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Re: NVDA and Office 365 Specifically Microsoft Word Editing Problem

Brian Vogel
 

Richard,

Also, have you restarted the computer?  And I mean using Restart, as if Fast Startup is enabled a shut down is not really a shut down, but Restart forces Windows to reload from disk when it powers up again.
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Re: NVDA and Office 365 Specifically Microsoft Word Editing Problem

Richard Wells
 

Brian: I had not thought of disabling add-ons. I tried it and the
problem persists. Until someone else reports it or thinks of something
else to try, I will resort to JAWS. Thanks for the suggestion.
Re: could nvda announce entries in the Windows 11 emoji panel?

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

And the log gave me quite a puzzling picture: normally when emoji panel opens and one navigates among emojis, a UIA element selected event is raised by the panel to inform NVDA about item selection. This is not happening on the system where the log came from. I have a virtual machine with Windows 11 Version 21H2 (original release), the version of Windows this user is using, and I do notice UIA element selected event being fired (raised) on my virtual machine, indicating something odd happening with this particular system. Also, not all add-ns are disabled, as disabling all add-ons may provide a better picture for me to look at.

As Brian indicated, the reason why I insist on private log deliveries is to not expose private information in public.

Cheers,

Joseph
Re: NVDA and Office 365 Specifically Microsoft Word Editing Problem

Brian Vogel
 

Have you restarted NVDA with Add-Ons disabled then checking if the misbehavior persists?  If you haven't, you need to try that in an attempt to determine whether it may be an add-on, as opposed to NVDA core, that's triggering the issue.

Because no one else has reported this issue, I'm suspecting an add-on will end up being the root cause.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection.

       ~ Irving Babbitt
NVDA and Office 365 Specifically Microsoft Word Editing Problem

Richard Wells
 

I am not sure when this started, but I believe it was upon the first
release of NVDA 2022.2. I wanted to see if anyone else reported it, but
no one has as far as I know. When I arrow around in Microsoft Word, NVDA
doesn't seem to track properly. It is even worse when attempting to
select text with SHIFT+ARROWS. I have done all the trouble-shooting I
know to do including Run COM Registration Fixing tool and restarting
with no change to the condition. NVDA use to be so good while editing
documents. Is there anything else I can try to get things working again
short of using JAWS with MS-Word? In case it helps, Word revision is
showing Microsoft Office version 16.0.15601.20148. the problem is the
same on Windows 10 and 11. In NVDA/settings/advanced, Use UI Automation
to access Microsoft Word document controls Always is set. Would changing
this setting help? If so, what setting should I choose?
Re: could nvda announce entries in the Windows 11 emoji panel?

Brian Vogel
 

On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 08:46 AM, Rowen Cary wrote:
Of course, if this thread allows me to post here too.
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If you are considering posting debug logs, or portions of them, here please don't.  We in group administration have finally come very close to snuffing this out entirely, and for good reason.

If an assistant wants a debug log, they should do exactly what Mr. Lee did, and request that it be sent privately.  This is not only to prevent clutter on the group, as most people cannot interpret these logs to begin with, but for member protection.  There are times where logs will contain information that you might not wish to have placed out in public where anyone can see it, and our archives are public.
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It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection.

       ~ Irving Babbitt
Re: is there a way to access links that are graphics using NVDA

Gene
 

Given the popularity of Substack, some list members may already use it and may be able to answer the question.

Gene

On 9/20/2022 8:45 AM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote:
This does not even say play. My daughter told me this morning that it is not even a labeled graphic.


On 9/20/2022 9:38 AM, Nevzat Adil wrote:
I am not sure what happens after you subscribe, but on Facebook I find
videos which says 'play' without NVDA saying whether its a button or
link. I press enter to play the video, but nothing happens. When I do
a left click by pressing NVDA key plus left bracket the video plays.
Perhaps it might work on that interview as well.

On 9/20/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
It may be that a [paid subscriber to substack can look at the page and
answer your question.

For now, you may want to start at the top of the page and issue the read
to end command.  See if you hear anything relevant such as something
that says listen.

