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Re: using NVDA with Bluetooth

Jackie
 

Luke R, please check the NVDA addons page for 1 called Bluetooth audio.
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/BluetoothAudio.en.html

On 1/6/21, Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry, I should have been clearer. The AirPods connect via Bluetooth. They
connect fine, it’s just that slight delay and truncating of the first part
of NVDA speech that makes them unusable for me. Would love if this has been
fixed somehow. Thanks.

On Jan 6, 2021, at 2:57 PM, Luke Robinett via groups.io
<blindgroupsluke=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hey Bob and others,
I’ve tried several times in the recent past to use my Apple AirPods with
my PC and NVDA but it never works very well. There’s a bit of lag and the
first bit of whatever NVDA speaks gets chopped off. Has this since been
fixed, either in windows or NVDA?

On Jan 1, 2021, at 8:58 PM, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:

Ah, not sure how I missed this until this morning, but just tried it
and it works brilliantly! Now all I have to decide is which output to
stream to the speaker, Zara or NVDA. I think this is going to work
though. Now all I need is a test server to put into Alta Cast so I can
try this out.

On 12/31/20, Jackie <abletec@gmail.com> wrote:
Bob, please try going to your synthesizer settings (control+NVDA+s),
select your synthesizer, & set your desired audio output device there.

On 12/31/20, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
It was a post on this list that inspired me to try using NVDA with my
Bluetooth speaker, and to my surprise, it actually worked. My question
is, can I somehow tell NVDA and only NVDA to output to the Bluetooth
speaker, and have everything else still come through the computer
speakers?
Bob






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Re: Selecting Files

Joshua Hendrickson
 

I have always selected files using control space bar. I have never
used shift down arrow or anything like that. Also, if you are in a
folder and you want to select all the files in that folder, just hit
control a and then everything in that folder is selected.

On 1/6/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
The tutorial omits something important. If you move to the top of the list,

the item you have moved to is selected. If you hold control and you don't
want it selected, you should press space on that item

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 5:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files



Hi




is the following tutorial from off my website is what he is wanting. It is
for windows explorer.




Selecting and unselecting files in File Explorer
When you go into a folder in file explorer you might only want to copy
certain files out of that folder. They might not be together or in a group.

To copy only certain files out of the folder if there are heaps of them you

will need to do the following.
It would be easier to go to the top of the folder so you can see all the
files below. Now, hold down the Ctrl key, then use the Spacebar to select or

unselect hightlighted files. Each time you press the Spacebar on an
unselected file it will then become selected. Work your way down the files
you want and select them with the Spacebar while still holding the Ctrl key.

You should hear whether it is selected or unselected. As you arrow down the

list of files, to confirm which ones you selected while still holding down
the Ctrl key, go to the top of the folder then arrow down the list. If it
only says the name of the song it is selected but if it says the name of the

song and unselected then you know it is not. Usually the status bar can be
read with the NVDA key + End key but not at present.

You can grab an NVDA add-on to tell you how many files have been selected
until Windows fixes this problem. You will need to use the NVDA key and the

End key to see how many file were selected. Please visit the following link

https://www.dropbox.com/s/a935bus11i8y8k0/ZExplorer_1.0_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=0





Gene nz




On 7/01/2021 11:58 am, Sascha Cowley via groups.io wrote:
You should not need to use Ctrl while doing this; Shift + ↓ will extend a
continuous selection. Using Ctrl + Shift + ↓ seems to continue a
non-continuous selection from the last selected item (IE the one nearest
above where you are in the list). With that in mind, are you trying to use
Ctrl+Shift+↓ in a list view where nothing is selected? If so, try pressing
Space on the item you want to be the first selected item, then using
Ctrl+Shift+↓.







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Re: Selecting Files

Gene
 

The tutorial omits something important. If you move to the top of the list, the item you have moved to is selected. If you hold control and you don't want it selected, you should press space on that item

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 5:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files



Hi




is the following tutorial from off my website is what he is wanting. It is for windows explorer.




