
(NVDA?NumPadSlash)
and click a link that way (that becomes the modern mouse over).
As per hovering over it, it's up to the software to decide what 
happens when a link/other control is pointed at.
Jason Bratcher

Hi.

There is an add-on, but the documentation is in Spanish I think. If you paste the paragraphs into google translate, you can get a pretty good idea of what it does and how to use it. It's quite straight forward, you can have a look at the input gestures dialogue for the relevant commands. You can get it from:

https://github.com/GerardKessler/WhatsApp-desktop

The NVDA add-ons directory page is at:

https://nvda-addons.org/addon.php?id=226

Cheers,

Mo.

Hi all, is there an addon for whatsapp  on nvda? If yes, where can I get it with instructions on how to use it!

Hi all, is there an addon for whatsapp  on nvda? If yes, where can I get it with instructions on how to use it!

My guess is that if mouse over links did anything other than be
marginally useful, that is, show necessary information more than very
rarely, NVDA would have incorporated a mouse over function. JAWS has one, Window-eyes didn't. I think if it were considered at all important, more than just one screen[-reader would have it.

That isn't working with mouse over. You don't click a link with the
mouse. If you do click the link, you follow the link. If you can do
a mouse over with NVDA, that would be done by moving the mouse over
the link and leaving it there. Then you would move around the screen
and see where the new information is, if any.

Gene

On 5/4/2022 12:03 AM, Jason Bratcher wrote:

A slight O.T. on this one:
Windows used to be able to let you choose whether you'd double-click
or single-click to activate things (found formerly in Folder Options,
say, WinXP and earlier).
With single-click active, you'd hover/point to select things and
single-click to tap on it.
I don't know how well NVDA would handle the Click to Open, Point to
select option, considering NVDA at that time didn't read the pop-up
bubble of information that appeared as a tool tip.
NVDA getting newer along with Windows obviously changed things.
And before getting cooked like the egg in the Say No to Drugs ad in
1987, I've mostly been able to force the mouse to the object
navigator
(NVDA?NumPadSlash)
and click a link that way (that becomes the modern mouse over).
As per hovering over it, it's up to the software to decide what
happens when a link/other control is pointed at.
Jason Bratcher

Hi all, is there an addon for whatsapp  on nvda? If yes, where can I get it with instructions on how to use it!

Gene wrote:

My guess is that if mouse over links did anything other than be marginally useful, that is, show necessary information more than very rarely, NVDA would
have incorporated a mouse over function.  JAWS has one, Window-eyes didn't.  I think if it were considered at all important, more than just one
screen[-reader would have it.

Gene, I must disagree with you.

I have been in several situations where a website's functions were completely unusable without mouseover capability, or some way to simulate it. I present, again, GetResponse as one example.

Now, that bad design is not NVDA's fault, but I think that the real reason here is that it is simply very difficult to do given the way NVDA presents information.

Apparently, in Jaws, it is not unusual to hear that new options have appeared on line such-and-such of the virtual buffer. But users jumping to specific lines, is not an NVDA paradigm.

So the question becomes: if new options do appear, how should NVDA get you to them, or tell you about them?

I suspect if there was a reasonable answer to that, more progress might be made on mouseover support.

Luke

NVDA +divide moves the mouse to the current position if NVDA can do so.  That is evidently the same as hovering the mouse.  Imagine however, how inefficient it would be to move a mouse over a link on a web page and then review the entire page, hoping you will recognize where the page changes as a result of hovering the mouse.  You may be able to do so but its so inefficient that it would only make sense to do so if it is necessary to get some information or do something.  I almost never find that mouse over links do anything necessary when you hover the mouse.  Also, it appears they often do something visual which a screen-reader isn't aware of. 

My guess is that if mouse over links did anything other than be marginally useful, that is, show necessary information more than very rarely, NVDA would have incorporated a mouse over function.  JAWS has one, Window-eyes didn't.  I think if it were considered at all important, more than just one screen[-reader would have it.

