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Re: NVDA 2016.4rc1 released

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Nasrin,

Glad you like the new features! To the best of my knowledge, this
version should still work in Windows XP, we haven't changed our policy
on support for XP at least, so if something doesn't work, it's a bug.

Re the download link, I can only suggest what the others have,
otherwise, if you go to the main http://www.nvaccess.org/ page, and
find your way down to the "tweets" heading, the most recent one is the
announcement about the rc1 version and contains a link to the same
page: http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2016-4rc1-released/

Regards

Quentin.


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On 2 December 2016 at 20:45, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi quentin.
thanks extremely for your great news and excellent changes in this new version!
does this version support windows xp like previous one?
and also the download link does not work for me too!
God bless you and thanks extremely for your great news again!

On 12/2/16, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...> wrote:
Hi Quentin,

I am having a real problem trying to download rc1. The download link isn’t
working. Thanks for any help.

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 2:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released

Hi all,

NVDA 2016.4rc1 has just been released for testing. This is a release
candidate, which means that unless any critical issues are found, this
will be identical to the final 2016.4 release.

See this blog post for what's new and a download link:
http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2016-4rc1-released/

Regards

Quentin.


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Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/


Ph +61 7 3149 3306
Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org
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Re: ESpeak sounds drastically different at 100 % speed compared to 99 %

 

hi.
the best rate is for me the default rate 30 without boost and i realy
did not understand the different with high speed.
i dont like any speed except the default and even cant understand them!

On 12/2/16, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hello list,
has anyone else noticed that ESpeak sounds very different upward of a
certain rate? The exact values are greater than 99 % in normal operation,
and greater than 18 % with rate boost.
Is this an intentional effect to improve intelligibility, or is it a known
bug?
Kind regards,
Felix Grützmacher
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Re: NVDA 2016.4rc1 released

 

hi quentin.
thanks extremely for your great news and excellent changes in this new version!
does this version support windows xp like previous one?
and also the download link does not work for me too!
God bless you and thanks extremely for your great news again!

On 12/2/16, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...> wrote:
Hi Quentin,

I am having a real problem trying to download rc1. The download link isn’t
working. Thanks for any help.

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 2:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released

Hi all,

NVDA 2016.4rc1 has just been released for testing. This is a release
candidate, which means that unless any critical issues are found, this
will be identical to the final 2016.4 release.

See this blog post for what's new and a download link:
http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2016-4rc1-released/

Regards

Quentin.


--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/


Ph +61 7 3149 3306
Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

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in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


ESpeak sounds drastically different at 100 % speed compared to 99 %

Felix G.
 

Hello list,
has anyone else noticed that ESpeak sounds very different upward of a certain rate? The exact values are greater than 99 % in normal operation, and greater than 18 % with rate boost.
Is this an intentional effect to improve intelligibility, or is it a known bug?
Kind regards,
Felix Grützmacher


Re: NVDA 2016.4rc1 released

Brian's Mail list account
 

Yes indeed some email software does do odd things to links. Also I've noticed on the nvaccess site there seems to be an undetected character to the left of a link which is near the edge of a page on the left.
This effect occurs on some sites but not on others, so my guess is that it is the rendering in the browser that does it.
I always tend to cursor right one char just in case.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released


I should add that you may have to move a little above the link, then tab to it to get it to work. When I just press enter on the link when I arrow to it, it does nothing. When I tab to it, it works. I am assuming for this answer that you are viewing mail as html and are pressing enter on the link. The sort of experimentation I described above needs to be done when dealing with links that do nothing. Also, you can copy the link and paste it into the browser's address bar, then press enter. That's another thing to try when a link does nothing.

Gene
----- Original Message ------

From: Gary Metzler
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 2:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released


Hi Quentin,

I am having a real problem trying to download rc1. The download link isn’t working. Thanks for any help.

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 2:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released

Hi all,

NVDA 2016.4rc1 has just been released for testing. This is a release
candidate, which means that unless any critical issues are found, this
will be identical to the final 2016.4 release.

See this blog post for what's new and a download link:
http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2016-4rc1-released/

Regards

Quentin.