You may want to try to find the item much faster.  If the feature has a
title somewhere down the page, the listen control may be below the
title, and not very far below the title.  I seldom read an entire page
looking for something.  You might also read a bit of each line by down
arrowing, which would be much faster than letting an entire page read.
I generally don't do that because I first look for some sort of listen
item where I think it might be.

For example, radio stations often have listen links close to the top of
the page.
A podcast, often has a listen link or download link or both, somewhere
around the text discussing the content of the podcast.

Also, I'm not saying you will find a link.  You will likely find a link
or a button but it may be something else.  I saw an item on a site, I
think it was a Tunein page, where there is something that just says the
word play.  I pressed enter and the audio played.  But the word play is
not a link, nor a button nor identified as clickable.  It is just the
word play.

Gene
GeneOn 9/20/2022 1:16 AM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote:
OK, here is the link for the interview.

https://ewerickson.substack.com/p/ron-desantis-interview?utm_source=podcast-email%2Csubstack&utm_medium=email#details



On 9/20/2022 1:44 AM, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:
Is this a site where many people have pages each of which have the
same layout and the like? Maybe some people will allow you to enter
for free, if so, you might want to do two things. 1 send the public
page address here.
2 try to find a contact for the site and let them know that by a
simple label they can make it accessible.
Brian
Re: is there a way to access links that are graphics using NVDA

Betsy Grenevitch
 

This does not even say play. My daughter told me this morning that it is not even a labeled graphic.

On 9/20/2022 9:38 AM, Nevzat Adil wrote:
I am not sure what happens after you subscribe, but on Facebook I find
videos which says 'play' without NVDA saying whether its a button or
link. I press enter to play the video, but nothing happens. When I do
a left click by pressing NVDA key plus left bracket the video plays.
Perhaps it might work on that interview as well.

On 9/20/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
It may be that a [paid subscriber to substack can look at the page and
answer your question.

For now, you may want to start at the top of the page and issue the read
to end command.  See if you hear anything relevant such as something
that says listen.

You may want to try to find the item much faster.  If the feature has a
title somewhere down the page, the listen control may be below the
title, and not very far below the title.  I seldom read an entire page
looking for something.  You might also read a bit of each line by down
arrowing, which would be much faster than letting an entire page read.
I generally don't do that because I first look for some sort of listen
item where I think it might be.

For example, radio stations often have listen links close to the top of
the page.
A podcast, often has a listen link or download link or both, somewhere
around the text discussing the content of the podcast.

Also, I'm not saying you will find a link.  You will likely find a link
or a button but it may be something else.  I saw an item on a site, I
think it was a Tunein page, where there is something that just says the
word play.  I pressed enter and the audio played.  But the word play is
not a link, nor a button nor identified as clickable.  It is just the
word play.

Gene
GeneOn 9/20/2022 1:16 AM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote:
OK, here is the link for the interview.

https://ewerickson.substack.com/p/ron-desantis-interview?utm_source=podcast-email%2Csubstack&utm_medium=email#details



On 9/20/2022 1:44 AM, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:
Is this a site where many people have pages each of which have the
same layout and the like? Maybe some people will allow you to enter
for free, if so, you might want to do two things. 1 send the public
page address here.
2 try to find a contact for the site and let them know that by a
simple label they can make it accessible.
Brian




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Re: is there a way to access links that are graphics using NVDA

Nevzat Adil
 

I am not sure what happens after you subscribe, but on Facebook I find
videos which says 'play' without NVDA saying whether its a button or
link. I press enter to play the video, but nothing happens. When I do
a left click by pressing NVDA key plus left bracket the video plays.
Perhaps it might work on that interview as well.

On 9/20/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
It may be that a [paid subscriber to substack can look at the page and
answer your question.

For now, you may want to start at the top of the page and issue the read
to end command.  See if you hear anything relevant such as something
that says listen.

You may want to try to find the item much faster.  If the feature has a
title somewhere down the page, the listen control may be below the
title, and not very far below the title.  I seldom read an entire page
looking for something.  You might also read a bit of each line by down
arrowing, which would be much faster than letting an entire page read.
I generally don't do that because I first look for some sort of listen
item where I think it might be.

For example, radio stations often have listen links close to the top of
the page.
A podcast, often has a listen link or download link or both, somewhere
around the text discussing the content of the podcast.