Selecting and unselecting files in File Explorer
When you go into a folder in file explorer you might only want to copy certain files out of that folder. They might not be together or in a group. To copy only certain files out of the folder if there are heaps of them you will need to do the following.
It would be easier to go to the top of the folder so you can see all the files below. Now, hold down the Ctrl key, then use the Spacebar to select or unselect hightlighted files. Each time you press the Spacebar on an unselected file it will then become selected. Work your way down the files you want and select them with the Spacebar while still holding the Ctrl key. You should hear whether it is selected or unselected. As you arrow down the list of files, to confirm which ones you selected while still holding down the Ctrl key, go to the top of the folder then arrow down the list. If it only says the name of the song it is selected but if it says the name of the song and unselected then you know it is not. Usually the status bar can be read with the NVDA key + End key but not at present.

You can grab an NVDA add-on to tell you how many files have been selected until Windows fixes this problem. You will need to use the NVDA key and the End key to see how many file were selected. Please visit the following link https://www.dropbox.com/s/a935bus11i8y8k0/ZExplorer_1.0_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=0





Gene nz




On 7/01/2021 11:58 am, Sascha Cowley via groups.io wrote:
You should not need to use Ctrl while doing this; Shift + ↓ will extend a continuous selection. Using Ctrl + Shift + ↓ seems to continue a non-continuous selection from the last selected item (IE the one nearest above where you are in the list). With that in mind, are you trying to use Ctrl+Shift+↓ in a list view where nothing is selected? If so, try pressing Space on the item you want to be the first selected item, then using Ctrl+Shift+↓.


Re: Selecting Files

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


is the following tutorial from off my website is what he is wanting. It is for windows explorer.


Selecting and unselecting files in File Explorer
When you go into a folder in file explorer you might only want to copy certain files out of that folder. They might not be together or in a group. To copy only certain files out of the folder if there are heaps of them you will need to do the following.
It would be easier to go to the top of the folder so you can see all the files below. Now, hold down the Ctrl key, then use the Spacebar to select or unselect hightlighted files. Each time you press the Spacebar on an unselected file it will then become selected. Work your way down the files you want and select them with the Spacebar while still holding the Ctrl key. You should hear whether it is selected or unselected. As you arrow down the list of files, to confirm which ones you selected while still holding down the Ctrl key, go to the top of the folder then arrow down the list. If it only says the name of the song it is selected but if it says the name of the song and unselected then you know it is not. Usually the status bar can be read with the NVDA key + End key but not at present.

You can grab an NVDA add-on to tell you how many files have been selected until Windows fixes this problem. You will need to use the NVDA key and the End key to see how many file were selected. Please visit the following link https://www.dropbox.com/s/a935bus11i8y8k0/ZExplorer_1.0_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=0


Gene nz


On 7/01/2021 11:58 am, Sascha Cowley via groups.io wrote:
You should not need to use Ctrl while doing this; Shift + ↓ will extend a continuous selection. Using Ctrl + Shift + ↓ seems to continue a non-continuous selection from the last selected item (IE the one nearest above where you are in the list). With that in mind, are you trying to use Ctrl+Shift+↓ in a list view where nothing is selected? If so, try pressing Space on the item you want to be the first selected item, then using Ctrl+Shift+↓.


Re: Selecting Files

Gene
 

To select contiguous items, just use shift. To select items that are not contiguous, hold control and down arrow until you get to something you want to select, and press space while still holding shift. Continuing to hold control, down arrow and when you find another file you want to select, press space again. That is how list views work in general. If you are in a list and you have moved so something is already selected and you want to start at the top with nothing selected, move to the top of the list with the up arrow or home. You have moved to the first item in the list. It is now selected. Unselect it with control space. Then, I am assuming you don't want it selected, press control and start down arrowing as I described. If you move to the top of a list and want the first item selected, it already is. If you hold control and down arrow, it will remain selected. it will remain selected if you use shift down arrow as well.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sascha Cowley via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files

You should not need to use Ctrl while doing this; Shift + ↓ will extend a continuous selection. Using Ctrl + Shift + ↓ seems to continue a non-continuous selection from the last selected item (IE the one nearest above where you are in the list). With that in mind, are you trying to use Ctrl+Shift+↓ in a list view where nothing is selected? If so, try pressing Space on the item you want to be the first selected item, then using Ctrl+Shift+↓.


