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Às 20:47 de 02/05/2022, Larry Higgins escreveu:

I just downloaded the Thunderbird addon for column arrangement and would like to know how to access it within Thunderbird client. Just the key stroke, I'll take it from there, or at least I hope that will be the case <smile>.


Thanks,


Larry

On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 08:53 AM, VI Techability wrote:

I am using latest version of nvda with windows 11.

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Please provide:   The actual NVDA version number  (NVDA + N, H, A)
                             The Windows 11 Version and Build Numbers (available using the Winver command from command prompt or just hitting the Windows Key, typing winver, then hitting enter)
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed

hello, yes i restarted my laptop and check if mouse button is locked and it is not locked. i also turned off  mouse tracking and tried but no fix. thanks for your suggestion 

hi thanks a lot for the suggestion but it didn't work.

What does it matter if it is?

There are often behind the scenes negotiations between the various players in the software world who are closely allied.  It's far preferable that this actually occur.  But there's nothing you can do about it, in any case.

The end goal is to have everything working together as it should, no matter what is done to accomplish that, by the time closely intertwined software hits the street with a new release.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed

Don,

You, and all members, need to understand that most commercial software makers, and quite a few of the non-commercial developers of NVDA software, are not, do not, and will not, be issuing add-ons compatible with any given NVDA version to the public until and unless it is a released version.

Using either alpha, or beta, software often means you will not have a number of the add-ons you are accustomed to having.  You sometimes won't even have them when the software reaches the Release Candidate stage or until shortly after the new release is actually released as the production version.

This add-on already has a testing version in the pipeline.  It's not going to be released to the general public until NVDA 2022.1 goes live as the production version.  If you must have this add-on, do not use alpha or beta software versions.  

If you need to have any specific add-on guaranteed to function with NVDA, do not use alpha or beta versions of NVDA.  I want this idea to become lodged in the craniums of each and every member of this group.  You simply cannot expect either alpha or beta versions of any given piece of software to have exactly the same overall support, particularly from third-party add-ons, as its production counterpart.  That virtually never happens.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed

The initial question was about getting a version of Bookworm that would work with NVDA, and not knowing whether there were old versions that might not, that question falls squarely into the mission of the NVDA group.

I appreciate all that everyone has done to help each other out as well, but that doesn't change the fact that virtually every ongoing Bookwork topic is about technical support for Bookworm itself, having no direct connection of any sort to NVDA.

Please take this conversation, and those of a similar nature, to the Chat Subgroup.  One of the reasons, and from history it seems to be the primary one, for its existence is to allow extended conversations about off-topic subjects among members of this community who wish to engage in same.  How to use Bookworm and how to get Bookworm to install is not NVDA related - it's about Bookworm.

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them.
     ~ Ursula LeGuin, The Dispossessed

I don't recall if you said what browser you are using.  Also, since you may well run across this problem again, solving the problem now may save you trouble in the future and in the future, you may not have the option you are asking for now. 

Gene

Hi, I waited until today's release of NVDA 2022 Beta 4.

I use StartisBack as a replacement for the Windows menu.

Well in the beta versions of NVDA 2022 when I pull down the menu no and scroll it with arrows it tells me nothing.

Well if I switch to NVDA 2021.3.5 I have no problem, all menu items are verbalized without problem.

Well I leave you the two records of NVDA 2022 Beta 4 that gives an error and I leave also the information of the first item that only tells me selected and that belongs to the Notepad.

To say that it happens also with the disabled complements.

