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Re: Oddity With NVDA And Thunderbird with Inbox status Line

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

I tried following the steps indicated in this thread but it did not work. Actually what it should be saying is the word unread in place of that symbol., When I tried using the ▾  as the pattern and replacing it with the word unread, nothing changed.

On 2/21/2021 4:24 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Even though this topic was launched first, the more recent one asking about this issue has a title that is far more indicative regarding the actual issue:  Oddity With NVDA And Thunderbird with Inbox status Line

Thus, this topic, +Strange thing in Nvda, shall be merged into the more descriptive one as soon as I finish posting this message.  If others wish to discuss workarounds further, please post to the "Oddity" topic.
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      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
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Re: Oddity With NVDA And Thunderbird with Inbox status Line

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Dan,

I would have used the dictionary of some sort if I could actually isolate the odd figure/oration. But with Mozilla Thunderbird as well as Firefox, you can't isolate this item using the screen review or object review feature. When you switch to those modes and try moving to the status line where this odd character appears, all you get is 'blank' reported.


On 2/21/2021 3:57 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:

Yep, I have this behavior too. 



wonder if there is a way to stop this using the pronunciation dictionary.  It isn't a big show stopper for me but it would lessen the verbiage spoken.


Dan Beaver

On 2/21/2021 1:55 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

This issue began with the latest version of NVDA version 2020.4. When I voe to the Tree View of folders using the F6 key and arrow up and down I hear something like 'inbox fill down pointing small tirangle' followed by the number of unread messages in the folder. This is with sub foldrs located under the inbox and with the tree branch closed with the left arrow.

Does anyone else experience anything like this? This occurs with all installed synthesizers and voices and with variation of punctuation with all, some, most and characters. It stops only when I turn punctuation to none.

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Oddity With NVDA And Thunderbird with Inbox status Line

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Brian,

The link you provided gives an error 404 file not found page.


On 2/21/2021 2:05 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
+Strange thing in Nvda

Topic started yesterday, and should still be in your inbox.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Oddity With NVDA And Thunderbird with Inbox status Line

 

Even though this topic was launched first, the more recent one asking about this issue has a title that is far more indicative regarding the actual issue:  Oddity With NVDA And Thunderbird with Inbox status Line

Thus, this topic, +Strange thing in Nvda, shall be merged into the more descriptive one as soon as I finish posting this message.  If others wish to discuss workarounds further, please post to the "Oddity" topic.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


Re: Oddity With NVDA And Thunderbird with Inbox status Line

Dan Beaver
 

And I have my wondering answered too.  ;)


Dan Beaver

On 2/21/2021 2:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 08:54 AM, Jarek.Krcmar wrote:
How did you do it?
-

Using the NVDA Dictionaries with Regular Expression Matching to Change Pronunciations (docx)

In this case, you need not use regular expression matching, since this is for a single character.  You can copy and paste that character, which has been in several messages in this topic and can be snagged from one of them, and use it in a Whole Word match rather than a regular expression match.

The tutorial goes through the steps, which are exactly the same as far as adding a dictionary entry, but I focused on regular expression matching.  It's a simple enough matter to use the Whole Word radio button as is appropriate here.

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: Oddity With NVDA And Thunderbird with Inbox status Line

Dan Beaver
 

Yep, I have this behavior too. 



wonder if there is a way to stop this using the pronunciation dictionary.  It isn't a big show stopper for me but it would lessen the verbiage spoken.


Dan Beaver

On 2/21/2021 1:55 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

This issue began with the latest version of NVDA version 2020.4. When I voe to the Tree View of folders using the F6 key and arrow up and down I hear something like 'inbox fill down pointing small tirangle' followed by the number of unread messages in the folder. This is with sub foldrs located under the inbox and with the tree branch closed with the left arrow.

Does anyone else experience anything like this? This occurs with all installed synthesizers and voices and with variation of punctuation with all, some, most and characters. It stops only when I turn punctuation to none.