Gene

On 5/8/2022 12:33 AM, harshad solanki wrote:

have you tried nvda + numpad devide and nvda + num pad multiply? you
may try document review mode using nvda + num pad 1 and 7, then
navigate with num pad 7 and 9. many times i found new options after
performing these actions and these option can be activated with enter
or nvda + num pad enter key and i am using nvda desktop  mode.

On 04/05/2022, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

That isn't working with mouse over.  You don't click a link with the
mouse.  If you do click the link, you follow the link.  If you can do a
mouse over with NVDA, that would be done by moving the mouse over the
link and leaving it there.  Then you would move around the screen and
see where the new information is, if any.

Gene

On 5/4/2022 12:03 AM, Jason Bratcher wrote:

A slight O.T. on this one:
Windows used to be able to let you choose whether you'd double-click
or single-click to activate things
(found formerly in Folder Options, say, WinXP and earlier).
With single-click active, you'd hover/point to select things and
single-click to tap on it.
I don't know how well NVDA would handle the Click to Open, Point to
select option,
considering NVDA at that time didn't read the pop-up bubble of
information that appeared as a tool tip.
NVDA getting newer along with Windows obviously changed things.
And before getting cooked like the egg in the Say No to Drugs ad in 1987,
I've mostly been able to force the mouse to the object navigator
(NVDA?NumPadSlash)
and click a link that way (that becomes the modern mouse over).
As per hovering over it, it's up to the software to decide what
happens when a link/other control is pointed at.
Jason Bratcher

have you tried nvda + numpad devide and nvda + num pad multiply? you
may try document review mode using nvda + num pad 1 and 7, then
navigate with num pad 7 and 9. many times i found new options after
performing these actions and these option can be activated with enter
or nvda + num pad enter key and i am using nvda desktop  mode.

On 04/05/2022, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

That isn't working with mouse over.  You don't click a link with the
mouse.  If you do click the link, you follow the link.  If you can do a
mouse over with NVDA, that would be done by moving the mouse over the
link and leaving it there.  Then you would move around the screen and
see where the new information is, if any.

Gene

On 5/4/2022 12:03 AM, Jason Bratcher wrote:

A slight O.T. on this one:
Windows used to be able to let you choose whether you'd double-click
or single-click to activate things
(found formerly in Folder Options, say, WinXP and earlier).
With single-click active, you'd hover/point to select things and
single-click to tap on it.
I don't know how well NVDA would handle the Click to Open, Point to
select option,
considering NVDA at that time didn't read the pop-up bubble of
information that appeared as a tool tip.
NVDA getting newer along with Windows obviously changed things.
And before getting cooked like the egg in the Say No to Drugs ad in 1987,
I've mostly been able to force the mouse to the object navigator
(NVDA?NumPadSlash)
and click a link that way (that becomes the modern mouse over).
As per hovering over it, it's up to the software to decide what
happens when a link/other control is pointed at.
Jason Bratcher

That isn't working with mouse over.  You don't click a link with the
mouse.  If you do click the link, you follow the link.  If you can do a
mouse over with NVDA, that would be done by moving the mouse over the
link and leaving it there.  Then you would move around the screen and
see where the new information is, if any.

Gene

On 5/4/2022 12:03 AM, Jason Bratcher wrote:

A slight O.T. on this one:
Windows used to be able to let you choose whether you'd double-click
or single-click to activate things
(found formerly in Folder Options, say, WinXP and earlier).
With single-click active, you'd hover/point to select things and
single-click to tap on it.
I don't know how well NVDA would handle the Click to Open, Point to
select option,
considering NVDA at that time didn't read the pop-up bubble of
information that appeared as a tool tip.
NVDA getting newer along with Windows obviously changed things.
And before getting cooked like the egg in the Say No to Drugs ad in 1987,
I've mostly been able to force the mouse to the object navigator
(NVDA?NumPadSlash)
and click a link that way (that becomes the modern mouse over).
As per hovering over it, it's up to the software to decide what
happens when a link/other control is pointed at.
Jason Bratcher