Also, I'm not saying you will find a link.  You will likely find a link
or a button but it may be something else.  I saw an item on a site, I
think it was a Tunein page, where there is something that just says the
word play.  I pressed enter and the audio played.  But the word play is
not a link, nor a button nor identified as clickable.  It is just the
word play.

Gene
GeneOn 9/20/2022 1:16 AM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote:
OK, here is the link for the interview.

https://ewerickson.substack.com/p/ron-desantis-interview?utm_source=podcast-email%2Csubstack&utm_medium=email#details



On 9/20/2022 1:44 AM, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:
Is this a site where many people have pages each of which have the
same layout and the like? Maybe some people will allow you to enter
for free, if so, you might want to do two things. 1 send the public
page address here.
2 try to find a contact for the site and let them know that by a
simple label they can make it accessible.
Brian





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Re: is there a way to access links that are graphics using NVDA

Gene
 

It may be that a [paid subscriber to substack can look at the page and answer your question.

For now, you may want to start at the top of the page and issue the read to end command.  See if you hear anything relevant such as something that says listen.

You may want to try to find the item much faster.  If the feature has a title somewhere down the page, the listen control may be below the title, and not very far below the title.  I seldom read an entire page looking for something.  You might also read a bit of each line by down arrowing, which would be much faster than letting an entire page read.  I generally don't do that because I first look for some sort of listen item where I think it might be.

For example, radio stations often have listen links close to the top of the page.
A podcast, often has a listen link or download link or both, somewhere around the text discussing the content of the podcast.

Also, I'm not saying you will find a link.  You will likely find a link or a button but it may be something else.  I saw an item on a site, I think it was a Tunein page, where there is something that just says the word play.  I pressed enter and the audio played.  But the word play is not a link, nor a button nor identified as clickable.  It is just the word play.

Gene
GeneOn 9/20/2022 1:16 AM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote:

OK, here is the link for the interview.

https://ewerickson.substack.com/p/ron-desantis-interview?utm_source=podcast-email%2Csubstack&utm_medium=email#details

On 9/20/2022 1:44 AM, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:
Is this a site where many people have pages each of which have the same layout and the like? Maybe some people will allow you to enter for free, if so, you might want to do two things. 1 send the public page address here.
2 try to find a contact for the site and let them know that by a simple label they can make it accessible.
Brian
Re: could nvda announce entries in the Windows 11 emoji panel?

Rowen Cary
 

Hi,

I will send the debug log to your mail. Of course, if this thread allows me to post here too.

Thanks

On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 07:30 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

I see. Can I get a debug log from you directly? That way I can analyze what's up and let folks know what's going on. Also, before sending me the debug log, try pressing Windows+V and see if clipboard history works, and hopefully it can give me a better picture.

Cheers,

Joseph
Re: is there a way to access links that are graphics using NVDA

Gene
 

this page says the content is for paid subscribers, perhaps to Substack.  However, it may be possible to find free audio content on Substack we can work with.

Gene

On 9/20/2022 1:16 AM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote:
OK, here is the link for the interview.

https://ewerickson.substack.com/p/ron-desantis-interview?utm_source=podcast-email%2Csubstack&utm_medium=email#details

On 9/20/2022 1:44 AM, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:
Is this a site where many people have pages each of which have the same layout and the like? Maybe some people will allow you to enter for free, if so, you might want to do two things. 1 send the public page address here.
2 try to find a contact for the site and let them know that by a simple label they can make it accessible.
Brian
Re: is there a way to access links that are graphics using NVDA

Gene
 

I don't know what browser you are using but I just looked at Start Page and I found no unlabeled anything on the home page.  Whether you see a different home page in the UK, I don't know but in the United States, everything is read as it should be.

Gene

On 9/20/2022 12:40 AM, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:
Recently, start page search engine has links that just say link link link etc with no apparent text or indeed even an indication that these are graphics of some kind. I have also seen buttons that are not buttons but, so if the page says, hit the big green button, often it may look like a button, but iis in fact a link or other clickable item of some sort.
Brian
Re: could nvda announce entries in the Windows 11 emoji panel?