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: NVDA keyboard help please

 

Well I havn't had this, from time to time my enter key double presses and at one stage it got so bad that my system was deleting and doing all sorts of things.

I was about to just reformat when I noticed my usb hub that runs just about everything was turning off and on all the time.

I traced it to a faulty port on the power cube and have it plugged into my dedicated power cube on my desk.

This does use another port but that doesn't matter.

A lot of things have changed since I got upgrades to my room so who knows.

Double enter happens from time to time but its more annoying than anything else.

Sometimes keyboard focus switches due to something pressing itself but I just have to be aware and type slower and not be in a hurry while managing files.

Eventually I may have to replace this mechanical down the road.

Thank god I never eat or drink at the terminal, a thing some friends, students at my flat and family have a habbit of doing.

Computers do not mix with  human consumables.


On 22/02/2021 4:15 am, Gene wrote:
I doubt you did anything.  There is no single command to take the action that has happened.  I think it is very likely that you are having a problem I have off and on.  All my modifier keys stop working. 
 
Unload the program and run it again.  To unload it, open the system tray, Windows key b, and type n until you get to the NVDA icon. 
Open the context menu however you usually do it.  Up arrow to exitand press enter.  Then, press it again in a moment.
Now, run NVDA again.  The probem will very likely be solved.
 
I don't know how many people have this problem and how often.  I use Windows 7 so I haven't reported the problem.  I have no idea if I would have it or have it at all often in Windows 10.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 8:49 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA keyboard help please

I am not sure how I did this, but I disabled my NVDA keys, not only numlock zero key, but as if that wasn't enough, the capslock key also. How can I restore that? Thank you so much.





Re: Oddity With NVDA And Thunderbird with Inbox status Line

 

On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 08:54 AM, Jarek.Krcmar wrote:
How did you do it?
-

Using the NVDA Dictionaries with Regular Expression Matching to Change Pronunciations (docx)

In this case, you need not use regular expression matching, since this is for a single character.  You can copy and paste that character, which has been in several messages in this topic and can be snagged from one of them, and use it in a Whole Word match rather than a regular expression match.

The tutorial goes through the steps, which are exactly the same as far as adding a dictionary entry, but I focused on regular expression matching.  It's a simple enough matter to use the Whole Word radio button as is appropriate here.

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


Re: Oddity With NVDA And Thunderbird with Inbox status Line

 

+Strange thing in Nvda

Topic started yesterday, and should still be in your inbox.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


Oddity With NVDA And Thunderbird with Inbox status Line

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

This issue began with the latest version of NVDA version 2020.4. When I voe to the Tree View of folders using the F6 key and arrow up and down I hear something like 'inbox fill down pointing small tirangle' followed by the number of unread messages in the folder. This is with sub foldrs located under the inbox and with the tree branch closed with the left arrow.

Does anyone else experience anything like this? This occurs with all installed synthesizers and voices and with variation of punctuation with all, some, most and characters. It stops only when I turn punctuation to none.

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: NVDA keyboard help please

Gene
 

I doubt you did anything.  There is no single command to take the action that has happened.  I think it is very likely that you are having a problem I have off and on.  All my modifier keys stop working. 
 
Unload the program and run it again.  To unload it, open the system tray, Windows key b, and type n until you get to the NVDA icon. 
Open the context menu however you usually do it.  Up arrow to exitand press enter.  Then, press it again in a moment.
Now, run NVDA again.  The probem will very likely be solved.
 
I don't know how many people have this problem and how often.  I use Windows 7 so I haven't reported the problem.  I have no idea if I would have it or have it at all often in Windows 10.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 8:49 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA keyboard help please

I am not sure how I did this, but I disabled my NVDA keys, not only numlock zero key, but as if that wasn't enough, the capslock key also. How can I restore that? Thank you so much.





NVDA keyboard help please

Charles Adkins
 

I am not sure how I did this, but I disabled my NVDA keys, not only numlock zero key, but as if that wasn't enough, the capslock key also. How can I restore that? Thank you so much.


