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ncda 2016.1:

Kenny Peyattt jr.
 

Hi will nvda 2016.2.1 work with the anaversary update?

Kenny Peyatt jr.

 

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mistydbradley@...
 

OT: Progressive sound add-on/extension for firefox

Jacob Kruger
 

Sorry, just reinstalled latest version of firefox, to give it another go, and can't remember what the name was for the extension that offers a form of progress bar beeps for page loading?


TIA


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
Re: Some issues coming between Google Chrome and NVDA

Gene
 

I believe that Chrome usually fixes things as well.  But my impression is that problems get to production versions that should have been corrected during beta testing more often and that are more serious than Firefox problems that may crop up from time to time.  Proper testing and correction would get rid of such problems long before the production versions are released.  What I'm saying about Firefox versus Chrome is an impression.  it may be wrong and others may wish to comment.  But that's my impression from trying both programs as updated for many months. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some issues coming between Google Chrome and NVDA

One of the main reasons I'm not using anything else but firefox at the
moment is all this now it workds now it won't stuff. They obviously do not
test their new versions very well from what i can tell. At least firefox do
fix things like they fixed the navigation sounds not working in 47, and its
fine in the later versions, aand lists work properly in web pages as well.

 Btrian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some issues coming between Google Chrome and NVDA


> Not sure if this message is going to make it through to list, since seem
> to have mail server issues, but, also, just make sure you try using
> different review modes - document review mode should be default when
> browsing web contents, but, also try object review and screen review
> mode - or at least, just make sure you have tried the navigation keys
> while in document review mode, and while you are focused on some element
> which is specifically in the document contents - my one, ongoing issue
> with chrome is just getting NVDA to focus on webpage contents, at times,
> but, it works fine after figure out a work-around for that each time.
>
>
> Stay well
>
>
> Jacob Kruger
> Blind Biker
> Skype: BlindZA
> "Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
>
> On 2016-08-11 2:13 PM, Gene wrote:
>> I'd have to update my Chrome and find out.  I almost never use
>> Chrome.  Since I have seen not one complaint other than yours, and
>> since many list members use Chrome, at this time, I suspect that you
>> are having problems that others, at least in general, aren't having.
>> I may experiment with Chrome later today, depending on what others say.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Simone Dal Maso <mailto:simone.dalmaso@...>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 11, 2016 4:11 AM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Some issues coming between Google Chrome and NVDA
>>
>> Il 11/08/2016 10:43, Gene ha scritto:
>> > Failure of Chrome to remain accessible with two Google apps does not
>> > render it unsupported by NVDA.
>>
>> Gene, if you read my ticket, you will discover that Chrome is not able
>> to read headings, some links, and there are xml parsing error and really
>> ttones of errors.
>> What I'd like to know is if I am the only one that can't use Chrome.
>> If you open www.yahoo.it <http://www.yahoo.it> with chrome, can you
>> surf it?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Twitter any help or addons?

Roger Stewart
 

Only problem is the Qube hasn't been supported for a long time now. I've removed it here but keep using TW Blue.

Roger

On 8/11/2016 12:37 PM, Olcay AŞCI wrote:
Hi
the qube Twitter client coded in Python. I think him a Twitter client with RSS reader plugin can be written to a logic nvda like.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 8:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Twitter any help or addons?

Nope but you can use an number of 3rd party clients I.E. TW Blue, Chicken Nugget and others I've missed.

On 8/11/2016 3:57 AM, John from Woodside Apps wrote:
Hello
I use twitter very rarely and had to use it yesterday and found it
almost impossible.
Any tips,add-ons?

Latest Stable NVDA
Win 7 pro 64bit
Firefox latest version.
Re: Twitter any help or addons?

Olcay AŞCI
 

Hi
the qube Twitter client coded in Python. I think him a Twitter client with RSS reader plugin can be written to a logic nvda like.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 8:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Twitter any help or addons?

Nope but you can use an number of 3rd party clients I.E. TW Blue, Chicken Nugget and others I've missed.

On 8/11/2016 3:57 AM, John from Woodside Apps wrote:
Hello
I use twitter very rarely and had to use it yesterday and found it
almost impossible.
Any tips,add-ons?

