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Re: Using the Thunderbird addon

Gene
 

I may be less alert this morning for some reason.  I made another mistake.  I meant to say there is a Mozilla add-on that provides first letter navigation.  The NVDA add-on does the other things I described.

Gene

On 5/3/2022 10:11 AM, Gene wrote:

There is an NVDA add-on that provides first letter navigation in the folders tree view.

If you use NVDA, there is an NVDA add-on that makes arranging the order of headers such as from line and subject line accessible.  You can also cause headers to be shown or not shown.

Do you want information on both add-ons?

Gene
On 5/3/2022 6:30 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
Is there an NVDA addon for thunderbird? I didn't see one when I pressed alt+g in manage addons.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2022 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the Thunderbird addon


NVDA+H


Rui Fontes


Às 20:47 de 02/05/2022, Larry Higgins escreveu:
I just downloaded the Thunderbird addon for column arrangement and would like to know how to access it within Thunderbird client. Just the key stroke, I'll take it from there, or at least I hope that will be the case <smile>.


Thanks,


Larry

















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Re: I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

Gene
 

I meant to say you explained how to install an add-on using Thunderbird itself.

Gene
On 5/3/2022 10:21 AM, Gene wrote:

You explained how to install an add-on using NVDA itself, that is, using the built in browser to search for and install an add-on.  I may try to find your original message but as I recall, you said, however you worded it, that you can't install an add-on from a downloaded file.  I explained how you can download an add-on using an independent browser and install it.

Gene

On 5/3/2022 8:05 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 01:25 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, it is not true that you can't install an add-on from a file you have downloaded in a browser.
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Where did I say that, Gene?  I didn't.
 
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Re: I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

Gene
 

I meant to say I don't see why the add-on would cause this behavior.

Gene

On 5/3/2022 10:14 AM, Gene wrote:

I don't see why the attachment would cause the problem.  I suggested removing it because at times, seemingly irrational things happen.

As far as seeing messages in a different window is concerned, I don't see why that would cause what you are describing, but in another message, after I find it, I'll explain how to change a setting to have all messages display in the same window.

Gene

On 5/3/2022 6:31 AM, Larry Higgins wrote:
Well Gene, I never managed to get the Thunderbird addon installed, but did get the columns addon installed for NVDA, and it really looked like I had something. At least I had the read and unread labels set at the beginning of the message columns presentation.


Now I can't be sure that might have had nothing to do with it, but at the time, it didn't appear so.


Now my messages are opening up in another window, and in that setting, I have quite a bit of screen clutter, but at least I can read my mail.


I am using the reply to all option on the messages web page looking presentation in that window to send this reply.


Thank God I'm not completely out of the saddle, but it just isn't anything like the way I prefer my environment to look like or function.


Hopefully I have given you and anyone else who could add some helpful suggestions enough details to work with.


And yes, I was considering uninstalling the whole program.


I was reading an article going back to 2013 suggesting that one in this circumstance could uninstall a couple of settings and configuration files, but considering the changes that Thunderbird goes through over time, I'm definitely hesitant to do any of that.


Surely there has to be a way.


BTW, I really don't wish to discuss this topic here on this list, especially due to the fact that this is probably not even close to an NVDA issue, so if any of you could just send suggestions to the address below, that would most likely be preferable to all concerned.


larryhiggins22@...

Thanks a bunch,

Larry

On 5/3/2022 12:01 AM, Gene wrote:
I doubt that uninstalling and reinstalling Thunderbird would solve the problem unless you do more than just a typical uninstallation. Thunderbird, as do most programs now, save settings when uninstalled in case the user wants to install and use the program again.  If this is a settings problem, uninstalling and reinstalling should not correct it.

If the wrong add-on has been placed in the program, it may be that uninstalling and reinstalling the program would solve the problem. That may uninstall the add-on.  But if you are using a POP3 account, would you lose the e-mail stored in the program?  I don't know but if you don't want to take a chance, don't uninstall it until you find out.

You could try uninstalling the add-on just to see if that helps.

Gene













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Re: I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

 

On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 11:21 AM, Gene wrote:
I may try to find your original message but as I recall, you said, however you worded it, that you can't install an add-on from a downloaded file. 
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First, this message, which I've conveniently found for your review, see , was in the topic Using the Thunderbird addon, not this one.

