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Re: Making NVDA pronounce letters phonetically

Janet Brandly
 

This is a great little app. Thanks to the author, hope you’ll keep it up-to-date.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: October 4, 2021 10:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Making NVDA pronounce letters phonetically

 

What the user wants is that NVDA announces automatically the phonetic alphabet.

 

He must use this add-on:

Author: David CM
Add-on name: Enhanced Phonetic Reading
Description: This add-on add some features to phonetic reading as the following:
announce the character description for the last read character after n milliseconds when the character was read by character review commands, E.G. left and right arrow keys, left, current or right character review commands, ETC.
Read the character description instead of the current character. This feature must be enabled or disabled manually and will be deactivated when NVDA is closed.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3q51767illr4gia/EnhancedPhoneticReading_0.5a2_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=1


Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

 

Às 05:18 de 04/10/2021, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Hi Sameer,

 

NVDA can give you phonetic pronunciation, but the execution is slightly different.  If you press many NVDA keystrokes once, they will read the information, twice quickly spells it, and three times quickly spells it phonetically.  For instance, if you press NVDA+up arrow (or NVDA+l if using laptop keyboard layout), NVDA will read the current line.  If you press it twice quickly, it will spell the current line, and if you press it three times quickly it will spell it phonetically.

 

For words, press numpad 5 or NVDA+control+dot

For the current character, press numpad 2 or NVDA+dot

 

(For those thinking ahead, yes they report the word or character at the review cursor, but anyone not already familiar with that probably isn't moving the review cursor independently of the caret too often).

 

Quentin.

 

On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 2:49 PM Sameer Latey <salatey@...> wrote:


Dear List Members,


In JAWS, if the user stays on a letter for 5 seconds, JAWS will speak
the letter phonetically. For example, if the user stays on the letter G
in the word God, JAWS will first read G & after 5 seconds, say Golf.


Is there a similar setting or add-on in NVDA?


--

Regards
Sameer Latey





 

 

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Re: Windows 11 Discussions - Please have them elsewhere unless there's a direct NVDA issue involved #adminnotice

 

Yeah, I mean I'd like to get back into to discussing on  win10 group but I think my reputation is still shot overthere.



On 6/10/2021 12:13 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
First, I will admit that I am as guilty as anyone in going down the Windows 11 discussion rabbit hole today, so no one should take the following personally.

We really can't be having general Windows 11 discussions on the NVDA main group.  There will be plenty of, "I can't seem to get NVDA to do <thing X> under Windows 11," discussions, which are on topic, but the feature set of Windows 11, whether we as individuals like them, or not, or even discussions regarding whether hardware is compatible with NVDA are not on-topic for the group.

These discussions are just fine on the Chat Subgroup or, if you really want to get into Q & A about Windows 11 as a screen reader user, join the Windows Access with Screen Readers Group (Formerly: Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users Group)

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Windows 11 Discussions - Please have them elsewhere unless there's a direct NVDA issue involved #adminnotice

 

First, I will admit that I am as guilty as anyone in going down the Windows 11 discussion rabbit hole today, so no one should take the following personally.

We really can't be having general Windows 11 discussions on the NVDA main group.  There will be plenty of, "I can't seem to get NVDA to do <thing X> under Windows 11," discussions, which are on topic, but the feature set of Windows 11, whether we as individuals like them, or not, or even discussions regarding whether hardware is compatible with NVDA are not on-topic for the group.

These discussions are just fine on the Chat Subgroup or, if you really want to get into Q & A about Windows 11 as a screen reader user, join the Windows Access with Screen Readers Group (Formerly: Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users Group)

Group Archive: https://winaccess.groups.io/g/winaccess/topics

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Windows 11

Arlene
 

Hi list. Since we are talking about the system tray. I went to a friend’s house to see if this computer can take windows 11 update. I discovered I can’t upgrade. I did this in case neither Jaws or NVDA can read this app that will say you can do it or not.  I did this so I can try it should I ever have to upgrade. Sorry friends.

 

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Re: Windows 11 system tray: use grouped icons

Arlene
 

Oh, okay, it’s just the same as win ten.

 

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From: Hareth
Sent: October 5, 2021 12:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 11 system tray: use grouped icons

 

I'm using win11 and here is the case with systray with both NVDA and

jaws 2022 beta

 

Using NVDA:

Windows B command works the same as it is with win10, maybe a little

less consistent using NVDA, like you need to re do the command to get

it working.

using NVDA and the systray add-on, almost not working it just

highlights a single icon, E.G dropbox, arrow keys or 1st letter no go.

 

Using jaws 2022:

windows B command works the same as it is with win10

insert plus F11 works the same as well.

so hopefully soon NVDA systray  add-on developers would figure it just the same.