--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/


Ph +61 7 3149 3306
Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org
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Twitter: @NVAccess


Re: NVDA 2016.4rc1 released

Gene
 

I should add that you may have to move a little above the link, then tab to it to get it to work.  When I just press enter on the link when I arrow to it, it does nothing.  When I tab to it, it works.  I am assuming for this answer that you are viewing mail as html and are pressing enter on the link.  The  sort of experimentation I described above needs to be done when dealing with links that do nothing.  Also, you can copy the link and paste it into the browser's address bar, then press enter.  That's another thing to try when a link does nothing.
 
Gene

----- Original Message ------
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 2:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released

Hi Quentin,
 
I am having a real problem trying to download rc1.  The download link isn’t working.  Thanks for any help.
 
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 2:52 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released
 
Hi all,

NVDA 2016.4rc1 has just been released for testing. This is a release
candidate, which means that unless any critical issues are found, this
will be identical to the final 2016.4 release.

See this blog post for what's new and a download link:
http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2016-4rc1-released/
 
Regards
 
Quentin.
 
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www.nvaccess.org 
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Re: NVDA 2016.4rc1 released

Gene
 

The link works.  How did you try to follow it?  What happened when you tried?
 
Gene

Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 2:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released

Hi Quentin,
 
I am having a real problem trying to download rc1.  The download link isn’t working.  Thanks for any help.
 
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 2:52 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released
 
Hi all,

NVDA 2016.4rc1 has just been released for testing. This is a release
candidate, which means that unless any critical issues are found, this
will be identical to the final 2016.4 release.

See this blog post for what's new and a download link:
http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2016-4rc1-released/
 
Regards
 
Quentin.
 
--
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Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess


Re: NVDA preferred browser

 

hi.
the principles of all browsers with screen readers are the same or at
least, near to each others.
but i recommend firefox for security, speed, more accessibility, less
system resources etc.
God bless you all.

On 12/2/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Those sorts of things take very little time to listen to when on web pages
and they are often missed when effective browsing techniques are used.

gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 9:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser


Yes.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser



I'm not sure what you are referring to. Do you mean something that might
say something with an extension such as gif? If so, such items are
negligible..



Gene

----- Original Messagge -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:06 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser



I'm talking about images that you see on some web pages. I don't use webbie
that much because I do know how to navigate most web pages.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser



If you know how to navigate web pages effectively, what you are discussing
isn't a problem. I don't know what you are referring to. You see links and
various fields in Webbie as you do in other browsers. I don't know how
Webbie describes image links but image links often contain useful
information even if they aren't labeled properly. I don't know what you are
describing as graphical. Aside from image links and at times, this or that
image I may see on screen, I do not see graphical clutter.



Further discussion might allow us to know what you are describing but at
present, I don't know.



I don't know what the newer version of Webbie is like. The old version used
a very different interface than is now standard in screen-readers when used
with browsers.



Webbie used to have a useful place before a capable free screen-reader was
available. Before NVDA, free screen-readers were very limited and couldn't
work with standard browsers. But those days are long gone.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:41 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser



Hi, Quentin,



The nice thing about the webbie browser is that it takes the extra clutter
from a site that has graphics. I mainly use internet explorer but I have
used firefox or the webbie browser on occasion.



Rosemarie



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin
Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 6:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser



Hi Rosemarie,



You are absolutely correct - and it's not something that's specific to
screen reader users either. I haven't looked at Webbie for awhile, I must
try it again. I didn't mention Edge originally as the question was
specifically related to Windows 7. Our support for Edge has been higher
than other screen readers to date, but Edge itself is not yet at a point
where we'd recommend it generally.



Regards



Quentin.



On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria
<knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin,



I have firefox, the webbie browser, edge and internet explorer. It never
hurts to have more than one browserin case something doesn't work with your
main browser.



Rosemarie





On 11/30/2016 1:50 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Glenn,



The short answer is that it pays to have access to several browsers.
There are sites which, for various reasons, just work better in one browser
over others. NVDA works in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer. I had an
example just before where a particular site / aria element worked better
with NVDA in Chrome than Firefox.



On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:18 AM, <glenn.bradford@...> wrote:

Hello - Is Firefox the recommended browser in for NVDA in Windows 7?
Wondering if IE11 is considered a viable option as I am testing
accessibility for a number of sites. Per the SSB Bart site "The second most
widely used screen reader, NVDA, is hard coded to work best in Firefox. This
includes ARIA support." Is that still an accurate statement?