Re: Selecting Files

Gene
 

It’s the wrong command. In a list, when you are selecting using shift, just use shift.

Gene

----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Gray
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 4:44 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files



Hello:



When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more files, nothing is selected. I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail. Any thoughts here?



Many thanks.



Chris


Re: Selecting Files

benmoxey@...
 

Hi everyone

 

Hold the Shift and use your arrows to select files that are next to each other.

 

If you only want some of the files in a folder, hold Control and use your arrows to move to those files. Keep the Control held down and use Space to select or unselect. Only release the Control when you are done and are ready to copy, cut etc. If you release Control and press one of the arrows, you will lose the selection and will need to start over.

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sascha Cowley via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, 7 January 2021 10:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files

 

Ctrl+↓ moves the focus without affecting the highlight. Do you mean Shift+↓, or am I missing something?


Re: Strategies for navigating YouTube comments using NVDA?

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Thanks for all the great ideas, folks. Turns out I’m already doing a combination of most of these things but did pick up a few tips and tricks. Tony, that plug-in sounds awesome! I will definitely grab that and see if it helps. I found that if I press control end to go to the very bottom of the page and then press shift 2 a couple of times I will find the comments section pretty consistently since it is under a level two heading. Of the two issues I originally brought up, I’d say traversing between the comments is the most annoying. Even if you press G to go to the profile image of each user, there are still numerous elements you have to move pass to get to the actual text of the comment. Thanks again and keep the ideas coming. I’ve already submitted The feedback to Google as I mentioned so hopefully that will help. In the scheme of things I know this isn’t like a critical issue or anything, but I am a big fan of reading and interacting with comments on topics that interest me so it would be nice if that could be made a little easier. :)

On Dec 31, 2020, at 6:08 PM, Sascha Cowley via groups.io <sascha.camille@...> wrote:

Comments are only loaded when you scroll down the page past the video description. Usually, I just rapidly scroll down the page, wait a couple of seconds, then the comments section will be there.
As for navigating comments, I typically use [e] to navigate to the edit field to add your own comment, then use [g] to navigate to each comment, as each begins with a profile picture.


Re: Selecting Files

Ann Byrne
 

When you use ctrl-down arrow, you press spacebar on any file you want to select. If the files are contiguous you can use shift down arrow, but not I think ctrl-shift down arrow.

At 04:49 PM 1/6/2021, you wrote:

Chris,

I usually press control with down arrow to select files contiguously. I'm not familiar with adding the shift key to perform this task, at least if we're talking about File Explorer.



David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 5:45 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files



Hello:



When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more files, nothing is selected. I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail. Any thoughts here?



Many thanks.



Chris






Re: Selecting Files

Sascha Cowley
 

Ctrl+↓ moves the focus without affecting the highlight. Do you mean Shift+↓, or am I missing something?


Re: using NVDA with Bluetooth

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Sorry, I should have been clearer. The AirPods connect via Bluetooth. They connect fine, it’s just that slight delay and truncating of the first part of NVDA speech that makes them unusable for me. Would love if this has been fixed somehow. Thanks.

On Jan 6, 2021, at 2:57 PM, Luke Robinett via groups.io <blindgroupsluke=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hey Bob and others,
I’ve tried several times in the recent past to use my Apple AirPods with my PC and NVDA but it never works very well. There’s a bit of lag and the first bit of whatever NVDA speaks gets chopped off. Has this since been fixed, either in windows or NVDA?

On Jan 1, 2021, at 8:58 PM, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:

Ah, not sure how I missed this until this morning, but just tried it
and it works brilliantly! Now all I have to decide is which output to
stream to the speaker, Zara or NVDA. I think this is going to work
though. Now all I need is a test server to put into Alta Cast so I can
try this out.

On 12/31/20, Jackie <abletec@gmail.com> wrote:
Bob, please try going to your synthesizer settings (control+NVDA+s),
select your synthesizer, & set your desired audio output device there.