Latest Stable NVDA
Win 7 pro 64bit
Firefox latest version.
Re: Twitter any help or addons?

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Nope but you can use an number of 3rd party clients I.E. TW Blue, Chicken Nugget and others I've missed.

On 8/11/2016 3:57 AM, John from Woodside Apps wrote:
Hello
I use twitter very rarely and had to use it yesterday
and found it almost impossible.
Any tips,add-ons?

Latest Stable NVDA
Win 7 pro 64bit
Firefox latest version.
Re: Some issues coming between Google Chrome and NVDA

Dejan Ristic
 

Set Facebook aside. Test the language lists in Google Translate by Chrome, and compare their pronounciation with the one tested by Mozilla Firefox. I hope that you will face the difference as to the pronounciation of the language lists. Let me know what you have faced.


On 8/11/2016 6:58 PM, Dejan Ristic wrote:

I also use Chrome. The only thing is that I have been experiencing the mentioned problems only in these two instances. Note that I mentioned that the Opera browser behaved in the same way. I also tested Avast! Safe Zone Browser, and it also did behave in the same way. Mozilla firefox and Internet explorer are good to use in these cases, but they slow down. That's why I like Chrome and Opera so much, and that's why I use them as much as the accessibility features allow me to do so.


On 8/11/2016 2:13 PM, Gene wrote:
I'd have to update my Chrome and find out.  I almost never use Chrome.  Since I have seen not one complaint other than yours, and since many list members use Chrome, at this time, I suspect that you are having problems that others, at least in general, aren't having.  I may experiment with Chrome later today, depending on what others say. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some issues coming between Google Chrome and NVDA

Il 11/08/2016 10:43, Gene ha scritto:
> Failure of Chrome to remain accessible with two Google apps does not
> render it unsupported by NVDA.

Gene, if you read my ticket, you will discover that Chrome is not able
to read headings, some links, and there are xml parsing error and really
ttones of errors.
What I'd like to know is if I am the only one that can't use Chrome.
If you open www.yahoo.it with chrome, can you surf it?
Re: Some issues coming between Google Chrome and NVDA

Dejan Ristic
 

I do it, friend, but how to handle both the source and target list of the languages in Google Translate by using Chrome when they are not pronounced? I do not care for Facebook when I translate, but I am crestfallen when I experience what I did not experience before as to Chrome and Google Translate. QTranslate is good, but not so good as Google Translate when it comes down to examples and terms explained

when I do translations.
On 8/11/2016 2:44 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Not sure if this message is going to make it through to list, since seem to have mail server issues, but, also, just make sure you try using different review modes - document review mode should be default when browsing web contents, but, also try object review and screen review mode - or at least, just make sure you have tried the navigation keys while in document review mode, and while you are focused on some element which is specifically in the document contents - my one, ongoing issue with chrome is just getting NVDA to focus on webpage contents, at times, but, it works fine after figure out a work-around for that each time.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-08-11 2:13 PM, Gene wrote:
I'd have to update my Chrome and find out.  I almost never use Chrome.  Since I have seen not one complaint other than yours, and since many list members use Chrome, at this time, I suspect that you are having problems that others, at least in general, aren't having.  I may experiment with Chrome later today, depending on what others say. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some issues coming between Google Chrome and NVDA

Il 11/08/2016 10:43, Gene ha scritto:
> Failure of Chrome to remain accessible with two Google apps does not
> render it unsupported by NVDA.

Gene, if you read my ticket, you will discover that Chrome is not able
to read headings, some links, and there are xml parsing error and really
ttones of errors.
What I'd like to know is if I am the only one that can't use Chrome.
If you open www.yahoo.it with chrome, can you surf it?
Re: Some issues coming between Google Chrome and NVDA

Dejan Ristic
 

I also use Chrome. The only thing is that I have been experiencing the mentioned problems only in these two instances. Note that I mentioned that the Opera browser behaved in the same way. I also tested Avast! Safe Zone Browser, and it also did behave in the same way. Mozilla firefox and Internet explorer are good to use in these cases, but they slow down. That's why I like Chrome and Opera so much, and that's why I use them as much as the accessibility features allow me to do so.


On 8/11/2016 2:13 PM, Gene wrote:

I'd have to update my Chrome and find out.  I almost never use Chrome.  Since I have seen not one complaint other than yours, and since many list members use Chrome, at this time, I suspect that you are having problems that others, at least in general, aren't having.  I may experiment with Chrome later today, depending on what others say. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some issues coming between Google Chrome and NVDA

Il 11/08/2016 10:43, Gene ha scritto:
> Failure of Chrome to remain accessible with two Google apps does not
> render it unsupported by NVDA.

Gene, if you read my ticket, you will discover that Chrome is not able
to read headings, some links, and there are xml parsing error and really
ttones of errors.
What I'd like to know is if I am the only one that can't use Chrome.
If you open www.yahoo.it with chrome, can you surf it?
Re: Some issues coming between Google Chrome and NVDA

Brian's Mail list account
 

One of the main reasons I'm not using anything else but firefox at the moment is all this now it workds now it won't stuff. They obviously do not test their new versions very well from what i can tell. At least firefox do fix things like they fixed the navigation sounds not working in 47, and its fine in the later versions, aand lists work properly in web pages as well.

Btrian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some issues coming between Google Chrome and NVDA


Not sure if this message is going to make it through to list, since seem
to have mail server issues, but, also, just make sure you try using
different review modes - document review mode should be default when
browsing web contents, but, also try object review and screen review
mode - or at least, just make sure you have tried the navigation keys
while in document review mode, and while you are focused on some element
which is specifically in the document contents - my one, ongoing issue
with chrome is just getting NVDA to focus on webpage contents, at times,
but, it works fine after figure out a work-around for that each time.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-11 2:13 PM, Gene wrote:
I'd have to update my Chrome and find out. I almost never use
Chrome. Since I have seen not one complaint other than yours, and
since many list members use Chrome, at this time, I suspect that you
are having problems that others, at least in general, aren't having.
I may experiment with Chrome later today, depending on what others say.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Simone Dal Maso <mailto:simone.dalmaso@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 11, 2016 4:11 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Some issues coming between Google Chrome and NVDA

Il 11/08/2016 10:43, Gene ha scritto:
Failure of Chrome to remain accessible with two Google apps does not
render it unsupported by NVDA.
Gene, if you read my ticket, you will discover that Chrome is not able
to read headings, some links, and there are xml parsing error and really
ttones of errors.
What I'd like to know is if I am the only one that can't use Chrome.
If you open www.yahoo.it <http://www.yahoo.it> with chrome, can you
surf it?
Re: Some issues coming between Google Chrome and NVDA

Jacob Kruger
 

Not sure if this message is going to make it through to list, since seem to have mail server issues, but, also, just make sure you try using different review modes - document review mode should be default when browsing web contents, but, also try object review and screen review mode - or at least, just make sure you have tried the navigation keys while in document review mode, and while you are focused on some element which is specifically in the document contents - my one, ongoing issue with chrome is just getting NVDA to focus on webpage contents, at times, but, it works fine after figure out a work-around for that each time.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-08-11 2:13 PM, Gene wrote:

I'd have to update my Chrome and find out.  I almost never use Chrome.  Since I have seen not one complaint other than yours, and since many list members use Chrome, at this time, I suspect that you are having problems that others, at least in general, aren't having.  I may experiment with Chrome later today, depending on what others say. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some issues coming between Google Chrome and NVDA

Il 11/08/2016 10:43, Gene ha scritto:
> Failure of Chrome to remain accessible with two Google apps does not
> render it unsupported by NVDA.

Gene, if you read my ticket, you will discover that Chrome is not able
to read headings, some links, and there are xml parsing error and really
ttones of errors.
What I'd like to know is if I am the only one that can't use Chrome.
If you open www.yahoo.it with chrome, can you surf it?
Re: Some issues coming between Google Chrome and NVDA

mk360
 

I've many problems too, but I use next for NVDA. the thing is Chrome sometimes works fine, sometimes it doesn't. So, I think one thing is supported, other thing is partially supported or supported when Chromium team doesn't change things.

Note that the evaluations of how accessible is the product depends of the user... I use chrome because my chromecast need it and well, because I know many programs that are less usable than chrome, but I can't say it works correctly, only that it is usable.

Is something similar to the accessibility of windows 10 aniversary... the insiders are happy with the accessibility provided, I think it works fine, but many end users think that some things don't work.


Regards,

mk.


El 11-08-2016 a las 8:13, Gene escribió:

I'd have to update my Chrome and find out.  I almost never use Chrome.  Since I have seen not one complaint other than yours, and since many list members use Chrome, at this time, I suspect that you are having problems that others, at least in general, aren't having.  I may experiment with Chrome later today, depending on what others say. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some issues coming between Google Chrome and NVDA

Il 11/08/2016 10:43, Gene ha scritto:
> Failure of Chrome to remain accessible with two Google apps does not
> render it unsupported by NVDA.

Gene, if you read my ticket, you will discover that Chrome is not able
to read headings, some links, and there are xml parsing error and really
ttones of errors.
What I'd like to know is if I am the only one that can't use Chrome.
If you open www.yahoo.it with chrome, can you surf it?
Re: Some issues coming between Google Chrome and NVDA

Gene
 

I'd have to update my Chrome and find out.  I almost never use Chrome.  Since I have seen not one complaint other than yours, and since many list members use Chrome, at this time, I suspect that you are having problems that others, at least in general, aren't having.  I may experiment with Chrome later today, depending on what others say. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some issues coming between Google Chrome and NVDA

Il 11/08/2016 10:43, Gene ha scritto:
> Failure of Chrome to remain accessible with two Google apps does not
> render it unsupported by NVDA.

Gene, if you read my ticket, you will discover that Chrome is not able
to read headings, some links, and there are xml parsing error and really
ttones of errors.
What I'd like to know is if I am the only one that can't use Chrome.
If you open www.yahoo.it with chrome, can you surf it?
Re: Some issues coming between Google Chrome and NVDA

Dejan Ristic
 

Thank you for doing so.


But, let's consider that these issues did not exist before. Do you agree with the fact that some major changes in Chrome can be done, so that the relation between NVDA and Chrome may be improved as far as the instance of accessibility is concerned?

On 8/11/2016 10:25 AM, Simone Dal Maso wrote:
Google Chrome on my opinion should be removed from supported NVDA browser.
It is absolutely not usable, at least on my three pc.
I opened a ticket about this:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6249

Il 10/08/2016 21:02, Dejan Ristic ha scritto:
Both the previous and the current version of Chrome have decreased some
accessibility features as far as Facebook and Google Translate are
concerned.


When I type in the search field what I wish to find on Facebook, I am no
longer able to hear the list of the items found when I use the up and
down arrows to go through them after I have typed my search term. NVDA
only pronounces my search term when I up and down, but does not show the
list of the items found as it did before. Compare Mozilla Firefox with
Chrome, and all will be clear. The same goes for the Opera browser.


As for Google Translate, it is impossible for me to choose between the
list of the source and target languages. The only NVDA-output
pronounciation is: "list submenu expanded" and "list submenu collapsed".
The same goes for the Opera browser.

When I handle it by Mozilla Firefox, I succeed in choosing between the
desired source and target languages. It means that both lists are spoken
correctly.


I use the latest version of NVDA, and the latest version of both Chrome
and Opera.


My operating system is: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64bit.


Allow me to ask you whether you shake hands with the same issues?


Thankful in advance,

Dejan
Re: Some issues coming between Google Chrome and NVDA

Simone Dal Maso
 

Il 11/08/2016 11:27, Jacob Kruger ha scritto:
Quick test, and it worked fine here with chrome 52 and latest NVDA
master snapshot?
Oh... thank you! So this is only a problem of mine. Thank you very much, I will try to reinstall chrome.
Re: Some issues coming between Google Chrome and NVDA

Jacob Kruger
 

Quick test, and it worked fine here with chrome 52 and latest NVDA master snapshot?

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-11 11:11 AM, Simone Dal Maso wrote:
Il 11/08/2016 10:43, Gene ha scritto:
Failure of Chrome to remain accessible with two Google apps does not
render it unsupported by NVDA.
Gene, if you read my ticket, you will discover that Chrome is not able to read headings, some links, and there are xml parsing error and really ttones of errors.
What I'd like to know is if I am the only one that can't use Chrome.
If you open www.yahoo.it with chrome, can you surf it?
Re: Some issues coming between Google Chrome and NVDA

Simone Dal Maso
 

Il 11/08/2016 10:43, Gene ha scritto:
Failure of Chrome to remain accessible with two Google apps does not
render it unsupported by NVDA.
Gene, if you read my ticket, you will discover that Chrome is not able to read headings, some links, and there are xml parsing error and really ttones of errors.
What I'd like to know is if I am the only one that can't use Chrome.
If you open www.yahoo.it with chrome, can you surf it?
Re: Some issues coming between Google Chrome and NVDA

Gene
 

Failure of Chrome to remain accessible with two Google apps does not render it unsupported by NVDA.  This may be more of Googles routine breaking of things.  They seem to break something about every six months in production versions.  Here we are, somewhere between four and six months since the last thing that was broken. 
 
This routine breaking of things and not correcting the problem or problems until after they reach production versions is hardly a demonstration of a proper commitment.  That's one reason I don't use Chrome as my main browser.  I've seen too many completely unnecessary problems in production versions over time.  That the problems are usually corrected doesn't mitigate the fact that they reach production versions. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 3:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some issues coming between Google Chrome and NVDA

Google Chrome on my opinion should be removed from supported NVDA browser.
It is absolutely not usable, at least on my three pc.
I opened a ticket about this:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6249

Il 10/08/2016 21:02, Dejan Ristic ha scritto:
> Both the previous and the current version of Chrome have decreased some
> accessibility features as far as Facebook and Google Translate are
> concerned.
>
>
> When I type in the search field what I wish to find on Facebook, I am no
> longer able to hear the list of the items found when I use the up and
> down arrows to go through them after I have typed my search term. NVDA
> only pronounces my search term when I up and down, but does not show the
> list of the items found as it did before. Compare Mozilla Firefox with
> Chrome, and all will be clear. The same goes for the Opera browser.
>
>
> As for Google Translate, it is impossible for me to choose between the
> list of the source and target languages. The only NVDA-output
> pronounciation is: "list submenu expanded" and "list submenu collapsed".
> The same goes for the Opera browser.
>
> When I handle it by Mozilla Firefox, I succeed in choosing between the
> desired source and target languages. It means that both lists are spoken
> correctly.
>
>
> I use the latest version of NVDA, and the latest version of both Chrome
> and Opera.
>
>
> My operating system is: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64bit.
>
>
> Allow me to ask you whether you shake hands with the same issues?
>
>
> Thankful in advance,
>
> Dejan
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Some issues coming between Google Chrome and NVDA

Simone Dal Maso
 

Google Chrome on my opinion should be removed from supported NVDA browser.
It is absolutely not usable, at least on my three pc.
I opened a ticket about this:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6249

Il 10/08/2016 21:02, Dejan Ristic ha scritto:
Both the previous and the current version of Chrome have decreased some
accessibility features as far as Facebook and Google Translate are
concerned.


When I type in the search field what I wish to find on Facebook, I am no
longer able to hear the list of the items found when I use the up and
down arrows to go through them after I have typed my search term. NVDA
only pronounces my search term when I up and down, but does not show the
list of the items found as it did before. Compare Mozilla Firefox with
Chrome, and all will be clear. The same goes for the Opera browser.


As for Google Translate, it is impossible for me to choose between the
list of the source and target languages. The only NVDA-output
pronounciation is: "list submenu expanded" and "list submenu collapsed".
The same goes for the Opera browser.

When I handle it by Mozilla Firefox, I succeed in choosing between the
desired source and target languages. It means that both lists are spoken
correctly.


I use the latest version of NVDA, and the latest version of both Chrome
and Opera.


My operating system is: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64bit.


Allow me to ask you whether you shake hands with the same issues?


Thankful in advance,

Dejan
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