INFO - __main__ (15:44:33.131) - MainThread (11188):
Starting NVDA version 2022.1beta4
INFO - core.main (15:44:33.168) - MainThread (11188):
Config dir: C:\Users\xebol\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (15:44:33.168) - MainThread (11188):
Loading config: C:\Users\xebol\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (15:44:33.186) - MainThread (11188):
Developer Scratchpad mode enabled
INFO - core.main (15:44:33.253) - MainThread (11188):
Windows version: Windows 11 21H2 (10.0.22000) workstation
INFO - core.main (15:44:33.254) - MainThread (11188):
Using Python version 3.7.9 (tags/v3.7.9:13c94747c7, Aug 17 2020, 18:01:55) [MSC v.1900 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (15:44:33.254) - MainThread (11188):
Using comtypes version 1.1.8
INFO - core.main (15:44:33.254) - MainThread (11188):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (15:44:33.506) - MainThread (11188):
Loaded synthDriver ibmeci
WARNING - mathPres.initialize (15:44:33.514) - MainThread (11188):
MathPlayer 4 not available
INFO - core.main (15:44:33.514) - MainThread (11188):
Using wx version 4.1.1 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.1.5 with six version 1.16.0
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (15:44:33.514) - MainThread (11188):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (15:44:33.514) - MainThread (11188):
Using liblouis version 3.21.0
INFO - braille.initialize (15:44:33.518) - MainThread (11188):
Using pySerial version 3.5
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (15:44:33.528) - MainThread (11188):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
INFO - core.main (15:44:33.647) - MainThread (11188):
Java Access Bridge support initialized
INFO - UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (15:44:33.693) - UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThread (8352):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6
INFO - NVDAHelperLocal (15:44:33.756) - UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThread (8352):
Thread 8352, build\x86\UIARemote\UIARemote.cpp, initialize, 145:
Registered C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\lib\2022.1beta4\Microsoft.UI.UIAutomation.dll.manifest

INFO - NVDAHelperLocal (15:44:33.756) - UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThread (8352):
Thread 8352, build\x86\UIARemote\UIARemote.cpp, initialize, 150:
Microsoft.UI.UIAutomation is available

INFO - external:globalPlugins.commandHelper (15:44:35.259) - MainThread (11188):
Module speech_recognition version 3.8.1 succesfully loaded
(C) Anthony Zhang (Uberi) > license BSD
See the file license.txt for more copyright details.
INFO - core.main (15:44:35.274) - MainThread (11188):
NVDA initialized
WARNING - eventHandler._EventExecuter.next (15:44:39.112) - MainThread (11188):
Could not execute function event_gainFocus defined in NVDAObjects module; kwargs: {}
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 107, in next
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 1152, in event_gainFocus
  File "NVDAObjects\behaviors.pyc", line 637, in reportFocus
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 1052, in reportFocus
  File "speech\speech.pyc", line 558, in speakObject
  File "speech\speech.pyc", line 601, in getObjectSpeech
  File "speech\speech.pyc", line 453, in getObjectPropertiesSpeech
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 42, in __get__
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 146, in _getPropertyViaCache
  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\sysListView32.pyc", line 581, in _get_name
  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\sysListView32.pyc", line 447, in _getColumnLocation
TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not subscriptable
WARNING - eventHandler._EventExecuter.next (15:44:39.113) - MainThread (11188):
Could not execute function event_gainFocus defined in appModules.explorer module; kwargs: {}
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 107, in next
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 1152, in event_gainFocus
  File "NVDAObjects\behaviors.pyc", line 637, in reportFocus
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 1052, in reportFocus
  File "speech\speech.pyc", line 558, in speakObject
  File "speech\speech.pyc", line 601, in getObjectSpeech
  File "speech\speech.pyc", line 453, in getObjectPropertiesSpeech
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 42, in __get__
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 146, in _getPropertyViaCache
  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\sysListView32.pyc", line 581, in _get_name
  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\sysListView32.pyc", line 447, in _getColumnLocation
TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not subscriptable