On 12/31/20, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
It was a post on this list that inspired me to try using NVDA with my
Bluetooth speaker, and to my surprise, it actually worked. My question
is, can I somehow tell NVDA and only NVDA to output to the Bluetooth
speaker, and have everything else still come through the computer
speakers?
Bob






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Re: Selecting Files

Sascha Cowley
 

You should not need to use Ctrl while doing this; Shift + ↓ will extend a continuous selection. Using Ctrl + Shift + ↓ seems to continue a non-continuous selection from the last selected item (IE the one nearest above where you are in the list). With that in mind, are you trying to use Ctrl+Shift+↓ in a list view where nothing is selected? If so, try pressing Space on the item you want to be the first selected item, then using Ctrl+Shift+↓.


Re: using NVDA with Bluetooth

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Hey Bob and others,
I’ve tried several times in the recent past to use my Apple AirPods with my PC and NVDA but it never works very well. There’s a bit of lag and the first bit of whatever NVDA speaks gets chopped off. Has this since been fixed, either in windows or NVDA?

On Jan 1, 2021, at 8:58 PM, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:

Ah, not sure how I missed this until this morning, but just tried it
and it works brilliantly! Now all I have to decide is which output to
stream to the speaker, Zara or NVDA. I think this is going to work
though. Now all I need is a test server to put into Alta Cast so I can
try this out.

On 12/31/20, Jackie <abletec@gmail.com> wrote:
Bob, please try going to your synthesizer settings (control+NVDA+s),
select your synthesizer, & set your desired audio output device there.

On 12/31/20, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
It was a post on this list that inspired me to try using NVDA with my
Bluetooth speaker, and to my surprise, it actually worked. My question
is, can I somehow tell NVDA and only NVDA to output to the Bluetooth
speaker, and have everything else still come through the computer
speakers?
Bob






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Re: Selecting Files

David Goldfield
 

Chris,

I usually press control with down arrow to select files contiguously. I’m not familiar with adding the shift key to perform this task, at least if we’re talking about File Explorer.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 5:45 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files

 

Hello:

 

When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more files, nothing is selected.  I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail.  Any thoughts here?

 

Many thanks.

 

Chris

 

 


Selecting Files

Christopher Gray
 

Hello:

 

When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more files, nothing is selected.  I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail.  Any thoughts here?

 

Many thanks.

 

Chris

 

 


Re: Add-on version 21.01 released: Enhanced Touch Gestures, Resource Monitor, StationPlaylist, Windows 10 App Essentials #addonrelease

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


You must have the following add on installed into nvda called add on updater which can be found at https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/addonUpdater.en.html <https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/addonUpdater.en.html>

After it has been installed into nvda it will then look for compatible add ons and look for a newer version of that add on.


I think you can also force it to look for updated add ons by going to tools then check for check for add on updates then follow directions.


there are some I guess call third party add ons which will not work with it until a add on author makes it compatible with the add on updater.

I mean by this they may come off other websites.

So they will not be updated.


Gene nz

On 6/01/2021 10:41 pm, aad leeflang wrote:
hello joseph,

i am not so familiar with nvda but i use the station playlist ad-on.
i understand that i can jupdate the ad-on to use it with station playlist 5.30.
you wrote that you can update add-ons by using the updater.
i have been looking at the add-ons in my list but there is no update add-on button there.
can you please tell me how i can update them?

many thanks,
aad leeflang




Re: Add-on version 21.01 released: Enhanced Touch Gestures, Resource Monitor, StationPlaylist, Windows 10 App Essentials #addonrelease

 

Hello,

         I'm not Joseph, but what he's saying is that all add-ons will be checked to see if they are at their latest versions, and you'll be alerted that new updates are available if they are not, if you install the Add-On Updater Add-On.