BTW the way to enable an app icon in the system tray with win11 is a

bit different from that in win10, not difficult but different.

TC

On 10/5/21, Ali Savas <ali-savas@...> wrote:

> Hello all,

> I have read that with Windows 11 it is no longer possible to display all

> icons in the system tray. I guess the icons are only shown grouped and

> only expanded as soon as you move the mouse over them.

> Are the grouped icons still usable with NVDA?

> Thanks in advance for your answer.

> Many greetings

> Ali

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Windows 11 system tray: use grouped icons

 

Hmmm I could see where users would hate that, but on the other hand you can choose what you have enabled and running.

On 6/10/2021 9:31 am, Hareth wrote:
No grouped icons option here but, you can enable each app icon in
the system tray using NVDA, by tab onetime then press
ALT plus enter
Then use the tab button until you get to
taskbar overflow grouping setting collapsed
press the spacebar on it, that would open a list of installed apps to
enable in the system tray individually.
TC


On 10/5/21, Ali Savas <ali-savas@...> wrote:
Hi,

Grouped icons were not introduced with Windows 11. All icons are already
grouped in Windows 10 as well. However, you can set the taskbar settings
to always show all icons and set the grouping to "Never". With Windows
11, however, this should no longer be possible.

For this reason I ask if you can also access these grouped icons with NVDA.

Ali







Re: Windows 11 system tray: use grouped icons

 

On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 04:55 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Reviews from cnet and others also suggest  that there is more to dislike than to like.
-
Because people dislike change, pure and simple, and they particularly dislike it in the computing world when, "What I've always done," changes.

I haven't touched Windows 11 yet, but every time something like this sort of change comes on the scene the early reviews tend to be either naysayers or cheerleaders, with very few, if any, in the "in between" zone.

Many of the complaints are about things Microsoft has already announced are to be rolled in to Windows 11 in the near future.  Others about the removal of "what I'm used to."

I'll be curious to see how actual end users react.  Windows 11 is not, at least in anything like the conventional sense, a major Windows release.  It's got way, way more in common with its immediate predecessor than is typical in a new Windows version.
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         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Re: Windows 11 system tray: use grouped icons

 

Yeah not only system tray, but context menus are not full either.

You are pushed for microsoft apps and default apps are not even supported without you mucking about all over the place.

Lets hope microsoft fixes this windows 11 vista replacement but I am happy I don't make the role out.

None of us in this house qualify for 11 though and no one else in the family has a 7700 hq cpu the minimal requirement.

Obviously my next system will not be necessarilly the latest system running 11, but I do have a copy of 10 and I can probably just have windows not install feature updates if its just that bad.

A lot of extra stuff is missing to.

I mean you can tweak it but we now need to run third party apps to restore basic functionality it seems like start 11 because microsoft broke more stuff.

Reviews from cnet and others also suggest  that there is more to dislike than to like.

On 6/10/2021 6:58 am, Ali Savas wrote:
Hello all,

I have read that with Windows 11 it is no longer possible to display all
icons in the system tray. I guess the icons are only shown grouped and
only expanded as soon as you move the mouse over them.

Are the grouped icons still usable with NVDA?

Thanks in advance for your answer.

Many greetings
Ali




Re: Does NVDA speak Arabic?

Fawaz Abdul rahman
 

Hi,
All these voices are quite bad, Microsoft's voice does not support auto-switching. Moreover, for whatever reason you can't read letter by letter with Microsoft's voice.
In general, 2 best options - probably the only 2 options - are Acapella's and Vocalizer's voices.
good luck.


On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 8:47 PM Shawn via groups.io <kb7clx=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I don’t speak Arabic, I’ve learned a handful of words from watching vids, but if I want to look at Arabic text, i.e. videos on Youtube or song titles, I prefer Persian. Espeak’s Arabic sounds awful and incomprehensible. Some of ESpeak’s languages aren’t too bad, but IMHO it’s Arabic is atrocious, and Hawaiian was a big distorted disappointment.

Shawn Klein

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, October 5, 2021 11:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does NVDA speak Arabic?

 

E-Speak supports Arabic, but I’m not sure to what extent.  Wikipedia says, “Currently, only fully diacritized Arabic is supported.” 

Since I don’t know how Arabic is written, I don’t know what sort of limitation that imposes. 

 

A lot of people don’t like E-Speak but it is something you may want to try.

 

Gene

 


Re: Windows 11 system tray: use grouped icons

Hareth <hareth4m@...>
 

No grouped icons option here but, you can enable each app icon in
the system tray using NVDA, by tab onetime then press
ALT plus enter
Then use the tab button until you get to
taskbar overflow grouping setting collapsed
press the spacebar on it, that would open a list of installed apps to
enable in the system tray individually.
TC

On 10/5/21, Ali Savas <ali-savas@...> wrote:
Hi,

Grouped icons were not introduced with Windows 11. All icons are already
grouped in Windows 10 as well. However, you can set the taskbar settings
to always show all icons and set the grouping to "Never". With Windows
11, however, this should no longer be possible.

For this reason I ask if you can also access these grouped icons with NVDA.

Ali






Re: Add-on Updater 21.10 (mandatory update) released #addonrelease

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I received the notification to roll back to Add-on Updater 2021.09 after manually updating to 2021.10 as instructed at the beginning of this thread.  I just closed the notification.
 
Louise


Re: Windows 11 system tray: use grouped icons

 

From a source I consider as reliable as they come:  Windows 11 is released: What you need to know and new features
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Re: Windows 11 system tray: use grouped icons

Bob Jutzi
 

I've used Windows 11 with NVDA since the first insider.  Since I don't
have any sight best way I can describe the new system tray is it's now
split rather than Notifications, Network status, Volume, and clock all
grouped. Similar to Windows 10, beginning with the Start Button, you can
Tab to the following: Task View (displays current running apps), Task
Bar (where Mail, and Edge are located), the the usual System tray which
only has two icons: Notifications and Network accesswed using up or down
arrow.  From here Right Arrow gets you to Volume and Clock settings
previously grouped with Notifications and Network.  Hope this isn't too
confusing.
I've had much better luck with NVDA than JAWS but never tried the new beta.

On 10/5/2021 3:51 PM, Hareth wrote:
I'm using win11 and here is the case with systray with both NVDA and
jaws 2022 beta

Using NVDA:
Windows B command works the same as it is with win10, maybe a little
less consistent using NVDA, like you need to re do the command to get
it working.
using NVDA and the systray add-on, almost not working it just
highlights a single icon, E.G dropbox, arrow keys or 1st letter no go.

Using jaws 2022:
windows B command works the same as it is with win10
insert plus F11 works the same as well.
so hopefully soon NVDA systray add-on developers would figure it just the same.
BTW the way to enable an app icon in the system tray with win11 is a
bit different from that in win10, not difficult but different.
TC
On 10/5/21, Ali Savas <ali-savas@...> wrote:
Hello all,

I have read that with Windows 11 it is no longer possible to display all
icons in the system tray. I guess the icons are only shown grouped and
only expanded as soon as you move the mouse over them.

Are the grouped icons still usable with NVDA?

Thanks in advance for your answer.

Many greetings
Ali







Re: remote

Christopher Duffley
 

I agree with this. However, I've queried the IP for the domain and it's out of Denver. I don't know how many other people in the northeast, for example, who would benefit from this particular server, given its location and how laggy it can get at times. That's why I have my own set up, and I'm also glad that nvra.io is a thing with multiple servers across the country for that very purpose.

Christopher Duffley
Host of Mission Possible Podcast: http://www.missionpossiblepodcast.com
Cell: +1 (603) 851-6971

12 Pro Max

On Oct 5, 2021, at 05:51, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:



Hi

Thanks for sharing this information with the NVDA community.  NVDA Remote is an excellent resource but since V2.4, I have had connectivity issues with it using nvdaremote.com but I didn’t know about these alternative servers.  Regarding the narrative about latency and distance between the connected computers on the nvra.io site, nvdaremote.com could still be the shortest route for some users but it’s location is not specified.  Could this be added to the site?

 

Cheers

Chris     

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Jackie
Sent: 04 October 2021 23:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] remot            e

 

Looks like those that followed thru are the initial creators of NVDA

Remote. Good for Christopher & Tyler!

 

On 10/4/21, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> Could this be another manifestation of the root certificate expiration?

> Gene

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Jim Pemberton

> Sent: Monday, October 04, 2021 3:54 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] remote

> I’ve not been able to connect all day myself.  I’m thinking that the NVDA

> remote proxy server is down.  I know I can set up my own remote server, but

> I’m not sure how to do that.  Any help would be appreciated, as I need the

> remote facility to look after my internet radio station.

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc

> Wright godfearer

> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 3:32 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: [nvda] remote

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Re: Windows 11 system tray: use grouped icons

Ali Savas
 

Hi,

Grouped icons were not introduced with Windows 11. All icons are already
grouped in Windows 10 as well. However, you can set the taskbar settings
to always show all icons and set the grouping to "Never". With Windows
11, however, this should no longer be possible.

For this reason I ask if you can also access these grouped icons with NVDA.