Re: Oddity With NVDA And Thunderbird with Inbox status Line

Jarek.Krcmar
 

How did you do it?
Jarek


-----Původní zpráva-----
From: seb naudet
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 7:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] +Strange thing in Nvda

Hello,

yes i've noticed that too.

i've added ▾ in the nvda dictionnary to silent it.


cheers


Le 20/02/2021 à 14:34, J cheersarek.Krcmar a écrit :
Hello everyone,

After updating Nvda on the version 24 I have found this problem:

If I start Thunderbird and find messages, then Nvda says: Fillet down pointing small try angle.

I would like to know, how avoid it.


Re: Oddity With NVDA And Thunderbird with Inbox status Line

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hi,
I have Windows 10.
I have the problem already solved.
Jarek

-----Původní zpráva-----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 1:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] +Strange thing in Nvda

I'm not sure how you get into the treeview of folders in Windows 10. For
some reason, my Windows 7 machine only shows a list view. I've never known
why. But it would be interesting to see what you would hear in that
treeview when you were on closed folders.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: seb naudet
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 6:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] +Strange thing in Nvda



Hi,

▾ was only annonced for main collapsed folders, just before messages
numbers.

ex : gmail ▾54 or yahoo▾37...













Le 20/02/2021 à 19:46, Brian Vogel a écrit :
My guess, based on both things now said, is that this is likely more on the
Thunderbird side of things than NVDA, per se.

A screen reader only reads text (or alt-text, for graphics) that is exposed
to it to read. It almost sounds like it's now reading the character used
for many things as far as expanded or collapsed or dropdown indication goes.
That downward pointing small triangle sounds like the conversation expanded
indicator in the Tbird inbox for a given conversation you've landed on. I'd
expect that something very similar, but probably saying right pointing, is
said if it's collapsed.

It could be an NVDA thing, but since this sort of symbol has been present
"since dirt" in Thunderbird, and the announcement of expanded or collapsed
had been, too, I suspect something's creeped in on the Tbird side.

Are either of you still getting expanded/collapsed announcements for
conversations or in the folder tree? Or is that weird triangle announcement
being said everywhere, or perhaps only in, say, a mailbox list of messages
but not the folder tree?
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

~ Anton Chekhov


Re: Oddity With NVDA And Thunderbird with Inbox status Line

Gene
 

I'm not sure how you get into the treeview of folders in Windows 10. For some reason, my Windows 7 machine only shows a list view. I've never known why. But it would be interesting to see what you would hear in that treeview when you were on closed folders.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: seb naudet
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 6:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] +Strange thing in Nvda



Hi,

▾ was only annonced for main collapsed folders, just before messages numbers.

ex : gmail ▾54 or yahoo▾37...













Le 20/02/2021 à 19:46, Brian Vogel a écrit :
My guess, based on both things now said, is that this is likely more on the Thunderbird side of things than NVDA, per se.

A screen reader only reads text (or alt-text, for graphics) that is exposed to it to read. It almost sounds like it's now reading the character used for many things as far as expanded or collapsed or dropdown indication goes. That downward pointing small triangle sounds like the conversation expanded indicator in the Tbird inbox for a given conversation you've landed on. I'd expect that something very similar, but probably saying right pointing, is said if it's collapsed.

It could be an NVDA thing, but since this sort of symbol has been present "since dirt" in Thunderbird, and the announcement of expanded or collapsed had been, too, I suspect something's creeped in on the Tbird side.

Are either of you still getting expanded/collapsed announcements for conversations or in the folder tree? Or is that weird triangle announcement being said everywhere, or perhaps only in, say, a mailbox list of messages but not the folder tree?
--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

~ Anton Chekhov


Re: Oddity With NVDA And Thunderbird with Inbox status Line

seb naudet
 

   Hi,

▾ was only annonced for main collapsed folders, just before messages numbers.

ex : gmail ▾54 or yahoo▾37...





Le 20/02/2021 à 19:46, Brian Vogel a écrit :

My guess, based on both things now said, is that this is likely more on the Thunderbird side of things than NVDA, per se.

A screen reader only reads text (or alt-text, for graphics) that is exposed to it to read.  It almost sounds like it's now reading the character used for many things as far as expanded or collapsed or dropdown indication goes.   That downward pointing small triangle sounds like the conversation expanded indicator in the Tbird inbox for a given conversation you've landed on.  I'd expect that something very similar, but probably saying right pointing, is said if it's collapsed.

It could be an NVDA thing, but since this sort of symbol has been present "since dirt" in Thunderbird, and the announcement of expanded or collapsed had been, too, I suspect something's creeped in on the Tbird side.

Are either of you still getting expanded/collapsed announcements for conversations or in the folder tree?  Or is that weird triangle announcement being said everywhere, or perhaps only in, say, a mailbox list of messages but not the folder tree?
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


Re: a stranger behaviour in skype

Sarah k Alawami
 

This is an electron issue, skype are aware of this, and are trying to fix it. If you just hit alt and hit it again your tab will work. We discussed this on my list a few months ago actually, which is why I can give you the tip.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alexandre Alves Toco
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 2:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] a stranger behaviour in skype

Hi. I am running the most recent nvda.

When I open skype or go to an application and change again to skype, the tab key doesn't read the controls. I know that they are there because I used the ocr to recognize the window.

So, I pressed alt and navigate in some menus using the arrow keys. When I exit the menu, the tab key read the objects as it would do in other applications.

I reproduced it 2 or 3 times.


a stranger behaviour in skype

Alexandre Alves Toco
 

Hi. I am running the most recent nvda.

When I open skype or go to an application and change again to skype, the tab key doesn't read the controls. I know that they are there because I used the ocr to recognize the window.

So, I pressed alt and navigate in some menus using the arrow keys. When I exit the menu, the tab key read the objects as it would do in other applications.

I reproduced it 2 or 3 times.


Re: Big problems with Microsoft word 365

Cristina Ebetiuc <ebetiucristina@...>
 

Hi!
Thank you. I tried out the solutions and I can change etween browse and focus mode but it does not help. 

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 20.02.2021 um 21:10 schrieb Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>:

Cristina,

         Your last message contained no material from you, just the quotation of my prior post.  I'm presuming you meant to say and/or ask something, so I'm letting you know.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


Re: windows 10 Pro - Check for updates - NVDA goes silent in dialog with mouse over

Sarah k Alawami
 

Ok, try tabbing and using object navigation. again, we cannot mouse over things per-say. Read the part of the nvda manual regarding object navigation and screen review. It’s a very good read. It might put you to sleep, but still glance at it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Russell James
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 12:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 Pro - Check for updates - NVDA goes silent in dialog with mouse over

 

No

 

On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, 12:11 PM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Are you tabbing and shift tabbing through the dialogue. Knock on what ever is around you, I have not had this issue ever.  Are you also using object nav and or screen review? We can’t really “mouse over’ things.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Russell James
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 Pro - Check for updates - NVDA goes silent in dialog with mouse over

 

I wanted to follow up on my previous message

 

I have noticed that when NVDA goes silent

If I press the tab key till I hear spoken feedback

Then the mouse over content speaking starts working

 

I confirmed this is still happening after the NVDA update that was just released.

 

Russ

 

On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 3:38 PM Russell James <4rjames@...> wrote:

Greetings,

 

Using Windows 10 Pro on a desktop

Version 10.0.19042 Build 19042

 

With NVDA

version 2020.3

 

Sometimes when I check for updates, after the dialog is presented,  NVDA will announce the last check for updates and then go silent

If I mouse over content in the dialog it remains silent

If I mouse over content outside the dialog it will be spoken.

 

If I restart NVDA it starts speaking content in the dialog with mouse over

 

Using a physical mouse connected via USB

 

 

While checking the NVDA version I noticed in the menu an entry that indicated install pending update

However, when I activate that entry the menu goes away and nothing seems to happen

 

When I go to help and check for updates it indicates there are none available

 

Thank you

 

Russ

 

 

 

 

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