         It even checks whether it is up to date, and will tell you when a newer version of itself becomes available.  I believe that this functionality will eventually be integrated into the NVDA core code, but until then the easiest way to have something monitor your collection of Add-Ons to make sure you have the latest is to use Add-On Updater.
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Re: Add-on version 21.01 released: Enhanced Touch Gestures, Resource Monitor, StationPlaylist, Windows 10 App Essentials #addonrelease

aad leeflang <aad@...>
 

hello joseph,

i am not so familiar with nvda but i use the station playlist ad-on.
i understand that i can jupdate the ad-on to use it with station playlist 5.30.
you wrote that you can update add-ons by using the updater.
i have been looking at the add-ons in my list but there is no update add-on button there.
can you please tell me how i can update them?

many thanks,
aad leeflang


Add-on version 21.01 released: Enhanced Touch Gestures, Resource Monitor, StationPlaylist, Windows 10 App Essentials #addonrelease

 

Hello everyone,

Four add-ons were updated to version 21.01:

  • Enhanced Touch Gestures: dedicated touch support toggle command was removed from the add-on as NVDA provides one. As a result, NVDA 2020.3 or later is required, and Enhanced Touch Gestures settings panel is hereby removed. For Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update/build 16299) users, performing a four finger flick left from a text field will summon dictation feature (Windows+H).
  • Resource Monitor: Windows version information is shortened. On Windows 8.x, Windows version announcement will now include build.revision information similar to the one Windows 10 users are accustomed to.
  • StationPlaylist: version 21.01 requires NVDA 2020.3 ion order to take advantage of recent GUI feature changes from NVDA, and SPL Studio 5.30 or later is required. Also, version 20.09.5-LTS (long-term support) version is also available for Studio 5.20 users, and I expect it will be the second to last 20.09.x release.
  • Windows 10 App Essentials: version 21.01 is the last version to support Windows 10 Version 1909 (November 2019 Update/build 18363), with the next stable version requiring Version 2004 (May 2020 Update/build 19041) or later. It also restores support for recent Mail and Calendar app and resolves history and memory list item announcements in Calculator. Also, from 21.01, NVDA 2020.3 or later is required.

 

As always, the new add-on updates can be retrieved via Add-on Updater or from community add-ons website.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Admin's Notes Re List Conduct, Please Read #adminnotice

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I really do not have time to join a chat like that. I already have difficulty staying up with my email some days as it is so will just see if what I learn from the course I have begun today will give me what I need. Thanks for the offer, though.


On 1/5/2021 6:59 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 02:51 PM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote:
Brian, I would love to have that type of training. I would need the time to be able to write down specific notes and steps to follow so I could relate to them later as they will not be remembered
-
Then I would really, really encourage you to engage in the Chat Subgroup where you can engage in Q&A to your heart's content, and ask at your own pace.

My only suggestion is that you give specific requests, e.g., Can someone walk me through ordering an item on Amazon?, rather than something like, "Can someone teach me how to shop online?"   The second question is just too broad to be answered, as sites vary wildly as to the exact details of their interfaces, while single sites like Amazon tend to be as close to 100% consistent as they can be, regardless of what you're ordering.

Were this to be an accurate example, and the thing you want to order is not private in nature, even stating what that is can be really helpful for anyone who wants to assist.  You can give far more exact descriptions of what the person who's asking will actually encounter.

It has been my experience that once someone has confidence on how to do a defined thing in a specific venue, they can generalize to a related thing in that specific venue relatively easily.  And it's far easier to teach or guide when you as the teacher or guide know what the destination is.

Here are the addresses for the NVDA Chat Subgroup, which allows discussion of anything within the bounds of civil discourse, not just NVDA:

To join:  chat+subscribe@nvda.groups.io

To post:  chat@nvda.groups.io

To unsubscribe:  chat+unsubscribe@nvda.groups.io

To receive a message containing the group description, and a list of these commands:  chat+help@nvda.groups.io

To stop receiving messages via email (you may still read messages on the Web):  chat+nomail@nvda.groups.io

This can also be used to put a vacation stop on group messages, then use one of the addresses below to resume delivery in the format of your choice.

To receive each group messages individually:  chat+single@nvda.groups.io

This is the default delivery unless you send a message to one of the addresses that follows.

To receive group messages in an HTML formatted digest:  chat+fulldigest@nvda.groups.io

To receive group messages in a plain text digest:  chat+digest@nvda.groups.io

To receive a daily summary instead of individual messages:  chat+summary@nvda.groups.io

To receive only special messages:  chat+special@nvda.groups.io

To contact the group owner(s):  chat+owner@nvda.groups.io 
 
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