Ali


Re: Windows 11 system tray: use grouped icons

Hareth <hareth4m@...>
 

I'm using win11 and here is the case with systray with both NVDA and
jaws 2022 beta

Using NVDA:
Windows B command works the same as it is with win10, maybe a little
less consistent using NVDA, like you need to re do the command to get
it working.
using NVDA and the systray add-on, almost not working it just
highlights a single icon, E.G dropbox, arrow keys or 1st letter no go.

Using jaws 2022:
windows B command works the same as it is with win10
insert plus F11 works the same as well.
so hopefully soon NVDA systray add-on developers would figure it just the same.
BTW the way to enable an app icon in the system tray with win11 is a
bit different from that in win10, not difficult but different.
TC

On 10/5/21, Ali Savas <ali-savas@...> wrote:
Hello all,

I have read that with Windows 11 it is no longer possible to display all
icons in the system tray. I guess the icons are only shown grouped and
only expanded as soon as you move the mouse over them.

Are the grouped icons still usable with NVDA?

Thanks in advance for your answer.

Many greetings
Ali






Re: Windows 11 system tray: use grouped icons

Gene
 

I should add that I read an article that discussed how to make Windows 11 more like Windows 10 in some ways.  I can’t discuss any of these options and I’m not advocating anything.  But those switching to Windows 11 may find the information useful.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ali Savas
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2021 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 11 system tray: use grouped icons
 
Hi Gene,

I read it in a news portal very well known in our country and I trust this source.

Greetings
Ali

Am 05.10.2021 um 20:51 schrieb Gene:
The first thing I would want to know is where you read this. I have no opinion about whether it is correct, but I’m very careful about what sources I trust information from in cases like this. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----

From: Ali Savas
Sent: October 5, 2021 10:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 11 system tray: use grouped icons

 

Hello all,

 

I have read that with Windows 11 it is no longer possible to display all

icons in the system tray. I guess the icons are only shown grouped and

only expanded as soon as you move the mouse over them.

 

Are the grouped icons still usable with NVDA?

 

Thanks in advance for your answer.

 

Many greetings

Ali

 

 

 

 

 



Re: Windows 11 system tray: use grouped icons

Gene
 

It will be interesting to see what others say. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ali Savas
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2021 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 11 system tray: use grouped icons
 
Hi Gene,

I read it in a news portal very well known in our country and I trust this source.

Greetings
Ali

Am 05.10.2021 um 20:51 schrieb Gene:
The first thing I would want to know is where you read this. I have no opinion about whether it is correct, but I’m very careful about what sources I trust information from in cases like this. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----

From: Ali Savas
Sent: October 5, 2021 10:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 11 system tray: use grouped icons

 

Hello all,

 

I have read that with Windows 11 it is no longer possible to display all

icons in the system tray. I guess the icons are only shown grouped and

only expanded as soon as you move the mouse over them.

 

Are the grouped icons still usable with NVDA?

 

Thanks in advance for your answer.

 

Many greetings

Ali

 

 

 

 

 



Re: Windows 11 system tray: use grouped icons

Ali Savas
 

Hi Gene,

I read it in a news portal very well known in our country and I trust this source.

Greetings
Ali

Am 05.10.2021 um 20:51 schrieb Gene:

The first thing I would want to know is where you read this. I have no opinion about whether it is correct, but I’m very careful about what sources I trust information from in cases like this. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----

From: Ali Savas
Sent: October 5, 2021 10:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 11 system tray: use grouped icons

 

Hello all,

 

I have read that with Windows 11 it is no longer possible to display all

icons in the system tray. I guess the icons are only shown grouped and

only expanded as soon as you move the mouse over them.

 

Are the grouped icons still usable with NVDA?

 

Thanks in advance for your answer.

 

Many greetings

Ali

 

 

 

 

 



Re: Windows 11 system tray: use grouped icons

Arlene
 

Oh, it does? You’d probably read it differently then windows. For example you can either do incert f 11 or windows B. I use windows b all the time. With NVDA you have to use windows B not insert f 11  With other screen readers such as Jaws and others you can use insert f 11. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Sky Mundell
Sent: October 5, 2021 11:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 11 system tray: use grouped icons

 

Yes mac does have a system tray.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Tuesday, October 5, 2021 11:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 11 system tray: use grouped icons

 

Seriously? Ali, that’s strange. I believe you about the system tray.  Is Microsoft seriously trying to be like Apple? Not sure about apple, I know people who use it. I’ll ask if it has a system tray like Windows.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Ali Savas
Sent: October 5, 2021 10:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 11 system tray: use grouped icons

 

Hello all,

 

I have read that with Windows 11 it is no longer possible to display all

icons in the system tray. I guess the icons are only shown grouped and

only expanded as soon as you move the mouse over them.

 

Are the grouped icons still usable with NVDA?

 

Thanks in advance for your answer.

 

Many greetings

Ali

 

 

 

 

 

 

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