I said absolutely nothing in that post regarding other methods, I gave what I consider the most common, and convenient, way of acquiring Thunderbird add-ons sans any comment about alternative methods (none of which had been previously discussed in any detail, I might add).  I will ask you, again, to please stop reacting to what you think I've said when I've said no such thing.

Also, and I know it can happen, please try to avoid "cross tying" two different topics.  We all do it by accident every once in a while.
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Re: mouse hover

Gene
 

NVDA key enter isn't described in input help.  All NVDA says is NVDA enter.  What does it do that just enter doesn't?

Gene

On 5/3/2022 9:50 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Jean,

 

In certain applications like Quickbooks, the Mouse Over thing expands a menu, so you have to use it.

 

NVDA isn’t good at coping with Mouse Overs, JAWS takes you directly to it, with Control Insert Enter, but you may be able to achieve the same with NVDA Key and Enter.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 02 May 2022 00:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] mouse hover

 

I often find that on web pages, using NVDA, the mouse can't be moved to your current position.  I don't know if other screen-readers allow that.  But even if you could, it would be very cumbersome to use such a way of working in NVDA. 

In JAWS, when you are on such a link, you hear mouse over announced. There is a JAWS command to do the equivalent of hovering the mouse over the link.  You are told something like, page changes at line 11.  You can then use a jump to line command to jump to that line and see what has changed.  You can, as I recall, use a return to your previous position command when you want to go back to where you were.

With NVDA, you would have to hover the mouse, and with no feed back about where the page changed, look through the page to see if you could find where the new material is. 

I almost never miss information I want by not using this feature.  I can't say I don't miss any information but I have never missed the ability.  And in JAWS, I often find that mouse over links add nothing useful, maybe changing the page visually in some way in some place.

Others who use the Internet in different ways may have different opinions but I suspect that this is one of the most unneeded possible features and I suspect that that is why JAWS is the only screen-reader to have it.

Gene

On 5/1/2022 5:40 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Hi List,

 

Lately I have come across online pages where I am supposed to let the mouse hover  on a link or message for “moreoptions”.

Can I do the equivilant   of a mouse hover  with nvda and not tare my hair out?

 

Thanks,

 

Mont

 



Re: I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

Gene
 

You explained how to install an add-on using NVDA itself, that is, using the built in browser to search for and install an add-on.  I may try to find your original message but as I recall, you said, however you worded it, that you can't install an add-on from a downloaded file.  I explained how you can download an add-on using an independent browser and install it.

Gene

On 5/3/2022 8:05 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 01:25 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, it is not true that you can't install an add-on from a file you have downloaded in a browser.
-
Where did I say that, Gene?  I didn't.
 
--

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You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed



Re: I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

Gene
 

I don't see why the attachment would cause the problem.  I suggested removing it because at times, seemingly irrational things happen.

As far as seeing messages in a different window is concerned, I don't see why that would cause what you are describing, but in another message, after I find it, I'll explain how to change a setting to have all messages display in the same window.

Gene

On 5/3/2022 6:31 AM, Larry Higgins wrote:

Well Gene, I never managed to get the Thunderbird addon installed, but did get the columns addon installed for NVDA, and it really looked like I had something. At least I had the read and unread labels set at the beginning of the message columns presentation.


Now I can't be sure that might have had nothing to do with it, but at the time, it didn't appear so.


Now my messages are opening up in another window, and in that setting, I have quite a bit of screen clutter, but at least I can read my mail.


I am using the reply to all option on the messages web page looking presentation in that window to send this reply.


Thank God I'm not completely out of the saddle, but it just isn't anything like the way I prefer my environment to look like or function.


Hopefully I have given you and anyone else who could add some helpful suggestions enough details to work with.


And yes, I was considering uninstalling the whole program.


I was reading an article going back to 2013 suggesting that one in this circumstance could uninstall a couple of settings and configuration files, but considering the changes that Thunderbird goes through over time, I'm definitely hesitant to do any of that.


Surely there has to be a way.


BTW, I really don't wish to discuss this topic here on this list, especially due to the fact that this is probably not even close to an NVDA issue, so if any of you could just send suggestions to the address below, that would most likely be preferable to all concerned.


larryhiggins22@...

Thanks a bunch,

Larry

On 5/3/2022 12:01 AM, Gene wrote:
I doubt that uninstalling and reinstalling Thunderbird would solve the problem unless you do more than just a typical uninstallation. Thunderbird, as do most programs now, save settings when uninstalled in case the user wants to install and use the program again.  If this is a settings problem, uninstalling and reinstalling should not correct it.

If the wrong add-on has been placed in the program, it may be that uninstalling and reinstalling the program would solve the problem. That may uninstall the add-on.  But if you are using a POP3 account, would you lose the e-mail stored in the program?  I don't know but if you don't want to take a chance, don't uninstall it until you find out.

You could try uninstalling the add-on just to see if that helps.

Gene













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Re: Using the Thunderbird addon

Gene
 

There is an NVDA add-on that provides first letter navigation in the folders tree view.

If you use NVDA, there is an NVDA add-on that makes arranging the order of headers such as from line and subject line accessible.  You can also cause headers to be shown or not shown.

Do you want information on both add-ons?

Gene
On 5/3/2022 6:30 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:

Is there an NVDA addon for thunderbird? I didn't see one when I pressed alt+g in manage addons.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2022 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the Thunderbird addon


NVDA+H


Rui Fontes


Às 20:47 de 02/05/2022, Larry Higgins escreveu:
I just downloaded the Thunderbird addon for column arrangement and would like to know how to access it within Thunderbird client. Just the key stroke, I'll take it from there, or at least I hope that will be the case <smile>.


Thanks,


Larry

















.


Re: mouse hover

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Jean,

 

In certain applications like Quickbooks, the Mouse Over thing expands a menu, so you have to use it.

 

NVDA isn’t good at coping with Mouse Overs, JAWS takes you directly to it, with Control Insert Enter, but you may be able to achieve the same with NVDA Key and Enter.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 02 May 2022 00:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] mouse hover

 

I often find that on web pages, using NVDA, the mouse can't be moved to your current position.  I don't know if other screen-readers allow that.  But even if you could, it would be very cumbersome to use such a way of working in NVDA. 

In JAWS, when you are on such a link, you hear mouse over announced. There is a JAWS command to do the equivalent of hovering the mouse over the link.  You are told something like, page changes at line 11.  You can then use a jump to line command to jump to that line and see what has changed.  You can, as I recall, use a return to your previous position command when you want to go back to where you were.

With NVDA, you would have to hover the mouse, and with no feed back about where the page changed, look through the page to see if you could find where the new material is. 

I almost never miss information I want by not using this feature.  I can't say I don't miss any information but I have never missed the ability.  And in JAWS, I often find that mouse over links add nothing useful, maybe changing the page visually in some way in some place.

Others who use the Internet in different ways may have different opinions but I suspect that this is one of the most unneeded possible features and I suspect that that is why JAWS is the only screen-reader to have it.

Gene

On 5/1/2022 5:40 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Hi List,

 

Lately I have come across online pages where I am supposed to let the mouse hover  on a link or message for “moreoptions”.

Can I do the equivilant   of a mouse hover  with nvda and not tare my hair out?

 

Thanks,

 

Mont

 


Re: pronouncing nine hundred

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

I can't confirm this using Microsoft SAPI5 with ETI Eloquence from code factory. 900 reds as it should.


On 5/3/2022 7:54 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
No matter which Sappi 5 synth I use nine zero zero is pronounced nine point o o.
 
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Re: I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

 

On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 01:25 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, it is not true that you can't install an add-on from a file you have downloaded in a browser.
-
Where did I say that, Gene?  I didn't.
 
--

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Re: Using the Thunderbird addon

 

Robert,

You really need to review topics in their entirety before posting additional questions that have, literally, just been answered.

I have no intention of retyping step-by-step instructions that I literally just offered less than 24 hours ago, on this very topic, on how to install the Quick Folder Key Navigation Thunderbird add-on.  Gene gave the direct link to the Mozilla Apps Enhancements NVDA add-on, and I gave it again as well.

Review the content of the topic, please.  It's the very least you can do.
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Re: pronouncing nine hundred

 

Check your speech dictionaries.  This sounds like a direct side effect of one of the "quick and dirty" methods that have been proposed for getting numbers pronounced as single digits rather than, in this case, nine hundred.
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pronouncing nine hundred

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

No matter which Sappi 5 synth I use nine zero zero is pronounced nine point o o.
 
******
God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm willing to wait on the blessing he has in store for me!
 
______
 
Family times Theatre
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Ask your smart speaker to play Family Times on tune-in


Re: Using the Thunderbird addon

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


Brian, I am switching for the first time to thunderbird. I have five accounts. How do I jump from account to account?

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2022 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the Thunderbird addon

And this is an excellent example of the difference between an actual Thunderbird add-on, Quick Folder Key Navigation, and an NVDA add-on that works with Thunderbird (and Firefox), Mozilla Apps Enhancements.

I've been recommending the Quick Folder Key Navigation Thunderbird Add-On for any screen reader user of Thunderbird for years now.
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You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
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Re: I've really managed to mess up my Thunderbird

Larry Higgins
 

Well Gene, I never managed to get the Thunderbird addon installed, but did get the columns addon installed for NVDA, and it really looked like I had something. At least I had the read and unread labels set at the beginning of the message columns presentation.


Now I can't be sure that might have had nothing to do with it, but at the time, it didn't appear so.


Now my messages are opening up in another window, and in that setting, I have quite a bit of screen clutter, but at least I can read my mail.


I am using the reply to all option on the messages web page looking presentation in that window to send this reply.


Thank God I'm not completely out of the saddle, but it just isn't anything like the way I prefer my environment to look like or function.


Hopefully I have given you and anyone else who could add some helpful suggestions enough details to work with.


And yes, I was considering uninstalling the whole program.


I was reading an article going back to 2013 suggesting that one in this circumstance could uninstall a couple of settings and configuration files, but considering the changes that Thunderbird goes through over time, I'm definitely hesitant to do any of that.


Surely there has to be a way.


BTW, I really don't wish to discuss this topic here on this list, especially due to the fact that this is probably not even close to an NVDA issue, so if any of you could just send suggestions to the address below, that would most likely be preferable to all concerned.


larryhiggins22@...

Thanks a bunch,

Larry

On 5/3/2022 12:01 AM, Gene wrote:
I doubt that uninstalling and reinstalling Thunderbird would solve the problem unless you do more than just a typical uninstallation. Thunderbird, as do most programs now, save settings when uninstalled in case the user wants to install and use the program again.  If this is a settings problem, uninstalling and reinstalling should not correct it.

If the wrong add-on has been placed in the program, it may be that uninstalling and reinstalling the program would solve the problem. That may uninstall the add-on.  But if you are using a POP3 account, would you lose the e-mail stored in the program?  I don't know but if you don't want to take a chance, don't uninstall it until you find out.

You could try uninstalling the add-on just to see if that helps.

Gene







Re: Using the Thunderbird addon

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Is there an NVDA addon for thunderbird? I didn't see one when I pressed alt+g in manage addons.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2022 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the Thunderbird addon


NVDA+H


Rui Fontes


Às 20:47 de 02/05/2022, Larry Higgins escreveu:
I just downloaded the Thunderbird addon for column arrangement and would like to know how to access it within Thunderbird client. Just the key stroke, I'll take it from there, or at least I hope that will be the case <smile>.


Thanks,


Larry








Re: Using the Thunderbird addon

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


I am going to be switching to Thunderbird for the first time. Where do I find  "quick folder"

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2022 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the Thunderbird addon

And this is an excellent example of the difference between an actual Thunderbird add-on, Quick Folder Key Navigation, and an NVDA add-on that works with Thunderbird (and Firefox), Mozilla Apps Enhancements.

I've been recommending the Quick Folder Key Navigation Thunderbird Add-On for any screen reader user of Thunderbird for years now.
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Re: can't navigate using arrow keys in any edit fields

 

Hi,

Can you do the following please:

  1. Restart NVDA in debug mode (NVDA+Q, select "restart with debug logging").
  2. Reproduce the issue (say, press arrow keys while focused on any edit field).
  3. Provide the debug log (open NVDA log viewer with NVDA+F1, select all, then copy and paste the selected log text as a private email reply to me).

I will then perform some analysis and provide results to the forum afterwards if I notice something.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: can't navigate using arrow keys in any edit fields

VI Techability
 

hi the nvda version is 2021.3.5  and windows version is 21H2 (OS Build 22000.652) 

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