During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 107, in next
  File "appModules\explorer.pyc", line 506, in event_gainFocus
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 114, in next
  File "extensionPoints\util.pyc", line 170, in callWithSupportedKwargs
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 1152, in event_gainFocus
  File "NVDAObjects\behaviors.pyc", line 637, in reportFocus
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 1052, in reportFocus
  File "speech\speech.pyc", line 558, in speakObject
  File "speech\speech.pyc", line 601, in getObjectSpeech
  File "speech\speech.pyc", line 453, in getObjectPropertiesSpeech
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 42, in __get__
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 146, in _getPropertyViaCache
  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\sysListView32.pyc", line 581, in _get_name
  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\sysListView32.pyc", line 447, in _getColumnLocation
TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not subscriptable
INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (15:44:41.793) - MainThread (11188):
Developer info for navigator object:
name: exception: 'NoneType' object is not subscriptable
role: Role.LISTITEM
roleText: None
states: State.FOCUSABLE, State.SELECTABLE, State.FOCUSED, State.SELECTED
isFocusable: True
hasFocus: True
Python object: <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.sysListView32.ListItem object at 0x0A158130>
Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.sysListView32.ListItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.RowWithFakeNavigation'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.RowWithoutCellObjects'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.sysListView32.ListItemWithoutColumnSupport'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <class 'garbageHandler.TrackedObject'>, <class 'object'>)
description: None
location: RectLTWH(left=11, top=448, width=371, height=55)
value: None
appModule: <'explorer' (appName 'explorer', process ID 5036) at address 5bcc7b0>
appModule.productName: 'Sistema operativo Microsoft® Windows®'
appModule.productVersion: '10.0.22000.613'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 65878
windowClassName: 'SysListView32'
windowControlID: 0
windowStyle: 1442849351
extendedWindowStyle: 0
windowThreadID: 4312
windowText: ''
displayText: 'Bloc de notas'
IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x7fc3880 at a11c710>
IAccessibleChildID: 1
IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=65878, objectID=-4, childID=1
IAccessible accName: 'Bloc de notas'
IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_LISTITEM
IAccessible accState: STATE_SYSTEM_SELECTED, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SYSTEM_SELECTABLE, STATE_SYSTEM_VALID (3145734)
IAccessible accDescription: None
IAccessible accValue: None

Then, I leave you the log and the same item focused with NVDA 2021.3.5 which verbalizes well saying Notepad and with which I have no problem.


INFO - __main__ (15:51:21.540) - MainThread (12596):
Starting NVDA version 2021.3.5
INFO - core.main (15:51:21.641) - MainThread (12596):
Config dir: D:\NVDA 2021.3.4\userConfig
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (15:51:21.641) - MainThread (12596):
Loading config: D:\NVDA 2021.3.4\userConfig\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (15:51:21.717) - MainThread (12596):
Windows version: Windows 11 21H2 (10.0.22000) workstation
INFO - core.main (15:51:21.717) - MainThread (12596):
Using Python version 3.7.9 (tags/v3.7.9:13c94747c7, Aug 17 2020, 18:01:55) [MSC v.1900 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (15:51:21.717) - MainThread (12596):
Using comtypes version 1.1.8
INFO - core.main (15:51:21.717) - MainThread (12596):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (15:51:22.492) - MainThread (12596):
Loaded synthDriver ibmeci
INFO - core.main (15:51:22.492) - MainThread (12596):
Using wx version 4.1.1 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.1.5 with six version 1.16.0
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (15:51:22.501) - MainThread (12596):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (15:51:22.502) - MainThread (12596):
Using liblouis version 3.19.0
INFO - braille.initialize (15:51:22.502) - MainThread (12596):
Using pySerial version 3.5
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (15:51:22.502) - MainThread (12596):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
INFO - core.main (15:51:22.670) - MainThread (12596):
Java Access Bridge support initialized
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (15:51:22.721) - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThread (20252):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6
INFO - external:globalPlugins.commandHelper (15:51:24.082) - MainThread (12596):
Module speech_recognition version 3.8.1 succesfully loaded
(C) Anthony Zhang (Uberi) > license BSD
INFO - core.main (15:51:24.188) - MainThread (12596):
NVDA initialized
INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (15:51:32.562) - MainThread (12596):
Developer info for navigator object:
name: 'Bloc de notas'
role: Role.LISTITEM
roleText: None
states: State.FOCUSABLE, State.SELECTABLE, State.FOCUSED, State.SELECTED
isFocusable: True
hasFocus: True
Python object: <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.sysListView32.ListItem object at 0x0915F770>
Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.sysListView32.ListItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.RowWithFakeNavigation'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.RowWithoutCellObjects'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.sysListView32.ListItemWithoutColumnSupport'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <class 'garbageHandler.TrackedObject'>, <class 'object'>)
description: None
location: RectLTWH(left=11, top=448, width=371, height=55)
value: None
appModule: <'explorer' (appName 'explorer', process ID 5036) at address 5d3e7b0>
appModule.productName: 'Sistema operativo Microsoft® Windows®'
appModule.productVersion: '10.0.22000.613'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 65878
windowClassName: 'SysListView32'
windowControlID: 0
windowStyle: 1442849351
extendedWindowStyle: 0
windowThreadID: 4312
windowText: ''
displayText: 'Bloc de notas'
IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x5550308 at 9910da0>
IAccessibleChildID: 1
IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=65878, objectID=-4, childID=1
IAccessible accName: 'Bloc de notas'
IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_LISTITEM
IAccessible accState: STATE_SYSTEM_SELECTED, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SYSTEM_SELECTABLE, STATE_SYSTEM_VALID (3145734)
IAccessible accDescription: None
IAccessible accValue: None