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

I see. Can I get a debug log from you directly? That way I can analyze what's up and let folks know what's going on. Also, before sending me the debug log, try pressing Windows+V and see if clipboard history works, and hopefully it can give me a better picture.

Cheers,

Joseph
Re: could nvda announce entries in the Windows 11 emoji panel?

Rowen Cary
 

Hi > Joseph,

I installed Windows App Essentials and also tried disabling all add-ons, as well as changing the Selective Registration UIA option of the NVDA advanced settings panel, the emoji panel doesn't work as expected.

On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 10:56 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

In addition to usual version info, can you tell me if this happens with or without Windows App Essentials add-on installed? If Windows App Essentials is not running, it might be due to UIA event registration setting (if set to "selective" or the checkbox is checked (depending on NVDA release), NVDA will not handle events from places other than focused control, which affects Windows 10 emoji panel where NVDA may appear to do nothing when in fact emojis are being selected).

Cheers,

Joseph
In-Process for 20th September is out

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

In-Process for the 20th September 2022 is out! Featuring news on NVDA 2022.2.3 and Beta 5 of NVDA 2022.3, plus a bit of info about NVDA Remote. And don't miss the big walkthrough of the Windows Task Manager. All that and more at: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-20th-september-2022/

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Training and Support Manager
Re: NVDA's built-in OCR Capabilities

Bhavya shah
 

Dear Pranav,

Thanks so much for mentioning it - I wasn't aware of Cloud Vision! I
analyzed one image file with it and it seems to work quite well.
Another of a growing list of examples of valuable functionality that
NVDA core lacks and one goes to add-ons for...

Thanks.

On 9/18/22, Pranav Lal <pranav@...> wrote:
Bhavia,



See the cloud vision add-on. It describes images.



Pranav






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Re: is there a way to access links that are graphics using NVDA

Betsy Grenevitch
 

OK, here is the link for the interview.

https://ewerickson.substack.com/p/ron-desantis-interview?utm_source=podcast-email%2Csubstack&utm_medium=email#details

On 9/20/2022 1:44 AM, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:
Is this a site where many people have pages each of which have the same layout and the like? Maybe some people will allow you to enter for free, if so, you might want to do two things. 1 send the public page address here.
2 try to find a contact for the site and let them know that by a simple label they can make it accessible.
Brian
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Re: is there a way to access links that are graphics using NVDA

Betsy Grenevitch
 

You are looking for the play button when you get to a page. I will try to send the link before I finally head to bed but am not sure you can access the recording.


Thanks for your help with this as I am sure there will be other times I want to access this site.


 

On 9/19/2022 11:12 PM, Gene wrote:
Are you asked to log into a page before you listen to audio or do you just play the audio when you get to the page?
If the page is generally available to the public, once your browser is on the page, issue the command control l. 
Then copy the link to the clipboard with control c. 
Send a message to the list and in that message, paste the link, using control v.

If there is some reason we shouldn't see the page or hear the audio, such as the audio being intended only to be heard by list members and if it contains private information in some way, you may not want to do this but if the e-mail is sending you to pages available to the public, you may.

Gene
On 9/19/2022 9:45 PM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote:

I found graphics but not one that played the interview like my daughter found visually.


I know it was suggested I send the link here but it is not the same link each time. I do not know if it would help to send the link, either, because you have to be subscribed to his email list and there is a fee.


Thanks for trying, though.


On 9/19/2022 9:52 PM, Governor staten wrote:

Press "G" on that site, and see if you can find it that way.




On 9/19/2022 9:48 PM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote:
I spent a couple of hours today trying to find a play link/button and my daughter comes in and does it in a minute. She is sighted and I asked her why I could not find it. She said it is a graphic and actually not a button. Is there a way around this problem on a website? Thank you so much.

If there is not, and if I can find out how to contact the person whose site it is, what do I need to tell them needs to be changed to fix it?



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Re: is there a way to access links that are graphics using NVDA

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I do not know the answer to this question.

On 9/20/2022 1:44 AM, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:
Is this a site where many people have pages each of which have the same layout and the like? Maybe some people will allow you to enter for free, if so, you might want to do two things. 1 send the public page address here.
2 try to find a contact for the site and let them know that by a simple label they can make it accessible.
Brian
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