SSB Bart article is at
http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/how-browsers-interact-with-screen-readers-and-where-aria-fits-in-the-mix/





--

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Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/



Ph +61 7 3149 3306

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess









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Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/



Ph +61 7 3149 3306

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess


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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: NVDA 2016.4rc1 released

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Hi Quentin,
 
I am having a real problem trying to download rc1.  The download link isn’t working.  Thanks for any help.
 
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 2:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released
 
Hi all,

NVDA 2016.4rc1 has just been released for testing. This is a release
candidate, which means that unless any critical issues are found, this
will be identical to the final 2016.4 release.

See this blog post for what's new and a download link:
http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2016-4rc1-released/
 
Regards
 
Quentin.
 
--
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Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess


NVDA 2016.4rc1 released

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi all,

NVDA 2016.4rc1 has just been released for testing. This is a release
candidate, which means that unless any critical issues are found, this
will be identical to the final 2016.4 release.

See this blog post for what's new and a download link:
http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2016-4rc1-released/

Regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: audio ducking not working with speech player and espeek

Quentin Christensen
 

Where you using a portable version of the snapshot?  Audio ducking doesn't work in the portable version, only when you install NVDA to the computer.

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Bobby <bvinton@...> wrote:
Well I am using 2016.3.  I got it to work after all.  Before I was using the latest snap shot of nvda and I went back to stable and the audio ducking started to work again.  Please make ure you get a ticket for this problem before 2016.4 comes out.

On 12/1/2016 11:44 PM, Andre Fisher wrote:
It works just fine here. Which version of speechplayer are you
currently using? Which version of NVDA?

On 12/1/16, Bobby <bvinton@...> wrote:
Hay i am using the latest nvda and I went back to an older version and
saw tht audio ducking won't work with speech player at all. pleese help
so I got audio ducking to work with sapi 5 and e speek. Can you pleese
let me know what sympths audio ducking will work with.  Talk to you all
soon














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Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: audio ducking not working with speech player and espeek

Bobby <bvinton@...>
 

Well I am using 2016.3. I got it to work after all. Before I was using the latest snap shot of nvda and I went back to stable and the audio ducking started to work again. Please make ure you get a ticket for this problem before 2016.4 comes out.

On 12/1/2016 11:44 PM, Andre Fisher wrote:
It works just fine here. Which version of speechplayer are you
currently using? Which version of NVDA?

On 12/1/16, Bobby <bvinton@...> wrote:
Hay i am using the latest nvda and I went back to an older version and
saw tht audio ducking won't work with speech player at all. pleese help
so I got audio ducking to work with sapi 5 and e speek. Can you pleese
let me know what sympths audio ducking will work with. Talk to you all
soon




Re: audio ducking not working with speech player and espeek

Andre Fisher
 

It works just fine here. Which version of speechplayer are you
currently using? Which version of NVDA?

On 12/1/16, Bobby <bvinton@...> wrote:
Hay i am using the latest nvda and I went back to an older version and
saw tht audio ducking won't work with speech player at all. pleese help
so I got audio ducking to work with sapi 5 and e speek. Can you pleese
let me know what sympths audio ducking will work with. Talk to you all
soon




audio ducking not working with speech player and espeek

Bobby <bvinton@...>
 

Hay i am using the latest nvda and I went back to an older version and saw tht audio ducking won't work with speech player at all. pleese help so I got audio ducking to work with sapi 5 and e speek. Can you pleese let me know what sympths audio ducking will work with. Talk to you all soon


Re: NVDA preferred browser

Gene
 

Those sorts of things take very little time to listen to when on web pages and they are often missed when effective browsing techniques are used. 
 
gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

Yes.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

I'm not sure what you are referring to.  Do you mean something that might say something with an extension such as gif?  If so, such items are negligible..

 

Gene

----- Original Messagge -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

I'm talking about images that you see on some web pages. I don't use webbie that much because I do know how to navigate most web pages.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

If you know how to navigate web pages effectively, what you are discussing isn't a problem.  I don't know what you are referring to.  You see links and various fields in Webbie as you do in other browsers.  I don't know how Webbie describes image links but image links often contain useful information even if they aren't labeled properly.  I don't know what you are describing as graphical.  Aside from image links and at times, this or that image I may see on screen, I do not see graphical clutter. 