Does anyone know anything?

Thank you very much.

Some of the members in the group have been discussing these symptoms while editing and using arrow keys and not getting any speech output from nvdA

The only work around I have heard of is to change focus to something else and then come back to the edit field and you may restore the arrow key speech output

One example was while editing in word if you experience these symptoms you could hit the ALT key and then hit it again and come back to your edit and it could be restored

I hope this helps

Russ

So I got a message from Code Factory that the NVDA developers were going to make NVDA 2022.1 compatible with the Code Factory NVDA addon. I just tried to install the NVDA 2022.1 beta 4 and it still shows that the code Factory addon is not conpatible with the beta. Could someone please explain what is really going on?
Thanks

Have you tried restarting your computer? Could your mouse button be locked?

I contacted Code Factory as to when their NVDA addon for
vocalizer/eleoquinse would be updated for NVDA 2022.1 and below is their
response. Is what they say true?
Hello,

Thank you for your email.

We contacted the developers of NVDA, and we were informed that they
intend to roll back the changes that break compatibility with our Voices
for NVDA plugin. We are waiting for verification that this has indeed
been done.

Regards,

Technical Department

Code Factory
We help human
technology interaction

Larry, here you go.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9hh64ioe8mn79tu/Bookworm-2022.1a5-x64-setup.exe?dl=1
At 06:05 AM 5/2/2022, Larry Higgins, wrote:

Listers,


I am really becoming frustrated trying to download The Bookworm app. No matter what I do, even asking to keep the app in the settings menu offered with the uncommonly downloaded warning, I can get nowhere.


I am just wondering if someone would please put these app versions in a public Dropbox folder so that some of us experiencing this issue could more readily get the chance to try out this program.


I guess I could just use the portable zipped file rather than the setup executable, but would really like to use the regular setup file for installation.


Hope I'm not asking this out of turn, but if someone could please oblige, it would really be appreciated.


Thanks,


Larry

John

Listers,


I am really becoming frustrated trying to download The Bookworm app. No matter what I do, even asking to keep the app in the settings menu offered with the uncommonly downloaded warning, I can get nowhere.


I am just wondering if someone would please put these app versions in a public Dropbox folder so that some of us experiencing this issue could more readily get the chance to try out this program.


I guess I could just use the portable zipped file rather than the setup executable, but would really like to use the  regular setup file for installation.


Hope I'm not asking this out of turn, but if someone could please oblige, it would really be appreciated.


Thanks,


Larry

You are right; I didn't think to provide my OS.   I'm running win 7.

At 09:49 PM 5/1/2022, Rowen Cary, wrote: