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Weather_Plus8.8 update available

Adriano Barbieri
 

Hi to all,

In secure screens, WP with this version will not allow you to open file dialogs of any kind, that is, it will not be possible to import or exxport the list of cities, install sound effects, or updates.
https://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus8.8.nvda-addon


Regards

Adriano


Re: Addon Updater.

 

P.S.  If you are using preview versions of the add-ons, and don't want add-on updater to ever go "backwards" to the most recent production version, then consider putting in an issue on GitHub for Add-On Updater asking for a change, whether via a setting telling it to leave previews alone, or some other way to keep preview versions if their numbers are higher (more recent) than the production ones.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: Addon Updater.

 

What versions of these add-ons show as installed in Add-Ons Manager?  You need to report that here.  Even in Italian I know what the text of that message states, and the 4 add-ons are completely clear, as are the version numbers proposed to update to.

I have never, once, seen Add-On Manager pick an older version than the one installed unless one is using a alpha/beta version of an add-on.  It checks what you have against the repository of the latest released versions and if the version you have is lower it says an add-on update is available.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: Addon Updater.

Gabriele Battaglia
 

Reply to Robert Mendoza's message, wrote on 08/03/2022 at 14:48:

Hello Robert.

But, if I accept the process, my addons will go backward at their preview versions.

What addon updater proposes to me are all older version than I already have installed.

Gabe.


Re: Addon Updater.

Robert Mendoza
 

Hi, Gabe.


You need to update the mentioned add-on in order to get the newer version from your system. Just install it then restart the NVDA, voila!

On 3/8/2022 9:13 PM, Gabriele Battaglia via groups.io wrote:
Hi All.

My apologize in advance if I'm not giving all the needed information to understand my scenario.

Please ask me whatever is missing and I'll do my best to complete the paint.


NVDA 2021.3.3, Windows 11, last stable, 64-Bits. Display Braille MDV Lilly (USB).


I don't know how to check the NVDA Addon Updater version, but I grabbed it from a link sent from Joseph Lee in this list, about 1 mounth ago or so.


The problem is:

everytime NVDA starts, I've got the following pop-up from addon Updater.

Sorry, it is in italian but easy to understand.


***

Aggiornamenti Addon disponibili: 4
Pacchetto Versi... Nuova versione
BrowserNav 2.2 1.15
Console Toolkit 1.2 1.1
Tony's enhancements 1.13 1.10
Windows App Essenti... 22.02.1 22.02

Aggiorna componenti aggiuntivi Chiudi

As you can see, all the 4 addons are older than those installed in my system. So I always reject the update... to hold the newer versions.

Is that the right thing to do?
Do I have to do something different? Is there something wrong with my installations?

Thanks.

Gabe.


Addon Updater.

Gabriele Battaglia
 

Hi All.

My apologize in advance if I'm not giving all the needed information to understand my scenario.

Please ask me whatever is missing and I'll do my best to complete the paint.


NVDA 2021.3.3, Windows 11, last stable, 64-Bits. Display Braille MDV Lilly (USB).


I don't know how to check the NVDA Addon Updater version, but I grabbed it from a link sent from Joseph Lee in this list, about 1 mounth ago or so.


The problem is:

everytime NVDA starts, I've got the following pop-up from addon Updater.

Sorry, it is in italian but easy to understand.


***

Aggiornamenti Addon disponibili: 4
Pacchetto Versi... Nuova versione
BrowserNav 2.2 1.15
Console Toolkit 1.2 1.1
Tony's enhancements 1.13 1.10
Windows App Essenti... 22.02.1 22.02

Aggiorna componenti aggiuntivi Chiudi

As you can see, all the 4 addons are older than those installed in my system. So I always reject the update... to hold the newer versions.

Is that the right thing to do?
Do I have to do something different? Is there something wrong with my installations?

Thanks.

Gabe.

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--... ...-- -.. . .. --.. ....- .- .--. ..- - ..- . .
Sent from TB on Windows 10, Genus Bononiae's computer.


Re: Potential Bug(s) with Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On

Gene
 

It is called Mozilla Apps enhancements and you can get it here:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/mozillaScripts.en.html


Gene

On 3/7/2022 10:09 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
What addon is required for these commands?  They do nothing here with no addon.

Howard

On 3/7/2022 5:07 PM, Gene wrote:

It appears the instructions aren't quite correct or clear.


From my trying commands 1 through six, this appears to be what some of them do with speculation as to control shift 3 and 4.


    Control shift 1 reads the from line.  Control shift 2 reads the to line.

My speculation is that control 3 and 4 read information about other recipients, but just what I am not sure.  Perhaps if there is too much information in the to line for example, one of those commands reads more.  perhaps one reads the cc line.


Whatever the case, control shift 5 and 6 read the subject line and date line and I believe both are correctly documented.


Perhaps the discussion of this attachment will be of benefit to some people.  My impression is that it isn't well known or at least many of its functions aren't.


Gene

On 3/7/2022 4:39 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Well, further experimentation shows that the Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On is working, or at least kinda working as I don't know what CTRL + SHIFT + 3 or 4 are supposed to report and they report nothing for me.

NVDA 2021.3.3
MAE Add-On Version 1.15
Windows 10 Pro Version 21H2, Build 19044.1526
Thunderbird Version 91.6.1

If I have a message open in the message reading window (not using preview/reading pane in main window), here is what happens when I hit CTRL + Shift + the specified number in the list:

 1. From field is read - 5 second delay before reading starts
 2. To field is read - 5 second delay before reading starts
 3. Nothing read
 4. Nothing read
 5. Subject line read - slightly less than 5 second delay before
    reading starts
 6. Message date/time stamp read - slightly less than 5 second delay
    before reading starts


But the big thing I learned is that any of the above work ONLY if the view, headers setting is set to Normal, NOT All.  If it's set to All then MAE is dead silent for each and every one of these command sequences.
--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

/Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
/     ~ Commenter, *Evangelos*, in comments for
/America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities <https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/opinion/spotify-joe-rogan-covid-free-speech.html>/,
/        New York Times/, February 8, 2022




Re: Potential Bug(s) with Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On

Howard Traxler
 

WOW! Brian!  Does that ever make a difference.

Howard

On 3/7/2022 10:19 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 11:09 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:

What addon is required for these commands?

-
Howard,

For the love of heaven, the add-on under discussion is in the title of this topic!

If you don't have it installed, nothing discussed here is applicable.
--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

/Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
/     ~ Commenter, *Evangelos*, in comments for
/America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities <https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/opinion/spotify-joe-rogan-covid-free-speech.html>/,
/        New York Times/, February 8, 2022


Re: Potential Bug(s) with Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On

 

On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 11:26 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
As usual, I just pass over the subject of most messages.  They usually don't mean a thing.
-
I would suggest you not continue this skipping over for this group.  I have been "forcing the issue" of actually descriptive topic titles for several years, and it has paid off.  This group very seldom has subject lines that are generic and serve no descriptive purpose.

The convention here is that your subject line had better let the readership know something important about what the entire topic focuses on.  And on the occasions where that convention is ignored, I make a point of calling it out.

All part of running a group and keeping things useful for all participants.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: Potential Bug(s) with Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On

Howard Traxler
 

Sorry Brian, I totally missed the addon name.  As usual, I just pass over the subject of most messages.  They usually don't mean a thing.  But now that you tell me, I see that it's actually in there.

Howard

On 3/7/2022 10:19 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 11:09 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:

What addon is required for these commands?

-
Howard,

For the love of heaven, the add-on under discussion is in the title of this topic!

If you don't have it installed, nothing discussed here is applicable.
--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

/Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
/     ~ Commenter, *Evangelos*, in comments for
/America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities <https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/opinion/spotify-joe-rogan-covid-free-speech.html>/,
/        New York Times/, February 8, 2022


Re: Potential Bug(s) with Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On

 

On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 11:09 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
What addon is required for these commands?
-
Howard, 

For the love of heaven, the add-on under discussion is in the title of this topic!

If you don't have it installed, nothing discussed here is applicable.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: Potential Bug(s) with Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On

Howard Traxler
 

What addon is required for these commands?  They do nothing here with no addon.

Howard

On 3/7/2022 5:07 PM, Gene wrote:

It appears the instructions aren't quite correct or clear.


From my trying commands 1 through six, this appears to be what some of them do with speculation as to control shift 3 and 4.


    Control shift 1 reads the from line.  Control shift 2 reads the to line.

My speculation is that control 3 and 4 read information about other recipients, but just what I am not sure.  Perhaps if there is too much information in the to line for example, one of those commands reads more.  perhaps one reads the cc line.


Whatever the case, control shift 5 and 6 read the subject line and date line and I believe both are correctly documented.


Perhaps the discussion of this attachment will be of benefit to some people.  My impression is that it isn't well known or at least many of its functions aren't.


Gene

On 3/7/2022 4:39 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Well, further experimentation shows that the Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On is working, or at least kinda working as I don't know what CTRL + SHIFT + 3 or 4 are supposed to report and they report nothing for me.

NVDA 2021.3.3
MAE Add-On Version 1.15
Windows 10 Pro Version 21H2, Build 19044.1526
Thunderbird Version 91.6.1

If I have a message open in the message reading window (not using preview/reading pane in main window), here is what happens when I hit CTRL + Shift + the specified number in the list:

1. From field is read - 5 second delay before reading starts
2. To field is read - 5 second delay before reading starts
3. Nothing read
4. Nothing read
5. Subject line read - slightly less than 5 second delay before
reading starts
6. Message date/time stamp read - slightly less than 5 second delay
before reading starts


But the big thing I learned is that any of the above work ONLY if the view, headers setting is set to Normal, NOT All.  If it's set to All then MAE is dead silent for each and every one of these command sequences.
--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

/Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
/     ~ Commenter, *Evangelos*, in comments for
/America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities <https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/opinion/spotify-joe-rogan-covid-free-speech.html>/,
/        New York Times/, February 8, 2022


Re: Thunderbird And New GMail Settings: What To Expect

Gtt North Bay
 

Hi all,

Yes Brian you are totally correct, I had to add gmail to my laptop using outlook and had to use the two factor atintication in order to add the account even with allow less secure app.

Apparently gmail now is a hit and miss on you getting that but sometime soon everyone will have to use two factor.

 

Thanks,

Brian B.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: March 7, 2022 8:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird And New GMail Settings: What To Expect

 

On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 08:00 PM, Gene wrote:

Are you saying that at some point, application specific passwords won't be supported any longer?

-
Yes.

All verification methods have been doing is getting tighter and tighter.  This is a "loose" method that is virtually certain to be discontinued, the question is, when?

That's the reason for my "kick the can" comment.  When I have an option to get "completely up to date with the latest and greatest" or take an intermediate step, even if the latest and greatest is somewhat more complicated, I'll still take it.  I hate, hate, hate revisiting stuff like this if I can probably avoid it.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: Thunderbird And New GMail Settings: What To Expect

 

On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 08:00 PM, Gene wrote:
Are you saying that at some point, application specific passwords won't be supported any longer?
-
Yes.

All verification methods have been doing is getting tighter and tighter.  This is a "loose" method that is virtually certain to be discontinued, the question is, when?

That's the reason for my "kick the can" comment.  When I have an option to get "completely up to date with the latest and greatest" or take an intermediate step, even if the latest and greatest is somewhat more complicated, I'll still take it.  I hate, hate, hate revisiting stuff like this if I can probably avoid it.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: Thunderbird And New GMail Settings: What To Expect

Gene
 

Are you saying that at some point, application specific passwords won't be supported any longer?


Gene

On 3/7/2022 6:37 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 07:26 PM, Gene wrote:
Or you can use an application specific password. 
-
Not that this is not true, but it absolutely is "kicking the can down the road."  If you've got to make a fix, now, ideally it should be the one that's likely to be the last one needed for the particular situation at hand.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: Thunderbird And New GMail Settings: What To Expect

 

On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 07:26 PM, Gene wrote:
Or you can use an application specific password. 
-
Not that this is not true, but it absolutely is "kicking the can down the road."  If you've got to make a fix, now, ideally it should be the one that's likely to be the last one needed for the particular situation at hand.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: Thunderbird And New GMail Settings: What To Expect

Gene
 

Or you can use an application specific password. 


Gene

/7/2022 6:11 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Directly related to this, and bending the group rules to mention Outlook 2013 since I know that many still use it, if you do, see my post on the Office Accessibility Discussion Group:  Outlook 2013 and Modern Authentication Standards
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: Thunderbird And New GMail Settings: What To Expect

 

Directly related to this, and bending the group rules to mention Outlook 2013 since I know that many still use it, if you do, see my post on the Office Accessibility Discussion Group:  Outlook 2013 and Modern Authentication Standards
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: Potential Bug(s) with Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On

 

On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 06:07 PM, Gene wrote:
It appears the instructions aren't quite correct or clear.
-
As is often the case.  Quite a few add-ons started as projects of personal convenience that end up being widely shared.  Documentation for that sort of add-on can be spotty.  I cannot find anything in the existing documentation that states, explicitly, what CTRL + Shift + one through four are intended to do.  And in the input gestures for the add-on, when Thunderbird is active and you have access to the gestures for it, these four are not assignable nor shown.

There has to be an understanding, and acceptance of the fact, that code developed by professionals for commercial distribution will have different documentation standards than "home grown now handed around" will.

While I love good documentation, and indeed emphasized it when I was a project leader, I love even more that there exist myriad add-ons that perform valuable functions that may require a bit of playing with and figuring out on the part of the end user.

The vetting for inclusion on the Community Add-Ons page has never had an emphasis on documentation and I have often wished it did.  But I'd still rather have the add-ons known to be safety checked but with spotty documentation than not.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 


Re: Potential Bug(s) with Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On

Gene
 

I found a message an acquaintance sent me with a lot of addresses in the address field.  I checked and its fifteen.  My speculation about control shift 3 reading overflow from the to field is wrong.  Control shift 2 tells me the first six addresses and then says 9 more. 

Pressing control shift 3 and control shift 4 says nothing.  Perhaps they announce some of the contents of the cc field and maybe one of them says unknown recipient if the bcc field has information.


Gene

On 3/7/2022 5:07 PM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

It appears the instructions aren't quite correct or clear.


From my trying commands 1 through six, this appears to be what some of them do with speculation as to control shift 3 and 4. 


    Control shift 1 reads the from line.  Control shift 2 reads the to line. 

My speculation is that control 3 and 4 read information about other recipients, but just what I am not sure.  Perhaps if there is too much information in the to line for example, one of those commands reads more.  perhaps one reads the cc line. 


Whatever the case, control shift 5 and 6 read the subject line and date line and I believe both are correctly documented.


Perhaps the discussion of this attachment will be of benefit to some people.  My impression is that it isn't well known or at least many of its functions aren't.


Gene

On 3/7/2022 4:39 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Well, further experimentation shows that the Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On is working, or at least kinda working as I don't know what CTRL + SHIFT + 3 or 4 are supposed to report and they report nothing for me.

NVDA 2021.3.3   
MAE Add-On Version 1.15
Windows 10 Pro Version 21H2, Build 19044.1526
Thunderbird Version 91.6.1

If I have a message open in the message reading window (not using preview/reading pane in main window), here is what happens when I hit CTRL + Shift + the specified number in the list:
  1. From field is read - 5 second delay before reading starts
  2. To field is read - 5 second delay before reading starts
  3. Nothing read
  4. Nothing read
  5. Subject line read - slightly less than 5 second delay before reading starts
  6. Message date/time stamp read - slightly less than 5 second delay before reading starts

But the big thing I learned is that any of the above work ONLY if the view, headers setting is set to Normal, NOT All.  If it's set to All then MAE is dead silent for each and every one of these command sequences.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022