 

Further discussion might allow us to know what you are describing but at present, I don't know.

 

I don't know what the newer version of Webbie is like.  The old version used a very different interface than is now standard in screen-readers when used with browsers. 

 

Webbie used to have a useful place before a capable free screen-reader was available.  Before NVDA, free screen-readers were very limited and couldn't work with standard browsers.  But those days are long gone. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:41 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

Hi, Quentin,

 

The nice thing about the webbie browser is that it takes the extra clutter from a site that has graphics. I mainly use internet explorer but I have used firefox or the webbie browser on occasion.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 6:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

Hi Rosemarie,

 

You are absolutely correct - and it's not something that's specific to screen reader users either.  I haven't looked at Webbie for awhile, I must try it again.  I didn't mention Edge originally as the question was specifically related to Windows 7.  Our support for Edge has been higher than other screen readers to date, but Edge itself is not yet at a point where we'd recommend it generally.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

 

I have firefox, the webbie browser, edge and internet explorer. It never hurts to have more than one browserin case something doesn't work with your main browser.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

On 11/30/2016 1:50 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Glenn,

 

The short answer is that it pays to have access to several browsers.  There are sites which, for various reasons, just work better in one browser over others.  NVDA works in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer.  I had an example just before where a particular site / aria element worked better with NVDA in Chrome than Firefox.  

 

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:18 AM, <glenn.bradford@...> wrote:

Hello - Is Firefox the recommended browser in for NVDA in Windows 7? Wondering if IE11 is considered a viable option as I am testing accessibility for a number of sites. Per the SSB Bart site "The second most widely used screen reader, NVDA, is hard coded to work best in Firefox. This includes ARIA support." Is that still an accurate statement?


SSB Bart article is at http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/how-browsers-interact-with-screen-readers-and-where-aria-fits-in-the-mix/

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA preferred browser

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Yes.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

I'm not sure what you are referring to.  Do you mean something that might say something with an extension such as gif?  If so, such items are negligible..

 

Gene

----- Original Messagge -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

I'm talking about images that you see on some web pages. I don't use webbie that much because I do know how to navigate most web pages.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

If you know how to navigate web pages effectively, what you are discussing isn't a problem.  I don't know what you are referring to.  You see links and various fields in Webbie as you do in other browsers.  I don't know how Webbie describes image links but image links often contain useful information even if they aren't labeled properly.  I don't know what you are describing as graphical.  Aside from image links and at times, this or that image I may see on screen, I do not see graphical clutter. 

 

Further discussion might allow us to know what you are describing but at present, I don't know.

 

I don't know what the newer version of Webbie is like.  The old version used a very different interface than is now standard in screen-readers when used with browsers. 

 

Webbie used to have a useful place before a capable free screen-reader was available.  Before NVDA, free screen-readers were very limited and couldn't work with standard browsers.  But those days are long gone. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:41 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

Hi, Quentin,

 

The nice thing about the webbie browser is that it takes the extra clutter from a site that has graphics. I mainly use internet explorer but I have used firefox or the webbie browser on occasion.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 6:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

Hi Rosemarie,

 

You are absolutely correct - and it's not something that's specific to screen reader users either.  I haven't looked at Webbie for awhile, I must try it again.  I didn't mention Edge originally as the question was specifically related to Windows 7.  Our support for Edge has been higher than other screen readers to date, but Edge itself is not yet at a point where we'd recommend it generally.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

 

I have firefox, the webbie browser, edge and internet explorer. It never hurts to have more than one browserin case something doesn't work with your main browser.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

On 11/30/2016 1:50 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Glenn,

 

The short answer is that it pays to have access to several browsers.  There are sites which, for various reasons, just work better in one browser over others.  NVDA works in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer.  I had an example just before where a particular site / aria element worked better with NVDA in Chrome than Firefox.  

 

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:18 AM, <glenn.bradford@...> wrote:

Hello - Is Firefox the recommended browser in for NVDA in Windows 7? Wondering if IE11 is considered a viable option as I am testing accessibility for a number of sites. Per the SSB Bart site "The second most widely used screen reader, NVDA, is hard coded to work best in Firefox. This includes ARIA support." Is that still an accurate statement?


SSB Bart article is at http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/how-browsers-interact-with-screen-readers-and-where-aria-fits-in-the-mix/

 

 

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Re: NVDA & Microsoft Word Forms #msftaccessibility

 

Quentin,

         Thanks.  I got that far, but it's not what I'm remembering.  When you do the CTRL+A followed by a CTRL+SHIFT+F9 it does allow me to edit anywhere in the document but the fields themselves remain.  I know that there was a way to turn all fields to "regular text" for lack of another term, and it even did something similar for the checkboxes.

         This is not critical, I'm just annoyed that I did not take the notes that I thought I did.  I'm sure I'll find them somewhere about 25 seconds after sending this!
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Re: NVDA & Microsoft Word Forms #msftaccessibility

Quentin Christensen
 

I can get you halfway there:

alt+r, zr, pe, enter, shift+F6 to turn off protection
(Review ribbon, then protect, then restrict editing, enter to turn off enforcing protection, then shift+f6 to go from the task pane back to the document).

To unlink all the fields and turn them back into text:

1. Press Control+a to select all
2. Press Control+shift+f9 to unlink fields.

The only caveat is that it doesn't do anything with the checkboxes.  NVDA still reads the correct state of the checkbox.  Interestingly, I noticed if I copied the text (at any point) to Notepad, it turned each checkbox into 0 if it wasn't checked and 1 if it was.  I must confess I've never tried that before.




On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Quentin,

         Thanks for checking and confirming the behavior when the form document template is not in protected mode (and by that I presume you mean protected mode in the trust center, which happens these days to anything you download from the internet or an e-mail attachment unless you turn protected mode off in the trust center).

         I have been using forms like this with blind and visually impaired clients for quite a while now.  They are the perfect solution to, well, the electronic equivalent of paper forms where the end user, sighted or not sighted, is only supposed to fill in the blanks.  NVDA and JAWS both read my status bar and help text exactly as I'd expect except for this first field (and I haven't tried it with JAWS 18 yet).

         They're also quite handy to use for documents that have a huge pre-formatted component but that you might want to tweak certain aspects of the pre-formatted part after filling in what are "set fields."  One can completely unprotect a MS-Word form, turning it into a plain word document, but I cannot for the life of me find the appropriate sequence of keyboard commands to do so.
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Re: NVDA & Microsoft Word Forms #msftaccessibility

 

Quentin,

         Thanks for checking and confirming the behavior when the form document template is not in protected mode (and by that I presume you mean protected mode in the trust center, which happens these days to anything you download from the internet or an e-mail attachment unless you turn protected mode off in the trust center).

         I have been using forms like this with blind and visually impaired clients for quite a while now.  They are the perfect solution to, well, the electronic equivalent of paper forms where the end user, sighted or not sighted, is only supposed to fill in the blanks.  NVDA and JAWS both read my status bar and help text exactly as I'd expect except for this first field (and I haven't tried it with JAWS 18 yet).

         They're also quite handy to use for documents that have a huge pre-formatted component but that you might want to tweak certain aspects of the pre-formatted part after filling in what are "set fields."  One can completely unprotect a MS-Word form, turning it into a plain word document, but I cannot for the life of me find the appropriate sequence of keyboard commands to do so.
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Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    



Re: Possibility of supporting Microsoft Equation?

David Moore
 

Thanks a lot.

I will give that a try!

I have heard about Math player, but I have not experimented with it yet.

David Moore

 

 

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From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 6:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Possibility of supporting Microsoft Equation?

 

Hi David,

 

It does work in MathType / MathPlayer from Design Science: http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/

 

MathPlayer / MathType work in Word, but using their own editor, not the original Microsoft Word editor.

 

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 10:22 AM, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:

Yes,

Thank you for bringing this up. I tutor some math, and I need to read math equations and even calculus a lot. It would be like a dream come true if NVDA could read any math in any editor or anywhere.

David Moore

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From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 5:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Possibility of supporting Microsoft Equation?

 

Ideally, we'd like to be able to support this.  I know we've run into problems attempting to read math equations in Word.  For now, only equations using MathType / MathPlayer by Design Science are readable.

 

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:

Hi list,

I'm really glad that NVDA has finally supported reading math symbols, namely math symbols created using MathType. But I wonder, will NVDA be able to natively read and edit equations and symbols created from Microsoft Equation Editor in future releases? That would be nice if NVDA could support reading math out of the box, without having to install any additional software.



 

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Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
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